Excalibur 2.0: Day One

[CMP]

I understand how strange my behavior has been, but this is not the behavior of a scum. Honestly, I would not have "slipped up" if I was scum.

As to the rest of your defense, you're completely missing the point. Do you have any idea how obvious it would be if you pushed for Gordon's lynch? You'd be a pretty shitty scum. No, you put up an argument and a vote, but with no votes supporting you, you wipe it off the table. A short while later, you get called out on it, not to mention you get a vote towards him, and boom, you're back on the offensive. Spearheading a day one vote doesn't automatically qualify as 'leading the town', usually it ends up as a town and the idiot (or in many cases, the scum) who started the vote in the first place berates themselves in the day thread, and doesn't bring anything else up. That's one townie down, the lyncher pretty much off the hook as a 'necessary day one vote'.

In other words, it wouldn't be at all difficult to just direct this lynch, appear upset the next day, and not draw attention to yourself again. That's a good spot for a scum to be in.

[Dannylonglegs]

So, you vote Gordon, and then when a case is presented as to why he's not scum, you unvote him, and then, when someone calls you out on unvoting someone you're tunneling on, you revote him. Honestly, this is blatant scum behavior, but I'd put this kind of thing above you. There's no reason for you to be this all-over-the-place.

Or are you trying to copy a certain Sith Lord and be bold?

I think I'm going to

Unvote: Ensign Allison Williams (swils)

and

Vote: Timothy Mandel (Dannylonglegs)

You are referring to yourself correct? No. I do not want to be a town leader. I don't want anyone to give me their power roles, and as you yourself have shown, those with power roles should not trust anyone with their information on the first day or night (or the second unless there's a good reason) I'm glad to hear you'd put this above me. I thought it was too, but I assure you, it's not because I'm scum and I slipped up. It's because I was trying to find a scum, became self-conscious, gave up, realized how dumb that was, and then re-voted him.

[Scouty]

I really don't see Mandel's actions very condemning. They're maybe a bit confused, but his forwardness today doesn't scream scum. Same with everybody else that has been vocal today. I bet at least some of the scum are lying low, so maybe we should try and target those people?

then re-voted him.

Not that that's the correct format for voting, anyway...

[Dannylonglegs]

As to the rest of your defense, you're completely missing the point. Do you have any idea how obvious it would be if you pushed for Gordon's lynch? You'd be a pretty shitty scum. No, you put up an argument and a vote, but with no votes supporting you, you wipe it off the table. A short while later, you get called out on it, not to mention you get a vote towards him, and boom, you're back on the offensive. Spearheading a day one vote doesn't automatically qualify as 'leading the town', usually it ends up as a town and the idiot (or in many cases, the scum) who started the vote in the first place berates themselves in the day thread, and doesn't bring anything else up. That's one townie down, the lyncher pretty much off the hook as a 'necessary day one vote'.

By your argument I can tell I was unclear.

If a scum leads a lynch on a Townie on day one, then on day two, he/she can simply say, "whoops, I could have sworn my target was scum," and get off Scott free. There's no reason to believe he/she wasn't a confused Townie especially if a lot of other people noted the lynched-townie's scummyness before.

A really shitty scum would make a case against a townie, vote for said townie, notice no one else is voting for said townie, and then unvote said townie, then revote for said townie after being "called out" for unvoting.

I know my actions have been stupid, but do you honestly all think I'm that dumb?

In other words, it wouldn't be at all difficult to just direct this lynch, appear upset the next day, and not draw attention to yourself again. That's a good spot for a scum to be in.

Yes, and that's what I'd be doing right now if I was scum.

Not that that's the correct format for voting, anyway...

Right.

Vote: Commander Andrew Gordon (Scubacarrot)

[CMP]

If a scum leads a lynch on a Townie on day one, then on day two, he/she can simply say, "whoops, I could have sworn my target was scum," and get off Scott free. There's no reason to believe he/she wasn't a confused Townie especially if a lot of other people noted the lynched-townie's scummyness before.

A really shitty scum would make a case against a townie, vote for said townie, notice no one else is voting for said townie, and then unvote said townie, then revote for said townie after being "called out" for unvoting.

I know my actions have been stupid, but do you honestly all think I'm that dumb?

Yes, and that's what I'd be doing right now if I was scum.

....

You do realize that the second paragraph fits right into the first paragraph, and that is exactly what you're doing?

Truth be told, I don't know how dumb you are, but it's both pretty damn stupid as well as scummy. I'm not going to go wondering, step-by-step, do if you were scum, that's different for every person. I'm analyzing what you've said so far and come to the conclusion that you're the scummiest person here right now.

[Hinckley]

A really shitty scum would make a case against a townie, vote for said townie, notice no one else is voting for said townie, and then unvote said townie, then revote for said townie after being "called out" for unvoting.

I know my actions have been stupid, but do you honestly all think I'm that dumb?

Take a second and breathe, dude. You've just described exactly what you're doing. I doubt you think we're dumb enough to not realize it. I don't think you're dumb either though, so... maybe you've just been thinking too fast.

I can't place a vote for Timothy Mandel yet. His defense, while a bit spastic, seems sincere and it seems there are a vocal few turning everything he says into a Scum tell.

Maybe I'm off my game, but I can't get on board with this vote yet.

[Scouty]

So, for most of the day, Ensign Williams (swils), Ensign York, (Flare), Wilder (fhomess), Harper (Dragonator), and Francis (AwesomeStar), haven't contributed a lot today, and what they did contribute was pretty much pointless. Can't say this says very much, as I don't know if they're busy working around the ship or not, but more than half of the day has gone by.

I feel that we may be making a similar mistake today like our first time in the sims and try to vote someone off for a slip that's not very condemning. It seems like we're just trying to find something that truly may not be there to justify a vote .

[Dannylonglegs]

....

You do realize that the second paragraph fits right into the first paragraph, and that is exactly what you're doing?

Truth be told, I don't know how dumb you are, but it's both pretty damn stupid as well as scummy. I'm not going to go wondering, step-by-step, do if you were scum, that's different for every person. I'm analyzing what you've said so far and come to the conclusion that you're the scummiest person here right now.

I understand how odd my behavior has been, but your conclusion is wrong. As to your first sentence, I'm pretty confused by it. I just said in my previous posts what I would likely be doing if (and what I did do when) I was scum.

A logical scum would go right through with the vote until it became a bandwagon and until the target was dead, and then, on day 2 say, "it was an accident, my target's actions convinced me he was scum." He wouldn't back down on the bandwagon because no one was following. That would be "super scummy." And, honestly, there would be no good reason not to. It's what I did on day one of the simulation. I didn't care that "Awesomestar" would likely not get lynched. He was town, but I had a pretty good argument, and, really, it wouldn't have mattered if he beat my argument--which he couldn't have, and I chose him for that reason--because if he did, then I could fall back to "gut".

You see, people who make dynamic, confident moves are most always called Townies, while those who are uncertain look like they "just want to lynch anyone who's not scum." And usually, that's not really the case. I'm sure at least three of the more active players today are scum, because the scum know that activity makes you seem Townie. Often the activity that one reads as a "Towntell" is the activity of an active player, and the confusion spread by a "Scumtell" is frequently the confusion of a naive, or confused player.

[Hinckley]

A logical scum would go right through with the vote until it became a bandwagon and until the target was dead, and then, on day 2 say, "it was an accident, my target's actions convinced me he was scum." He wouldn't back down on the bandwagon because no one was following. That would be "super scummy." And, honestly, there would be no good reason not to. It's what I did on day one of the simulation. I didn't care that "Awesomestar" would likely not get lynched. He was town, but I had a pretty good argument, and, really, it wouldn't have mattered if he beat my argument--which he couldn't have, and I chose him for that reason--because if he did, then I could fall back to "gut".

This makes more sense. You worded it really weird the first time you explained it.

[Darkdragon]

I'm not sure about Mandel yet. The things he's said and done today are really making me say "huh?" and wondering why he is so easily swayed by anyone/everyone. I'm sorry Mandel but you can't just agree with everyone, otherwise it looks like you just want to keep everyone happy and really not make any decision of your own. On the other hand, you are defending yourself pretty well and trying to stay calm, and I do appreciate that - after all, I was on the receiving end of that kind of word-twisting abuse in the simulator and I know it does not feel good at all.

Something a little more troubling for me though is Ensign Brian Pewter who messaged me (and others I believe) a few hours before this day started. All told it wasn't that bad, there have been others who have messaged people and we've already discussed that. However, the thing that confused and frightened me was that a little while ago he said that he is scum. He could have been joking, like he said, but I've been thinking hard about it and I don't understand why someone would joke about that.

I'm not ready to vote for anyone yet, but I wanted to at least bring up these two things that have been troubling me the past couple hours.

[Dannylonglegs]

Take a second and breathe, dude. You've just described exactly what you're doing. I doubt you think we're dumb enough to not realize it. I don't think you're dumb either though, so... maybe you've just been thinking too fast.

I can't place a vote for Timothy Mandel yet. His defense, while a bit spastic, seems sincere and it seems there are a vocal few turning everything he says into a Scum tell.

Maybe I'm off my game, but I can't get on board with this vote yet.

Sorry, this is the first time I've been so close to the chop block.

Yes, I did describe exactly what I did. What I did would be a really really stupid move for a sane scumbag! Why would a sane scum re-vote someone without a new argument? It'd be suicide! Why would a sane scum drop a perfectly fine opportunity to Lynch someone? None of my moves would make sense if I was scum, and maybe it's not a great defense, but I'm not that stupid. And, even if you think I am, the collective thinking power of a team of scum certainly is not. Anyone who was scum last game knows I'm a team player. I would have asked the scum team if my moves were good ones or bad ones. There is no way a sane scum group would have thought my moves would advance their cause in any way. They wouldn't! My moves have been bad ones even for a Townie to make because right now, I'm causing confusion in the Town. Surely someone who voted for me is a confused townie. Probably more than one.

[Hinckley]

However, the thing that confused and frightened me was that a little while ago he said that he is scum. He could have been joking, like he said, but I've been thinking hard about it and I don't understand why someone would joke about that.

I had a weird feeling about him too. Can you quote him directly? You can't quote the host but you can quote PMs from other players...I think. I'll check the rules.

The rules don't disallow directly quoting a PM from another player. Go for it.

[Darkdragon]

I had a weird feeling about him too. Can you quote him directly? You can't quote the host but you can quote PMs from other players...I think. I'll check the rules.

I can, except for my serious moral objections to quoting actual PMs in the day threads without permission. I mean, when people do it to me it makes me really upset. It would be so hypocritical of me to get as upset as I do over it and then do it to someone else right here in the day thread. I'd have to punch myself in the face for being a jerk.

[CMP]

Knowing what you think what a logical scum would do doesn't clear you.

And with that, I've just destroyed your entire defense.

[Hinckley]

I can, except for my serious moral objections to quoting actual PMs in the day threads without permission. I mean, when people do it to me it makes me really upset. It would be so hypocritical of me to get as upset as I do over it and then do it to someone else right here in the day thread. I'd have to punch myself in the face for being a jerk.

Then punch yourself and quote him or just paraphrase it so we all understand the context.

[Darkdragon]

Then punch yourself and quote him or just paraphrase it so we all understand the context.

Ok, I can paraphrase and give you some actual small quotes, that might help.

We were talking about red shirts and red flowers.

And I said that if I had a red shirt I couldn't give it to him because he might be scum.

He said. "I am scum." (and some other stuff about red shirts and there were smilies involved)

I asked if he was joking.

He said. "I never joke about such matters. "

A few messages later he said he was joking the whole time.

Now I need to go ice this black eye I just gave myself.

[Dannylonglegs]

Knowing what you think what a logical scum would do doesn't clear you.

And with that, I've just destroyed your entire defense.

No, it doesn't clear me. Nothing can fully "clear me" accept an investigation result, or my affiliation popping up as Loyal upon my death. No one on day one can be cleared.

I can, however convince you all that I am not scum by explaining how un-scummy my actions have been. My defense stands. If you can't see how incredibly stupid and asinine I would have to be to act the way I did if I was scum, then that's your problem. You're not thinking logically.

[Peanuts]

Ok, I can paraphrase and give you some actual small quotes, that might help.

We were talking about red shirts and red flowers.

And I said that if I had a red shirt I couldn't give it to him because he might be scum.

He said. "I am scum." (and some other stuff about red shirts and there were smilies involved)

I asked if he was joking.

He said. "I never joke about such matters. "

A few messages later he said he was joking the whole time.

Now I need to go ice this black eye I just gave myself.

Is it just me or has Ensign Pewter's performance so far cosisted of nothing but joking?

At least, I hope he was joking when he accused people because of their hairstyles and such.

I don't know what to make out of this, I'd like to hear what Pewter has to say first.

[CMP]

I can, however convince you all that I am not scum by explaining how un-scummy my actions have been. My defense stands. If you can't see how incredibly stupid and asinine I would have to be to act the way I did if I was scum, then that's your problem. You're not thinking logically.

No, it's....not convincing either. You haven't explain at all how unscummy your actions have been, you've been rattling off for hours about scummier actions you would take. And if you can spend that long thinking about a hundred different scummier ways to get a townie lynched, then you know that they're scummier, and you're logical enough to execute then.

So you pull this crap. If you're scum.

I can perfectly see how incredibly stupid and asinine you'd have to be to do it as scum, but what if you were town? It's just as ridiculous a move. In which case, well, you've already admitted to confusing townies, so you're not much help anyway.

Correction:...and you're logical enough to not execute them.

[Dakar A]

Is it just me or has Ensign Pewter's performance so far cosisted of nothing but joking?

At least, I hope he was joking when he accused people because of their hairstyles and such.

I don't know what to make out of this, I'd like to hear what Pewter has to say first.

In other Holodeck simulations, it seems to me that at least one of the members of the scum team likes to joke lot, and roleplay more than gameplay. I think it would be a good idea to get him talking, so...

Vote:Ensign Brian Pewter, security (Palathadric)

Also, he imediately contacted me in the Sim., but no such contact has been made this time around.

[Dannylonglegs]

No, it's....not convincing either. You haven't explain at all how unscummy your actions have been, you've been rattling off for hours about scummier actions you would take. And if you can spend that long thinking about a hundred different scummier ways to get a townie lynched, then you know that they're scummier, and you're logical enough to execute then.

So you pull this crap. If you're scum.

Logical enough, maybe. Gutsy enough to depend on my logic to save me after intentionally screwing up, becoming a huge target? No. You see, confidence is a huge factor in one's ability to pull off a gambit such as the one you suggest I'm attempting to pull off right now, and I like to play it safe. Take that for what you will. Call bull. That's fine, but I'm not lying. I would much rather not be on the chopping-block right now, but my uncertainty lead me astray, and I screwed up by dropping the Lynch on Gordon. To rectify that, I tried to re vote him. It's that simple, and now I realize that that too was a mistake because now people are finding my actions scummy, which is not helpful to the Town, because I myself am a Townie, and being on the chopping block means that others who should be on the chopping block are not.

I can perfectly see how incredibly stupid and asinine you'd have to be to do it as scum, but what if you were town? It's just as ridiculous a move. In which case, well, you've already admitted to confusing townies, so you're not much help anyway.

It's stupid, but not asinine in this case. I'm not intentionally causing confusion! I didn't think the move was ridiculous at the time, and now, I can see that it was a bad one!

Correction:...and you're logical enough to not execute them.

That's sort of what I thought you meant. You're suggesting that my actions have been in the pursuit of executing a gambit. Correct?

[Shadows]

I don't know what to make of all of these accusations, but I do know that splitting our votes so thin only benefits the scum. Even if we're wrong in the end, we need to try to focus on one or two targets and not just throw useless votes around, they give the appearance of activity when in reality they're just a distraction. It's one reason you can't look at activity as an indicator of guilt, a lot of the supposed activity today is meaningless or worse.

At this point, I still haven't seen a compelling argument for anyone, just a lot of behavioural theories that could easily be countered with past experiences and one pm claim that should be directly quoted or it's impossible to judge.

[CMP]

That's sort of what I thought you meant. You're suggesting that my actions have been in the pursuit of executing a gambit. Correct?

It's possible. Thinking about it, it's actually somewhat more likely you just screwed up. And don't say 'I wouldn't mess up if I was scum', because you don't decide when the hell you screw up.

You're the best chance at scum I think we have right now, unless Pewter's defense isn't sufficient. Until then, my vote's staying where it is.

[Dannylonglegs]

It's possible. Thinking about it, it's actually somewhat more likely you just screwed up. And don't say 'I wouldn't mess up if I was scum', because you don't decide when the hell you screw up.

You're the best chance at scum I think we have right now, unless Pewter's defense isn't sufficient. Until then, my vote's staying where it is.

Ok, that's fine, vote for me if you want, but if you're a Townie, you're making a mistake. I did screw up. Pretty badly, and moreso than I ever have before. However, I am not Scum, therefore, you should not Lynch me.

Of course I don't decide when I screw up, which is what you were suggesting by saying my actions have been a gambit. However, while there're plenty of good reasons for a Townie to screw up, there's very little reason for a scum, with full access to a board of somewhat logical people with whom he can confer, to screw up. I'm not saying I wouldn't screw up if I was scum, but I certainly wouldn't have screwed up to this extent if I could run my actions by a group of people who I could trust.

[Hinckley]

At this point, I still haven't seen a compelling argument for anyone, just a lot of behavioural theories that could easily be countered with past experiences and one pm claim that should be directly quoted or it's impossible to judge.

So, she doesn't feel bad about quoting private discussion, I'll paraphrase it for everyone.

They were joking about red-shirts, like on Star Trek I guess, I don't know.

Oh nuts to this.

The Mysterious Case of Whoever's Conversation with Whoever Because I Still Don't Know Anybody's Damn Name

A play in one act by Harriet the Slut.

Toby Rockford (darkdragon): I'll give you my red shirt. That way you can die this time or whatever joke I'm making, I'm not sure. This is pure conjecture on the playwright's part.

Brian Pewter (palathdric): I am Scum. I'll take your shirt and we will kill you tonight and then the shirt will be mine forever.

Toby Rockford: Um ... ... What the megabluck? I don't think you can have my shirt now. I don't really have one anyway, but if I did I wouldn't give it to the Scum. If you are, could you please not kill me? I'd like to play the game. Are you really Scum? Or are you joking?

Brian Pewter: I never joke about such matters.

Toby Rockford: Is there a joke emoticon you can add to that please?

Brian Pewter: I will just kill you and take it if you won't give it to me. Don't worry. The stupid host didn't give us a killer so I can't kill you anyway.

Flipz: Oh my God, let me tell you about how stupid this host is. I tried to say that the picture was a clue that Scouts...

Everyone else: Shut the megabluck up!!!!!

The End