The Hobbit movies discussion

[Palathadric]

The goblin king was awesome.

[General Magma]

8 months, 7 pages and nobody really discussed the original subject of the topic

I'll be blunt: do you think Fili & Kili will die at the battle of the five armies.

Knowing Peter Jackson, their survival is plausible. After all, Azog lives, and in his LOTR movies Haldir dies.

Not really, keeping them alive would screw up continuity, since Dain Ironfoot is supposed to be crowned king, not Fili nor Kili

what with Thorin's death. There's no point in keeping Kili and Fili alive either, when they would originally die.

Edited March 13, 2013 by General Magma

[Leo604]

The goblin king was awesome.

I beg to differ, he was probably the worst thing about the movie.

[Lord Rahl of Clannad]

They'll die. Hope we aren't spoiling it for people though. :/ Azog (sp?) hasn't died yet but I bet he does at the battle of five armies. Haldir was already way outside of his place in the books. Considering his presence at Helmsdeep, I don't find it surprising he died. Plus, he was not really a significant character in the books. Changing Fili and Kili's fate would be taking a much greater liberty in my opinion. I'm just glad I won't be seeing that wretched goblin king in the rest of the trilogy.

I highly doubt that we are spoiling anything to anyone who is reading this topic. While there is a possibility, I don't think that it is very likely. I generally expect Fili and Kili to do; I doubt that even Peter Jackson would change that. If he did, that would completely mess up the continuity of it all.

[Mr Man]

The goblin king was awesome.

Agreed, great singing voice .

[The Legonater]

The goblin king was awesome.

Agreed, I don't get the hate - I loved the great goblin.

[Leo604]

To tell you the truth, guys, I think I would've enjoyed An Unexpected Journey on a much higher level had it not been for the asinine behaviour of the Misty Mountain goblins, or if they had been as menacing as Azog's group or the LOTR orcs we've seen in the past. Just watching the ridiculousness of the Goblin King's speech and the way he died ("Yep; that would do it") gave me a minor headache (I'm probably exaggerating here but still).

Then again this was probably aimed towards a lower age group audience and was obviously intended to be a lot lighter and comedic so I can't completely blame Jackson for that.

[The Legonater]

Frankly, that was always the way I had imagined the goblins when reading the Hobbit. It was spot-on, for me.

[The_Chosen_1]

^ Agreed. The Goblins in the book never came across as quite so nasty as other goblins/orcs in Middle-earth.

[Leo604]

Frankly, that was always the way I had imagined the goblins when reading the Hobbit. It was spot-on, for me.

Physically he was sort of the along of the lines of what I had thought; the personality was just what got to me.

[Str0ngbad]

Physically he was sort of the along of the lines of what I had thought; the personality was just what got to me.

Exactly. There was nothing in the book to make me think of the Goblin King as flamboyant or comically eloquent. I understand trying to give The Hobbit a less serious feel than LOTR but that was overkill. I didn't get a headache but I definitely winced and squirmed uncomfortably in my seat.

[Mr_Malfoy]

^ Agreed. The Goblins in the book never came across as quite so nasty as other goblins/orcs in Middle-earth.

Same here. In the book, the Goblins were almost comical. I thought the actor playing the Goblin King did a great job (except for the fact that I thought of Bruce the Shark from "Finding Nemo" every time he spoke )

[Lord Rahl of Clannad]

I thought the actor playing the Goblin King did a great job (except for the fact that I thought of Bruce the Shark from "Finding Nemo" every time he spoke )

Is that a bad thing ? I always found Bruce from Finding Nemo to be a very amusing character without overdoing it. The Goblin King wasn't bad but he wasn't good either. His "humour" was quite cringeworthy and a tad annoying IMO. Oh well, he was only a small threat on the journey and he won't be returning, so it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

[Marvelfan120]

the Goblin king was okay but I think he could have been a lot better. I thought his face looked a lot like many other faces from previous animations and his personality was too... fun...

[BlueberryWaffles]

On the Hobbit AUJ Blu-Ray it shows that there is a live Internet event with PJ showing off some footage of DOS.

[Faefrost]

It must be said. The Hobbit, An Unexpected Journey, is vastly improved by watching it on BluRay or DVD. If just for the ability to pause it to go use the bathroom somewhere around Goblintown. The absence of the nausea inducing 48 FPS (or the fact that our eyes are more accustomed to it on TV) is also a great benefit.

[The_Chosen_1]

^ I actually agree with you quite a bit. Oddly enough, I found that viewing the film from the comfort of home also helps remove some of the high expectations for the film. It's easier to just sit back, relax, and enjoy the film.

[Leo604]

I think people in general (or maybe just critics/Rotten Tomatoes' 65% rating) would've enjoyed the movie more if it wasn't constantly being compared to the LOTR trilogy. A bunch of reviews I had after watching the movie were basically written on that premise.

[The Legonater]

I think people in general (or maybe just critics/Rotten Tomatoes' 65% rating) would've enjoyed the movie more if it wasn't constantly being compared to the LOTR trilogy. A bunch of reviews I had after watching the movie were basically written on that premise.

That's definitely an issue. This isn't Star Wars, where it's all part of one linear storyline. LotR and the Hobbit are different stories, even if they are in the same continuity. They have entirely different moods, plotlines, and take place in different parts of Middle-Earth. Comparing them is a dumb idea.

[Fives]

The Great Goblin, to me, was a very strong part of the film. His appearance was perfect, and his personality was awesome! While he may be seen as comical, his more light hearted nature makes him more of a fearsome villain. The fact that he wasn't really angry, and was excited and singing about the torture of the dwarves adds to his evil nature. Plus, he wasn't actually a true enemy of Thorin, unlike Azog, therefore giving the GG less reason to be super angry or vengeful. And he also seemed like the sort of ruler who just sits in his throne all day and eats, and enjoys his life, so he would always be in a pretty good mood.

[The_Chosen_1]

I'm not sure I agree with you, Legonater. You're 100% correct in terms of the novels, so I can see where you're coming from. But it's pretty clear that Peter Jackson intends for these to flow with the Lord of the Rings films - hence the prologue with Old Bilbo and Frodo, mentions of Sauron, appearances from familiar characters ala Galadriel and Saruman, and so on. Peter Jackson's films have become one big "saga" of Middle-earth.

Your comparison with Star Wars, although true to a certain extent, is also reflected in the Middle-earth films. When all is said and done, people will probably look at the two trilogies as being very different from one another in tone and subject matter; nevertheless, they both tell parts of one larger story - very similar to the way Star Wars has operated.

Edited March 21, 2013 by The_Chosen_1

[Faefrost]

I kind of enjoyed some of the more light hearted silliness to the main villains in the Hobbit movies. The Trolls were great. The Goblins were close to how I always imagined them (well ok, Dame edna was certainly not in my imagination.) I think the jarring shifts in tone came more from the deviations from the source materials. The Azog stuff with the Dwarves being hunted. It didn't gel quite as well. I think Jackson would have been better to keep most of this movie light and then slowly creep the darkness in over the three films until you get to 5 armies. It's not perfect. But still better than most other stuff I have watched this season. And in comparrison to LotR, Not as Good as FotR or RotK, but on par or better than TT. If only the editing team could have trimmed out about 40 minutes of Dwarf's running, and running and running. It's like a bloody New Zealand travelogue.

[Darth Lurtz]

First scene revealed:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=76339

[Leo604]

It got taken down. :(

[Pigbrick]

Can any of you kind people help me with a question? Can any of you who got the Target Blu Ray/DVD tell me what's exactly The Hobbit: Behind the Scenes addition on the DVD is? Like, what's all the information that they cover and details. I just want to make sure what it is before buying it .