Progress of The Acheron Part III

[El Bucanero]

Change those guns!

You mean change them from non-MOC to MOC guns? Or do you mean something else?

I also think the bow is without question the hardest part to do! Sloping down the front if you can do it I think looks best!

Sounds like a good idea! I shall see what I can do...

Mr Tiber

[Bonaparte]

Okay, laddies, here are some interior pics of the ship( I never noticed how over-armed and big this ship was before!):

Not much to see though...

I removed the deck because I'm gonna do future update nr 1. (change distance between guns from 2 to 3 studs) today...

I'll post more interior pics as soon as I changed the distance between the guns.

Have a nice day,

Mr Tiber

Nice pictures! I'm a big fan of these cannons!

A quick count tells me you have already 26 on the Archeron.

They represent a huge investment.

I'm really curious to see some pics with the 3 studs and compare with these.

[ZCerberus]

You mean change them from non-MOC to MOC guns? Or do you mean something else?

I meant change them to 3 stud spacing!

[Mister Phes]

It will be quite a noobish one that's for sure. I'm geting quite into pirates since i joined thanks to this forum, so don't expect anything to rival your ships just yet.

I know what you mean about "don't expect anything to rival your ships just yet" but in my case replace the "ship with "fort". So that's why I started with something small.

I'll post more interior pics as soon as I changed the distance between the guns.

How much are you changing the distance by - have you decided yet? I notice there's been some talk about 3 stud spacing...

[Bonaparte]

I meant change them to 3 stud spacing!

Aha, I also thought you suggested to change the cannons by MOC versions".

Thanks for clarifying Z.

[El Bucanero]

I know what you mean about "don't expect anything to rival your ships just yet" but in my case replace the "ship with "fort". So that's why I started with something small.

How much are you changing the distance by - have you decided yet? I notice there's been some talk about 3 stud spacing...

3 studs spacing is correct... I'm considering destroying this ship completely and rebuild it afterwoods... I think it just doesn't look like the Acheron good enough.. Sure, it has the same colour scheme, almost same armament. But something's still missing...

What do you guys think? Should I destroy it, or leave it the way it is?

Please think about it...

Have a nice day,

Mr Tiber

[Bonaparte]

I'm considering destroying this ship completely and rebuild it afterwoods... I think it just doesn't look like the Acheron good enough.. Sure, it has the same colour scheme, almost same armament. But something's still missing...

What do you guys think? Should I destroy it, or leave it the way it is?

Please think about it...

I would improve the ship, but not destroy it.

You can try to make it look like the Archeron, but it will always be a Lego version.

In the end, you have to look at the ship without comparing it with anything and decide if you like it.

When I scroll through the Index, yours is really one of the better ships. Excellent color scheme.

Only the "line" of the hull could be improved a bit and it will need some more "details" in a later phase.

[El Bucanero]

I would improve the ship, but not destroy it.

You can try to make it look like the Archeron, but it will always be a Lego version.

In the end, you have to look at the ship without comparing it with anything and decide if you like it.

When I scroll through the Index, yours is really one of the better ships. Excellent color scheme.

Only the "line" of the hull could be improved a bit and it will need some more "details" in a later phase.

Well, I have other arguments why to destroy and rebuild it, like this: The ship is quite low, the cabin is as low as possible. If I want to make a HMS Surprise (wich is smaller than the Acheron) it would be at the same height... I don't like that Idea.

The fact there's no tumblehome is also bugging me off... It makes it look so bulky.

And what exactly do you think that needs to improved about the line of the hull? I'm also quite interested in what you mean with details...

Mr Tiber

[Bonaparte]

The hull is a bit squary. BUT that is also one of the things I actually like about your Archeron...

Some changes you can make:

- Use these bricks on the stern:

- Play with those black lines that run across the ship. Now the are straight: -------------

But you could make them a bit more like this (only a little bit, without exaggerating) : ---_____---

This will not change the structure of the ship, only the look.

You can start with the middle-black-line just above the window on the castle and go a bit down towards the middle.

- Maybe try to introduce 1 row of slopes in the hull to get a bit the tumblehome. You can experiment a bit on 1 side of the ship.

For me, it is always easier to improve on an existing hull. I changed the hull on L'Orient maybe 10 times. Still I'm not 100% happy, but Lego has limitations which we have to accept.

[El Bucanero]

The hull is a bit squary. BUT that is also one of the things I actually like about your Archeron...

Some changes you can make:

- Use these bricks on the stern:

Stern? I was actually expecting you to say bow, because that's a very square part(I thought the stern of this ship was supposed to be square)

- Play with those black lines that run across the ship. Now the are straight: -------------

But you could make them a bit more like this (only a little bit, without exaggerating) : ---_____---

This will not change the structure of the ship, only the look.

Well, I've been watching the movie for hours to get a clear shot of the Acheron, and from what I've seen, the black lines were completely straight. But perhaps I just need to see it again.

- Maybe try to introduce 1 row of slopes in the hull to get a bit the tumblehome. You can experiment a bit on 1 side of the ship.

Since I'm already experimenting with the distance between the guns on one side of the ship, I'll also try that...

And BTW, I see alot of you (including you Bonaparte) Write Archer[/]on, while it is Acheron... without the extra R...

[Bonaparte]

Stern? I was actually expecting you to say bow, because that's a very square part(I thought the stern of this ship was supposed to be square)

Oh dear, I must focus more. I meant bow. Sorry for the confusion.

Well, I've been watching the movie for hours to get a clear shot of the Acheron, and from what I've seen, the black lines were completely straight. But perhaps I just need to see it again.

It's really hard to find a picture of the Acheron. This is the only one I could find.

I think that black line is going up a (little) bit towards the stern.

And BTW, I see alot of you (including you Bonaparte) Write Archer[/]on, while it is Acheron... without the extra R...

Your right. Thanks. I won't make that mistake again... .

Remember I also used to call you Mr. Timber :-D

[El Bucanero]

Oh dear, I must focus more. I meant bow. Sorry for the confusion.

It's really hard to find a picture of the Acheron. This is the only one I could find.

I think that black line is going up a (little) bit towards the stern.

Too little to do in LEGO I think.

Your right. Thanks. I won't make that mistake again... .

Remember I also used to call you Mr. Timber :-D

Hehehe

You should look on the Master & Commander official site, it is something with flash , so I can't post a pic. You have to do "the journey" till you get at The Acheron. There you will find a quite clear pic.

Man, I just looked at some pics and noticed this ship is sooo gorgeous! I think I can never do it justice with the prefab hulls...

Mr Tiber

Now what's wrong with the quotes?!

[ZCerberus]

On the very first quote you don't have the part behind it, so it messing up all the other ones!!!!

Edit:

You fixed it!

[Bonaparte]

You should look on the Master & Commander official site, it is something with flash , so I can't post a pic. You have to do "the journey" till you get at The Acheron. There you will find a quite clear pic.

Man, I just looked at some pics and noticed this ship is sooo gorgeous! I think I can never do it justice with the prefab hulls...

Is this the picture you are talking about? That's indeed a gorgeous ship.

I used a capture tool to get it and then removed the text on the flag and part of the picture (just very rough).

[El Bucanero]

Is this the picture you are talking about? That's indeed a gorgeous ship.

I used a capture tool to get it and then removed the text on the flag and part of the picture (just very rough).

Good job, Bonaparte!

Yes it's a beauty!

I think I'll have to pay a visit to LL Germany... For the PaB!

I want to build this mighty ship on a brick built hull. I don't know what'll happen to the current Acheron though..

Mr Tiber

[Bonaparte]

Good job, Bonaparte!

Yes it's a beauty!

I think I'll have to pay a visit to LL Germany... For the PaB!

I want to build this mighty ship on a brick built hull. I don't know what'll happen to the current Acheron though..

Mr Tiber

I think it is very much possible to build this ship on a standard hull. It has only 1 gundeck, so the width you can get with a standard hull in combination with inverted slopes should be OK. Why would you use a brick build hull?

The only advantage I see is you have more control on the color scheme because of the height of the bow and stern sections. You have to live with the brown color even if you would want the higher part of the bow/stern to have a different color. Only solution is using colored tape (see some other discussions) or go for the brick build hulls.

[El Bucanero]

First: I think having all the current brown parts in black would change the overall look of the ship dramaticly(positive).

And, also the shapes would be a lot better I think. You can't expand the stern and bow with inverted slopes, but with a brick buil hull, you have almost unlimited possibilities. But I have to think about it.

Mr Tiber

[Capn Frank]

Mr. Tiber,

I'd use brick-built hulls if you want to go for the correct scale of the Archeron and the HMS Surprise.

I couldn't find any stats on the Archeron but i did find dimensions of the HMS Suprise at answers.com.

HMS Suprise

For the HMS Surprise:

The beam, or the width at the widest point of the ship, is 32ft. or roughly 10m

And the length of the whole ship is 179ft or 60m.

and the mainmast is 130ft high or 43m.

For a rough estimate of scale from Lego to real-life, I have 1 stud = 1 foot or roughly 3 studs = 1 meter.

With this type of scale, the width of the HMS Surprise is 2x's the width of a standard lego hull :S

Now the Archeron is a larger 44 gun frigate, so it would have even larger dimensions.

Let me know what you think.

P

[El Bucanero]

Mr. Tiber,

I'd use brick-built hulls if you want to go for the correct scale of the Archeron and the HMS Surprise.

I couldn't find any stats on the Archeron but i did find dimensions of the HMS Suprise at answers.com.

HMS Suprise

For the HMS Surprise:

The beam, or the width at the widest point of the ship, is 32ft. or roughly 10m

And the length of the whole ship is 179ft or 60m.

and the mainmast is 130ft high or 43m.

For a rough estimate of scale from Lego to real-life, I have 1 stud = 1 foot or roughly 3 studs = 1 meter.

With this type of scale, the width of the HMS Surprise is 2x's the width of a standard lego hull :S

Now the Archeron is a larger 44 gun frigate, so it would have even larger dimensions.

Let me know what you think.

P

That's very useful information Mr P! Even though you don't have dimensions of the Acheron. It appears I have to go to a PaB again...

[Dukesc]

Overall I think you are making a very nice vessel. *y* *y* I like the color scheme, but does the real ship have yellow on the sides?

I am glad you are putting more space between the cannons, as I feel that will make it more realistic. *sweet*

If I were to be picky here are a few things I would change.

As you heard from others the front is somewhat blocky and facets could help a great deal.

As for the hull you could add some inverted slopes whether it be 1x2x3 or 2x2x3, or whatever, closer to the bottom to get the tumblehome effect. Then maybe some regular slopes to bring it back in if you have the space.

From your first pictures the forward mast could go further forward moving the capstan behind it.

I agree with Aaron Morse that the 4 x 4 round pieces under the rear mast don

[El Bucanero]

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[Capn Frank]

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I could use some advice for building BB Hulls(from experienced BB hull builders, like Aaron Morse or Phred), what are the best techniques? Invert slopes or bricks? etcetera...

Anyone??

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In my experience 3x3 facets and wedges seem to work the best. Then have some inverted slopes to blend the bottom of the bow to the top of the bow.

If the bow is mostly black, then almost all the facet lines are "covered up". ;-)

The bow on the dame du loup is 30 studs wide using about 50 facets. if you had a choice between facets and wedges, i recommend using the wedges. Reason being is that it would be a lot easier to construct it when putting it together. It was really difficult using all facets without it falling apart in the construction stage.

However, my bow is very solid and is probably the strongest component of my frigate. :)

For a 3x3 facet on BL the part # is 2462.

For a 3x3 wedge on BL the part # is 30505.

If you'd like other ideas for hulls here are a few examples:

Here's a plate built bow:

Here's a inverted-sloped hull:

Here's a unique hull build that i haven't tried yet:

P

Edit:

If you'd like to discuss brickbuilt further, please go to the Brick built hulls, I need experienced help! thread.

Thanx.

[Dukesc]

Hi there, I'm seriously thinking of what I should do, improve the current Acheron, or go on a shopping spree and buy parts for a brick built hull.

I could use some advice for building BB Hulls(from experienced BB hull builders, like Aaron Morse or Phred), what are the best techniques? Invert slopes or bricks? etcetera...

Anyone??

Let me first ask you if you've seen the latest pic X-D :

After you answered I'll comment on your ideas.

Wow! I must have missed your latest picture. I see you have done some vast improvements Mr. Tiber. *y* *y* I can

[Bonaparte]

In my experience 3x3 facets and wedges seem to work the best. Then have some inverted slopes to blend the bottom of the bow to the top of the bow.

If the bow is mostly black, then almost all the facet lines are "covered up". ;-)

The bow on the dame du loup is 30 studs wide using about 50 facets. if you had a choice between facets and wedges, i recommend using the wedges. Reason being is that it would be a lot easier to construct it when putting it together. It was really difficult using all facets without it falling apart in the construction stage.

However, my bow is very solid and is probably the strongest component of my frigate. :)

For a 3x3 facet on BL the part # is 2462.

For a 3x3 wedge on BL the part # is 30505.

Very useful advice since I'm also planning to make a brick build hull.

And you've shown us 2 ships that were not yet in the index *y* !

I am going to make a to scale HMS Victory X-D ...

I hope you start a progress thread when you start building.

It will be a big challenge to build the HMS Victory, a first rate ship of the line!

So you will be using the yellow/black color scheme?

[El Bucanero]

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