Hinckley Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 At least you are less impossible to talk to than some other people here. Yay!
Dakar A Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 I see no reason to wait, we can unvote all we want, anyway, and there is enough time. I'm going to vote for Ensign Campbell, he has conviniently not read half my statement, and is (to me) quite obviously trying to form a bandwagon on me. He sees, with someone else, holes that don't exist. (repeated) Newsflash! How can you "know" someone's playstyle by a quarter of a game? Answer, you can't. I read most of your 'statement', and the number of personal attacks just seemed to scream out, and that's why I felt the need to call you out on it. I was trying to use the knowledge that I had of you so far to see wether those attacks were because of the way you play, or wether there were more sinister motives at hand. I think there is a decent chance Campbell jumped on this oppertunity, unable to see how ridiculous the claim is, and misjudging Falcon, who is a veteran on this sort of thing, that he is supporting Mandel's accusation, while the truth is I hurt Falcon's feelings, which is why he will vote for me. Vote: Ensign Campbell (Dakar A) You are right, I was trying to further what Mandel and Falcon had said, to try and further ourselves, seeing as it is still day one, and (just) about everything is a shot in the dark. I did not vote for you, nor will I because I belive that you have adequately defended yourself, and I am sorry if I hurt your feelings (your words, not mine! ).
Scubacarrot Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 The problem is I'm not so sure at the moment. I think he's scum but at the same time, I'm worried that it's just as likely that I have tunnel vision, and I'm singling him out because his actions remind me of myself during the simulation. That being said, I was scum, and I know that scum can be very logical and very capable of concealing their affiliation by mimicking themselves from past games. In addition, I want to see if anyone agrees with me, which would indicate to me either that others have picked up on his scummyness, or that the scum are trying to use me to get a Townie Lynched. It doesn't seem like too many agree with me though, which could mean I am on the right track, and the scum are pushing in other directions to get the popular vote away from their team mate. Or that I'm dumb and have no valid argument. What do you mean by 4 and 7? I do, and I told you, I think you brought it up to discretely change the subject and try to seem useful It's not all metagaming. That's just the reason I locked on to you. I very well might be. I could have sworn you used that during the Holovid Jedi Temple Mafia, but it was likely combined with other suspicions, so it wasn't as simple as a retaliation vote. Well, there's not much I can say in response to this apart from, you're welcome. You were a clear Town-tell from the start and we were correctly worried that you'd become a huge problem for us. This time around though, I'm getting a different read from you (although it might have something to do with not being scum myself this time around. ) No, I don't his post really strikes me as nooby, especially since he's essential repeating what I told him of my suspicions towards you in private. He's behaving like a sheep and for the most part he's alone, so no, it doesn't strike me as scummy. And by "looking for a noob to vote off again" I'm referring to your initial comment where you pointed out "Awesomestar." You've made it a habit of only picking on those who are sheepy because of their relative newness to the game, and I don't think that's Townie behavior. It reminds me of myself during the simulation. Well, I think it is best, so yes, I will vote for you. Vote: Commander Andrew Gordon(Scubacarrot) I'm not going to back off. If others want to vote for you, that's fine. I'd love to find out if I'm right. If no one joins me, I'm also pretty suspicious of Brian Pewter (Palathadric) who I think may be in league with you from some of the stuff he's said to me in private. His being in league with you in my mind depends on whether or not you are scum. You don't present valid arguments, not saying you are dumb, but I'm just saying. And don't compare me with yourself. Really. I said that already. And it was not that, I'm not being useful like this, the longer I have to respond to this useless crap, the less I'm doing useful stuff. Obviously. Yes it is, you don't have any other arguments. Then think about! ? Uhm... no? Sounds like a personal problem. AGAIN you have not read. Go back, read, tell me what is wrong with this part. Go. Fine. First part you say you might have tunnelvision, indecisive, much, buddy? Yay! Can we be friends again? Until one of us dies, that is?
Tamamono Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Mr. McAndrews has got to be scum because he PMed all the "bigshots" and he didn't PM me...and he said he liked me. Why do I get the feeling that I'm quoting someone here. Now now, I didn't PM all the bigshots, just the ones I wanted to talk to. *bitter defense* Yeah, Gordon's town. Truly, I see no reason to lynch him today - he's acting identically to the way he did in the simulation, save for the point about darkdragon which frankly doesn't strike me as very important. My three main lynch targets for today would be Williams, Campbell, and Pewter, in that order. And since we have unlimited unvotes, I see no reason to not throw my weight around a little. Vote: Ensign Allison Williams (swils) Much like Jones, Williams has completely flown under the radar thus far, in fact, more so than usual. I've played with Williams before, and she's usually a little bit more talkative. Not as much so as some people (), but more talkative nonetheless. In addition, if she is town, she's of no use if she's just going to sit around and do nothing.
KotZ Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Half the time, I feel all of you make sense, then the other half you don't. All I know is we have a big decision to make. I keep looking at the transmissions, and I just don't know how we should proceed. For now, I'm withholding my vote, only to see where this is all taken. I'll vote today, for who, I'm not sure.
Scouty Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Seriously. You haven't read everything. Roles have been turned around, obviously. You really think we are facing the same thing as in the virtual reality? I don't think so. And with between 4 and 7 I mean the number of scum. Reading through the thread, you are right. I recognize that things are different this time around, though I didn't mean to suggest that we're going against the same thing than in the sim. Though I can't imagine there being a huge difference, right? 7 Scum is a high number of scum. Unless you mean with conversions, but we don't really have to worry about that too much unless it actually happens, which it might not. I figure the current number is probably 5, maybe 4. I don't see any compelling evidence against you, besides your attitude. I guess we'll continue a bit of bickering and then in the end kill all the Purists together ! Unvote: Second Officer Lieutenant Commander Andrew Gordon (Scubacarrot)
Hinckley Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Can we be friends again? Until one of us dies, that is? Again? I thought we already were friends. So, yes, of course.
Dannylonglegs Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 *Snip* Yeah, Gordon's town. Truly, I see no reason to lynch him today - he's acting identically to the way he did in the simulation, save for the point about darkdragon which frankly doesn't strike me as very important. I see what you're saying here, and now that he's responded the way he has instead of how I thought he was responding earlier, I'm getting more convinced that I'm wrong. Unvote: Second Officer Lieutenant Commander Andrew Gordon (Scubacarrot)
Masked Builder Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Well, after reading the arguments, and thinking about it, I Vote: Commander Andrew Gordon(Scubacarrot). He's just been to confusing to make any sense. The fact is, nothing in today's major discussion has tripped my scum readers which leads me to believe as is always the case on the first day, that the scum (or at least 1 or 2 of them) are flying under the radar. I remember full well how in the training simulator 2 of the scum barely said a single thing during the entire first day and no one called them out on it. That being said my FoS is pointed at Lieutenant Jones (Masked Builder) who has merely given the expected first day response "Blah, blah, blah, the captain's dead...", isn't there anything else you could have commented on during this time? What about Chief Burbank, or Lieutenant Hornby, nothing from you two esteemed officers? I had a meeting to attend was traveling and only had time to pop in and see what was happening.
Dakar A Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 For now, untill he puts up a decent defense, I'll Vote: Science Officer Lieutenant Michael McAndrews (Tamamono) Not only have you only come around the day thread a few times (enough to stay under the radar), there's the strange PMing, and the fact that ypu're calling out swills for not posting yet, and stating that we ( the Town) would be better off without him. Care to explain, Mr. Know-it-all?
CMP Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 We've managed to discern a jackass, but no Purists. I suspect we're gonna end up without a lynch today, but I guess there's still hope, if we can analyze all this crap properly and make a decision based on it.
Dannylonglegs Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 For now, untill he puts up a decent defense, I'll Vote: Science Officer Lieutenant Michael McAndrews (Tamamono) Not only have you only come around the day thread a few times (enough to stay under the radar), there's the strange PMing, and the fact that ypu're calling out swills for not posting yet, and stating that we ( the Town) would be better off without him. Care to explain, Mr. Know-it-all? To what defense are you referring?
Fugazi Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 I see what you're saying here, and now that he's responded the way he has instead of how I thought he was responding earlier, I'm getting more convinced that I'm wrong. Unvote: Second Officer Lieutenant Commander Andrew Gordon (Scubacarrot) Really? That's it? After pages of accusations and arguments, you're giving up like that? Because a couple of players of unknown allegiance don't support your ideas? How do you know they're not trying to steer us away from lynching Commander Gordon? Or is it perhaps because you haven't caused a bandwagon to form? Let me recap the events... - Very strong accusation of Gordon. - Waiting for someone else to vote Gordon first. - Unvoting Gordon when you didn't even vote for him in the first place. What are you up to, Ensign? I was starting to think you were onto something, then this? Vote: Ensign Timothy Mandel (Dannylonglegs) Oh, my mistake! I see now that you belatedly voted for Gordon, but only after others led the way. My vote stands for now.
CMP Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Let me recap the events... - Very strong accusation of Gordon. - Waiting for someone else to vote Gordon first. - Unvoting Gordon when you didn't even vote for him in the first place. While I know how easy it is for an accusation to fall flat against a decent defense (aggravating as it is), the bit about voting I do find kind of suspicious.
Fugazi Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 While I know how easy it is for an accusation to fall flat against a decent defense (aggravating as it is), the bit about voting I do find kind of suspicious. As I quickly added to my statement above, I was wrong about Mandel not voting at all. He did vote. However it remains that this swift unvoting is suspicious, moments after his vote and after a long-winded and forceful accusation.
Tamamono Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 For now, untill he puts up a decent defense, I'll >defense To what. Vote: Science Officer Lieutenant Michael McAndrews (Tamamono)Not only have you only come around the day thread a few times (enough to stay under the radar), there's the strange PMing, and the fact that ypu're calling out swills for not posting yet, and stating that we ( the Town) would be better off without him. Care to explain, Mr. Know-it-all? I've been busy in real life, Campbell, and if I'm not mistaken, I've spoken up more than you. The PMing isn't strange, as you can plainly see in my defense to the accusation Falcon posted earlier. If we're going to lynch town (which we are, based on the accusations so far ), it might as well be useless town. So, yes, I've explained now, so you can unvote me.
Dakar A Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 >defense To what. I've been busy in real life, Campbell, and if I'm not mistaken, I've spoken up more than you. The PMing isn't strange, as you can plainly see in my defense to the accusation Falcon posted earlier. If we're going to lynch town (which we are, based on the accusations so far ), it might as well be useless town. So, yes, I've explained now, so you can unvote me. Alrighty, I was getting the same feeling of a no-lynch, and you defended quite nicely, so... Unvote: Science Officer Lieutenant Michael McAndrews (Tamamono)
Bob Posted July 7, 2012 Author Posted July 7, 2012 Vote Tally: Ensign Campbell / Dakar A : 1 (Scubacarrot) Ensign Pewter / Palathadric : 1 (Rufus) Ensign Williams / swils : 1 (Tamamono) Lieutenant Commander Gordon / Scubacarrot : 1 (Masked Builder) Ensign Mandel / Dannylonglegs : 1 (Fugazi)
Dannylonglegs Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 Really? That's it? After pages of accusations and arguments, you're giving up like that? Because a couple of players of unknown allegiance don't support your ideas? How do you know they're not trying to steer us away from lynching Commander Gordon? Or is it perhaps because you haven't caused a bandwagon to form? Let me recap the events... - Very strong accusation of Gordon. - Waiting for someone else to vote Gordon first. - Unvoting Gordon when you didn't even vote for him in the first place. What are you up to, Ensign? I was starting to think you were onto something, then this? Vote: Ensign Timothy Mandel (Dannylonglegs) Oh, my mistake! I see now that you belatedly voted for Gordon, but only after others led the way. My vote stands for now. Well, I don't know what you want me to do. I've explained why I think his behavior is scummy, and he and I have argued the points over and over. Nobody but I, it seems, accept Zachary Jones, agrees that I'm on to something. Everyone either doesn't agree, or hasn't payed attention (perhaps intentionally, I don't know.) I did not wait for someone to vote for him either. I've been very busy today, and I was writing my vote for him before someone else even did. I am, again, uncertain how to lead a vote, or even if it's the right thing to do, and when I did, ultimately, my heart wasn't in it. I really do still suspect him, but I've been convinced that I'm tunnel visioning him for a metagaming reason. I would love to see if he's Townie or not, but I'm not sure if it would be worth it to get a Townie lynched just because I had a suspicion that no one else shared. I'm not trying to get a bandwagon started, I'm trying to find the scum. You're right about one thing though, me unvoting Gordon is not helpful to the Town, no matter how uncertain I am. We're all uncertain, as none of us have anything to work with. I tried to take the lead, but my uncertainty got the best of me when no one else followed. I really should see my vote to the end, even if I'm standing alone. It's the only argument that I find convincing anyways, and in my opinion, unless anything actually shows up, which it won't, we need a lynch to analyze behaviors with. I'm going to revote: Commander Andrew Gordon(Scubacarrot). I think he's scum, and even if I'm tunnel visioning on a townie, the responses to my argument can be analyzed by us tomorrow, and we can figure out who the actual scum are.
CMP Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 I'm going to revote: Commander Andrew Gordon(Scubacarrot). I think he's scum, and even if I'm tunnel visioning on a townie, the responses to my argument can be analyzed by us tomorrow, and we can figure out who the actual scum are. Vote: Timothy Mandel (Dannylonglegs). A behavioral slip-up isn't something you can just fix this easily, in my mind.
Hinckley Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 I am not for a no-lynch on Day One. Lynching is a useful tool. Not using it for a day could be to our detriment in the long run. I'd like to hear more about the original hair accusation by PM between Lieutenant Arnold Daly (Rufus) and Ensign Brian Pewter(palathdric). I highly doubt all these amateur early PMs and people flailing about arguing over nothing and drawing attention to themselves on Day One are signs of Scum. If so, then they're playing WIFOM Scum. But let's look at it from the viewpoint of what we should usually look for. Ensign Brian Pewter has engaged in some odd behavior by PM, i.e. accusing Arnold Daly of being Scum because of his hair and then not really posting much here in the Day thread. That's a combination of what the major accusations have been. Odd private behavior and an attempt to fly under the radar in the public thread. I seem to remember someone making a tally of how many posts each player had made during the simulation. Was that Flipz? Was that something someone did? If that was part of this game, it gives me an idea, but I suppose I should go back and check the simulation vids.
Brickdoctor Posted July 7, 2012 Posted July 7, 2012 What the MegaBloks are you doing, Mandel? After all those accusations go back and forth, and you vote late and then unvote, as has been pointed out, now you vote again, while agreeing with your accuser? It's like a weird mix of Wishy-Washy Voting, tunnel vision, and the "Acting like a Townie when told what a Townie should act like" Scum-tell. I Vote: Timothy Mandel (Dannylonglegs). I seem to remember someone making a tally of how many posts each player had made during the simulation. Was that Flipz? Was that something someone did? If that was part of this game, it gives me an idea, but I suppose I should go back and check the simulation vids. It was the former Lieutenant Jones (Flipz), yes.
Hinckley Posted July 8, 2012 Posted July 8, 2012 It was the former Lieutenant Jones (Flipz), yes. Aha, thank you. OK, so a Scum did it last time. Could the current Scum team be keeping that page from the spaz's playbook in mind and trying to appear more active or, at least, not at the bottom of that list?
Dannylonglegs Posted July 8, 2012 Posted July 8, 2012 Vote: Timothy Mandel (Dannylonglegs). A behavioral slip-up isn't something you can just fix this easily, in my mind. I understand how strange my behavior has been, but this is not the behavior of a scum. Honestly, I would not have "slipped up" if I was scum. I would have asked for advice on what to do if I was feeling as uncertain as I was earlier, and frankly, I wouldn't feel so uncertain because I would know that Gordon's not on my team, and I'd push as hard as possible to get him Lynched because I could very easily come off as a confused Townie on day 2, and accuse someone who followed me. Or even better, I wouldn't try to lead the Town, I'd just stay the course and watch the Town Lynch an inactive Townie, a noob, or a screw-up like me right now and not even deal with the responsibility of a lynch. There are very few repercussions for a miss vote on day one. For a scum. For a Townie, a miss vote on day one is a very bad thing, because it means Scum: 1 (more likely 2) Town: 0, with only a bit of information to go on by means of behavioral analysis, and maybe an investigation result or a protection if the Town's very lucky. I wouldn't care if "I'm wrong" or alone if I was scum, because I very literally wouldn't be alone. I'd have a team backing me, and advising me. What the MegaBloks are you doing, Mandel? After all those accusations go back and forth, and you vote late and then unvote, as has been pointed out, now you vote again, while agreeing with your accuser? It's like a weird mix of Wishy-Washy Voting, tunnel vision, and the "Acting like a Townie when told what a Townie should act like" Scum-tell. I Vote: Timothy Mandel (Dannylonglegs). The same argument goes for you. I really don't know what I'm doing, and I made a really bad decision in dropping the attack. I don't know if I was tunnel visioning earlier, but I probably was. The only way I can see right now is to stay the course and stick to Gordon unless there's another argument that I find even more convincing. I'm sorry I made such a mess of this, but If I get lynched, you'll have lynched a townie.
Tamamono Posted July 8, 2012 Posted July 8, 2012 Alrighty, I was getting the same feeling of a no-lynch, and you defended quite nicely, so... Unvote: Science Officer Lieutenant Michael McAndrews (Tamamono) Thank you kindly. *tips hat* I'm going to revote: Commander Andrew Gordon(Scubacarrot). I think he's scum, and even if I'm tunnel visioning on a townie, the responses to my argument can be analyzed by us tomorrow, and we can figure out who the actual scum are. *huh* So, you vote Gordon, and then when a case is presented as to why he's not scum, you unvote him, and then, when someone calls you out on unvoting someone you're tunneling on, you revote him. Honestly, this is blatant scum behavior, but I'd put this kind of thing above you. There's no reason for you to be this all-over-the-place. Or are you trying to copy a certain Sith Lord and be bold? I think I'm going to Unvote: Ensign Allison Williams (swils) and Vote: Timothy Mandel (Dannylonglegs)
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