DC Comics Cinematic Universe

[TheLegoExperience]

I too thought the references were obnoxious. But, do they even count as references? Because there was that whole commercial that has the whole "Before Catwoman" "Before Penguin" thing? The references are obvious even to the smallest Batman fan. What's next? A boy who likes reading about crocodiles, with someone saying he has "killer" knowledge? A small boy named Fries ironically saying that winter is his least favorite? Some guy just walking by drinking a bottle with giant letters saying VENOM?!

Sorry, had to vent there.

[BrickG]

This show is terrible. I usually have more to say. But no. Not worth it. Terrible.

Edited September 24, 2014 by BrickG

[K-Nut]

I don't get why everyone is making such a huge deal about the Joker tease. The creators have said that there's a character in each episode that could end up being the Joker, but they probably will never reveal it. I thought the Joker thing was interesting, but I can agree that other references were bad. Ivy added absolutely nothing to the story at all. You can make the same argument for Riddler, but I enjoyed that one. Also remember that there's only been one episode so far. The unnecessary references may have been just to hook people in. We've seen with Arrow, Smallville, and SHIELD along with just about every other show out there that the series rarely is exactly the same as the pilot. The pilot is just for them to test out the characters and get a network to pick up the show. Assuming it performs well (as Gotham evidently is), the showrunners can really do what they want.

[Kintobor]

I wouldn't say Gotham was bad, it was just... not good, or at least it didn't stand out to me. It was mediocre. The production values and the cast were fine, in fact the acting in general was really great, but the script and dialogue felt rather forced. "Penguin!" "Don't call me Penguin!" "What's your name?" Ivy." Why is this needed? New fans of Batman can probably clue in to who will eventually become who just by watching and being intuitive. I really believe in the show, don't tell philosophy, and I think we all would've clued into who Oswald Cobblepot was if they just let it play out without calling him "Penguin" everytime he showed up. It felt like a checklist. Is Alfred here? Yup, check, how about Poison Ivy? Yup, check, and the Riddler? He's here too, check; it didn't feel right.

Edward Nigma being a psychotic and troubled Professor Layton isn't as fun as an Edward Nigma who is more intelligent than others and feels as if others don't appreciate him for his genius ala Batman: the Animated Series. It was so strange seeing these campy characters next to this gritty Gotham backdrop. This in turn affected the action scenes for me. If I'm not invested in a character, the action scenes involving them mean squat, and so the action scene in the middle of the episode felt wasted.

Gotham as it stands, doesn't, so to speak. It doesn't stand out as being something really great or down right horrible, and that's probably the worst thing a story can be: mediocre. No one remembers mediocrity. A bad movie gets talked about, look at The Room, Birdemic, or anything on MST3K. A movie just in the middle doesn't, because what is there to say besides "it was okay." I don't think I'm going to continue watching the series, but if I catch the next episode I might.

[Oky]

This show is terrible. I usually have more to say. But no. Not worth it. Terrible.

Then why post at all? This adds nothing to the discussion. If you feels so strongly about it, at least tell us why you think it's so bad.

Honestly, for what it is, the show is alright. It's good to see that it doesn't make so many pointless references as it did in the pilot anymore, although we do still get the occasional unneeded Riddler cameo. Penguin is getting more and more delightfully psychotic and it's nice that we're starting to see the first attempts at vigilantism/super-villainy from Gotham's citizens, which goes against the common conception that Batman's villains were created because of Batman's existence. Instead, they are created because of how incredibly corrupt Gotham is, much like how Batman himself was, which I like. That way it doesn't seem like Bruce actually made things worse by becoming Batman and it justifies him becoming a vigilante even more.

The Flash premiere was pretty good too. It was pretty much what I expected, although I was hoping for the show to have a bit more humor as I'm used to from the Flash instead of some of the melodramatic moments. If nothing else, the effects were quite good for a superhero TV show. The "fight" with Weatherman was a bit anticlimactic as well (he was taken down far too easily in my opinion), so I hope the villain fights will improve in the future. The trailer for the rest of the season looked promising, so I look forward to the next episodes.

[Ceroknight]

Flash had an awesome pilot and Arrow had a brilliant season premiere.

Plus each Gotham episode gets better everytime so I'm not complaining!

[Ultron]

– Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, directed by Zack Snyder (2016)

– Suicide Squad, directed by David Ayer (2016)

– Wonder Woman, starring Gal Gadot (2017)

– Justice League Part One, directed by Zack Snyder, with Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill and Amy Adams reprising their roles (2017)

– The Flash, starring Ezra Miller (2018)

– Aquaman, starring Jason Momoa (2018)

– Shazam (2019)

– Justice League Part Two, directed by Zack Snyder (2019)

– Cyborg, starring Ray Fisher (2020)

– Green Lantern (2020)

Credit goes to Hypable for the info! And is it just me, or does this seem a little ambitious? Suicide squad? That could be suicide for the DCCU especially that early on. Also, very stupid move on DC's part by not linking the movie and TV universes. Idiots.

[Mr Man]

– Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, directed by Zack Snyder (2016)

– Suicide Squad, directed by David Ayer (2016)

– Wonder Woman, starring Gal Gadot (2017)

– Justice League Part One, directed by Zack Snyder, with Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill and Amy Adams reprising their roles (2017)

– The Flash, starring Ezra Miller (2018)

– Aquaman, starring Jason Momoa (2018)

– Shazam (2019)

– Justice League Part Two, directed by Zack Snyder (2019)

– Cyborg, starring Ray Fisher (2020)

– Green Lantern (2020)

Credit goes to Hypable for the info! And is it just me, or does this seem a little ambitious? Suicide squad? That could be suicide for the DCCU especially that early on. Also, very stupid move on DC's part by not linking the movie and TV universes. Idiots.

I have absolutely no interest in the DC universe now.

I'm binge watching Arrow now, watching Gotham as it happens, and I'll get to Flash soon. They seem to be going really well but the decision not to tie tie them to the films is frankly stupid .

If MoS has set the tone for the future, it looks dull, the early concepts for BvS (art and plot summaries) seem to follow the same dull tone as MoS.

It's a shame, because I really enjoyed the Dark Knight Trilogy and am really enjoying Arrow.

[The Legonater]

Suicide Squad is hardly the best thing to pull out so early on, especially with so little lead-up. Justice League movies so close to each other? I really don't know what DC is doing anymore.

[TheLegoExperience]

So it takes 4 years to make Aquaman and Flash and 6 years for Green Lantern but only 2 for Suicide Squad? A group that most casual moviegoers would know? What logic is that?

Edited October 15, 2014 by TheLegoExperience

[Zilcho]

Suicide Squad is hardly the best thing to pull out so early on, especially with so little lead-up. Justice League movies so close to each other? I really don't know what DC is doing anymore.

Idk, they might be able to pull off suicide squad sort of like Marvel's GotG... I'm looking forward to it anyhow.

[Borador]

Idk, they might be able to pull off suicide squad sort of like Marvel's GotG... I'm looking forward to it anyhow.

I doubt it. Guardians worked because MARVEL had already built a name for themselves with more popular characters first, so the brand name helped sell them. DC hasn't (and won't have) done that. So it's iffy. That's not to say it won't work, though, if its really good, I guess it could. Honestly, I know nothing about the Suicide Squad (nor do I care to, frankly) so I could be wrong.

To me, it makes sense that Aquaman is so late. Why? This is a character who's name is usually followed by "sucks" or "is lame" or something to that effect. Whether he is or is not lame or does or does not suck is irrelevant- when people think of him, they hear Raj from Big Bang Theory saying "Aquaman sucks" and that is a bad reputation that DC has to overcome. Waiting a little while to build a name for themselves makes sense (although, that begs the question- why the Suicide Squad so early?)

Flash probably got pushed back due to the CW Show. I think we all know why Green Lantern is so late.

To be honest, this list doesn't really interest me. I'll probably end up seeing them eventually, but I can wait. Frankly, I'll probably end up waiting longer than I have to simply because I don't care...

I'm thinking of giving Arrow another chance. I stopped after the first season because it seemed there were too many low points and too few high (The highs were quite nice. That arch with the mafia was pretty neat). Hearing all of these good reviews of it here make me want to give it another shot when I get the time. I'm not really big on the Flash, so I'm skeptical about watching that one, but perhaps I'll give it a chance. Gotham actually sounded interesting to me, so I'll have to catch up when I get the chance...

[rodiziorobs]

As an infrequent TV watcher, I'm not bummed about the different universes not coexisting, as it means I don't have to try and keep up with both. Besides, we got along forever before the MCU with nothing connected and did just fine, I see no reason that everything should suddenly tie in now. And as a final point, connectedness isn't always a good thing--after all, it means that somewhere out there in a corner of the awesome world of the MCU, there is the disappointing world of AoS.

IMO Man of Steel wasn't a bad movie, but it didn't really do much for me either. However, seeing DC put this list out there--thereby committing to these films and their lesser-known properties--shows a little confidence that maybe DC can pull this off. (Or that WB is so desperate for a franchise to fill Harry Potter's and Middle-Earth's shoes that they'll even take Aquaman.) I joke; I really think this will be a positive thing for the DCU.

[Ultron]

(Or that WB is so desperate for a franchise to fill Harry Potter's and Middle-Earth's shoes that they'll even take Aquaman.) I joke; I really think this will be a positive thing for the DCU.

Actually they're making more Harry Potter movies so there's really no void to fill there

[montgocloud]

I'm not buying for a second that DC/Warner Bros. will release all of these movies. They have a terrible track record of announcing and then cancelling films because they have no idea of where they want to take this franchise. They're walking in circles.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you.

That being said, if they do actually end up releasing at least some of them, I hope they steer clear of everything Man of Steel did: ditch Goyer, who is responsible for the asinine script, the brown and grey color pallet, the melodramatic tone, and the loud, obnoxious action.

Man of Steel was awful. The fact that Snyder and Goyer are returning for BvS and Justice League doesn't exactly give me high hopes for the future...

[Zilcho]

Watched Gotham's premiere. I really quite liked it. The acting was very good and the story seems to be quite good.

As for Suicide Squad, I think it will do quite well. Arrow has helped make names like Deathstroke and Deadshot quite popular. Throw in Harley Quin and another good villain and the team will be really strong for the screen. It will be a badass movie with lots of fighting and shooting and explosions and I think people will like that.

Edited October 16, 2014 by Zilcho

[adotnamedstud]

If DC saw that Marvel was making bank on making a proper movie universe I think that DC would've started with Batman Begins. Dark Knight fit in well too as they weren't too realistic but took itself too seriously which is good. It's a critical miss by DC to have started the game so late. And the fact that they are having Wild Card actors in roles that we already had a perfect performer for. I also believe that DC was stupid by letting the guy who butchered Watchmen which could've been the GotG equivalent if made by another director. The only way they can redeem themselves is giving strong well known actors the roles of the Justice League. Hell, Ryan Goselling is a great choice for Flash not Ezra Miller. Matt Damon as Green Lantern would be great so we could have good relationships with the actors because they all know each other well and they could all get along well. I'd like seeing Matt Damon say something ridiculous during a JL movie and see Superman, Flash, or Batman smirk. But props to DC for their Cyborg casting. Oh yeah. He's an actor I can't wait to see nail a great character and own it. I'm fine with the TV Universe being separate because if you look at AoS, you don't need to watch the show because the movies already show you what's going on. DC has so much wasted potential though. Geez, they need to get their acts together because with a universe that has so much hope and such differing characters all joining a team is really better than the Avengers. Man of Steel was DC's equivalent to The Incredible Hulk but hopefully Dawn of Justice will be their 'Iron Man'. And no matter what opinions you may have about this statement I'm about to make trust me it'd be smart to have Kevin Smith kinda help. Although none of his movies other than Clerks have been instant hits I'd like him Scott Snyder and/or Geoff Johns kinda steer where the DCCU should be going. That's something critical MARVEL doesn't have but it'd be good to see a respected comic book writer (Geoff Johns/Scott Snyder) and the biggest DC Fan (Kevin Smith) work on these movies. I don't think that MARVEL would stand a chance if we had these writers do their jobs rather than Goyer.

Just my rambling.

Edited October 16, 2014 by NuffSaid1996

[Zilcho]

^ I never really liked Bale as Bruce Wayne. I'm quite optimisitc for Batfleck

[rodiziorobs]

ditch Goyer

Amen.

[Ultron]

Geez, they need to get their acts together because with a universe that has so much hope and such differing characters all joining a team is really better than the Avengers. Man of Steel was DC's equivalent to The Incredible Hulk but hopefully Dawn of Justice will be their 'Iron Man'. And no matter what opinions you may have about this statement I'm about to make trust me it'd be smart to have Kevin Smith kinda help. Although none of his movies other than Clerks have been instant hits I'd like him Scott Snyder and/or Geoff Johns kinda steer where the DCCU should be going. That's something critical MARVEL doesn't have but it'd be good to see a respected comic book writer (Geoff Johns/Scott Snyder) and the biggest DC Fan (Kevin Smith) work on these movies. I don't think that MARVEL would stand a chance if we had these writers do their jobs rather than Goyer.

Just my rambling.

Not to turn this into a Marvel vs DC thing because those are so annoying, but as a fan of both properties, I think you need to cut Marvel some slack. I personally don't believe the scripting would even be better than Marvels with high profile comic book writers like that. It's not always so easy to translate a dialogue in a book directly to tv and have it work. Plus Marvel has really good scripting. So, just let the universes coexist. One doesn't have to be better than the other. They're in different places, so there's no real comparison until DC has an intertwining universe which won't be for a few years.

[adotnamedstud]

Not to turn this into a Marvel vs DC thing because those are so annoying, but as a fan of both properties, I think you need to cut Marvel some slack. I personally don't believe the scripting would even be better than Marvels with high profile comic book writers like that. It's not always so easy to translate a dialogue in a book directly to tv and have it work. Plus Marvel has really good scripting. So, just let the universes coexist. One doesn't have to be better than the other. They're in different places, so there's no real comparison until DC has an intertwining universe which won't be for a few years.

Well, definitely. I might have put it across as Marvel sucks, they don't as I highly enjoy their movies. I just think that if we had comic writers kinda guide the universe to where it needs to go would be preferable. I hope we all agree that Goyer and Snyder are the main problems to this huge universe they hold in their hands. But it's really more Goyer than Snyder as Snyder really just follows the script and then adds some visuals. Anyways. I guess we'll just see where this goes for both franchises. I know I'll be watching all the Marvel and DC movies. I'm just a bit off the fence on the DC side.

[Ultron]

Well, definitely. I might have put it across as Marvel sucks, they don't as I highly enjoy their movies. I just think that if we had comic writers kinda guide the universe to where it needs to go would be preferable. I hope we all agree that Goyer and Snyder are the main problems to this huge universe they hold in their hands. But it's really more Goyer than Snyder as Snyder really just follows the script and then adds some visuals. Anyways. I guess we'll just see where this goes for both franchises. I know I'll be watching all the Marvel and DC movies. I'm just a bit off the fence on the DC side.

I understand! Sorry if I came off as rude. Marvel has been pretty good to me so I'm pretty loyal when it comes to them My main hope is that Marvel/DC can both keep raising the bar and we get two super awesome universes. But first...get rid of Snyder and Goyer

[adotnamedstud]

I understand! Sorry if I came off as rude. Marvel has been pretty good to me so I'm pretty loyal when it comes to them My main hope is that Marvel/DC can both keep raising the bar and we get two super awesome universes. But first...get rid of Snyder and Goyer

Nah it's good and I agree completely!

[rosalind14]

Robin as a girl....!

[Faefrost]

I gotta ask looking at those movies and also looking at the conflicting madness that is their (far superior) television universe. Is something seriously broken in DC's Brand control department? see at least over in Marvel they have their TV Universe solidly under the same aegis as their movies. So whatever appears on the small screen may cross back to the big screen consistently and vice versus. It's a gimmick and AoS suffers a bit for it, but it means that the general public has clearly recognizable versions of the characters to work with. Marvel understands that the viewers can separate say animated Spiderman from Sony Spiderman and to avoid conflict or confusion avoids thing sthat come too close (ie Spider woman).

But DC? I mean they are planing a Suicide Squad movie? They just had SS in Arrow, using major recurring characters. And they look to be bringing Tom Hardy back in Suicide Squad... but not as Bane? This is what as known as a Hollywood cluster fluq. And it looks like it is running up and down the DCU plans?