Excalibur 2.0: Day Four

[Waterbrick Down]

He's either a town bluffing (which I find difficult to believe), or he and Wright (the other neutral) were a team, another "faction". One was the role cop and the other is some killer or whatever. That's what I've picked up from this mess.

Oh, deary, look at me, talking to a stump that is pooping magical mushrooms!

I believe his trouble keeping his story straight is what proves he is actually a terrible bluffer and therefor town, remember if he's neutral than McAndrews is definately implicated as well, which is also a possibility in the other scenario but is at least less likely.

[Dragonator]

Who said anything about there being 5 scum?

If you don't know that then you didn't pay much attention to the entire Burbank lynch.

[Inconspicuous]

York's roleclaim makes no sense whatsoever. A Serial Killer who can give their ability to someone else and has to get night-killed to win? You have got to be kidding me.

I was the Serial Killer

Vigs night kill. They are town alligned. The Vig is me...

I meant that everyone thought I was the vigilante, it's kind of a phrase that sticks. Jeez, my bad.

Seriously? When your life is on the line, you can't expect us to believe that a huge difference in terminology was a simple slip-up.

I'm not going to give my ability to just anyone, I need to guarantee my night kill.

No. I give my power to whoever before I die.

The other confusing part about your roleclaim is WHEN the so-called action transfer takes place. In the first quote, it sounds like you have to make a pact with the person you're transferring it to first. In the second quote, it sounds like you automatically pass the action on to a person of your choice as soon as you're killed.

If you're going to make a crazy roleclaim like the one you've brought forth, you have to be consistent.

Furthermore, if you are this assassin/serial killer neutral, then why kill your buddy Wright?

I'd like to hear a good answer to this too.

We cannot afford to let the scum kill twice in one night, or we will have lost this ship before we have a chance to defend it.

I say he is bluffing and doesn't have a clue what he is doing.

You seem suspicious. Within a single post you heavily contradict yourself. You start by fearing the consequences of York siding with the scum, and then suddenly switch to a position of disbelief. What are you playing at?

[Scubacarrot]

York is not the vig. Just saying.

And I don't know. If that was really a town's attemp at trying to get scum to talk to you, it fails pretty damn hard. Making empty threats to the town is generally not a good way to do that, as well.

I don't see why Mcandrews is vouching for York, to be honest.

Holloway, let me get this straight, you are defending York on the basis she has created too much confusion today to be not-town?

And let's be honest, she does not know shit.

[Dragonator]

You seem suspicious. Within a single post you heavily contradict yourself. You start by fearing the consequences of York siding with the scum, and then suddenly switch to a position of disbelief. What are you playing at?

Heh, funny that you quote those completely out of context. The first was a statement that if what he says is true, then we can't let him give the scum an extra kill. The second was a statement that I felt he was bluffing by claiming he could give his action to the town. The second has already been noted as impossible considering the discussion since then. But thank you for your concern.

[Fugazi]

Ugh, I give you one job to do and you completely and utterly fail it.

OK guys, you can call off that lynch of York. She's town - I can vouch for her.

When she first started all this "I know the PRs - I'll tell the scum if you don't be nice to me!" I called her out for 'gamethrowing'. At that point she approached me with this message:

Hello.

I am town. The whole thing I am doing is a bluff. I am not neutral. The plan is to get the scum watching me, and maybe even contacting me.

I have proof I am town. The PR's.

All the PR's would be dead by now if I was scum. If you trust *removed* send this to him to.

This seemed fairly legitimate to me, so I decided to go along with it.

Wait a minute right there... I understand that York was trying to lure scum again by claiming to know all of the PRs and more weird things. Even if it was an ill-executed plan, there's nothing wrong about trying. But... the part about knowing all of the PRs appears, according to the quote above, in the original claim by York to McAndrews. I would like for York to confirm, do you actually know all of the known town PRs? That's a bizarre and unlikely claim, and without backing hardly a proof of towniness? I don't understand how McAndrews took this at face value -- fairly legitimate? Please tell me that you have at least tried to confirm York's allegiance?

I don't think that York is clear of suspicion for having participated in this sting. She used what seems to be a lie to convince McAndrews that she's townie. Added to what I mentioned about her yesterday, I think that this case is far from closed.

Given the conversations taking place since this theory was proposed, I think that scenario 1 is unlikely. It was an attractive one at first, but Burbank and York have done a good job fighting in what seems to me like a genuine argument. I don't think that they could fake this kind of argument convincingly.

Scenario 3 seems plausible, hence my vote goes for vote: Julius Burbank (Brickdoctor)

But I wouldn't dismiss scenario 4 so readily. Scum could try to defend a townie just because they know they're townie, and it would look good on their record later on. Look at it this way: Burbank was not under pressure, so York defending him wasn't going to spoil a lynch. Besides, York's intervention alone wouldn't have saved Burbank from a lynch. However, York could have used his defence of Burbank to a) show his unwillingness to jump on just any bait; and b) get in touch with Burbank and try to extract information from him -- which is what actually happened. Looking back at that conversation between Burbank and York, York looks just as scummy as Burbank. So although I support this lynch as a means to gather information, we shouldn't dismiss scenario 4 if Burbank happens to be innocent.

This may perhaps not be the best scum strategy, but York is not the most experienced crew member either, as he mentioned himself. York's defence of Burbank is the kind of small slip that even the most experienced scum team as a back-up won't be able to control.

[AwesomeStar]

Err, holy crap am I confused.

So despite whatever you want to call it, we know that York, although pitifully retarded, is town, as she declared the PRs. And we also know that Tammo is town because he recognised them.

Once again, no leads, and everyone is confused. Great!

The only thing I can think of is that Tammo could have bluffed recognising the PRs (if he were scum, which I don't really think he is), and told the enemy, in which case we're all in a far bit of bother. However, I think that's a bit too far-fetched.

[Scubacarrot]

Err, holy crap am I confused.

So despite whatever you want to call it, we know that York, although pitifully retarded, is town, as she declared the PRs. And we also know that Tammo is town because he recognised them.

Once again, no leads, and everyone is confused. Great!

The only thing I can think of is that Tammo could have bluffed recognising the PRs (if he were scum, which I don't really think he is), and told the enemy, in which case we're all in a far bit of bother. However, I think that's a bit too far-fetched.

Where did you hear that?? I have just heard he bluffed saying he knows who the power roles are. Not more...

[AwesomeStar]

Where did you hear that?? I have just heard he bluffed saying he knows who the power roles are. Not more...

Where did I hear what? I'm just responding to what Tammo posted.

[Rufus]

I don't think that York is clear of suspicion for having participated in this sting. She used what seems to be a lie to convince McAndrews that she's townie. Added to what I mentioned about her yesterday, I think that this case is far from closed.

Agreed. While I'm inclined to believe McAndrews's part in this, accepting that message from York at face value would be foolish.

If York does know the town actions, how in Bob's name does she know? If it's a bluff and she doesn't know, then the argument that the town roles are still alive proves that York isn't scum is megablocks. Actually, it's megablocks anyway, even if she does know.

York, if you are town, stop distracting everyone here and now, and tell us the truth, for Bob's sake.

[Capt.JohnPaul]

If York does know the town actions, how in Bob's name does she know? If it's a bluff and she doesn't know, then the argument that the town roles are still alive proves that York isn't scum is megablocks. Actually, it's megablocks anyway, even if she does know.

York, if you are town, stop distracting everyone here and now, and tell us the truth, for Bob's sake.

Yes. I do know the PR's.

What does the bold mean? Do you know something? I know the state of 3 power roles.

Fine, it was a fail sting.

Also, especially aimed at Dragonator and Shadows.:

The Pm's prove I'm town.

The roleclaim was supposed to sound ludicrous. I was clearly being a moron on purpose.

And you still want to vote for me?

[Scubacarrot]

Yes. I do know the PR's.

What does the bold mean? Do you know something? I know the state of 3 power roles.

Fine, it was a fail sting.

Also, especially aimed at Dragonator and Shadows.:

The Pm's prove I'm town.

The roleclaim was supposed to sound ludicrous. I was clearly being a moron on purpose.

And you still want to vote for me?

What PM's prove you are town???

If we are just going to have McAndrews word. Yeah... He has been wrong before.

Do freaking better. Send me the PM you send McAndrews, if you want to convince me.

[Capt.JohnPaul]

What PM's prove you are town???

If we are just going to have McAndrews word. Yeah... He has been wrong before.

Do freaking better. Send me the PM you send McAndrews, if you want to convince me.

Inviting you to the conversation right now.

[Scubacarrot]

Ok I got the PM's. McAndrews is an idiot, the PM's don't prove anything at all.

[Capt.JohnPaul]

Ok I got the PM's. McAndrews is an idiot, the PM's don't prove anything at all.

Yes they do. See my reply.

[Scubacarrot]

Yes they do. See my reply.

Nope.

If you want to know what is going on, apparantly he had been talking to someone, who knew the PR's. This someone trusted John Paul for whatever reason, which is why it's true when he says he knows the PR's, more or less.

But: This does not prove anything about his allegiance, now does it? If anything, it does the opposite. You see, John Paul knew the identity of the Watcher. You know what's funny? Donna, occupation: Watcher, mysteriously died last night. Right after he was told her role. Yeah, coincidence? Hell no.

I think he has been using the fake sting as a defense. His reasons "why she is town" are massively flawed. I know where my vote is going.

[Shadows]

I know the state of 3 power roles.

And if you're town, you'll keep your mouth shut, something you should have done before all of this nonsense.

Fine, it was a fail sting.

You and Pewter clearly went to the same school.

Also, especially aimed at Dragonator and Shadows.:

Don't know those two, but I have a feeling you might want to aim your replies at everyone with a brain, since those are the people you're most likely going to have a problem with.

The Pm's prove I'm town.

Somehow, I doubt that. Even if you are, there is no way you could prove it in a pm without cheating. Then again, after this display, anything is possible, huh?

The roleclaim was supposed to sound ludicrous. I was clearly being a moron on purpose.

Because that would be an effective way to trick the scum into revealing themselves to you, by acting like a moron. It's also why you were mad when we exposed your obvious lies, because you had intentionally acted like a moron, much like you're doing now. Seems legit.

And you still want to vote for me?

Yeah. You're dangerous and stupid, brain damaged like a fox.

[Dragonator]

Mmm, yeah nothing I'm seeing is convincing me that Ensign York is any help to the town at all. In fact quite the opposite, I still suspect that she is trying to back-pedal and claim town after her failed "sting". I suppose it is possible she is simply a complete loony, but I don't know...

[Capt.JohnPaul]

Nope.

If you want to know what is going on, apparantly he had been talking to someone, who knew the PR's. This someone trusted John Paul for whatever reason, which is why it's true when he says he knows the PR's, more or less.

But: This does not prove anything about his allegiance, now does it? If anything, it does the opposite. You see, John Paul knew the identity of the Watcher. You know what's funny? Donna, occupation: Watcher, mysteriously died last night. Right after he was told her role. Yeah, coincidence? Hell no.

I think he has been using the fake sting as a defense. His reasons "why she is town" are massively flawed. I know where my vote is going.

There is no point for scum to come out and shout "I know all the PR's!" Therefor, I'm town, and I was doing a sting.

Also, great job letting everyone know our Watcher is dead.

And if you're town, you'll keep your mouth shut, something you should have done before all of this nonsense.

Yeah, it's hard to get in contact with the scum if you don't say you're willing to release PR's.

[Scubacarrot]

There is no point for scum to come out and shout "I know all the PR's!" Therefor, I'm town, and I was doing a sting.

Also, great job letting everyone know our Watcher is dead.

Yeah, it's hard to get in contact with the scum if you don't say you're willing to release PR's.

Don't play me, they already know, because you told them. Nothing you say has yet to make me think you might be town, quite the opposite.

[Shadows]

Yeah, it's hard to get in contact with the scum if you don't say you're willing to release PR's.

The roleclaim was supposed to sound ludicrous. I was clearly being a moron on purpose.

The roleclaim was supposed to sound ludicrous. I was clearly being a moron on purpose.

The roleclaim was supposed to sound ludicrous. I was clearly being a moron on purpose.

Do I even need to say anything here?

[Scubacarrot]

Why else would they kill Donna except if they knew her role? She has not exactly been vocal or insightful in the thread...

[Rufus]

If York does know the town actions, how in Bob's name does she know? If it's a bluff and she doesn't know, then the argument that the town roles are still alive proves that York isn't scum is megablocks. Actually, it's megablocks anyway, even if she does know.

York, if you are town, stop distracting everyone here and now, and tell us the truth, for Bob's sake.

Yes. I do know the PR's.

What does the bold mean? Do you know something? I know the state of 3 power roles.

It means that if you didn't know who the town roles were, you couldn't use the argument that they are still alive to prove anything, and even if you did know, it doesn't prove anything.

Besides which, it appears they aren't all still alive, which if anything proves the opposite.

But: This does not prove anything about his allegiance, now does it? If anything, it does the opposite. You see, John Paul knew the identity of the Watcher. You know what's funny? Donna, occupation: Watcher, mysteriously died last night. Right after he was told her role. Yeah, coincidence? Hell no.

The roleclaim was supposed to sound ludicrous. I was clearly being a moron on purpose.

Achieving what, exactly?

You need to go. So long, scummo.

[Capt.JohnPaul]

I'm not even sure what to say here. I told the scum the PR's??? I only told Mcandrews and Scuba. I'm going to show up town, and I already sent my suspicions. Scuba, I'm really dissapointed in you, I'm sure the PM's are some sort of proof of my town. If you look at the time stamp of the PM's, you could tell this was all organized before I posted the ludicrous stuff. I'm not just suddenly planning it for a defense.

[Scubacarrot]

I'm not even sure what to say here. I told the scum the PR's??? I only told Mcandrews and Scuba. I'm going to show up town, and I already sent my suspicions. Scuba, I'm really dissapointed in you, I'm sure the PM's are some sort of proof of my town. If you look at the time stamp of the PM's, you could tell this was all organized before I posted the ludicrous stuff. I'm not just suddenly planning it for a defense.

Don't treat me as stupid. It's insulting.