Deathleech Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 Sorry there is no poll, I don't have the option to make one yet (mods, if you could attach a simple poll with a yes/no option that would be fantastic!) Anyways, I hear a number of people talking about the Orc Forge set as an army builder. Personally I don't really see it. I know we have yet to get a proper army builder set like those seen in the Star Wars line, but the Uruk-Hai Army set is at least somewhat of one. It has a good number of minifigures for $30 and it also has a horse, wall, and catapult you will want at least a few of. Sure it comes with Eomer, but I see a lot of people just using him as another Rohan grunt. What about the Orc Forge set though? This set comes with Lurtz who is also a named character and you really only need one of. Unlike Eomer, I feel it's harder to blend him in with an army and make him look like a regular grunt. His all brown/orange skin color and total lack of armor make him fairly noticeable. You can't really use armor from the other orcs in the Orc Forge set as that leaves them bald, w/o armor, or with Lurtz hair. I guess it's possible to combine the Orc Forge with a Uruk-Hai Army set and make 2 Uruk-Hai with the long black hair, only one with chest armor, and then give Lurtz the other chest armor and helm. Of course that doesn't change his skin color. Regardless of Lurtz, you only get three other orcs in the Orc Forge set for 40 bucks. This set was originally shown with 5 minifigs which would of made it significantly more appealing, but unfortunately they cut one of the minifigures out. Unlike the Uruk-Hai Army sets walls and catapults, you don't really need more than a few forges I feel. Don't get me wrong, the white hand on the helmets and shields is really cool and unique, and the Mordor Orcs also look fantastic, but for the price I just don't think it's very plausible to try and army build with this set. I am sure we will get many more sets with Mordor Orcs in the future and some may present better army building options. So my question is, do YOU view the Orc Forge set as an army builder? Why or why not? How do you feel about this set in general? Quote
CMP Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 I don't really view it as an army builder, but it's more plausible then, say, Weathertop or Shelob Attacks to get more than one, seeing as how Lurtz could pass off as a generic orc. Quote
Zardoz Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 I'm thinking about using the Mordor orcs as Moria orcs in Balins tomb. I have no trouble seeing Lurtz as a generic Uruk hai for the battle of Helms deep. Therefore I consider this set as an armybuilder. I also consider this set the weakest in the Lotr-line. Quote
Captain Settle Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 If you want too army build you buy Uruk-hai army, not orc forge. Simple as that. Quote
Bilbo Baggins Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 I think it has way too many pieces to be an army builder. The Uruk Hai army set if you can get it with some disccount it really works as an amaazing army builder. Quote
Deathleech Posted July 20, 2012 Author Posted July 20, 2012 If you want too army build you buy Uruk-hai army, not orc forge. Simple as that. I think people are using it more as an army builder for the Mordor Orcs than they are Uruk-Hai, since the UHA set is obviously the much better option for army building them. Quote
Combee Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 (edited) I think 4 figs for $40 is way too much for an army builder. As everyone else has said, getting 6 figs and a horse for $30 is a much better option for an army builder. Edited July 20, 2012 by Combee Quote
SheepEater Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 (edited) Since I only own 1 copy of every set (I got other themes to collect too! Like city and technic... and The Hobbit coming soon), I used all my orcs from the Orc Forge set to attack Helm's Deep. My 9476 came with 4 orc swords instead of just 3, so every minifig in the set has one. - The generic Uruk-Hai is wearing a full set: white hand shield, white hand helm, armor, sword. - The bald mordor orc, I gave him a white hand helmet, armor, and sword. - The mordor orc with hair, I game him a white hand shield and sword. - Lurtz is his normal self with hair & sword. I like how both Orc Forge and Helm's Deep come with enough swords to arm EVERY orc coming with the set, so even my Berserker Uruk-Hai wields one. But yeah, I know Lurtz died long before the Helm's Deep siege, and there were no Mordor Orcs there.... Edited July 20, 2012 by SheepEater Quote
BrickPicker Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 The LOTR theme makes for perfect "Battle Packs." You could have an Orc Battle Pack, Elf Battle Pack, Hobbit Battle Pack(LOL) and Men Battle Pack. I think they would be very popular. Quote
Brinstar Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 Its a nice set but with 4 figs for £40, I don't think it can be described as an army builder by any stretch of the imagination. There are much cheaper ways to build up your forces, at the moment the Urak Hai army is probably the best option. Quote
Deathleech Posted July 20, 2012 Author Posted July 20, 2012 The LOTR theme makes for perfect "Battle Packs." You could have an Orc Battle Pack, Elf Battle Pack, Hobbit Battle Pack(LOL) and Men Battle Pack. I think they would be very popular. They could go even further than that. They could have one for the Easterlings, Haradrim, Corsairs, Moria Orcs, Mordor Orcs, Gondor, Rohirrium, Rangers, Dwarves, and 1 or 2 for all the different kinds of elves. Quote
SheepEater Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 (edited) Hobbit Battle Pack(LOL) I'd LOVE a Hobbit Battle Pack! Along with the usual short-sword wielding, short cape clad hobbit, Put in the old gaffer and give him a shovel, wheelbarrow filled with 'taters and other vegetables to throw at Orcs! (In the spirit of the "Mill Village Raid" set). And some female hobbit peasants as well! I WANT FEMALE HOBBIT MINIFIGURES! :wub: Edited July 20, 2012 by SheepEater Quote
deskp Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 These particular "Mordor orcs" Aren't really the mordor orcs msot people seem to think. These are specificaly the worker orcs that works for Sauroman. They should not be part of any army outside of whatever you need for the Ent scene. I wouldnt not say orc forge should be a army building set. Quote
SheepEater Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 It's been said many times how the Orc Forge feels a little out of place among the 7 lotr sets. I have my own theory as to how Lego debated this. In their eyes, everything they produce has to appeal to little kids and little kids see things as "good guys vs bad guys". We already have a huge "good guys base" with Helm's Deep so the Orc Forge was the closest thing to a "bad guys base" they could do from the first two movies without producing an Isengard/Orthanc set. Quote
Deathleech Posted July 21, 2012 Author Posted July 21, 2012 These particular "Mordor orcs" Aren't really the mordor orcs msot people seem to think. These are specificaly the worker orcs that works for Sauroman. Good point. I wonder if when Lego gets around to doing some more RotK themed sets, if they will use the same Mordor Orcs or not? I mean technically they could and just give them some armor to go over their torsos and heads, since that's really all that differentiates the workers from soldier, but we will have to see what Lego opts to do. I think it would be kind of a shame not to see more of these orcs after only having them in one exclusive set. It's been said many times how the Orc Forge feels a little out of place among the 7 lotr sets. I have my own theory as to how Lego debated this. In their eyes, everything they produce has to appeal to little kids and little kids see things as "good guys vs bad guys". We already have a huge "good guys base" with Helm's Deep so the Orc Forge was the closest thing to a "bad guys base" they could do from the first two movies without producing an Isengard/Orthanc set. Interesting notion. I'm kind of surprised they didn't throw Sauramon in this set since he is seen there in movies overseeing production almost every time we see the orc forges. It seems weird Lurtz is the only named bad character we got in the first wave considering he has minimal screen time and dies right away. Quote
HumanPackMule Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 I'd LOVE a Hobbit Battle Pack! Along with the usual short-sword wielding, short cape clad hobbit, Put in the old gaffer and give him a shovel, wheelbarrow filled with 'taters and other vegetables to throw at Orcs! (In the spirit of the "Mill Village Raid" set). And some female hobbit peasants as well! I WANT FEMALE HOBBIT MINIFIGURES! :wub: Rosie Cotton Quote
Vindicare Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 There is an extra full set of armor Lurtz could wear. The only noticeable difference would be his legs. I'd rather hit up eBay with that $40 and just buy Orcs. Quote
SheepEater Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 It seems weird Lurtz is the only named bad character we got in the first wave considering he has minimal screen time and dies right away. Not true, Gollum and Shelob have names. And the cave troll is nameless, but is known as THE cave troll of moria and quite unique. I think most people would agree that the red Uruk-Hai with long hair (from set 9471) represents the leader of the attack on helm's deep. The one who stands on a rock. Doesn't have a name, but oh well. Quote
BrickPicker Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 They could go even further than that. They could have one for the Easterlings, Haradrim, Corsairs, Moria Orcs, Mordor Orcs, Gondor, Rohirrium, Rangers, Dwarves, and 1 or 2 for all the different kinds of elves. Showoff!!! LOL Quote
SheepEater Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 Don't forget a glow-in-the-dark Ghostly Soldier (Oathbreaker) battle pack! Quote
Falconer Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 I just wish I could use “White Hand” shields and helmets rather than the plain ones for all my Uruk-hai. There’s no reason it should be so expensive to accomplish that. This set would also be a good add-on to Orthanc, assuming there will be such a set someday. Together they could make a more complete Isengard tableau. Quote
SirBlake Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 Simply put: no, not an army builder. I just wish I could use “White Hand” shields and helmets rather than the plain ones for all my Uruk-hai. There’s no reason it should be so expensive to Agreed. Quote
TheDarkness Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 It isn't a good army builder at all. I am saving it for when I create a Orthanc setup :) And yes, it is disappointing that the White Hand isn't on all the Uruk armour across the theme! Quote
Deathleech Posted July 21, 2012 Author Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) Not true, Gollum and Shelob have names. And the cave troll is nameless, but is known as THE cave troll of moria and quite unique. I think most people would agree that the red Uruk-Hai with long hair (from set 9471) represents the leader of the attack on helm's deep. The one who stands on a rock. Doesn't have a name, but oh well. Gollum isn't evil in the traditional sense, he doesn't want to rule the world or kill everyone, he is just driven by his lust for the Ring. Shelbo has a name, sure, but she is nothing more than a big dumb creature, she isn't a scheming plotting entity. She has nothing to do with Sauron or the main power struggle going on throughout the trilogy. It's like saying Shadowfax is a main good character Edited July 21, 2012 by Deathleech Quote
Captain Settle Posted July 21, 2012 Posted July 21, 2012 Gollum isn't evil in the traditional sense, he doesn't want to rule the world or kill everyone, he is just driven by his lust for the Ring. He attempted to murder Frodo and actually succeeded in biting off his finger and also killed Deagol. Seem's evil to me. Quote
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