WoutR Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 I have been talking to the creator of that image. We have found out that there are two versions of the bricks with the Dogbone logo (mit Knochen). We started a discussion based on his comment on Flickr. The regular series has mold numbers 1 to 8 and has ejector pin marks on top of two diagonally opposite studs. That is the most common version of the Dogbone bricks and I believe it is Danish. There also is an alternate series. The inside looks almost exactly the same, but the mold numbers range from 1 to 10 and some of the slot positions are different. On top there are ejector pin marks on top of four (!) studs. He believed these might be Norwegian, but (for the reasons you mentioned) that is unconfirmed. The only other brick that I have seen with four ejector pin marks on top is the "target brick". That is why I believed they could be related, and then both could be Norwegian in origin. (The dogbone version does not have the extra plastic on top of the center studs). Since it is very difficult to be sure about anything, especially since collectors have been moving bricks and recreating sets, I tried to find a second opinion here. Maybe that box could have provided some additional "proof" for my Norwegian theory. I heard there are some colors that were found in Norway only. I do not yet know which colors these are (lemon yellow?) or how to find these bricks. Those bricks could provide important clues on the mold used, and knowing that we can draw conclusions about other bricks. My list of slotted 2x4 brick versions currently has 13 entries. Three of those might be duplicates, but I have not been able to confirm that yet. (I have some bricks in the mail, should be able to find out about one set soon...) If you want I can send you that list, I would appreciate your feedback. Quote
LEGO Historian Posted August 14, 2014 Author Posted August 14, 2014 WoutR.... so you've talked with my German collector friend "Lothar".... a very nice guy... but doesn't speak English very well... although that's not a problem with me, since I usually communicate with him in German. Lothar digs up a LOT of rare items from Norway and Sweden... and even Germany. A very good friend to have!! Quote
WoutR Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 My German is good enough to read, but not good enough to speak or write. He writes in German, I answer in English :) Exploring the history of LEGO I have met many interesting people, and I will probably meet many more. I think we share many collector friends :) Quote
LEGO Historian Posted August 14, 2014 Author Posted August 14, 2014 My German is good enough to read, but not good enough to speak or write. He writes in German, I answer in English :) Exploring the history of LEGO I have met many interesting people, and I will probably meet many more. I think we share many collector friends :) Hehehe.... I bet we do.... there's Michel, Jeroen, Richard, Henk, and Diana from the Netherlands... Lothar, Olaf, Sven, Thomas and Kurt from Germany, Arild from Norway, Daniel from Sweden, Lasse, Ole, Erik and Kirsten from Denmark, Rohnny from Belgium (not always popular), Pier and Gianluca from Italy, Fernando and Joao from Portugal, Phil, Steve and Chris from the UK, Francois-Xavier from Canada, Yoshihiro from Japan, Jennifer from Hong Kong, and Eric, Chris, Jim, John, and Dave from the USA.... all mentioned in my collectors guide credits! Quote
WoutR Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 Amazing people all around the world. I have met several of them (and often asked more questions than they could answer ) Quote
LEGO Historian Posted August 14, 2014 Author Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) Amazing people all around the world. I have met several of them (and often asked more questions than they could answer ) Hehehe... WoutR... all my friends have my collectors guide... but that doesn't mean that they've read it all.... One of them mused... "no one has THAT much time".... lol... They often ask me questions, and I sometimes say... "it's in chapter 48"... ... but I'll usually give them the answer anyway... Other times someone will ask me a very good question that I hadn't really thought about... and BAMMM!! ... a new item for a future update to the next version! ... and then other times I've gone into excruciating detail about some LEGO item in an Email.... and I can sense the glazed over look that they must be giving off when they read it!! With so much to study with LEGO's thousands of sets and parts.... I've long ago decided to leave some items for other folks that are studying them... such as your interest WoutR.... LEGO molds. Maxx3001, Arnoud and Joao were studying them, so I decided not to re-invent the wheel... and reference some of their websites in my collectors guide (ditto for Bayer and BASF test bricks). But when I am finished with upgrading my collectors guide into the 21st century (until circa 2000-2002), I will go back and study all the mold, plastic and color variations to LEGO parts. But I'm not there yet! Edited August 14, 2014 by LEGO Historian Quote
Lind Whisperer Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 First of all, thank you very much for this wonderful resource! As I was reading through the pages, I started thinking that perhaps my town needed a modular/modular street built out of these classic bricks(I try to keep my town within LEGO canon, and a "classic" street would fit right in). I was wondering if you knew just how strong the printing on bricks like the slanted thin "Cinema" and "Kiosk" 1x6s is. Would it be possible to run them gently through a dishwasher, or would that obliterate the printing entirely*? *I apologize if the image of running bricks through a dishwasher makes you wince. I am not a destructive person by nature, I have medical reasons that don't permit me to buy second-hand bricks casually(as in, ever. For the nostalgia factor of having a classic street, I'm looking into my options.). Quote
LEGO Historian Posted August 15, 2014 Author Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) I am not sure of the effect of a dishwasher on the printed LEGO bricks. You might want to try it on one of the bricks before you do a large number of them. Edited August 15, 2014 by LEGO Historian Quote
Lind Whisperer Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) I am not sure of the effect of a dishwasher on the printed LEGO bricks. You might want to try it on one of the bricks before you do a large number of them. Thanks for responding so fast! Someday, I'll try buying one with poor printing, photographing it, running it through, photographing it again, and then comparing the two pictures. I wonder if using my old microscope would be overkill...probably not. Edited August 15, 2014 by Lind Whisperer Quote
WoutR Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 Hehehe... WoutR... all my friends have my collectors guide... I also have one. I usually read it one or two chapters at the time. With so much to study with LEGO's thousands of sets and parts.... I've long ago decided to leave some items for other folks that are studying them... such as your interest WoutR.... LEGO molds. Maxx3001, Arnoud and Joao were studying them, so I decided not to re-invent the wheel... and reference some of their websites in my collectors guide (ditto for Bayer and BASF test bricks). But when I am finished with upgrading my collectors guide into the 21st century (until circa 2000-2002), I will go back and study all the mold, plastic and color variations to LEGO parts. But I'm not there yet! It is one of my interests, but just as you say you can only focus on a limited amount of subjects at the same time. I hope we'll have lots of information for you when you finish upgrading your collectors guide. In a perfect world all that information would come together and strengthen eachother. One of the things I like about your guide is that it brings the detailed knowledge of many people together. Someday, I'll try buying one with poor printing, photographing it, running it through, photographing it again, and then comparing the two pictures. I wonder if using my old microscope would be overkill...probably not. Good luck! I hope you find a way to enjoy that nostalgia. And don't worry about overkill, I know I don't Quote
WoutR Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 On 8-8-2014 at 10:37 PM, WoutR said: Gary, do you think this set might be Norwegian in origin? http://www.historia.com.pt/legos/Pt2/txt/ABBal/RB03.htm I have a theory that the "target bricks" are Norwegian in origin, but such theories are difficult to confirm http://www.historia.com.pt/legos/Textos/bricks/2X4_Targetbrick.htm Replying to myself, years later :-) The "target bricks" are now known to be Swedish in origin. Quote
LEGO Historian Posted April 10, 2017 Author Posted April 10, 2017 The "target" bricks that WoutR is talking about were produced by a company in southern Sweden called GEAS KONSTHARTS of Gislaved Sweden. From 1950 to circa 1953 GEAS produced Automatic Binding Bricks for the Swedish market (as TLG did for the Danish market). Once TLG switched the name to LEGO Mursten in 1953, GEAS could not follow suit, and chose a different name... PRIMA for their sets. GEAS produced these sets until 1955 or thereabouts, which is the date that LEGO Sweden was inaugurated in Lerum Sweden. From then on the GEAS company no longer made construction building toys, although the company still exists today... they make plastic coat hangers! Quote
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