Anio Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) Looks like a great model, better looking than the crane... I did a review of that set. Yes, it looks good. But it turns out that it is poorly engineered and virtually unplayable. Edited June 7, 2013 by Anio Quote
z3_2drive Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 I did a review of that set. Yes, it looks good. But it turns out that it is poorly engineered and virtually unplayable. interesting, but I could see that, and the crane definitely wins for playability, I'm just sick of yellow. Quote
Zerobricks Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 I did a review of that set. Yes, it looks good. But it turns out that it is poorly engineered and virtually unplayable. Why unplayable? Quote
Anio Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) Why unplayable? Well, I could write a lot about it. But not that easy in English. I think it is more simple for me to give you the link to the review. => http://www.techlug.f...ueur-42008-2013 Just hope that translaters will make something readable. If not, ask, I can try to explain with simple words. Edited June 7, 2013 by Anio Quote
Zerobricks Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 Basically you dont like the lack of clutch gears, jerky pneumatics and too many controls? Quote
Anio Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 Basically you dont like the lack of clutch gears, jerky pneumatics and too many controls? Basically, yes. The pneumatics and LA react very differently, and when you play with the model, you always have to adapt. It is not that easy. You also hardly see the controls when black panels are opened. Besides the telescoping boom is ridiculous. Simpler functions (not motorized), with manual controls would have been so much better. The model is an unstructured mess. Well, it is not the first time an official model is like that. And it certainly won't be the last time either. Quote
Alasdair Ryan Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 I am still looking forward to getting the model,at least any faults in it will give us builders the chance to make some improvements to the set. Quote
Blakbird Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 The model is an unstructured mess. Well, it is not the first time an official model is like that. And it certainly won't be the last time either. Interesting. I am eager to see if I agree when I get my copy. I think another way to look at it is that LEGO is trying to give us a little bit of everything in one model. We have large and small LAs, and pneumatics, and a motor. For someone with no Technic collection, this gives them an introduction to a lot of different things all in one model which is probably a good thing. Of course it also means that the model is not optimized for any of one of those things alone. I think 8285 was the same way. It had pneumatics, and a damper, and a mechanical boom lift. All of those things could have been pneumatic to be more consistent. But by mixing the techniques you get more variety. 8462 is an example of a tow truck with the same feature but which were all pneumatic. I'm still happy to get more green! Quote
Anio Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 For someone with no Technic collection, this gives them an introduction to a lot of different things all in one model which is probably a good thing. Yep, but a good inventory does not necessarily makes a good set. ;) Of course it also means that the model is not optimized for any of one of those things alone. True. 42008 is not that big. And it does not help to builds things correctly. I think 8285 was the same way. Not really. 8285 was big enough for everything to be well integrated and executed. :) Review of the crane coming soon. Quote
Alasdair Ryan Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 8462 is an example of a tow truck with the same feature but which were all pneumatic. I'm still happy to get more green! I have that set along with the 8436 which you can also build the tow truck arm,that set is also fully pneumatic. Quote
captainmib Posted June 7, 2013 Author Posted June 7, 2013 I'm still in doubt if I should buy both of these sets or none at all. At first I was really enthusiastic - a green set with lots of functions and good looks, a giant crane, but the longer the wait the more i doubt. Anio, what are you saying unstructured mess? Is it a messy build, or are you talking about control of the functions? Quote
Anio Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 a giant crane, but the longer the wait the more i doubt.Anio, what are you saying unstructured mess? Is it a messy build, or are you talking about control of the functions? Both. :-S As for the crane, do not doubt anymore. It rocks !! Quote
therealjustin Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 Can't wait for the review of the crane! I knew it would not disappoint! Quote
Wraith777 Posted June 7, 2013 Posted June 7, 2013 Well, I could write a lot about it. But not that easy in English. I think it is more simple for me to give you the link to the review. => http://www.techlug.f...ueur-42008-2013 Well, judging by the fact that the reviewer didn't like this tow truck from the very first glance, it's clear that review is somewhat little biased and we need atleast a few more independent examinations . Visual design is nice and.. GREEN. Inventory is rich. Functions are numerous. Yes, they may not all work well, but they still do work as intended. It just suffers from it's universality (like any other universal model/set), but this can't make it a bad set. In sum: good look + great inventory + many functions - partially not so good performance = only 3/5???.. Definetly not 5/5, but from what I've seen in review it could be atleast 4/5.. Let's compare it with analog - 9397: why such functionally unfinished model had 5/5? No doubts it would deserve it if the claw wasn't manual, but as it is - only 4/5 IMHO. Quote
therealjustin Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 42009 review: EDIT by Hinckley: The author of this review has requested this link to be removed. In the future, it is good etiquette to let the author post their own review. Quote
Paul B Technic Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 I am still going to wait until I have them in my hot little hands before I decide if they are any good or not :) Quote
Freekysch Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 Hmm, after looking at 42008 review and seeing some better pictures of the model i can say that it is very ugly in term of design. The cab looks unfinished (take the example of 8109 which has a beautiful cab) and the green back is too ... green. The functions are ok and the part list is very good. PS: 9397 may have some unfinished crane desing, but the truck itself looks awesome. Quote
Anio Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 (edited) @ Therealjustin : this is very disrespectful to post something that is not complete. This is not supposed to be public yet. I would appreciate the first moderators who read that to remove the link ASAP. Visual design is nice and.. GREEN. Inventory is rich. Functions are numerous. Yes, they may not all work well, but they still do work as intended. It just suffers from it's universality (like any other universal model/set), but this can't make it a bad set.In sum: good look + great inventory + many functions - partially not so good performance = only 3/5???.. Definetly not 5/5, but from what I've seen in review it could be atleast 4/5.. Let's compare it with analog - 9397: why such functionally unfinished model had 5/5? No doubts it would deserve it if the claw wasn't manual, but as it is - only 4/5 IMHO. 9397 is very well built and consistent. It has some great mechanism (much better than 42008). And there is obviously no other way to do the mechanism of the claw (seriously, what did you expect for something located at the end of the arm ? -_-). And it has the fake engine. So I think it deserves 5/5. 42008 is very far from it. It is not playable for a kid, and very poorly engineered. It has absolutely no consistency in the design.Yes, the inventory is good and the set looks good. But that is not enough for a good Technic model. Saying that I did not like the truck from the very first glance is kinf of preposterous. :-/ I am pretty sure that the designer who made 42008 is a designer with little experience with Technic or with little experience with big models. I mean, there is no way that Kossman or Wabra can build something engineered like this. :s Edited June 8, 2013 by Anio Quote
Alasdair Ryan Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 Good video,watching it I am wondering what it is that you don't like? Ok so the extending boom is a rather interesting design.... (any one else wonder if the designers though about making a longer pneumatic ram for that job?) But apart from the extending boom it looks like it's a great set.... Quote
07jkearney Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 (edited) So I now want this model even more... I don't quite know why I like it so much I think it's the colour. Edited June 8, 2013 by 07jkearney Quote
Wraith777 Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 Anio, as always, good and informative video. And I've seen that model is also good (well, except lack of cluch for boom mechanics)... So, from me it definetly gets atleast 4 / 5 (til I'll get my hands on it). P.S. 9397 is very well built and consistent. It has some great mechanism (much better than 42008). And there is obviously no other way to do the mechanism of the claw (seriously, what did you expect for something located at the end of the arm ? -_-). No way, you say ? Oh, sorry, that would be.. abominable .. But still, what's wrong with combining LA's and pneumatics? Quote
Anio Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 (edited) Oh, sorry, that would be.. abominable .. Indeed. But still, what's wrong with combining LA's and pneumatics? It is inconsistent and incongruous regarding many aspects : technologies, design, playability, etc. edit : Edited June 8, 2013 by Anio Quote
DLuders Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 Thanks for the video reviews, Anio! I like both the 2H2013 42008 Service Truck and the 42009 Mobile Crane Mk II sets -- they are very fine models that would be a great addition to a Lego Technic fan's collection. Now, one just has to wait ~2 months before they are widely available.... Quote
peter_m Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) Both 42008 & 42009 do not really work smoothly :( Edited June 9, 2013 by peter_m Quote
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