Masked Builder Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 Because he's dug himself into such a deep hole that some of us (or at least I) don't see much way for him to argue himself out of this one. I quite agree with you, but he should still try while he's alive.
AwesomeStar Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 Excuse me if I'm wrong, but this looks allot like you're buddying up to Scubba. I wasn't. I genuinely couldn't make sense of what he said. It was a bit convoluted. It would make plenty of sense if we were fingering the right person for the scum to want us all to slow down and look the other way. Yeah, but that would then draw people's attention to the person who wanted to slow people down, which it has. It would basically be scum-suicide. A townie would risk it, however, in order to help ensure mistakes are avoided.
KotZ Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 Alright, here I go, the accusations flying around are not helping, aside from getting reactions, but how often does that help? Town may over react to being accused, the idea that they are scum horrifying them (as it does in my case). A scum may under react, but this is all generalizations. Exceptions to rules, keep in mind. Do I like the voting we have to do today? Not really, partly because it looks like I'm going to that vote, and also because, how much can it prove 90% of the time? Should we sit on our bums and do nothing? Of course not, but I'd rather not vote (or vote to stop a majority forming) today. Look at this math I've concluded: If we vote off an ally tonight, we're down one town. Then there is the fact that Purists could kill a townie during the night, then there's the possibility of a vig that could mistakenly get an innocent. If we don't vote, the possibility of an innocent goes down, but slightly, but a slightly that we need. I say we continue to accuse people, even if it means me, but we cast a wider net.
Scubacarrot Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 Alright, here I go, the accusations flying around are not helping, aside from getting reactions, but how often does that help? Town may over react to being accused, the idea that they are scum horrifying them (as it does in my case). A scum may under react, but this is all generalizations. Exceptions to rules, keep in mind. Do I like the voting we have to do today? Not really, partly because it looks like I'm going to that vote, and also because, how much can it prove 90% of the time? Should we sit on our bums and do nothing? Of course not, but I'd rather not vote (or vote to stop a majority forming) today. Look at this math I've concluded: If we vote off an ally tonight, we're down one town. Then there is the fact that Purists could kill a townie during the night, then there's the possibility of a vig that could mistakenly get an innocent. If we don't vote, the possibility of an innocent goes down, but slightly, but a slightly that we need. I say we continue to accuse people, even if it means me, but we cast a wider net. Aaaaaand there is the unavoidable "Let's not vote!". Spoiler Alert: It's a bad idea, and I don't have the stomach or patience to once again give up all the reasons why this is, if someone else would be so kind? It seems like you are grasping, mate.
AwesomeStar Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 Aaaaaand there is the unavoidable "Let's not vote!". Spoiler Alert: It's a bad idea, and I don't have the stomach or patience to once again give up all the reasons why this is, if someone else would be so kind? It seems like you are grasping, mate. If we don't vote, the day never ends! And if the day never ends, we'll run out of coffee!
KotZ Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 And if the day never ends, we'll run out of coffee! I forgot that
Peanuts Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 If we vote off an ally tonight, we're down one town. Then there is the fact that Purists could kill a townie during the night, then there's the possibility of a vig that could mistakenly get an innocent. If we don't vote, the possibility of an innocent goes down, but slightly, but a slightly that we need. I say we continue to accuse people, even if it means me, but we cast a wider net. You come up with that after you're a main suspect? It's been discussed ad mauseam in the past, so, well, no. I'll vote and hope we'll reach a conviction.
Brickdoctor Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 If we vote off an ally tonight, we're down one town. Then there is the fact that Purists could kill a townie during the night, then there's the possibility of a vig that could mistakenly get an innocent. If we don't vote, the possibility of an innocent goes down, but slightly, but a slightly that we need. Oh, MegaBloks, not this again. I think we go over this every single time a situation like this comes up. Yes, statistically, we have a very slightly better chance if we don't lynch Day One, but we have no voting patterns to analyze, and we essentially allow the Scum to be aggressive, make the first moves and be in the driver's seat for at least one Night, since they're the ones who are able to coordinate and plan all their night actions from the start.
Flipz Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 Alright, here I go, the accusations flying around are not helping, aside from getting reactions, but how often does that help? Town may over react to being accused, the idea that they are scum horrifying them (as it does in my case). A scum may under react, but this is all generalizations. Exceptions to rules, keep in mind. Do I like the voting we have to do today? Not really, partly because it looks like I'm going to that vote, and also because, how much can it prove 90% of the time? Should we sit on our bums and do nothing? Of course not, but I'd rather not vote (or vote to stop a majority forming) today. Look at this math I've concluded: If we vote off an ally tonight, we're down one town. Then there is the fact that Purists could kill a townie during the night, then there's the possibility of a vig that could mistakenly get an innocent. If we don't vote, the possibility of an innocent goes down, but slightly, but a slightly that we need. I say we continue to accuse people, even if it means me, but we cast a wider net. Did you...seriously...just suggest a No Lynch? I'm not even going to list all the DOZENS of reasons a Day 1 No Lynch is a terrible idea, and just suggest a Policy Lynch on this alone. Seriously... AwesomeStar, I have good news and bad news for you. The good news: there is almost ABSOLUTELY no way I will vote for anyone but King at this point. The bad news: I'm pretty certain the Vig is going to kill you tonight, unless you'd like to defend yourself?
Darkdragon Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 If we don't vote, the day never ends! The day ends after 72 hours. No worries on running out of coffee. 3. A game day will last a maximum of 72 hours. You may not vote in the first 24 hours. The day will end when a majority vote has been reached. After the day has concluded, a night will commence, which will last a maximum of 48 hours. Night actions must be sent to the host in the first 24 hours of nighttime.
Brickdoctor Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 If we don't vote, the day never ends! What makes you think that? The game lasts a maximum of 72 hours. If that period ends before a conviction is reached, no one is lynched.
KotZ Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 Oh, MegaBloks, not this again. I think we go over this every single time a situation like this comes up. Yes, statistically, we have a very slightly better chance if we don't lynch Day One, but we have no voting patterns to analyze, and we essentially allow the Scum to be aggressive, make the first moves and be in the driver's seat for at least one Night, since they're the ones who are able to coordinate and plan all their night actions from the start. I didn't think of that. Or we could all vote who we think it is, then at the last second unvote, but then we're at the problem you stated if we don't lynch.
Scubacarrot Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 Oh, MegaBloks, not this again. I think we go over this every single time a situation like this comes up. Yes, statistically, we have a very slightly better chance if we don't lynch Day One, but we have no voting patterns to analyze, and we essentially allow the Scum to be aggressive, make the first moves and be in the driver's seat for at least one Night, since they're the ones who are able to coordinate and plan all their night actions from the start. I'd say a free kill with no chance of taking out a scum means that it's statistically a bad idea too. Chemist math skills, yo.
KotZ Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 I'd say a free kill with no chance of taking out a scum means that it's statistically a bad idea too. Chemist math skills, yo. And that's why I'm a janitor.
Scubacarrot Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 I didn't think of that. Or we could all vote who we think it is, then at the last second unvote, but then we're at the problem you stated if we don't lynch. "Who we think it is"?? What does that even mean?!
KotZ Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 "Who we think it is"?? What does that even mean?! Meaning each individual person votes who he or she thinks it is.
Brickdoctor Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 I didn't think of that. Or we could all vote who we think it is, then at the last second unvote, but then we're at the problem you stated if we don't lynch. So if it do anything to solve the problem, then the reason you suggested it is...
KotZ Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 Which reaches my point: the babbling buffoon could not be scum. Well, believe what you will. I still don't know my stance, now seeing the error in my logic. I don't know my stance on others, or even my own statements.
AwesomeStar Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 AwesomeStar, I have good news and bad news for you. The good news: there is almost ABSOLUTELY no way I will vote for anyone but King at this point. The bad news: I'm pretty certain the Vig is going to kill you tonight, unless you'd like to defend yourself? What makes you say that? So far as I am aware I have presented sufficient counter-points to any put against me. At first I wanted everybody to be more cautious about their actions and accusations in case it lead to a dreadful mistake, and as I have said, a scum tactic of wanting to slow the game down would eventually amount to the scum inadvertently securing his own death, and so would not even attempt in the first place. A Townie, however, would because of, well, what I just said. The day ends after 72 hours. No worries on running out of coffee. and What makes you think that? The game lasts a maximum of 72 hours. If that period ends before a conviction is reached, no one is lynched. Yeah, sorry, I forgot about that. All I could remember was the day ending when a majority had been reached. Apologies, folks.
Brickdoctor Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 With no limit on Unvotes, I don't see any reason not to get this started. I Vote: Peter Robbins (KingoftheZempk).
Scubacarrot Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 Don't think I need to explain myself further. Until a proper defense is given, I think I need not do anything different than: Vote: Ensign Robbins (KingoftheZempk)
Scubacarrot Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 Vote: Lt. Joshua Wright (AwesomeStar) Can I ask what makes you suspect him more than Robbins?
Peanuts Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 Well, I don't need to sum up everytime I or someone else pointed out that something Robbin said was suspicious, do I? I vote: Ensign Peter Robbins (KingoftheZempk) Oh, and I meant "ad nauseam" earlier, of course.
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