Legends of Chima 2013

[Tobias_Jay]

I hope it has a downsized version of the head with a decent base behind it. This set might also be our only hope of seeing a Crunket figure.

[PenPlays]

I've noticed that out of all the stores I've been to recently that have the Spring Speedorz, Toys R Us is the o Lu store that had Ice Tower in stock. Every other store has been well stocked on the other two. Is this set selling better than what would normally be thought? Have any of you seen it anywhere else?

Allow me to bring this up as it was hidden among other things.

[CM4Sci]

I haven't seen any new Speedoz yet.

-Sci

[BlueberryWaffles]

And my bad luck continues!

Luckily, it wasn't my dog. But...

I was showing my friend the CHI Waterfall, on her kitchen counter. I ripped the cord, let the Speedor go, and it went off the counter.

So did her brand new iPhone 5. Screen wasn't cracked, but there's a big line going down the side.

-Sci

Ok mister.... You are going to take all your Chima sets, shove them in a box, drop it in mt. Saint Helens, and collect plush unicorns. :)

[Rufus]

Ok mister.... You are going to take all your Chima sets, shove them in a box, drop it in mt. Saint Helens, and collect plush unicorns. :)

Uh, this is about LEGO Chima, not how terribly you treat your LEGO and thus what occurs...

Or a debate on the ethics of discipline.

As Peppermint has said, please stay on topic! Final warning! Thank you!

[xxlrocka]

... Well, this escalated quickly.

Anyway, can't wait for the summer sets. Gonna get Lion CHI Temple and Croc Hideout (If real) and then, maybe I will grab a few constraction figures like Eris and Worriz.

[Good Cragger Fan]

I hope you don't mind the quote mining, but I only wanted to reply to this part since most of the rest has been taken care of.

Crominus is given a red background and grouped with the villains because the show is based off of the sets, not the other way around.

Yes, I agree with you that the show is based off the sets (and Speedors). However, then how come, in the show so far, we haven't seen Crominus in attacking (and trying to distroy) the Lions, Eagles and Gorillas, and stealing their Chi, or him helping the Ravens, Wolves and the other Crocodiles in doing these two things, without any misunderstandings -- or LEGO and Wil Films in having Crominus escape the cave and then have him lose his memory while he escapes the cave, via Cragger's Speedor, by a huge boulder in hitting him on the head hard enough to cause this memory loss, which would allow Crooler to trick him into thinking that the Lions, Eagles and Gorillas are his sworn enemies and that he should steal their Chi orbs, or have Crooler use the orchid on him (as well as Cragger), when he returns to the Crocodile tribe?

I'm saying this because, as of right now, the show deviates substantially from the sets (and Speedors)

not only in how the individual characters look there, but it is also from in how they PROTRAYED them in turns of personality, such as Cragger, and especially, Crominus, which, in my humble opinon, is blasphemy!

Seems to me, that if you can make animals talk and do the things humans do, which you can't (Ha, ha), you can "apply human moral code" into them.

And, as for Crocs being carnivorous, so are lions and, for that reason, eagles.

I think it would be better if the eagles were more, lets say, aggressive.

I couldn't agree with you more on these three things. First of all, if LEGO and Wil Films have the characters in the Chima world walk and talk and, more or less, behave like humans behave in the real world, the moral standards of humans should also apply there. Second of all, Lions are equally carnivorous in nature, compared to Crocodiles, and they are just as likely to eat humans (and other, larger-in-size, animals). Finally, I also think that it would be nice if the Eagles were more aggressive in nature than in how they are being protrayed now. (Eris, especially, is way too passive in the TV show right now). Therefore, some major improvements are in order for this theme right now, especially in the translation from the toy line to the TV series in terms of personality.

Edited March 4, 2013 by Good Cragger Fan

[DraikNova]

The sets portray simplified versions of the story so each set looks coolest. The show gives a story to glorify the entire theme.

[PenPlays]

^This!!

[Vindicare]

I'm guessing here, but lions are typically portrayed as heroes/good guys. Thundercats, Aslan in Narnia, almost all heraldry in LEGO Castle is lions. I'm sure there's more examples, but it seems in media aimed at kids(for the most part) lions are typically good.

[SoupOrFishOil]

Yes, I agree with you that the show is based off the sets (and Speedors). However, then how come, in the show so far, we haven't seen Crominus in attacking (and trying to distroy) the Lions, Eagles and Gorillas, and stealing their Chi, or him helping the Ravens, Wolves and the other Crocodiles in doing these two things, without any misunderstandings -- or LEGO and Wil Films in having Crominus escape the cave and then have him lose his memory while he escapes the cave, via Cragger's Speedor, by a huge boulder in hitting him on the head hard enough to cause this memory loss, which would allow Crooler to trick him into thinking that the Lions, Eagles and Gorillas are his sworn enemies and that he should steal their Chi orbs, or have Crooler use the orchid on him (as well as Cragger), when he returns to the Crocodile tribe?

I'm saying this because, as of right now, the show deviates substantially from the sets (and Speedors)

not only in how the individual characters look there, but it is also from in how they PROTRAYED them in turns of personality, such as Cragger, and especially, Crominus, which, in my humble opinon, is blasphemy!

I would have to say that DraikNova captures my thoughts here. Crominus is included in the set so that Crominus can be included in the set. LEGO came up with his minifigure and probably his basic identity before Wilfilm, but it is up to Wilfilm to expand upon it and LEGO is not likely going to move things around in their line-up to portray the show accurately. They don't do it with their licenses that often (arguably because of time/info allotted) but in this case it is the other way around. LEGO's IP is what is not being portrayed totally accurately and to me it seems a little ridiculous to alter your own work so something else that is based on it matches.

The show was probably developed before the sets were final, which would explain the different designs of characters and vehicles. It does bother me a little, but it is understandable.

And as for Crominus' character being changed to better portray the sets, I personally hope not. The storyline with him and Crunket surviving unbeknownst is one of the few I look forward too after seeing the pilot. There are other characters who could be changed for the better to depict the sets/LEGO.com bios, such as Crooler and Eris.

[Jargo]

Seems to me that for a world that has lived in peace for so long they have an awful lot of armoured equipment. Also, having lived in peace the Lions and Eagles are somewhat softened in nature. They like the peace and want to keep things peaceful and live in a more enlightened way. Though they are all addicted to Chi. Junkies the lot of them. If the Chi were to run out they'd all be totally strung out, aggressive and twitchy. Chaos would ensue. And it has been stated that the supply of Chi is limited......

[Lord Rahl of Clannad]

And it has been stated that the supply of Chi is limited......

Perhaps you have figured out how the TV series will end when this line comes to an end in a couple of years or so. The CHI runs out so the vehicles cannot be powered. This would also remove the reason for the war in the first place (fighting for CHI), thus the war would end along with the line. In the meantime, we have lots to look forward to in the summer. I'm still excited to see the Croc Hideout in the next couple of months.

[Jargo]

I don't have clairvoyance, no. I would however end the show with all the animals reverting to their natural forms and reuniting with the Legend Beasts. Or all dying of a hideous ailment from an over-use of Chi.

I'm intrigued by the croc hideout. In the show there's that huge mouth entrance leading underground and then the trees with platforms round the trunks and scaffold like towers either side of the entrance with a skywalk platform spanning between them. I'm assuming there's a jetty/dock for the command ship too. looks like one on the right side bank if looking from the front. I Imagine the mouth entrance and two towers will be what the set comprises of.

[Kalhiki]

Seems to me that for a world that has lived in peace for so long they have an awful lot of armoured equipment.

This is exactly what I've been thinking.

They've been having years of peace after the animals drank the Chi water, so what was the need to build all these vehicles? Not to mention vehicles with giant laser cannons.

Kalhiki

[Kadabra]

This is exactly what I've been thinking.

They've been having years of peace after the animals drank the Chi water, so what was the need to build all these vehicles? Not to mention vehicles with giant laser cannons.

Kalhiki

You can never have too many giant laser cannons.

On a more serious note, it is somewhat implied that relations between Crominus and Lagravis are strained when they interact, so I could see the tribes as having high tensions and that Cragger ODing on Chi was just the straw that broke the camel's back, leading to a war that had been expected for some time.

[PenPlays]

In the show there's that huge mouth entrance leading underground and then the trees with platforms round the trunks and scaffold like towers either side of the entrance with a skywalk platform spanning between them.

Actually there is nothing underground. The jaw opens, you walk straight to the throne. That's all there is once the Croc mouth is open. There may be something under the swamp water though.

[Good Cragger Fan]

I would have to say that DraikNova captures my thoughts here. Crominus is included in the set so that Crominus can be included in the set. LEGO came up with his minifigure and probably his basic identity before Wilfilm, but it is up to Wilfilm to expand upon it and LEGO is not likely going to move things around in their line-up to portray the show accurately. They don't do it with their licenses that often (arguably because of time/info allotted) but in this case it is the other way around. LEGO's IP is what is not being portrayed totally accurately and to me it seems a little ridiculous to alter your own work so something else that is based on it matches.

The show was probably developed before the sets were final, which would explain the different designs of characters and vehicles. It does bother me a little, but it is understandable.

And as for Crominus' character being changed to better portray the sets, I personally hope not. The storyline with him and Crunket surviving unbeknownst is one of the few I look forward too after seeing the pilot. There are other characters who could be changed for the better to depict the sets/LEGO.com bios, such as Crooler and Eris.

That may be the case. However, don't you forget that there is the upcoming Croc Lair Hideout set, where Crominus would fit in much better than in Cragger's Command Ship, since Crominus actually appears there in the first episode of the two pilot episodes, where he first finds out that the Lions had zapped Cragger after he took a Chi orb and went crazy all over the Chima world (at least in the the Lions' territory and in the jungle (?)) after he put it in his Chi harness. Therefore, the Croc Lair Hideout set is the perfect place for the minfigure of Crominus to be placed into there (and he might be placed in there by LEGO already anyway, but we can't be sure of this until we -- or someone on here at Eurobricks sees a picture and tells us what minifigures are included in the set -- see at least a preliminary set picture of it).

You should also keep in mind that Wil Fims probably has certain design, and especially, character traits (i.e., personality, whether they are heros/herolines, villains/villainesses or both at different points in the storyline, etc.) guidelines that they must follow there by the direction in which the LEGO Group wants them to go in the TV series, and LEGO should have the basic storyline already done by the time Wil Films starts working on the TV series. (This also includes the characters' basic personality traits such as whether they are good or bad characters, which are very much a fundamental part of the basic storyline). However, as of right now (unless the next episode (or two or three episodes) that will be shown late this month shows us otherwise) Crominus' character and personality is very differently protrayed by Wil Fims (aside from the fact that he dislikes the Lions but respects them somewhat and does not want to distroy them, take all of their (and the Lions' allies') Chi and take over all of the world of Chima), not merely expanded upon it, as opposed to LEGO's other media and box art protrayals of him. I, personally, so far, really like Wil Fims' protrayal of Crominus' character and personality and do not like LEGO's own protrayal of him in their media and box art of the regular sets and Speedorz sets at all, especially if Cragger stays a villain practically throughout the entire TV series, except for the last episode or the last two episodes. This is because there has to be at least one heroic/herolinic repiltian character for me (and other anthromorphic reptile fans) to cheer on there and hope to win the war -- and I cannot really cheer on villains, even if they're reptiles, since I know for sure that the writers (and LEGO themselves) will not allow the villains to win in the end, and I prefer not to cheer on non-repitian heroic characters if I had a choice, so for right now, I cannot really cheer for any of the characters who are on either side of the war -- not for me to mention the fact that children would see that not all anthromorphic (and normal, real world) reptiles are evil in character and some can actually be nice and/or heroic in personality.

As for what will happen to Crominus and Crunket, I, too, wonder what will happen to them. I hope that they do eventually escape the cave, sooner rather than later on from then, and teach Crooler a lesson!

You can never have too many giant laser cannons.

On a more serious note, it is somewhat implied that relations between Crominus and Lagravis are strained when they interact, so I could see the tribes as having high tensions and that Cragger ODing on Chi was just the straw that broke the camel's back, leading to a war that had been expected for some time.

I wonder what caused the tensions betwwen Crominus and LaGravis in the first place, so what caused originally caused this? I really hope that LEGO and Wil Films will show what happened in the past that caused the strained relationship between Crominus and LaGravis in future episodes of the TV series. (Could it be that Cragger was not the first one to sneek into the Lion Temple and stole some Chi before he was old enough to handle it, and there could be the fact that someone else had done this before recently who was (or still is) a member of the Lion tribe, such as Laval's (supposed and/or possible) evil twin sister, which could help explain why Crominus (and Crunket) (wrongly) accused of Laval in talking Cragger into sneeking into the Lion Temple and steal some Chi, not for me to mention that Crooler may be evil in character partly because of her possible interactions with Laval's (supposed and/or possible) evil twin sister? This possiblilty would have Cragger and Laval in having even more things in common than they do now, which could help explain why they became best friends in the first place.)

Edited March 5, 2013 by Good Cragger Fan

[Jargo]

I've only seen the two pilot episodes once. It seemed like the throne was underground. It does make sense though as far as a set is concerned that the throne would just be in the back of the croc head.

[PenPlays]

When it shows the view from the throne (scenes typically with Crawly and Crug distracting you) you should be able to see the hideout's teeth. You should also be able to see the throne in the scene that shows the hideout form the outside, looking in.

[Garmadon]

That may be the case. However, don't you forget that there is the upcoming Croc Lair Hideout set, where Crominus would fit in much better than in Cragger's Command Ship, since Crominus actually appears there in the first episode of the two pilot episodes, where he first finds out that the Lions had zapped Cragger after he took a Chi orb and went crazy all over the Chima world (at least in the the Lions' territory and in the jungle (?)) after he put it in his Chi harness. Therefore, the Croc Lair Hideout set is the perfect place for the minfigure of Crominus to be placed into there (and he might be placed in there by LEGO already anyway, but we can't be sure of this until we -- or someone on here at Eurobricks sees a picture and tells us what minifigures are included in the set -- see at least a preliminary set picture of it).

Actually, Crominus DOES appear once in the Croc-boat in the first two episodes:

When he learns of his son's "arrest" he travels to the lion temple in the Croc-boat.

Edited March 5, 2013 by Garmadon

[Good Cragger Fan]

Actually, Crominus DOES appear once in the Croc-boat in the first two episodes:

When he learns of his son's "arrest" he travels to the lion temple in the Croc-boat.

Oh, I didn't noticed that, since I thought he traveled to the Lion Temple by a Croc Tank, as that was the only vehicles that I saw near the Lion Temple, and I don't remember seeing any Croc Boats, never mind Cragger's Command Ship. Therefore, I wonder if Cragger's Command Ship was buiit after the first two pilot episodes, and thus we haven't seen it yet, so I want to know if this is true or not true. (I guess that I'll have to re-watch the part of the first episode where he travels to the Lion Temple after he learns of Cragger's arrest by the Lions, even though I seen both episodes in full three times already and don't remember in seeing Crominus and Crunket actually traveling to the Lion Temple.)

Edit: I've just rewatched part of the first pilot episode online, and yes, you are right, Garmadon, that Crominus actually does travel to the Lion Temple in a Croc Boat, but I still don't think that that Croc Boat is or will ever be Cragger's Command Ship, and even if it really is Cragger's Command Ship (after Cragger becomes the new king of the Crocodlie tribe), we never had seen both Cragger and Crominus on the Croc Boat at the same time in the show, so far. Moreover, in the Cragger's Command Ship set, it appears as though Crominus is still the Crocodile king since he wears the Crocodlie Crown helmet, so why is it that Cragger appears to be in charge of the entire Crocodlie tribe in that set and in Cragger's Command Ship in the comic book that came with January's LEGO Club Magazine? I'm sanying this because it really doesn't make any sense to me!

Edited March 6, 2013 by Good Cragger Fan

[Vindicare]

Well, you must not pay very close attention to the show...

*Spoiler ahead for those who haven't watched*-can't remember how to do spoiler tags...

Cragger becomes king when his parents plummets down when the ground breaks apart. He's sitting on the throne and his sister gives him the crown.

[PenPlays]

So are you telling me that a child oblivious to the story can't call Crominus just a gold helmeted lackey? Crominus has to be king just because he is the king in the story? The same story that Wil-Film wrote AFTER the sets were created? Tell me, why must the sets be changed in order to follow the story?

Do you wonder why the largest set of LoC cannot be character neutral? This story is character driven. They have to put a name of one of the two most popular characters on the large set's box, in order to attract the kids to that particular character's set. It's that character's set. No one else's, so they have to get this set. It's another marketing ploy that you will just have to accept.

Also, if Crominus does appear as king in the set, wouldn't he just be a kind parent who is willing to let his son try the helm, and lead the Crocs?

[DraikNova]

And the decision to add him was probably at least partially driven to stop fans of the show complaining about the lack of Crominus in the sets.