Darkdragon Posted July 27, 2012 Posted July 27, 2012 I spend all day securing the ship against these scummy bastards and come back to this? Very disapointed with you guys just jumping on the bandwagon like this without giving me a chance to even reply. Was I targeted for a kill last night? No clue, I didn't get a message saying I'd been saved from certain doom...so I supose we have only the so-called "vig" word to go by here. By the way, if you really are the vig and really did target me last night...not cool dude. You can see just by the results of the night that I'm not a scum killer or blocker, or else I'm sure someone would have surely died. Without any power, how could I be scum? That's the question, because (since we are quoting simulation things these days) there were no non-PR scumsters in the simulation! Like I've told some people who asked me already, I'm just a vanilla townie with no PR. I'm not as good as some of you when it comes to sluething around and making theories, also not being a fan of PMs makes it even more difficult for me to form the coherent ideas and present them here logically. So, with that I am pretty quiet, admittedly, and only speak up when I feel I have something to contribute. Now back to the question at hand, if I was indeed targeted by the vig (or scum killer): Why would the scum protect a townie? How about so that I'd be tossed out as a quick and easy day lynch? As far as evil plans go, that is pretty clever. The bandwagon brigade marches out saying "oh hahaha you were protected by non-town therefore you are scum!" and everyone grabs a coat tail and hangs on for the ride. Ingenious, really, on the part of the scum team. I must say bravo for the surprise lynching and using the "town core" to do it? Wow, that takes some balls. For any of you tl;dr kiddies, I'll summarize: I am a vanilla townie who has been doing what I can for town and now I've been set up for lynching by the scum team. All they had to do was protect me one night and now I'm dead meat. I spend all day securing the ship against these scummy bastards and come back to this? Very disapointed with you guys just jumping on the bandwagon like this without giving me a chance to even reply. Was I targeted for a kill last night? No clue, I didn't get a message saying I'd been saved from certain doom...so I supose we have only the so-called "vig" word to go by here. By the way, if you really are the vig and really did target me last night...not cool dude. You can see just by the results of the night that I'm not a scum killer or blocker, or else I'm sure someone would have surely died. Without any power, how could I be scum? That's the question, because (since we are quoting simulation things these days) there were no non-PR scumsters in the simulation! Like I've told some people who asked me already, I'm just a vanilla townie with no PR. I'm not as good as some of you when it comes to sluething around and making theories, also not being a fan of PMs makes it even more difficult for me to form the coherent ideas and present them here logically. So, with that I am pretty quiet, admittedly, and only speak up when I feel I have something to contribute. Now back to the question at hand, if I was indeed targeted by the vig (or scum killer): Why would the scum protect a townie? How about so that I'd be tossed out as a quick and easy day lynch? As far as evil plans go, that is pretty clever. The bandwagon brigade marches out saying "oh hahaha you were protected by non-town therefore you are scum!" and everyone grabs a coat tail and hangs on for the ride. Ingenious, really, on the part of the scum team. I must say bravo for the surprise lynching and using the "town core" to do it? Wow, that takes some balls. For any of you tl;dr kiddies, I'll summarize: I am a vanilla townie who has been doing what I can for town and now I've been set up for lynching by the scum team. All they had to do was protect me one night and now I'm dead meat. I spend all day securing the ship against these scummy bastards and come back to this? Very disapointed with you guys just jumping on the bandwagon like this without giving me a chance to even reply. Was I targeted for a kill last night? No clue, I didn't get a message saying I'd been saved from certain doom...so I supose we have only the so-called "vig" word to go by here. By the way, if you really are the vig and really did target me last night...not cool dude. You can see just by the results of the night that I'm not a scum killer or blocker, or else I'm sure someone would have surely died. Without any power, how could I be scum? That's the question, because (since we are quoting simulation things these days) there were no non-PR scumsters in the simulation! Like I've told some people who asked me already, I'm just a vanilla townie with no PR. I'm not as good as some of you when it comes to sluething around and making theories, also not being a fan of PMs makes it even more difficult for me to form the coherent ideas and present them here logically. So, with that I am pretty quiet, admittedly, and only speak up when I feel I have something to contribute. Now back to the question at hand, if I was indeed targeted by the vig (or scum killer): Why would the scum protect a townie? How about so that I'd be tossed out as a quick and easy day lynch? As far as evil plans go, that is pretty clever. The bandwagon brigade marches out saying "oh hahaha you were protected by non-town therefore you are scum!" and everyone grabs a coat tail and hangs on for the ride. Ingenious, really, on the part of the scum team. I must say bravo for the surprise lynching and using the "town core" to do it? Wow, that takes some balls. For any of you tl;dr kiddies, I'll summarize: I am a vanilla townie who has been doing what I can for town and now I've been set up for lynching by the scum team. All they had to do was protect me one night and now I'm dead meat. I'm sorry about the multipost there, network freaked out and EB wouldn't even work right.
Capt.JohnPaul Posted July 27, 2012 Posted July 27, 2012 You could've been another PR role for the scum. Ohhhh!! I see, you must be town because it would be clever for scum to protect town to lynch them. So basically, your defense is based on it would be clever. Also, seriously, get new hair to better mach your face. You look horrible.
Scouty Posted July 27, 2012 Posted July 27, 2012 I spend all day securing the ship against these scummy bastards and come back to this? Very disapointed with you guys just jumping on the bandwagon like this without giving me a chance to even reply. Was I targeted for a kill last night? No clue, I didn't get a message saying I'd been saved from certain doom...so I supose we have only the so-called "vig" word to go by here. By the way, if you really are the vig and really did target me last night...not cool dude. You can see just by the results of the night that I'm not a scum killer or blocker, or else I'm sure someone would have surely died. Without any power, how could I be scum? That's the question, because (since we are quoting simulation things these days) there were no non-PR scumsters in the simulation! It is an err to expect the exact same from the simulation, so a vanilla scum may be possible. Still, though you may not be the killer, the blocker, or even the scum protector, that still leaves you with possibly being the scum watcher. That makes 5 scum, which I think has become the general consensus of how many Purists there are (Minus scummy Gordon, of course). Like I've told some people who asked me already, I'm just a vanilla townie with no PR. I'm not as good as some of you when it comes to sluething around and making theories, also not being a fan of PMs makes it even more difficult for me to form the coherent ideas and present them here logically. So, with that I am pretty quiet, admittedly, and only speak up when I feel I have something to contribute. Usually when you do contribute something, it's generally been a summarization, and last time, I recall, a summarization that was somewhat outdated. Now back to the question at hand, if I was indeed targeted by the vig (or scum killer): Why would the scum protect a townie? How about so that I'd be tossed out as a quick and easy day lynch? As far as evil plans go, that is pretty clever. The bandwagon brigade marches out saying "oh hahaha you were protected by non-town therefore you are scum!" and everyone grabs a coat tail and hangs on for the ride. Ingenious, really, on the part of the scum team. I must say bravo for the surprise lynching and using the "town core" to do it? Wow, that takes some balls. The only reason the scum would protect you, as a "townie", was if there was a leak in the town block, alerting them to the plans. There's no other logical reason for the scum to protect you, out of 10 people, on the very slim chance that you might be targeted. Thy'd have to know you were being targeted, they'd have to know we'd even assume things will fall as they did fall. Your being set-up sounds like a 1 in a couple thousand chance in actually working. Nu-uh, you're a Purist and you're not evading your friend Gordon's fate this time. For any of you tl;dr kiddies What does that mean There's too many acronyms in this game...of life !!
swils Posted July 27, 2012 Posted July 27, 2012 You could've been another PR role for the scum. Ohhhh!! I see, you must be town because it would be clever for scum to protect town to lynch them. So basically, your defense is based on it would be clever. Also, seriously, get new hair to better mach your face. You look horrible. I know you're trying to be funny, but you should really just... not. The stump saved you from certain death (/shakesfist), and you've just been a smug annoyance since then.
Rufus Posted July 27, 2012 Posted July 27, 2012 That might be a contender for the scummiest post evah. Why would the scum protect a townie? How about so that I'd be tossed out as a quick and easy day lynch? As far as evil plans go, that is pretty clever. It strikes me that if the scum really wanted you dead they could simply not have protected you. Or just killed you. You can see just by the results of the night that I'm not a scum killer or blocker, or else I'm sure someone would have surely died. I don't recall anyone suggesting that. But the one thing that worried me about the original accusation was: why didn't the scum block the vig? And the only logical answer I can think of was that the scum blocker was blocked. I spend all day securing the ship against these scummy bastards and come back to this? Really? I must have missed that.
Scouty Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 I don't recall anyone suggesting that. But the one thing that worried me about the original accusation was: why didn't the scum block the vig? And the only logical answer I can think of was that the scum blocker was blocked. Oooh , that's a very good point. I was ruling out blocker since I assumed the vig was blocked, but the recent evidence now makes her either the scum blocker or the scum watcher, two very good roles to get rid of !
Capt.JohnPaul Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 I know you're trying to be funny, but you should really just... not. The stump saved you from certain death (/shakesfist), and you've just been a smug annoyance since then. What?? Trying to be funny? What are you talking about?
Rufus Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 For any of you tl;dr kiddies What does that mean There's too many acronyms in this game...of life !! It can be traced back to a post by McAdenoids which I can't find now. I thought initially it was just a ham-fisted typo, but apparently it is a legitimate way of communicating via t'internets.
Scouty Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 Oh, it means "too long, didn't read". Well, quite frankly, minus the multiple repostings, it wasn't that long of a read/defense At least compared to some very big Dragonator-esque essays we've seen before
Shadows Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 I like seeing another well thought out vote after the one yesterday, it shows that we're finally working together as a town. I've seen all of the evidence already and could care less what lying defense is presented to attempt to misdirect us, so without hesitation: Vote: Ensign Toby Rockford (darkdragon)
Inconspicuous Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 That's the question, because (since we are quoting simulation things these days) there were no non-PR scumsters in the simulation! A godfather counts as a non-PR scum, no? There certainly was a godfather in the simulation (I would know!) Unless we have reason to believe that Gordon was the godfather this time, we can't rule out the possibility that you're the godfather. There's no other logical reason for the scum to protect you, out of 10 people, on the very slim chance that you might be targeted. In my eyes, this simple statement brings Rockford's entire defense crashing down.
Waterbrick Down Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 I think Daly made some of the best points and combined with McAndrew's original revalation I'm willing to vote: Ensign Toby Rockford (darkdragon). I don't recall anyone suggesting that. But the one thing that worried me about the original accusation was: why didn't the scum block the vig? And the only logical answer I can think of was that the scum blocker was blocked. If I may however, why would the scum block the vig and protect their team-mate, it seems a little over the top, thus I think either one or the other happened. Since it seems like the Vig's target was protected due to the night result's wording, we should assume the latter. It doesn't mean that she isn't the scum-blocker, but it does mean that she probably didn't block the vig (if it's a point worth distinguishing to begin with ).
Fugazi Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 There's no other logical reason for the scum to protect you, out of 10 people, on the very slim chance that you might be targeted. Thy'd have to know you were being targeted, they'd have to know we'd even assume things will fall as they did fall. This is true, but even if Rockford is scum it is still worrying. The scum protected the very target who was supposed to die last night? The odds are probably better (1 in 4 or so) but I'm still surprised that they would guess correctly.
Scouty Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 This is true, but even if Rockford is scum it is still worrying. The scum protected the very target who was supposed to die last night? The odds are probably better (1 in 4 or so) but I'm still surprised that they would guess correctly. They were either lucky, or somebody that wasn't supposed to know was alerted that darkdragon would be targeted. I'm trying to see if the latter is possible.
Bob Posted July 28, 2012 Author Posted July 28, 2012 Vote Tally: Ensign Rockford / darkdragon: 12 (Tamamono, Rufus, Scouty, fhomess, Capt.JohnPaul, Masked Builder, Fugazi, swils, Inconspicuous, AwesomeStar, Shadows, Waterbrick Down)
Darkdragon Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 I don't think it is fair to string me up over a night action that "may" have happened as you think. All these sheep, you will all vote to lynch anybody at this point no matter how circumspect the case against them is. Well, honestly you have all been doing it the whole time. Everyone is afraid of saying anything because it will get them a target on thier backs and the experianced people hardly bother to play at all. Rediculous. I'm not going to roll over and take this kind of ganging up on me just because I didn't get killed by the "vig" last night. You have no real proof and you are grasping at straws. Just the fact you waited until voting started to even bring it up at all shows that you know you don't have a solid case against me. Vote: Lieutenant Thomas Hornby,chief cartography officer (Shadows)
Capt.JohnPaul Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 I don't think it is fair to string me up over a night action that "may" have happened as you think. All these sheep, you will all vote to lynch anybody at this point no matter how circumspect the case against them is. Well, honestly you have all been doing it the whole time. Everyone is afraid of saying anything because it will get them a target on thier backs and the experianced people hardly bother to play at all. Rediculous. I'm not going to roll over and take this kind of ganging up on me just because I didn't get killed by the "vig" last night. You have no real proof and you are grasping at straws. Just the fact you waited until voting started to even bring it up at all shows that you know you don't have a solid case against me. Vote: Lieutenant Thomas Hornby,chief cartography officer (Shadows) May have happened. To be specific, probably happened. Don't have a solid case? If this isn't a solid case, I don't know what is.
Shadows Posted July 28, 2012 Posted July 28, 2012 blah Not a single claim of innocence, just more scum ego trying to deny that they performed badly enough to be caught. The spirit of flipz lives on! Oh, and thanks for the vote.
Darkdragon Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Not a single claim of innocence, just more scum ego trying to deny that they performed badly enough to be caught. The spirit of flipz lives on! That's just rude. Apparently you are a jerk and can't read.
Shadows Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 That's just rude. Apparently you are a jerk and can't read. Still no claim of innocence, despite being called out on that fact, but hey, let's review anyway, in case my reading skills have failed. Or I'm just a jerk and want to point out how easy it is to spot scum when they're flustered by discovery. I don't think it is fair to string me up over a night action that "may" have happened as you think. "Wah wah, not fair! I'm not denying it, it's just not fair!" All these sheep, you will all vote to lynch anybody at this point no matter how circumspect the case against them is. "I'm going to call you names now! I'm not denying anything, but baaaaaaah. Sheep! SHEEP!" Well, honestly you have all been doing it the whole time. Right, we have. Except that time we killed your buddy the scum. Oh, and notice that you say that everyone else has been doing it, but not you, of course not, you're not one of us. Everyone is afraid of saying anything because it will get them a target on thier backs and the experianced people hardly bother to play at all. Rediculous. I've seen lots of people saying all kinds of crazy things and they've survived it. Look at York. I'm not going to roll over and take this kind of ganging up on me just because I didn't get killed by the "vig" last night. You have no real proof and you are grasping at straws. Just the fact you waited until voting started to even bring it up at all shows that you know you don't have a solid case against me. "I'm not going to roll over, I'm just not going to defend myself at all. So nyah. You can't prove a thing! I'm not denying it, but you can't prove it and you should feel bad for not giving me more warning so I could maybe get my scum buddies to help me come up with even a little bit of a defense! NOT FAIR!" Vote: Lieutenant Thomas Hornby,chief cartography officer (Shadows) "Well, if I can't make up any kind of defense, I'll just attack one of you! And I won't even give a reason because 'hey, I'm scum and need a distraction' won't work well." Yep, you're right, I'm a jerk.
Darkdragon Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 "Well, if I can't make up any kind of defense, I'll just attack one of you! And I won't even give a reason because 'hey, I'm scum and need a distraction' won't work well." Yep, you're right, I'm a jerk. Who should I vote forthe game host? I know I'm right, dont need you to confirm.
Dragonator Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Jerk it baby. Vote: Ensign Toby Rockford (darkdragon) Not really anything to add at this point, so let's have some celebratory sausage rolls.
Bob Posted July 29, 2012 Author Posted July 29, 2012 Vote Tally: Ensign Rockford / darkdragon: 13 (Tamamono, Rufus, Scouty, fhomess, Capt.JohnPaul, Masked Builder, Fugazi, swils, Inconspicuous, AwesomeStar, Shadows, Waterbrick Down, Dragonator) Lieutenant Hornby / Shadows: 1 (darkdragon) Game Host / Bob: 1 (darkdragon)
Rufus Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Not really anything to add at this point, so let's have some celebratory sausage rolls. Let's not celebrate until we see the outcome confirmed. I've been thinking about this quite carefully, trying to see if it is possible we're making a mistake. I don't think it is fair to string me up over a night action that "may" have happened as you think. The accusation is strong. It is almost as good as an investigation result against you. If McAndrews is correct when he says that Wright was told he was blocked, then the only explanation for your survival is that you were protected by scum. I doubt McAndrews would have presented the case this way unless he were sure of his facts. So, much like an investigation, the only defence you could possibly give is that you were framed. As has been pointed out, for you to be town this would require the scum to be absolutely sure that you were being targeted by the vig, and use their protection on you (rather than protecting one of their own), for the sole reason of keeping you alive to be lynched today (when they could quite easily just have let you die). Strikes me as a huge risk for minimal gain. This kinda brings me back to my earlier point: why didn't the scum block the vig? I think this is worth thinking about. Firstly, the vig is a danger. Even if the scum planned to kill the vig, there is the danger that the vig kill would go through: usually, if player A kills player B the same night player B kills player C, both B and C will die. Now: if Rockford is town, and the scum hear that the vig is planning to target him and so decide to protect him to set up the frame, they are taking an awful risk - if the vig changes target for whatever reason, the entire scum team is unprotected. It makes little sense not to block the vig for sole reason of setting up Rockford for a lynch today. As I said: big risk, little gain. If Rockford is scum, then as Holloway says there may be less reason to block the vig; however, not blocking the vig again implies that the scum were absolutely sure the vig would target Rockford, and left Rockford vulnerable to accusation today, as has happened. If they had blocked the vig, the accusation against Rockford would have been far weaker, and may not have happened at all; moreover, there is still the risk of the vig changing target. In this situation, it makes no sense not to block the vig, and the only explanation I can think of is that the scum blocker was blocked. Any way I look at it seems to make Rockford scum, even ignoring his scummy 'Well That's Just Great' defence (see The Forest Mafia: Day Seven for a classic of the genre). Talking of which: Was I targeted for a kill last night? No clue, I didn't get a message saying I'd been saved from certain doom...so I supose we have only the so-called "vig" word to go by here. Note if you will that Rockford does not say that he didn't get a message to say he was blocked. I'm not going to roll over and take this kind of ganging up on me just because I didn't get killed by the "vig" last night. You have no real proof and you are grasping at straws. Just the fact you waited until voting started to even bring it up at all shows that you know you don't have a solid case against me. Vote: Lieutenant Thomas Hornby,chief cartography officer (Shadows) Now this is interesting. Rockford's accusation ought to be aimed at McAndrews, who after all started the vote. Yet he votes for Hornby. Why? If Rockford is town, he must have a reasonable suspicion of Hornby. Fair enough. However, it looks very likely that Rockford is scum. What then does he gain by voting for Hornby? An attempt to deflect suspicion from Hornby, because no scum would vote for their own, or to draw suspicion to Hornby, because scum are shifty and do very often vote for their own? Now that's Numberwang WIFOM. I know what I think's more likely.
Darkdragon Posted July 29, 2012 Posted July 29, 2012 Lieutenant Hornby / Shadows: 1 (darkdragon) Game Host / Bob: 1 (darkdragon) I wasn't voting you Bob.
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