Ragnarök Now - Day Two

[Hinckley]

You know Finn, I was worried about you, your behaviour seemed off to me yesterday, but here's how I know you, good catch. Gerrid lied. Someone once said lynch all liars, and it worked out right for them. Real vikings don't need lies.

I was the one who said Lynch all Liars, based on a great ancient text, MafiaWiki. That is more about people who try to run "sting operations" and how they affect the Town and distract from the task at hand. Gerrid's statements are ridiculous, maybe not lies, maybe just a profound misunderstanding of things. Waiting to defend someone you trust is the most ridiculous statement he has made. Who does he trust on Day Two that he's lying in wait to defend? I have people I trust, but none of them are verified and Gerrid doesn't seem anywhere near as active as I'm being. I'd be willing to test this out if it wasn't for:

the Hervi/Dragmall thing. It's actually a possibility both are town. (A joke's a joke and Hervi overreacted?).

Sigh... Me over-react? Did I? It's not unprecedented and the other two witnesses seem to think it was a joke. I'm still very worried about Dragmall's defense. It doesn't seem like a Town-perspective defense at all. I suppose this is typical for him, but when he is on either side, he always acts the same! It's hard to not want an answer. If he and Gerrid are both Scum, I'd be much more worried about Dragmall's brain than Gerrid's. If we were to vote for Gerrid instead, I would want Artemis to investigate one of us, obviously not telling anyone who.

I think Gerrid's statements are ridiculous, but I'm hesitant to change my vote at this time. Am I just stuck in my original perspective?

This statement is funny for all kinds of reasons. Hervi is the most paranoid person here, I'm pretty sure.

No, I'm usually calm.

[Waterbrick Down]

Hmmm, it is not surprising that people seem to be gathering around Hervi - he seems to like being in the center of attention. With these revelations, and Dragmall's retaliation, I believe we're on the verge of finding out something essential.

My biggest doubt with Hervi being a scum is that he voluntarily made up these plays to let the public know what he knows. Why would a scum do that, as early as on Day Two? To lead us off? From what? Nobody had brought up anything concrete until Hervi, so unless there's some really hot gossips going on in the potato messages, a Scum!Hervi would have no reason to put himself into the limelight.

We do know the discussion about Hades is true, but Artemis and Demeter are two individuals we know nothing about, whether they are both town or scum or one or the other. I was personally surprised that we didn't see one of Hervi's plays yesterday. To answer your biggest doubt, it is because Hervi is known for his plays that he has to keep up appearances. I would be incredibly suspicious of him if he stayed quiet for too long and even now I'm not sure what to think of him. This whole affair could easily turn south and I can see as much of a metagame reason for Hervi eliminating Steinvior as Dragmall would.

Sigh... Me over-react? Did I? It's not unprecedented and the other two witnesses seem to think it was a joke. I'm still very worried about Dragmall's defense. It doesn't seem like a Town-perspective defense at all. I suppose this is typical for him, but when he is on either side, he always acts the same! It's hard to not want an answer. If he and Gerrid are both Scum, I'd be much more worried about Dragmall's brain than Gerrid's. If we were to vote for Gerrid instead, I would want Artemis to investigate one of us, obviously not telling anyone who.

Hold it, now you're postulating that Dragmall could be scum along with Gerrid when you've based your entire arguement against Dragmall on the fact that he is supposedly lying about being a neutral.

[Rick]

Please appreciate that analysis of the person's playing style could give their identity away and if the Scum can identify this person, we'll lose our investigative ability. Yes, I have weighed all the possibilities concerning timing and playing style.

I do, and I said as much earlier.

Because, as it turns out, Demeter has contacted me and was "using a personal idiom" when he told Artemis that "a little birdie told him". So, I do apologize, but I inferred way too much and Demeter is not, in fact, an investigator. Why she (because Demeter is female) would be so vague or misleading should still be under scrutiny, but for now I think the identity of Artemis should stay protected.

If Demeter, or someone she's in contact with, targeted Artemis to find out she's Einherjar, it makes it more likely Artemis is an experienced player (if Artemis is town, I'm sure I'm not telling the scum anything new here). Again, your knowledge about Artemis' experience could help you in resolving this situation.

Unsuccessful like in blocked, or unsuccessful like in... unreadable targets? If Artemis was blocked, there's a worrying chance that scum are already on her. If she wasn't able to get a good reading, it would be interesting to know who she decided to investigate in the end.

My biggest doubt with Hervi being a scum is that he voluntarily made up these plays to let the public know what he knows. Why would a scum do that, as early as on Day Two? To lead us off? From what? Nobody had brought up anything concrete until Hervi, so unless there's some really hot gossips going on in the potato messages, a Scum!Hervi would have no reason to put himself into the limelight.

I assume Hervi knows who was investigated. It's worrying that Artemis possibly was already blocked on Night 1, and it... actually implicates Hervi. Could this be the reason Hervi's coming forward with this elaborate story? Hervi, I wonder if anyone else was aware of Artemis' action.

I don't get it. A Cult is a third-party, not a neutral party. What difference does it make that Artemis' role works like it does? As I mentioned earlier, Scum and Cult would be revealed as a different allegiance from Artemis, and we would lynch either with equal enthusiasm. The only difference would be the surprise in the morning when an unexpected allegiance would be revealed.

I agree with Gofraid here. What's the relevance of how Artemis' role works in Hervi's case against Dragmall? Whereas the existence of the role does make it more likely that there are multiple evil factions, it doesn't make it any more or less likely there is a neutral or serial killer.

I still don't know what to make of all of this. I see no good reason for Artemis contacting Hervi on Day One, I fail to see the link between the investigator story and the case against Dragmall, but I also think that a neutral role claim (whether it was a joke or not) can't be left unverified.

No matter how I look at it, I can't believe that Dragmall and Hervi are on the same side. One of them is lying, and they both know which one. But if Dragmall is neutral, why bother voting for him if we can nail a scum instead?

How can you be so sure of this?

[Scubacarrot]

I'm the serial killer, guys! So. You want to verify it now? That's what you're saying, right?

[Sandy]

How can you be so sure of this?

I'm not "sure" about anything, I just go with what I see. Hervi merely hinted at this "Hades" being Dragmall, and BANG! Dragmall came and outed himself before Hervi could - and started a vote against Hervi at the same time. If Dragmall had any doubt about Hervi's alignment, he probably would not have been so defensive. But I think he knows he's not on the same side as Hervi, and the only way he could know that, really, is that he is either a neutral or a scum.

I haven't been in contact with Hervi by potatoes, pidgeons or any other means starting with a 'p', but I'm inclined to believe his sincerity - for now. His plays are just so damn convincing. XD

[Waterbrick Down]

I'm not "sure" about anything, I just go with what I see. Hervi merely hinted at this "Hades" being Dragmall, and BANG! Dragmall came and outed himself before Hervi could - and started a vote against Hervi at the same time. If Dragmall had any doubt about Hervi's alignment, he probably would not have been so defensive. But I think he knows he's not on the same side as Hervi, and the only way he could know that, really, is that he is either a neutral or a scum.

I haven't been in contact with Hervi by potatoes, pidgeons or any other means starting with a 'p', but I'm inclined to believe his sincerity - for now. His plays are just so damn convincing. XD

Yes, but another reason to keep in mind for a BANG! out on the offensive is that if there is a deliberate twisting of the facts, which from my understanding is what is being claimed.

[Etzel]

I'm the serial killer, guys! So. You want to verify it now? That's what you're saying, right?

I think we rather kill you, at least that's my opinion.

Vote: Snotra Carrotface (Scubacarrot)

[badboytje88]

Personally I think mister oink-face over there is being a tad manipulative in his cliche use of plays. The biggest issue I have is why an investigator would roleclaim to him on the first day. That sounds ridiculous, let alone a second turning up and the original investigator turning that guy over to him too. But what I find more interesting is his relatively useless analysis of his play, and the rather open questions he has left us. basically oinkyboy has given us some options, and told us to pick who we want to list from them, so that he can't be seen to be taking the lead while subtly controlling who is being considered for the vote.

I find it very convenient that our dear manly brother-in-arms, Meatshield, said what he supposedly did and then died so he couldn't confirm it. Well oink-boy I know you are trying to set me up to be your Hades and I'll have none of it thank you; it's a blatant fabrication. Firstly because if I was a neutral I wouldn't be a moron and claim to the guy that I murdered visciously the last time it happened (in our D&D match last weekend, that is, he was still bearing that grudge!), and secondly because it's so blatantly an "oh that dead guy said this guy is neutral let's lynch him" moment. An easy way to first throw suspicion away from yourself for leading the dud lynch yesterday, and then to be able to point the blame at the dead guy when I turn up town. Then there is the fact that we don't use the pub for discussing Mafia; clearly you are not a regular enough patron to understand the socially accepted norms there. Nobody is going to back you up, and I can assure I have the logs of your conversation from the pub myself so I know exactly what was "said".

The amount of anger in your comment makes me think you are really pissed of that you are outed as scum so soon.

So for now I shall vote vote: Dragmall (Dragonator)

Unless something better comes up.

[Scubacarrot]

I think we rather kill you, at least that's my opinion.

Vote: Snotra Carrotface (Scubacarrot)

I'm not following.

[Waterbrick Down]

The amount of anger in your comment makes me think you are really pissed of that you are outed as scum so soon.

So for now I shall vote vote: Dragmall (Dragonator)

Unless something better comes up.

Please let us not muddle the waters until we set things straight. I'm fine with you voting against him, but the case built up thus far is based upon him being a neutral not a servant of Loki, unless of course you're trying to rush things along to avoid suspicion being placed back on yourself.

[Rick]

I'm the serial killer, guys! So. You want to verify it now? That's what you're saying, right?

My own wife, who'd have thought?

I'm not "sure" about anything, I just go with what I see. Hervi merely hinted at this "Hades" being Dragmall, and BANG! Dragmall came and outed himself before Hervi could - and started a vote against Hervi at the same time. If Dragmall had any doubt about Hervi's alignment, he probably would not have been so defensive. But I think he knows he's not on the same side as Hervi, and the only way he could know that, really, is that he is either a neutral or a scum.

I haven't been in contact with Hervi by potatoes, pidgeons or any other means starting with a 'p', but I'm inclined to believe his sincerity - for now. His plays are just so damn convincing. XD

In your scenario Hervi doesn't know Dragmall is lying and you said earlier that both of them know who's lying (which spurred my question):

One of them is lying, and they both know which one.

[Etzel]

I'm not following.

You just said you were the Serial Killer!? Why would I not want to kill you?

[CorneliusMurdock]

I just want to thoroughly analyze this statement for those of you still on the fence. First note the seething anger throughout.

Personally I think mister oink-face over there is being a tad manipulative in his cliche use of plays. The biggest issue I have is why an investigator would roleclaim to him on the first day. That sounds ridiculous, let alone a second turning up and the original investigator turning that guy over to him too. But what I find more interesting is his relatively useless analysis of his play, and the rather open questions he has left us. basically oinkyboy has given us some options, and told us to pick who we want to list from them, so that he can't be seen to be taking the lead while subtly controlling who is being considered for the vote.

All of us know how fond Hervi is of plays. It's what he does. And what he does far more often as town than scum. And some people just claim to him with very little provocation. The part I've bolded is odd. The opposite is true. When he does these plays he is always seen as a leader. I don't see playwriting as not responsibility.

I find it very convenient that our dear manly brother-in-arms, Meatshield, said what he supposedly did and then died so he couldn't confirm it.

So Hervi killed Stenvoir after a few other people witnessed a joke? Others have confirmed it happened. Why kill him? It would make far more sense for someone that normally talked to Stenvoir a lot to have killed him to keep him from figuring out that he wasn't on the same side.

Well oink-boy I know you are trying to set me up to be your Hades and I'll have none of it thank you; it's a blatant fabrication. Firstly because if I was a neutral I wouldn't be a moron and claim to the guy that I murdered visciously the last time it happened (in our D&D match last weekend, that is, he was still bearing that grudge!), and secondly because it's so blatantly an "oh that dead guy said this guy is neutral let's lynch him" moment. An easy way to first throw suspicion away from yourself for leading the dud lynch yesterday, and then to be able to point the blame at the dead guy when I turn up town.

Again, it has been confirmed to have happened. While the witnesses remain unsure if it was a joke, the incident occurred and was not made up. But it's the reaction I'm analyzing. Why would Hervi have to divert suspicion from himself? I don't think he was exactly anyone's first choice for today.

Then there is the fact that we don't use the pub for discussing Mafia; clearly you are not a regular enough patron to understand the socially accepted norms there. Nobody is going to back you up, and I can assure I have the logs of your conversation from the pub myself so I know exactly what was "said". And it is not what you claim, which makes things even more awkward for you. Trying to use a joke based on a previous crap role as a valid basis for voting now is rather lame.

If you have logs, why did you think it was a "fabrication"? Secondly, how did you come about having said logs? There are a few people that would normally, including those in there at the time, but I don't think you would. Someone would have given you that. Why, if it was just a joke?

I also note you are bringing up the cult story again, much like you did when we had that Asylum (the second one) play a while back. Personally I think the truth is much simplier; we have a standard set of evildoers, and you are one of them. That is made pretty clear from the fact that the hall was raided by several servants of Loki.

I don't think the possibility of third faction is so outlandish that mentioning one could exist is itself scummy.

I'm going to highlight some strong language in this next one.

Well I think it's pretty clear who we should vote for today, he's making himself pretty obvious as usual when he strays to the dark side. He led the lynch on day one, immediately apologised and then proceeded to step off again as if nothing had happened. That and his laughable attempt to use his own failed metagaming logic, on top of an attempt to play on fears from the recent unfortunate incidents in Springhaven, is rather sad really. I would have expected better, I think. Don't be fooled, he isn't manly like the rest of us and he isn't town.

Vote: Hervi Pudding-Head (Hinckley)

Why all the anger? Yes, Hervi would have revealed you as the Hades that he was talking about. Condemning? Probably not if you had laughed it off as a joke by an old enemy/friend that was still feeling the sting of betrayal. But you turned around and slammed your accuser. Hard. Whether Stenvoir was joking or not, the whole incident seems to have struck a nerve for you. You're the one making it a "him or me" argument. Why? It's not the logical leap here.

Snotra and Eric just had a misunderstanding of a joke and no one is saying one of them has to be scum.

It's the reaction, before Hervi even reveals who it is, that condemns you in my mind, Dragmall. It comes on too strong for what should have been a trivial matter. If you didn't have something to hide, I think you would have reacted far differently. My vote will stand as it is. I think this is more important than any confusion with Gerrid at this point.

[Sandy]

In your scenario Hervi doesn't know Dragmall is lying and you said earlier that both of them know who's lying (which spurred my question):

Haha, you've got me confused about my own words. I don't even know what I meant by that anymore. XD

I'm just trying to deduce the truth from what has been said, like everyone else, I guess.

[Hinckley]

Hold it, now you're postulating that Dragmall could be scum along with Gerrid when you've based your entire arguement against Dragmall on the fact that he is supposedly lying about being a neutral.

Hopefully, you can see my analysis of this evolving. I'm listening to the input of others and factoring it in. Sorry if I'm being confusing. I'm confused myself. Trying to make sense of all this is dizzying. I've said Dragmall could be neutral as Steinvoir (arguably joking) claimed or he could be up to something else. It's more about his reaction, which doesn't seem like he has the best interest of the Town.

I assume Hervi knows who was investigated. It's worrying that Artemis possibly was already blocked on Night 1, and it... actually implicates Hervi. Could this be the reason Hervi's coming forward with this elaborate story? Hervi, I wonder if anyone else was aware of Artemis' action.

I do know, as the play implicates. We agreed on Dionysus. Two other people, Poseidon and Aphrodite are aware of the situation. I told one person as a backup in case I ended up dead. If Artemis had got herself in too deep with an elaborate story, I wanted Aphrodite to implicate Artemis if I ended up dead. Then Aphrodite made me nervous and I went to Poseidon for a double backup. Explanation of why they made me nervous would probably give their identities away and I'm invested in protecting them for now. Yes, I have a small arsenal and I acquired it early. It is up to all of us to decide (well, I know my decision) if I should be trusted with this or not. I'll go down before I give these guys up, unless I see evidence that they are not to be trusted.

I still don't know what to make of all of this. I see no good reason for Artemis contacting Hervi on Day One, I fail to see the link between the investigator story and the case against Dragmall, but I also think that a neutral role claim (whether it was a joke or not) can't be left unverified.

I see reason why Artemis contacting me makes sense and that's all I'll say. There's too much at risk for me to explain that further. Aphrodite and Poseidon know why. And they're still talking to me.

As far as the neutral roleclaim goes, I agree. It would be hard to let this go unverified, but if Artemis is telling the truth, then we can expose him. Derrick's posts are really wacky. Although I remember this great old tale of a spaceship called Excalibur 2.0 where all of these noobs kept falling on the chopping block even though they were innocent but they were just ridiculously goofy in their gameplay that we lost half the town to weird weird circumstances. However, look at the thought behind what was said. "I trust people and I'll defend them if needed. Until then I have nothing to add." Sounds like Scum perspective. "I know who I would want to defend... they're not being accused..."

I'm fine with either of them being lynched, but we can't split the votes.

I'm the serial killer, guys! So. You want to verify it now? That's what you're saying, right?

This has to be way out of context... Are we missing something?

[Scubacarrot]

You just said you were the Serial Killer!? Why would I not want to kill you?

I think you are missing some context.

I still don't know what to make of all of this. I see no good reason for Artemis contacting Hervi on Day One, I fail to see the link between the investigator story and the case against Dragmall, but I also think that a neutral role claim (whether it was a joke or not) can't be left unverified.

Try to read the longer posts too. I know it's hard, I have trouble with it myself, but there you go.

[Etzel]

Snotra and Eric just had a misunderstanding of a joke and no one is saying one of them has to be scum.

I'm misunderstandning? Oh, maybe I am! :blush:

Sorry Snotra, my concept of irony was probably located in my spleen that I lost on in a fight years ago.

Unvote: Snotra (Scubacarrot)

[Scubacarrot]

Damn, I just realized something, I completely misread Finn's point. I thought he meant Gerrid was the third to vote for Danr. Because that's not the case, I will Unvote: Gerrid (Captain Genaro)...

[Pandora]

I certainly wouldn't put it past scum to lead a bandwagon, especially considering Jormund's words yesterday, replying to Danr:

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was saying.

Yesterday, at a very early stage in the day someone came to me and roleclaimed:

Anyone claiming to an unconfirmed player on Day One is a fool. Unless the former is scum, in which case it's just risky (and probably still foolish), or they happen to be a day investigator, which is evidently not so from your play, piggy-fiddler, and even if it were the case it would still be risky given the possibility of Godfathers.

I don't think someone claiming to Hervi is all that far-fethed depending in the person doing it.

Far-fetched maybe not, but bloody stupid certainly. As has already been pointed out, we can't assess this without knowing who this person is, and we're not likely to know who this person is, because (assuming they even exist, does anyone else know if they do?) we don't want them outed publicly.

But I think he knows he's not on the same side as Hervi, and the only way he could know that, really, is that he is either a neutral or a scum.

Uhm, if he's neutral, as has been claimed, he still wouldn't be sure if Hervi's scum or town. So yes, he might know he's not on the same side as Hervi piggy-fiddler if he's neutral (which is the claim Hervi's making), but he'd still be reticent if he thought there was a possibility Hervi might be town, surely?

The amount of anger in your comment makes me think you are really pissed of that you are outed as scum so soon.

So for now I shall vote vote: Dragmall (Dragonator)

Unless something better comes up.

Aaaand back to saying very little again after being so... eloquent... earlier. And as has been said, the claim is that he's neutral, not scum.

There are a number of conveniences here, which worry me somewhat. Steinvoir's death, a not very useful or revealing play (which pretty much told us "Hey, someone claimed to me with this role, without knowing anything else, do you think they're scum? Oh and by the way someone else claimed to be neutral.") but also some mutterings in private. Hervi, you were pinging my scumdar big-time yesterday, and a lot of what you're saying today doesn't add up either (as others have already pointed out).

I'm ready to vote: Hervi Pudding-Head Piggy-Fiddler (Hinckley) unless there's a flaming good reason not to.

If you have logs, why did you think it was a "fabrication"? Secondly, how did you come about having said logs? There are a few people that would normally, including those in there at the time, but I don't think you would. Someone would have given you that. Why, if it was just a joke?

Now this is a rather interesting question. I know of a few people who keep logs, including someone I spoke to in that thar tavern only a few days ago who mentioned to me that he keeps logs of all the time he is in the tavern. So how did Dragmall end up with them, unless someone was trying to help him? There are two people I can think of, one of whom is confirmed town (no prizes for guessing who that is), and one who very much isn't.

So where did the logs come from; or rather, from whom? Would anyone care to share?

[badboytje88]

Aaaand back to saying very little again after being so... eloquent... earlier. And as has been said, the claim is that he's neutral, not scum.

Well if he made the claim to be neutral himself who says he isn't lying about that and he is actually a scummy scumbag. I say his story smells of lies.

[Scubacarrot]

Well if he made the claim to be neutral himself who says he isn't lying about that and he is actually a scummy scumbag. I say his story smells of lies.

I say your reasoning smells, but you don't hear me say that! Uhm...

[Hinckley]

Far-fetched maybe not, but bloody stupid certainly. As has already been pointed out, we can't assess this without knowing who this person is, and we're not likely to know who this person is, because (assuming they even exist, does anyone else know if they do?) we don't want them outed publicly.

As I've said there are two other people who know she is real, plus Artemis herself and I hope she doesn't fall for this and reveal herself. Your behavior seems like you're trying to get her to claim to you or to everyone.

Uhm, if he's neutral, as has been claimed, he still wouldn't be sure if Hervi's scum or town. So yes, he might know he's not on the same side as Hervi piggy-fiddler if he's neutral (which is the claim Hervi's making), but he'd still be reticent if he thought there was a possibility Hervi might be town, surely?

Aaaand back to saying very little again after being so... eloquent... earlier. And as has been said, the claim is that he's neutral, not scum.

Do you honestly believe there is no possibility that he claimed neutral while actually being Scum? Perhaps claiming neutral to excuse activity he may be caught doing?

There are a number of conveniences here, which worry me somewhat. Steinvoir's death, a not very useful or revealing play (which pretty much told us "Hey, someone claimed to me with this role, without knowing anything else, do you think they're scum? Oh and by the way someone else claimed to be neutral.") but also some mutterings in private. Hervi, you were pinging my scumdar big-time yesterday, and a lot of what you're saying today doesn't add up either (as others have already pointed out).

I'm ready to vote: Hervi Pudding-Head Piggy-Fiddler (Hinckley) unless there's a flaming good reason not to.

Yes, very good. What have I been saying that doesn't add up? I can't answer to vague accusations and heavy sarcasm And where are others saying that my story doesn't add up? I'm seeing people confirming what I've said. I see backup that it is adding up. Yesterday, you took what I said out of context. I agreed with Danr's defense of Bergulf and then voted for Danr, which you claim makes me suspicious. That would make sense if Danr had accused Bergulf. But Danr had defended him with a valid defense and yes, I agree, Danr was right, yesterday was a typical day for Bergulf in the history of games...of life. So, if Danr was Scum (which we now know he's not) and was defending Bergulf to win favor with the Town, he would've had to have had a valid defense that the Town would readily be able to agree with. See where your original train of thought was just off? Since then, I've worked my pigs off for the Town, trying to coordinate claims in private and bring forward information in a way that doesn't endanger anyone. And now you are hinting that I would be less suspicious if you knew who Artemis was. Why would I throw all of my hard work away to verify myself when revealing Artemis could result in the death of our potentially only investigator? And how could a story like mine be made up? A lot of Townies are in that play as aliases, they know who they are and they know I'm telling the truth. I think you're very smart and I respect you a great deal but your analysis is way off here. If I'm lynched, I'll turn up Town and all my hard work will still pay off as everyone I've been in contact with will know that I've been on the level with them. If I'm lynched, I really hope you're Scum, because your mistrust of me is disappointing.

[Waterbrick Down]

Well if he made the claim to be neutral himself who says he isn't lying about that and he is actually a scummy scumbag. I say his story smells of lies.

Actually there is debate on whether that claim was said in seriousness and the accuser (Hervi) himself has admitted that his other companions thought it was a joke as well as the accused. So he never claimed in seriousness that he was a neutral. In fact he is seriously claiming otherwise currently. I don't mean to prick, but you are seeming more and more anxious to back up a vote based on others' arguments without fully reading them.

[Dragonator]

The logs came from someone in the chat that is not in the current situation with us. As it is a public chat there was naturally no issue in sharing them. I think a more telling thing to mention is that both of the other individuals that were present did not see what was said as a serious comment, it was a clear joke made to poke fun at Hervi.

I can't make a long comment right now, but then I don't think much needs to be said. Hervi is doing his usual scum thing, which is to use his usual plays to try and direct discussion to what he wants. I note no proper discussion has happened regarding his behaviour yesterday. Speaking of behaviour, I should probably add that Steinvor had a few things to say about oink-face before he died. He found it weird that Hervi did NOT contact him before the first say as he usually does, and notably didn't say he hoped they were on the same side. Perhaps because Hervi knew already that they were not? Then when they did talk in the pub, Hervi was quite obvious in his attempts to make Stienvor think I shouldn't be trusted, by mentioning how much I "enjoyed" killing everyone in our fuzzy D&D session recently. Funny how his entire case is metagaming when it comes down to it, isn't it? Entirely based on the dumb assumption that I would be stupi enough to roleclaim to a townie if I was not. He really doesn't understand viking behaviour at all. :hmph:

The assertions that I would act differently were I town are also not very manly ones. I always stand up for myself, and I always seem to be told I should react differently to things no matter what role I play. Clearly nobody really knows and they are just trying to find more unfounded reasons to accuse me. :shrug:

Anyway, from my assessment of Hervi's behaviour so far I feel I am right. He would be a lot more indecisive were he town, but it is always easier to spot direction when someone already knows that their accused is town.

[Hinckley]

Obviously, Demeter knows who Artemis is too. So that is four of us... Sorry, that slipped my mind.