Excalibur 2.0: Day Two

[Scouty]

Maybe he's a bomb?

[Hinckley]

Maybe he's a bomb?

Then let's make palathdric vote for him.

Actually, I'll vote first if that's the way we're going to go. Yo soy vanilla...

[swils]

Pewter/Pala - having attention/impending lynch drawn away from him twice now

Campbell/Dakar - motive against Robbins/Peanuts, altering quote

Pewter/Pala - could have set up Campbell/Dakar to further draw attention away from himself

Campbell/Dakar - could be manipulating the suspicion that Pewter/Pala is having people draw attention for him in order to magnify suspicions about Pewter/Pala.

Oh, this wine is going straight to my head. I'm getting dizzy just trying to think about it.

[Hinckley]

Oh, this wine is going straight to my head. I'm getting dizzy just trying to think about it.

Same here. And I can't figure out which wine I was drinking! Was it the wine in front of me or the other glass?

[Shadows]

He's using it to make it seem like I suspected him early on, which he's using to defend himself with.

Ok, that's starting to look like something we can work with.

Same here. And I can't figure out which wine I was drinking! Was it the wine in front of me or the other glass?

Wine, wine, wine, it's all you ever do. Shut up and bend over, it's lonely out here in space.

[Tamamono]

So Campbell changed his quote, huh? I knew that guy was scum.

Of course.

The only reasons I can think of for his doing it are if he and Pewter are both Scum, and Pewter has some more important, non-inheritable role or if he, for one reason or another, got really desperate and hoped we wouldn't notice. (he could be the Jester, but that doesn't exactly help us in our reasoning since it basically justifies any Scum-tell)

No, he's new, that's exactly the sort of thing he'd pull. Hell, I've pulled it with PMs in previous games, and in a lengthy-ish day thread, he probably thought it would go unnoticed.

Those are the two things I thought of as well. Surely, Pie would know what he said. Palathdric must be the Godfather or something important. Do we get two lynches since we squandered yesterday?

We'll have to kill one and hopefully block the other one.

I honestly don't think the scum would try to cover for each other yet. I still stand by my belief that Pewter is town. I think it's likely that Campbell made a novice mistake as scum.

Either way, the only correct course of action here is to kill the almost confirmed scum - which is Campbell.

[Rufus]

Same here. And I can't figure out which wine I was drinking! Was it the wine in front of me or the other glass?

I drank both.

This quote-editing is bizarre. I can believe Campbell/Dakar did it hoping it wouldn't be noticed, but that's rather naive and I don't see what it gains. Perhaps it is indeed just part of a noob-scum flail.

I'm still somewhat surprised by the number of people who seem to be so sure that Pewter is town, though. We have two people who have behaved strangely. One is condemned for it; the other is let off with 'no scum would behave like that'.

We must lynch one of these two today. It probably doesn't matter which provided we are decisive.

[Palathadric]

Then let's make palathdric vote for him.

Actually, I'll vote first if that's the way we're going to go. Yo soy vanilla...

If you want me to vote first, I'd be happy to. If I die for the sake of us getting a scum, then that doesn't bother me. However, at this point, I don't feel that lynching me (and therefore finding out I was a town, albeit a useless one, as of now) would help in figuring out any other scum.

By the way, just for the record, I am vanilla. I understand that this doesn't help me any, but if lynching or vig-killing me would help to get rid of a scum, then you don't have to feel bad or like I was a PR or anything. Of course, I would prefer not to die.

My vote for now would go to Dakar A, and I think it's only logical to vote out someone who is quite obviously scum than someone who that person may have been trying to protect, but I could be wrong about this.

Honestly, though, I don't see why Dakar would have changed the PM otherwise, so I guess it doesn't help me much. I don't understand entirely why Tamo seems so convinced that I am town. Not that I mind though. This would make me think that he could possibly be scum trying to save someone who he thinks may be "another team" of scum. However, I am fairly certain (no proof though) that there is only one scum team, so Tamo should no, if he were scum, that I am indeed town.

I hope this cluster of words made some sense to someone.

[Scubacarrot]

Right. So there are two candidates for lynching: Pewter and Ensign "Dakar" Campbell. I think we should do everything we can to at least get a lynch today, I doubt we will be in a good position if we keep not lynching. Not saying that lynching innocents is better, but you know what I mean .

I am a bit hesistant still, though, since what if we are just directed to these two targets by the scum? If we focus too much on them, we might miss something obvious. Just saying.

Alright, for what I said earlier: Pewter and Campbell. I am leaning towards Campbell, at the moment, I am very much awaiting his defense on this things. Pewter is always goofy in these sort of things, but this is obviously a bit too much. I think he is just trying to very much trying to catch scum in his own way. Not saying it's very effective, but there you go.

[KotZ]

I'm starting to think it could be Campbell as well, but we need to hear his defense. If he turns out to be scum, there are multiple options to proceed where we could be confused. The scum could turn on him to save their cause and lynch or thy could come to his defense, which could turn out to reveal them unless they got more loyalists with them, thus makin any hard hitting town pushing for his lynch a target soon. I still think we need a lynch to go anywhere but we mut be careful.

[KotZ]

I'm starting to think it could be Campbell as well, but we need to hear his defense. If he turns out to be scum, there are multiple options to proceed where we could be confused. The scum could turn on him to save their cause and lynch or thy could come to his defense, which could turn out to reveal them unless they got more loyalists with them, thus makin any hard hitting town pushing for his lynch a target soon. I still think we need a lynch to go anywhere but we mut be careful.

[Fugazi]

I agree that lynching Ensign Pewter could be informative, if he turns out to be scum. The voting pattern yesterday would be put to good use. If he's not scum we will have learned nothing, but lost little if we are to believe him. I wish he would tell us that he's a Jester as I was inclined to think yesterday, but of course if it's the case he probably wouldn't be allowed to say so. And were he a Jester he would just keep on spouting nonsense today, I suppose? Unless there's another explanation for him joking so carelessly about being scum.

As for Ensign Campbell, I certainly look forward to a rational explanation for misquoting Lieutenant Wright. I'm not sure that the death of Ensign Robbins is linked in any way to his vote on Campbell yesterday, given that we don't know which side is to be blamed. It's not yet a clear-cut case against Campbell, which is why it's important that he comes back to us and explains his failing 'memory'.

[Dakar A]

No. He literally replaced his name in the quote. Why would someone do that?

Ensign Campbell (Dakar A), You blatantly re-wrote the wording of what you quoted when we still have the original post to reference. The arrow in your quote leads back to Pie's original statement.

I don't even understand what that would accomplish... Some reason to seem like an obvious lynch choice because palathdric is more valuable? Let's just start with that. Why did you change the quote, Campbell?

Because I was confused by this:

Sorry. I meant I'm sure Robbins was killed by the vig, but no, everything else has been referring to Campell.

I thought that he meant that everything in his post was bout me, except for the part about the vig, so I edited it for clarity.

Crap. I didn't realise how much chainging the post based on what Pie had said later would cause everyone else to suspect it. I honestly thought that I was helping with clarity, since the post seemed confusing to me, and so, instead of adding both posts (Which I should have), I simply changed the wording on the first one. (Also, I was up late, and that happened to be my last post of the night. I don't know weter tiredness had something to do with it, but I don't think my brain was working at full capacity ).

[Hinckley]

Crap. I didn't realise how much chainging the post based on what Pie had said later would cause everyone else to suspect it. I honestly thought that I was helping with clarity, since the post seemed confusing to me, and so, instead of adding both posts (Which I should have), I simply changed the wording on the first one. (Also, I was up late, and that happened to be my last post of the night. I don't know weter tiredness had something to do with it, but I don't think my brain was working at full capacity ).

So you honestly thought it was you who had been killed during the night phase?

[Dakar A]

So you honestly thought it was you who had been killed during the night phase?

No. I was quite confused by Pie's original statement, and seeing the correction made me think it was about me, so I used it in my defense to Brickdoctor. I thought that he meant that by killing Peanuts, the scum had meant for Me to look like a bad guy, and that's why I changed the name.

Other than a painfully obvious attempt to make his accusers seem like bad guys, I can't think of a much better reason to kill Mandel

In this statement, I thought he was refering to the lynch today, and that's why I changed it.

[Hinckley]

Maybe he's a bomb?

I really don't think there actually is a bomb. I really don't think there is one.

This quote-editing is bizarre. I can believe Campbell/Dakar did it hoping it wouldn't be noticed, but that's rather naive and I don't see what it gains. Perhaps it is indeed just part of a noob-scum flail.

If it was done on purpose, it doesn't seem to benefit him too much. Unless he wanted to start a case against Pie or something. It is just plain weird.

I'm still somewhat surprised by the number of people who seem to be so sure that Pewter is town, though. We have two people who have behaved strangely. One is condemned for it; the other is let off with 'no scum would behave like that'.

I can't find it, but someone said it somewhere and I agree:

The fact that the ever-absent George Harper (Dragonator), Thomas Hornby (Shadows) and Michael McAndrews (Tammo) all seem to be defending Pewter (Palathdric) and Harper and McAndrews didn't vote for him yesterday (Harper couldn't be bothered to vote at all) is worrisome. Let me break that down:

1. I'm suspicious that Harper (Dragonator), Hornby (Shadows) and McAndrews (Tammo) all are coming to Pewter's (Palathdric) defense.

2. They seem to be dismissing the case against him way too easily.

3. Harper and McAndrews were two of the players who didn't vote for palathdric yesterday.

I say we vote Pewter (palathdric) out.

[Tamamono]

If you want me to vote first, I'd be happy to. If I die for the sake of us getting a scum, then that doesn't bother me. However, at this point, I don't feel that lynching me (and therefore finding out I was a town, albeit a useless one, as of now) would help in figuring out any other scum.

If you vote first and you die, then he's not scum. Scum never have a bomb.

By the way, just for the record, I am vanilla. I understand that this doesn't help me any, but if lynching or vig-killing me would help to get rid of a scum, then you don't have to feel bad or like I was a PR or anything. Of course, I would prefer not to die.

Cool, then lynching you would be alright just to see the voting pattern.

I don't understand entirely why Tamo seems so convinced that I am town. Not that I mind though. This would make me think that he could possibly be scum trying to save someone who he thinks may be "another team" of scum. However, I am fairly certain (no proof though) that there is only one scum team, so Tamo should no, if he were scum, that I am indeed town.

You're town because you always joke around as town, and this 'defense' (it's more of a giving up, but whatever) makes me even more certain you're town.

I'm starting to think it could be Campbell as well, but we need to hear his defense. If he turns out to be scum, there are multiple options to proceed where we could be confused. The scum could turn on him to save their cause and lynch or thy could come to his defense, which could turn out to reveal them unless they got more loyalists with them, thus makin any hard hitting town pushing for his lynch a target soon. I still think we need a lynch to go anywhere but we mut be careful.

There is no reason for a townie to doctor a quote, so thus, there is no suitable defense he can give.

If it was done on purpose, it doesn't seem to benefit him too much. Unless he wanted to start a case against Pie or something. It is just plain weird.

I'm still somewhat surprised by the number of people who seem to be so sure that Pewter is town, though. We have two people who have behaved strangely. One is condemned for it; the other is let off with 'no scum would behave like that'.

Pewter's strange behavior is borderline trolling and is characteristic of him. Campbell's strange behavior has been blatantly trying to edit a quote in his favor. There's a big difference.

[Hinckley]

If you want me to vote first, I'd be happy to.

The bomb could be the deciding vote too, so why don't you take that vote? The 11th?

Again, I seriously doubt there is a bomb. Secondly, this is another reason I say we vote Pewter (Palathdric). It's easy to say that you'll vote first if you both are Scum and you know he's not a bomb.

Also, it's possible the real Scum are laughing at us for fixating on two Townies.

However, Dakar and Palathdric are both defending themselves from a place of getting themselves to the next day, not furthering the cause for the Town. I see no other attempt to help sort out what's going on in their responses. They're just plain defense posts. Usually, when a real Townie is accused, they can be seen to help postulate and figure out what is really going on. Scum, on the other hand, tend to just put up a self-centered defense and offer little else in the way of advancing the cause for the Town.

[Dakar A]

Campbell's strange behavior has been blatantly trying to edit a quote in his favor. There's a big difference.

I don't understand how I edited it to "be in my favor". I edited it because I thought it had a different meaning from the orignal, and changed it to fit Pie's clarification. If I were Scum, I would've left the quote alone, knowing how much attention it would bring me.

[Scouty]

Campbell's defense is not very convincing and I think he would make a very good lynchee for today. We can learn a lot from Pewter's lynching too, though, and after a weak defense, I'd support lynching him toda instead of Campbell. Let's just actually lynch somebody this time, ok?

I really don't think there actually is a bomb. I really don't think there is one.

I was thinking aloud and the thought popped into my head. I realize now that it was a silly idea .

[Dakar A]

However, Dakar and Palathdric are both defending themselves from a place of getting themselves to the next day, not furthering the cause for the Town. I see no other attempt to help sort out what's going on in their responses. They're just plain defense posts. Usually, when a real Townie is accused, they can be seen to help postulate and figure out what is really going on. Scum, on the other hand, tend to just put up a self-centered defense and offer little else in the way of advancing the cause for the Town.

Okay, then let's have a go at it/

So Campbell changed his quote, huh? I knew that guy was scum.

No, he's new, that's exactly the sort of thing he'd pull. Hell, I've pulled it with PMs in previous games, and in a lengthy-ish day thread, he probably thought it would go unnoticed.

I honestly don't think the scum would try to cover for each other yet. I still stand by my belief that Pewter is town. I think it's likely that Campbell made a novice mistake as scum.

Either way, the only correct course of action here is to kill the almost confirmed scum - which is Campbell.

This seems ridiculously certiant, even for a big mistake like mine. Knowing that I am Town, this leads me to suspect him. After one sentence, he's decided that I am Scum, without pausing to consider other possibilities. I know that if I were in his position, then I would at least take some time to consider other possibilities of explanations for my actions, and not come to that decision spontaneously, as he did.

[Hinckley]

Okay, then let's have a go at it/

This seems ridiculously certiant, even for a big mistake like mine. Knowing that I am Town, this leads me to suspect him. After one sentence, he's decided that I am Scum, without pausing to consider other possibilities. I know that if I were in his position, then I would at least take some time to consider other possibilities of explanations for my actions, and not come to that decision spontaneously, as he did.

"I'm not Scum, that guy is Scum." Close, but not exactly looking at the big Town picture... A for effort, though.

[Dakar A]

Also,

...I'm alive?

I mean, yes, good to see most of you here today. I'm the head of security, of course I'm alive. Pity about the ensigns, but we must go on.

I think the notion that there are two scum teams is a little ludicrous, there is quite clearly a scum killer and a vigilante. Let's not try to complicate things where there is nothing to be complicated about. I almost find it suspicious that certain people keep bringing up this two scum theory on such flimsy "proof", as if they are trying to mislead us all. Vigilantes make mistakes, it's why I always say to stick to the letter of the law and let Security deal with breaches of the peace, rather than taking matters into your own hands. I wish our Admiral thought like that, but no matter.

I am against a lynch for Ensign Pewter until a real reason is given. As I see it, the entire case against him is based on an intentional misinterpretation of a joking PM. Which is a rather odd way to cast a vote in my view.

...this. While nothing is brought up about me, he seems to be as fixated on the second Scum team as the people he is calling out for it. He is quick to protect Pewter, as Hinckley poited out, and is encouraging absolute certianty in the vote, which we all know is is next to impossible. He also roleplays quite a bit, bringing up his security role twice, and the Admiral, a NPC, once.

[Palathadric]

I agree that lynching Ensign Pewter could be informative, if he turns out to be scum. The voting pattern yesterday would be put to good use. If he's not scum we will have learned nothing, but lost little if we are to believe him. I wish he would tell us that he's a Jester as I was inclined to think yesterday, but of course if it's the case he probably wouldn't be allowed to say so. And were he a Jester he would just keep on spouting nonsense today, I suppose? Unless there's another explanation for him joking so carelessly about being scum.

I'm sorry to say that I'm not a joker, in-game at least, and, I suppose, because I'm telling you this, it proves that I really am not, right? There was a bit of a reason for my joking with DD, but it was mainly jest. The joke did not help me any, but to remain slightly suspicious of him.

I really don't think there actually is a bomb. I really don't think there is one.

If it was done on purpose, it doesn't seem to benefit him too much. Unless he wanted to start a case against Pie or something. It is just plain weird.

I'm still somewhat surprised by the number of people who seem to be so sure that Pewter is town, though. We have two people who have behaved strangely. One is condemned for it; the other is let off with 'no scum would behave like that'.

I can't find it, but someone said it somewhere and I agree:

The fact that the ever-absent George Harper (Dragonator), Thomas Hornby (Shadows) and Michael McAndrews (Tammo) all seem to be defending Pewter (Palathdric) and Harper and McAndrews didn't vote for him yesterday (Harper couldn't be bothered to vote at all) is worrisome. Let me break that down:

1. I'm suspicious that Harper (Dragonator), Hornby (Shadows) and McAndrews (Tammo) all are coming to Pewter's (Palathdric) defense.

2. They seem to be dismissing the case against him way too easily.

3. Harper and McAndrews were two of the players who didn't vote for palathdric yesterday.

I say we vote Pewter (palathdric) out.

There have actually been more than just two people behaving suspiciously. Even Darkdragon behaved oddly in that, if he really believed that I was telling the truth about my being scum, he only said so out loud, quite a while after I told him that. Although it's great to think that if I were scum than those three you mentioned must be scum as well. It is a bit unrealistic. If I really were scum they would be treading more of a middleground, I think, and wouldn't be so dismissive of me. On the contrary, since I am town, which can only really be proved through your lynching me, then, from your point of view, I would say there is more to worry about them.

I hope this made sense.

I think though, that some of them just honestly believe that I am town. I would like to think so, anyway.

Dakar seemed to edit the statement to gain sympathy for his "everyone is picking on me," deal, to explain his defensive stance. It does seem a pitiful thing for a scum to edit a post over though, which is one thing that makes me believe he may not, in fact, be scum, but I do still think he is our best option as of now.

Campbell's defense is not very convincing and I think he would make a very good lynchee for today. We can learn a lot from Pewter's lynching too, though, and after a weak defense, I'd support lynching him toda instead of Campbell. Let's just actually lynch somebody this time, ok?

I was thinking aloud and the thought popped into my head. I realize now that it was a silly idea .

Agreed. I would rather be lynched than have no one lynched once again today.

[Dakar A]

"I'm not Scum, that guy is Scum." Close, but not exactly looking at the big Town picture... A for effort, though.

How does this "big Town picture" look? As far as I can see, right now, there are two prime candidates for the lynch: Palathadric, and me. Even if we're both Mafia, there will still be other members of the Mafia. As far as we know, The Cop was able to investigate someone, but they have not published that result. There were tow kills in the night, Danylonglegs, and Peanuts. One of the kills was most likely a vigilante or SK, while the other one was Mafia. Which means that the mafia were not blocked. Unless either night victim was the blocker, the blocker did not target a mafia killer. Is that the entire picture, or I am I missing some peices?