Peanuts Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 The Scum team would have to be HUGE in order to balance a player pool of 23 people, unless there are two teams or unless the Scum got conversions. In any case, it has little bearing on the case against me, I'm simply defending our Neutral Cop, though if Scuba's found a real cop then perhaps I needn't be so worried about defending him (especially since he doesn't see fit to defend me at all despite the fact that my loyalty to him is a millstone around my neck at this point ). Actually, it's usually 1/4 to 1/3, which means 6-7 scum players. Not that huge. Whatever. Oh, no, his blocker did indeed block someone, but they didn't block me; the action was redirected. I know this because I'm the one who did it--I'm the Redirector. Last Night, I redirected all actions from me to Commander Walters, just like Night 1 I redirected all actions from Scouty to Awesomestar. Of course, now that you've forced me to claim publicly, I'm mostly useless to you, since I'll be permablocked or killed by the Scum unless I always target myself, but there you go. That's what happened. But if that is the case, why didn't Walter talk to Wheeler when he learned he was blocked? He couldn't know the block was redirected, could he? And the Admiral explicitely told us the picture was a joke and no clue. And it's not like redirector would be the most useful role role anyway. Not having an action (on Night 1), Officer Walters couldn't know that he was blocked and as a result take the kill on night 2. It's not uncommon for players without action to learn about the block. In fact, it surprised me only players with actions would learn. Anyway, if Jones says Walters has been blocked, and Walters denies that, we can conclude that one of them has to be scum, and applying Ockham's Razor the simplest explanation is that Jones is the killer, so I'll stick with my vote. By the way, shouldn't a block overrule a redirection? Roleblocks usually come first, but I remember a case in a vid named Noir where a killer killed the blocker who blocked him.
Fugazi Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 And conversely, if you're Scum, I'm confirmed to not be scum as well. Why should we lynch a Town Power Role when the other possibility for Scum is a claimed Vanilla? Losing a Vanilla would be less harmful to us than losing a Power Role. I still don't buy it. Why would a redirector have targeted Falcon on night 1? What made you think that he of all people would be the target of an action? It's not uncommon for players without action to learn about the block. In fact, it surprised me only players with actions would learn. Is it not? Off the top of my head I don't remember that ever happening to me. On the holodeck, I mean.
Peanuts Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Is it not? Off the top of my head I don't remember that ever happening to me. On the holodeck, I mean. At least I thought so. I've once seen a holovid about the Yakuza, where a Godfather Lyncher/Goon who was similar to me (he even had the same hairstyle) was blocked, and despite not having a night action, he learned about it. It happened to others, as well.
Fugazi Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 At least I thought so. I've once seen a holovid about the Yakuza, where a Godfather Lyncher/Goon who was similar to me (he even had the same hairstyle) was blocked, and despite not having a night action, he learned about it. It happened to others, as well. Oh? Could be, that's a holovid I didn't get to see!
Bob Posted July 2, 2012 Author Posted July 2, 2012 DON'T LOOK FOR HINTS IN THE PICTURES, THERE ARE NONE. SCOUTY'S APPEARANCE WAS A JOKE. A LOT OF OTHER PICTURES HAVE JOKES OR EASTER EGGS. THESE ARE NOT CLUES. Vote Tally: Lieutenant Zachary Jones / Flipz: 8 (Scubacarrot, Tamanono, Masked Builder, Scouty, CallMePie, Peanuts, Brickdoctor, Inconspicuous) Non Voters: 11 (Flipz, Shadows, Fugazi, swils, fhomess, darkdragon, Flare, Palathadric, Dannylonglegs, Waterbrick Down, Dakar A)
Palathadric Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 So you're saying that the vig actually targeted Scouty Ensign Falcon instead of Lt Wright? That's a claim that can be verified. It doesn't have to be this way at all. The vig could have just gone after Lt. Wright, right? Would the redirectors know if he successfully redirected someone?
Fugazi Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Jones made a big deal over a small clue at the end of Day Two, and made me switch my target, which I found slightly odd. Would you like to elaborate on that? If Jones is scum, he was likely trying to steer you away from one of his pals. Jones gets put under heat due to the block, tells me over and over it's my fault, I apologize, and then he reveals me in public. How was it your fault that Jones was blocked?
Scubacarrot Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Thanks Admiral, that makes it a lot easier, for me, at least .
Fugazi Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Would the redirectors know if he successfully redirected someone? Yes, he likely would. Else he would be told he was blocked or failed or something.
Bob Posted July 2, 2012 Author Posted July 2, 2012 Thanks Admiral, that makes it a lot easier, for me, at least . That's Fleet Admiral to you, buster.
Fugazi Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 It doesn't have to be this way at all. The vig could have just gone after Lt. Wright, right? Right. But now I think we have caught Jones trying to use a visual that was purely intended as a joke to convince us that he is a redirector. His defence is hardly holding water.
Scubacarrot Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 That's Fleet Admiral to you, buster. It says Admiral under your picture, sir.
Palathadric Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 From what I can tell Jones is scum and needs to be lynched, if he does turn up town, then either Walter is scum or Wheeler and Holloway are. Of course, Jones flipping scum does not confirm the towniness of Walter, but it does, perhaps, confirm Wheeler a bit. That short bit is just to say that it seems to be the right idea to lynch Lt. Jones. Vote: Lieutenant Zachary Jones (Flipz) Oh, he has also gone all head-banging and eye-rolling on us.
Scubacarrot Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 From what I can tell Jones is scum and needs to be lynched, if he does turn up town, then either Walter is scum or Wheeler and Holloway are. Of course, Jones flipping scum does not confirm the towniness of Walter, but it does, perhaps, confirm Wheeler a bit. That short bit is just to say that it seems to be the right idea to lynch Lt. Jones. Vote: Lieutenant Zachary Jones (Flipz) Oh, he has also gone all head-banging and eye-rolling on us. Actually it kinda does confirm Walters's towniness, All Jones was basically trying to do was pin the blame on Walters. Would have been a real elaborate set up, otherwise.
Fugazi Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Vote: Zachary Jones (Flipz) I'm still scratching my head about that neutral cop though.
CMP Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Would you like to elaborate on that? If Jones is scum, he was likely trying to steer you away from one of his pals. How was it your fault that Jones was blocked? I'll PM you in a moment. As for the second bit, he seems to be under the impression that hiding my identity is the entire reason he's being lynched...at least, in private.
Dakar A Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Vote: Zachary Jones (Flipz) Sorry buddy! Even though I'm inclined to trust you, I remeber what happened last time I saw a Vid where there was a PR's result that the Town didn't investigate, and the Scum won. Plus, your defense isn't really doing too much, too many things that are WAY too iffy to all be confirmable. It seems that you'll keep up your pattern of being one of the first few kills, yet again!
Scubacarrot Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 For the record, the blocker was not aware of the fact that there was talk of a neutral cop, the blocker decided on his/her own
Scouty Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 I forgot how many days have gone by, give me a break, I'm dealing with outside stuff! In any case, I don't think the Scum would wait until night 2 to convert somebody; what if their converter got killed or lynched before then? No, it's more likely that the Scum don't get conversions, and thus that there are two teams of Scum. Given the number of people here, a second Scum team is MORE than likely. If there isn't, I'd question balance, unless the Scum have conversions; since there was a kill on the first two Nights, I highly doubt that. It's simple math, really. What? This doesn't make any sense whatsoever! This is a normal sized crowd here and there is no reason to suspect that there are only 4 or five of us (minus Freaky-Hair-Thornby-Scum) are scum! You trying to deny the presence of conversions only makes it the more likely that the scum do have conversions and you're one of them and so you know that it exists. Gonna try to bulletpoint it. Yeah, I'm a neutral cop. Thought only Jones would actually believe me. Investigated Wheeler because at that point she was my only contact and I wanted to be able to trust her. Ended up getting caught up with Jones' ideas, the most me and Wheeler shared were early suspicions, sorta lost contact. Even though I asked him not to tell anyone, Jones told Wheeler she'd been investigated by a neutral cop, which she didn't believe, obviously... Jones made a big deal over a small clue at the end of Day Two, and made me switch my target, which I found slightly odd. Jones gets put under heat due to the block, tells me over and over it's my fault, I apologize, and then he reveals me in public. I obviously haven't made the smartest choices, all starting with apparently claiming to a scum. It's unlikely I'll survive until tomorrow, but I at least want to get this idiot off the ship. If Jones ends up Purist, and there aren't other obvious choices tomorrow, you'd be a good candidate to go after tomorrow. I'm thinking of two solutions here: 1) You are a neutral cop (which I don't really believe). Keeping you alive may be a help to the town, but it's a liability and you could very well turn around and betray us. 2) You're not a neutral cop, but actually a Purist! You put out this defense to help protect yourself and hope we buy the "neutral cop" story because Jones screwed up and hoped that this ploy would get him out of a lynch. I'd be surprised if Jones turns out town. We'll have some serious questions to ask, but seeing the display from today, it looks like we have nailed our second scum, and possibly a third.
Palathadric Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 If Jones ends up Purist, and there aren't other obvious choices tomorrow, you'd be a good candidate to go after tomorrow. I'm thinking of two solutions here: 1) You are a neutral cop (which I don't really believe). Keeping you alive may be a help to the town, but it's a liability and you could very well turn around and betray us. 2) You're not a neutral cop, but actually a Purist! You put out this defense to help protect yourself and hope we buy the "neutral cop" story because Jones screwed up and hoped that this ploy would get him out of a lynch. I'd be surprised if Jones turns out town. We'll have some serious questions to ask, but seeing the display from today, it looks like we have nailed our second scum, and possibly a third. Agreed. If Jones is scum, and possibly even if he isn't, Holloway is, more likely than not, a dangerous person to have around.
CMP Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Agreed. If Jones is scum, and possibly even if he isn't, Holloway is, more likely than not, a dangerous person to have around. Um, I don't think Jones would be dumb enough to reveal me if we're both scum. I've been approached several times asking for the results of previous investigations, and I've given them pretty much all the information I have. But you won't have to worry. I'll be dead tomorrow night once the scum's killer is reassigned.
Palathadric Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Either you're lying, in which case you're probably scum and you need to die, or you really are a neutral in which case...well...we'll see. Sleep well, Holloway! And if the scum really do kill you tonight, make one last investigation, and let someone know before you die.
CMP Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Either you're lying, in which case you're probably scum and you need to die, or you really are a neutral in which case...well...we'll see. Sleep well, Holloway! And if the scum really do kill you tonight, make one last investigation, and let someone know before you die. I'd be dead before I get the result. I only hope that Jones really is the killer, it'll give me one more night before it's up to whatever protector is out there.
Palathadric Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Well, it is not unlikely that he is the killer, if he is scum.
Dannylonglegs Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Oh my goodness! Allot has happened since last time I checked in! This is quite confusing, but I think the obvious choice is to Lynch Jones and see if he's scum! It's worth a shot, at least just to clarify all this crazy roleclaiming! If he ends up actually being this role which he claims to be, then we can run from there with information gathered today, and we won't have lost a very useful or important role anyways. Vote: Zachary Jones (Flipz) As far as this neutral cop business goes, Townies have no reason to lie, and this smells like a lie. And even if it isn't, he's not loyal if he's neutral, and he could easily become a liability and cut a deal with the scum, which they would, honestly, be stupid to take since he's been outed . In my opinion, he's a logical next step if Jones shows up as scum, and maybe, excluding any other leads, even if he doesn't.
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