Ah fail, and pwned the language of children, I thought this was supposed to be meant for AFOL not CFOL.

I hope it isn't going to be 4 more years till we get Avatar 2 as I read somewhere, other wise JC will be 60.

I was talking about $1B worldwide grossing. Anyways, this movie is now #1 all time worldwide grossing; it even broke $2B. IMDB link to list. I bet if there is an Avatar 2, it will be more successful than this

Wrong on both counts. If inflation is factored in (as it should be, it makes lists like that infinitely more accurate), then Avatar is still somewhere down in the twenties in the rankings. Gone with the Wind is first and Star Wars is second (as it should be).

The reason that people have gone to see Avatar is that they've heard the effects are outstanding, which they are. The reason that people go to see sequels is because they like the characters and the plot. Avatar doesn't have characters and plot. It has charicatures and Pocahantas. Why would anybody go to see Avatar 2 in theaters? If they want to go back to Pandora, they can just watch Avatar on DVD on their big screen TVs (which will probably be 3D by then). Only the die-hard Avatards would show up.

Avatar's plot is like Pocahontis's

No, Avatar's plot IS Pocahontas's I lol'd when I saw this.

The reason that people have gone to see Avatar is that they've heard the effects are outstanding, which they are. The reason that people go to see sequels is because they like the characters and the plot. Avatar doesn't have characters and plot. It has charicatures and Pocahantas. Why would anybody go to see Avatar 2 in theaters? If they want to go back to Pandora, they can just watch Avatar on DVD on their big screen TVs (which will probably be 3D by then). Only the die-hard Avatards would show up.

No, Avatar's plot IS Pocahontas's I lol'd when I saw this.

Avatards?

I think you'd be surprised. I'm fairly sure that the next Avatar is going to have even better visuals as they perfect it. Also, since the characters were fairly stale in the first movie, they're going to have to actually work very hard to make a good story for it.

Of course, the problem is that I can't think of any potential plot other than "The Revenge of the Shareholders."

Avatards?

I think you'd be surprised. I'm fairly sure that the next Avatar is going to have even better visuals as they perfect it. Also, since the characters were fairly stale in the first movie, they're going to have to actually work very hard to make a good story for it.

Of course, the problem is that I can't think of any potential plot other than "The Revenge of the Shareholders."

I think the next plot is very obvious: Clicky

Only the die-hard Avatards would show up.

Not p.c. but very very funny!

I think the next plot is very obvious: Clicky

Also funny

I thought it was a pretty good movie when I went and saw it. The effects where incredible!

But I do agree the story was alittle weak.

Do non-Americans care about the Oscars?

Yes quite afew NZers do watch them, well alot of people I know do.

CommanderFox

Edited February 6, 201015 yr by CommanderFox

Avatards?

I think you'd be surprised. I'm fairly sure that the next Avatar is going to have even better visuals as they perfect it. Also, since the characters were fairly stale in the first movie, they're going to have to actually work very hard to make a good story for it.

Of course, the problem is that I can't think of any potential plot other than "The Revenge of the Shareholders."

Yep, Avatards. I think one of my friends qualifies to be their chief (he's trying to learn Na'vi. Gimme a break already. It's only got a thousand words.)

As for your other points, I really don't see how the visuals can get any better. 90% of the movie was animated, yet you always felt like you were watching something live-action. When you think about it, it should have been nominated for best Animated Film. I don't see any potential plots either, it really seems pretty self-contiained...

I think the next plot is very obvious: Clicky

Of course, there is that ^ :P

Edited February 6, 201015 yr by Tereglith

I hate it when people say avatar didn't have an original plot. Star wars is stolen from westerns and samurai movies. Only they set it in space.

I hate it when people say avatar didn't have an original plot. Star wars is stolen from westerns and samurai movies. Only they set it in space.

Star Wars had a plot based on and drawn from other stories. It also had its own unique characters, and some of its own unique twists and mythology and things like that.

Avatar, on the other hand, seems entirely an unoriginal plot, with pretty thin characters and cliche-ridden like heck. That doesn't mean they stole the plot, Star Wars didn't steal anything either, they just used an old plot, and pumped it full of cliche.

I don't think this makes Avatar bad, and it was fun to watch, but to me it makes it much weaker than other sci-fi films.

It was even better then the original Star Wars! Even better then Empire!

It was even better then the original Star Wars! Even better then Empire!

What? That makes no sense.

What? That makes no sense.

Well, I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion, and some people like super-duper effects rather than more on the character-development/emotions side.

Though I wholeheartedly agree with you, def.

I don't think shamelessly stealing is the problem - it's what you do with it Ie, being interesting over originality.

I think Avatar would have suffered if Sigourney Weaver hadn't been in the cast. She was the only character that seemed more rounded and human - three-dimensional, if you will - than anyone else on screen. (It may be unAustralian not to praise Sam Worthington but he looked constipated and most of his acting fell into the stare/ squint/ smile school.)

Yes, Avatar was genuinely visually impressive, but it's not the kind of movie where I'd be racing back into cinemas to sit through again for its amazing plot, engrossing twists-and-turns, or brilliant acting. I'd much rather sit through another effects-heavy 'political' sci-fi movie such as District 9, which also had all of the things I listed above (plus a sense of humour ).

Yes, Avatar was genuinely visually impressive, but it's not the kind of movie where I'd be racing back into cinemas to sit through again for its amazing plot, engrossing twists-and-turns, or brilliant acting. I'd much rather sit through another effects-heavy 'political' sci-fi movie such as District 9, which also had all of the things I listed above (plus a sense of humour ).

Totally agreed, though in the sci-fi realm this year for me it would be Star Trek. I have seen it twice now, and not only is it a beautiful movie just like Avatar, it also fills every second with stuff important to the story, has very little just thrown in for the heck of it, has interesting developing characters, has a not-very-cliched plot… ah, the list goes on for me.

I thought that was funny, but I thought Avatar's plot was like Dances Like Wolves

Well, a few days ago in school, we were talking about how there are a lot of movies that follow the same basic plot. I bet there is a list somewhere in the deepest darkest corners of the interwebz that there is a list that shows all the movies in history with the same plot as Avatar.

haha Pocahontas.

Let's accept it though, nobody really went to this film expecting a good plot but expecting good fx. The visuals were amazing.

It was even better then the original Star Wars! Even better then Empire!

Can I have all your LEGO sets now that you'll die?

Edited February 13, 201015 yr by vexorian

Let's accept it though, nobody really went to this film expecting a good plot but expecting good fx. The visuals were amazing.

You got me 100%. I made a point of checking it while in Canada, so I could see it in English, in 3-D. I had low expectations beyond that, and it fulfilled! It stimulated well for 2 1/2 hours or so, and it did the job better than a lot of films.

It stimulated well for 2 1/2 hours or so, and it did the job better than a lot of films.

Hmm, gotta disagree with you on that.

First of all, it seemed way too long to me, and didn't need to be that 2 1/2 hours that you mention. During the long montages of him assimilating with the culture I was actually bored, thinking "where the heck is this going," "why the heck is this important," and "why the heck don't they cut to the chase."

And I also can't say it did the job better than a lot of films, since I see a lot of films and of the B fare or sci-fi movies Avatar left me majorly unimpressed.

To me it is a problem when a movie falls apart at even the most basic level of thinking about the plot. Yes, some things you have to take for granted, or you could never watch any Sci-Fi or vampire movies or anything of the like. But I've seen plenty of action/adventure or sci-fi movies this year that stand up much better than Avatar.

To name two, Star Trek and (a movie I saw just today) The Wolfman. Both of these films have glorious scenery and cinematography. The new Star Trek has frankly the most gorgeous space battles I have ever seen, as well as beautiful planets and effects. Even the main bridge was a beautiful set with all of its white gleam. I fully believe that even though Star Trek did not spend years and years developing its CG it looks just as gorgeous as Avatar. Then, putting the plot under just a bit of scrutiny, Star Trek holds up while Avatar blasts apart. Even with its weird time warp old Spock stuff Star Trek basically makes sense and doesn't have much unnecessary stuff (other that chase on the Ice planet), and it has a whole lot of strong, developing characters. So both films have great effects, but one has so little else going for it that what really is the point?

I'll also briefly compare Avatar to The Wolfman, though these films do not share a genre, and Wolfman is quite new so most of you probably won't know what I'm talking about. Wolfman is set in Victorian England, as as such it has lots of nice shots of olds manors and little towns and hills and forest. Landscapes that are just as nice to flying mountains and blue plants, to my eye anyway. The plot and characters are a bit hokey, what with galavanting werewolves and Scotland Yard inspectors and a distressed damsel, but they have some emotion and you can't read the whole thing at first glance. The movie also even has a slow pace, unlike Avatar which wants to have a fast pace but then gets bogged down in a slow pace that it shakes off later. But, even with a slow pace and hokey stuff going on, the plot can't be riddled with wholes too easily. What goes on makes sense, and there aren't any of the "Why didn't they do that yet, what's taking them so long" moments.

So many times in Avatar, I thought "Why are the humans not just attacking yet, you know they're going to anyway" and similar queries. And I also got slightly bored in the middle. So, all in all, even though it was top-of-the-line eye candy, if there are other equally nice looking movies whose plots don't fall to pieces on the slightest touch, then this movie did not do a good job even at what it is.

Hmm, gotta disagree with you on that.

I was talking about the visuals only. Stimulating visuals

If you're having a bad day, and feeling low about yourself, well, look what this guy did to himself. And apparently, he's just getting started

OK we get it you hate it, move on already.

OK we get it you hate it, move on already.

Are you saying that photo didn't make you crack a little smile, not even a little? It brightened my day up a whole lot

Are you saying that photo didn't make you crack a little smile, not even a little? It brightened my day up a whole lot

Don't worry about him, he's the enemy of fun, rainbows and sunshine. Some even say he eats up babies

Batbrick Away!

But he's actualy right, the plot has to many holes in it. The directing and and visuals make up for it, but they wont do that forever.

Give the movie a few years and it will slowly bore people and people will regret they had a tatoo. Just like Lord of the Rings. First the hipe was huge, but now, there's isn't that mush talking about it anymore. Friends of mine who bought the DVD's never rewatch it, because the movies are to long and to boring half of the time. Before we know it, the avator toys will be on sale. To know if a movie can surpas a hipe you just need to check the kids, and all they want is Clone wars.

It's to bad that a guy who did make timeless classics like Terminator 2 and Aliens fell in to the Holywood trap.

This is probably most overrated movie ever.

I didnt expect much in the first place but i went to see it cuz, well everybody was talking about it,..etc.

For me it was really boring movie, so that means it sucked yeah.

Rather stupid plot, boring characters, visuals ? oh cmon, nothing special here too.

At least they could include some nice music but they didnt so this movie fails, imo.

Anyways, nothing particulary wrong with Avatar since there are many bad movies nowadays.

And btw, that Avatar tattoo is epic, isnt it ? hahahaha