LOTR & The Hobbit 2013 Set Discussion

[Haltiamieli]

don't understand why yazneg is on the white warg either. Azog should have been with that set.

For what ever reason, it seems that Jackson & co. didn't want Azog's design to leak out before the film premiere, so I doubt Lego designers had much choice. Warg Attack set isn't that accurate in other aspects either, and some things like Orcs lighting fires seems to have been taken straight from the book, when they haven't had enough information on the film scene.

[The Legonater]

Whenever I imagined LEGO doing Minas Tirith/Pelennor Fields, I always pictured it laid out in a full LotR wave, like the following. Bear in mind that these are Canadian prices I'm basing things off of.

9.99 - 14.99: Orc Catapult with Rider of Rohan, 1 Orc and/or Gothmog

19.99 - 24.99: Fell Beast with Witch-King, Eowen and Merry.

39.99 - 44.99: Grond with Minas Tirith gate and(?) section of wall. Several orcs and soldiers of Gondor.

70.99 - 74.99: Mumakil with Easterlings, Legolas and Gimli.

99.99 - 104.99: Corsair ship with Corsairs of Umbar, Aragorn, Oathbreakers.

Insert high price here: Minas Tirith. Soldier of Gondor, Orcs, Gandalf, Pippin, Denethor, Faramir(?)

[Faefrost]

I want dol guldur as a set, hopefully the desolation of smaug gives dol gulder some love, it looks so awesome!

I also think TLG could do something with the pale ork, I am a bit annoyed that we get yazneg on the white warg instead if him, he would make a wicked figure!

Technically we already have a Dul Guldur set released. 30213 is "gandalf at Dul Guldur". Granted it is a figure polybag that says nothing about the place... but it hasn't been ignored.

I think that the descriptions have been confused.

There was talk about a year ago describing that there was going to be an LEGO Flying Dutchman (seperate from the LEGO Spongebob Squarepants set). There were no preliminary pictures but there was a couple of users on the forums who had connections with the workers of the LEGO Stores and they confirmed that there was going to the a LEGO Flying Dutchman that was over 2000 pieces. It was soon cancelled and nothing more has been heard of it. This is all from memory so it may be hazy.

I seriously doubt that there will be a corsair ship with 10-12 mini-figures. The ships had minimal screen time and would not be a good set for the line's second wave.

Also, to debunk rumors of a mixed Hobbit and Lord of the Rings wave, LEGO has stated in the past that these lines are separate

The Corsairs ship may seem an odd choice if you are simply thinking of it from the view point of a lotR fan. But from Lego's viewpoint it is actually a very good set idea from them. It is one of the few "vehicle" scenes in LotR. Something other than the bley half walls and trees. It sits at a perfect spot in the movie to allow them to combine figs from the Fellowship, the Army of the Dead, Corsairs or Orc's, at their pleasing. It can easily be done using the many ship mold pieces they have. And it broadens the Lego LotR customer base by attracting the Pirate fans. It may seem like an off movie choice. But it would make a really good play set. Which is more how they gauge things.

As far as mixed Hobbit and LotR. it isn't so much "mixed" as they release smaller blocks of each at the same time. Just like they do with DC Super Heroes vs Marvel Super Heroes.

Does everyone think elrond will be released again in future sets? Or since he was the promo fig. For the video game will this be the only time we see him?

Spoiled don't read if you haven't seen the movie

don't understand why yazneg is on the white warg either. Azog should have been with that set. What are some of the other minifigs everyone is looking forward to?

Im starting to doubt the eagles nest set also after seeing the movie, not saying they wont add eagles to a different set though.

Keep in mind for the first wave... The Lego designers didn't get to see the movie any earlier than we did. They probably got to see maybe 10-15 minutes of rough early footage involving some specific sets to give an idea of what they should sort of look like. They most likely got to see it once, in a small room, while they took some notes, and were allowed to work off some concept art.

As far as Elrond. We will never see that particular battle armor clad Elrond figure again. But we will probably see an Elrond minifig as he appeared in Rivendale.

[TWP]

I don't know if this is the right place for this question, historic themes doesn't seem to have a topic for general questions.

I think many of those winter Hobbit sets could look great between some of my star wars collection, maybe I can convert the 79003 an unexpected gathering to a yoda's hut, the 79004 might look great in my tatooine-jabba the hutt palace, 79002 attack of the wargs would be great as tree in Endor, 79001 escape from mirkwood spiders might be good in an Umbaran forest...

but because I'm a star wars collector I don't want to pay even more for lego and pay the full price for those sets.

and becaus I don't need the minifigs, I can consider to sell them.

Does anybody knows how much I could get for those minifigs, and how much the sets would eventually cost me?

Edited December 15, 2012 by TWP

[Deathleech]

That is what this whole line should have been focused on, imo.

Why would they focus the first Hobbit wave on Erebor when it is undoubtedly going to be featured much more in the second and third films (entire battle takes place outside in the third), and it was merely a flash back in AUJ? That makes no sense. I know it looks cool and all but there will be MUCH better times to produce Erebor themed sets.

Does anybody knows how much I could get for those minifigs, and how much the sets would eventually cost me?

I can't speak for the Netherlands, but here in the U.S. you could get at the very minimum half the total cost of the set back if you sold the minifigures. More realistically you are looking at 2/3 the total price back just from the minifigures though. For instance The Goblin King Battle is $100 MSRP. The Goblin King alone goes for roughly $17, each of the dwarves 8-9, Gandalf 2-3, and the orcs about 5-6. That's roughly 50-65 for the minifigs. If you get the sets on sale at all (Amazon currently has the Goblin King Battle for 20% off), you re looking to get everything for even less.

[PassionateMOCNoob]

and becaus I don't need the minifigs, I can consider to sell them.

I'm from the Netherlands and would be interested in the mini figs! Maybe we could even trade some (I must have some Star Wars mini figs). Unfortunately I have no idea how I can send you a personal message, maybe I can't because I havn't reached XX posts yet...

[wonkyeye]

Just thought I'd point out that the 2012 sets preliminary pics were leaked on December 19, so we could be seeing something any day now!

[DJ Bricks]

Just thought I'd point out that the 2012 sets preliminary pics were leaked on December 19, so we could be seeing something any day now!

Yeah, but Lego seems to have put a lockdown on prelims, we didn't get a single one this year for 2013.

Edited December 16, 2012 by Neville longbottem

[Flobnomdob]

We could still use Tonto's face for Azog...? And Frakjaw's for Bolg? Anyway, I saw the film in the UK recently and do think it's a shame that Azog looks like that, to be truthful. He's got a really boring costume and a hand thing stolen off Calibos. I used to hate Yazneg's look but now I think i'd rather have him as the main enemy than the 'Pale Orc'.

[Mahtion]

Erebor and Rivendell needs to be made in some capacity. Either that or a set called Elf Ambush with Two Elven horsemen and two wargs with some rocks and a bit of land. Would be a nice battle pack for wargs and elves. The elven riders could have banners with lances and bows. One with a helmet and the other with elf hair and ears. More importantly we could get white new horse molds and cool harnesses.

Would also love to see a White council set with Galadriel and Saruman in a set together. Or any set that has the new Rivendell guards. That way we could get Armored Elrond but in a new paint and still keep Prologue Elrond as exclusive if needed.

Edited December 16, 2012 by Mahtion

[jhc2nmfn]

Maybe the rumored set "Council of elrond" is actually the white council from the hobbit instead of the council that created the fellowship? It would definitely make more sense including galadriel gandalf saruman and elrond rather than legolas, gimili, elrond, frodo, gandalf, boromir, or anyone else that was present at the formation of the fellowship. All of the figs that could be included for the scene from LOTR have already been released atleast once and some more than once. Compared to the hobbit council where the only re-release would be gandalf and elrond (and having two elronds is never a problem though lol)

[Faefrost]

Maybe the rumored set "Council of elrond" is actually the white council from the hobbit instead of the council that created the fellowship? It would definitely make more sense including galadriel gandalf saruman and elrond rather than legolas, gimili, elrond, frodo, gandalf, boromir, or anyone else that was present at the formation of the fellowship. All of the figs that could be included for the scene from LOTR have already been released atleast once and some more than once. Compared to the hobbit council where the only re-release would be gandalf and elrond (and having two elronds is never a problem though lol)

That would make sense. Really the only "new" minifgs You could get out of a LotR council would be Elrond, an Old Bilbo and an Old Gloin. Although I do kind of wonder what if any playability a Hobbit type White Council would offer? ("Look kids it's Sauruman... sitting in a chair. Nono your eyes are deceiving you, his lips actually are moving when he is speaking. Honest! we swear! We're not filming a "Weekend at Elrond" movie with Christopher Lee.")

[jhc2nmfn]

your right, but really there isnt much playability with a fellowship council set either. a breaking axe? or a rock table that has a place to set the ring ? I could really see the rivendell set looking very similiar to the bonus level council rivendel structure from the LOTR videogame. I think any rivendell set that is released will be less for playability and more just to hit an iconic scene of the movie. Although i understand thats probably not what TLG will be shooting for.

[HawkLord]

Council of Elrond could just be the Dwarves (or more accurately Gandalf convincing the Dwarves) meeting with Elrond and could include mounted Elves and Elrond in armor.

[Mahtion]

Council of Elrond could just be the Dwarves (or more accurately Gandalf convincing the Dwarves) meeting with Elrond and could include mounted Elves and Elrond in armor.

Yes this would work well. We could have the little courtyard and then stairs leading up to the round dome chamber of the Council scene. Also if we get a Gandalf the White in the Black Gate set TLG could reuse the white horses for this set for the Elven riders. Also it is an opportunity for them to reuse Saruman from Orthanc Wizard Battle set.

Ideal minifg count:

2 Elven riders, 1 armored Elrond, Galadriel, Saruman, but which dwarves? Maybe Thorin he should have extras being the main hero and leader with perhaps Dwalin and a Bilbo for good measure. The riders would definitely add some action to the set and which kid doesn't love armored silver knight types with lances?

I just wonder if Elrond would be armored or just Council attire, I highly doubt we would get both.

However if TLG has different sets of Rivendell, Council of Elrond for FOTR and another for the Elven riders, it would be possible to combine them to form a larger portion of Rivendell.

[Darth Caedus]

This makes some sense, as it would allow double duty for a new Saruman hairpiece (Isengard set as well).

I hope for 2 Elven Riders, Armored Elrond, Galadriel, Saruman, Gandalf, Elven flute-player and/or Figwit. No dwarves or Bilbo are really needed.

[Gryphon Ink]

I think Nuju Metra did an AMAZING job making a realistic MOC of it that Lego might do. If you haven't checked out his thread, I would suggest doing so. He estimated the set costing $250. I dunno if this is a realistic number or not, but I do know you could easily get rid of the 2 catapults and Fel Beast he included and shave off anywhere from 50-100 bucks. These things could be added later in another normal set or an army/castle builder like the Uruk-hai Army set. Ideally I would of liked to see one more city level, but if it's too expensive what he did would still work great. Regardless Lego has tons of routes they could go with Minas Tirith (one huge $400 D2C set, a couple big sets that attach, one large $150-200 flagship set with accompanying army builder/castle builder, etc.), and I hope they do the set justice.

I hadn't seen that, so thanks for the link. That is a pretty damn awesome MOC, and proof that it can be done. Hats off to Nuju Metru. Somebody needs to give that man a job building Lego.

I remain unconvinced that this is the way TLG will do things. Yes, yes, I'm more stubborn than a Dwarf, but I just don't think that's how they will handle it. The "set" is awesome, but $250 is still a good ways higher than the norm for standard retail sets.

Ultimately this debate won't be resolved until TLG show us what they're doing. You and Nuju Metru have proven that a reasonable "full city" set is possible for a reasonable price, I just think the price, while reasonable, is not right for TLG's standard pricing tiers. I suggest we shake hands and wait for the next round of wild rumor-mongering.

Edited December 17, 2012 by Gryphon Ink

[Im a brickmaster.]

This makes some sense, as it would allow double duty for a new Saruman hairpiece (Isengard set as well).

Actuly, I believe the hair used in the game is the Ginny Wesley hair in white.

I think that would be more likely then making a new mold. Perhaps someone

should try and paint it to see what it looks like.

Edited December 17, 2012 by Im a brickmaster.

[Haltiamieli]

Actuly, I believe the hair used in the game is the Ginny Wesley hair in white.

I think that would be more likely then making a new mold. Perhaps someone

should try and paint it to see what it looks like.

I haven't played the game, but at least in the promo pic Saruman has different hair than Ginny. I think Ginny's hair with it's hair clip would look slightly awkward.

Edited December 17, 2012 by Haltiamieli

[Mahtion]

This makes some sense, as it would allow double duty for a new Saruman hairpiece (Isengard set as well).

I hope for 2 Elven Riders, Armored Elrond, Galadriel, Saruman, Gandalf, Elven flute-player and/or Figwit. No dwarves or Bilbo are really needed.

True, the dwarves and Bilbo aren't needed but I'm trying to be realistic. We know TLG wont make a set with just Elves, usually they recreate a scene and if so that means including some of the dwarves because with Gandalf he can be used in both places, courtyard and White Council.

As for Minas Tirith I believe it will be initially attempted by two sets, one with just the outer walls to simulate the defense and siege and another with the tower of Ecthelion and the White Tree with a couple Citadel Guards.with the white wings on their helmets.

Any extra sets for Rivendell are way beyond speculation right now but I hope we see at least two or three portions or a larger attempt (anything around 70 will make me happy).

Also I hope just because Mirkwood featured in 2 sets in the first wave that excludes it from the second wave. I really hope we get a Thranduil minifg and some guards seen in the Prologue in Erebor. Maybe if we get a Throne room set, that is very iconic to the book and sure to be popular in Desolation of Smaug.

[zylek]

I was surprised that there wasn't a Bjorn set in the first wave because he was initially supposed to be in the first film. He just seems like he'd have great kid appeal, but maybe he is being kept from spoilers like Azog.

[Faefrost]

I was surprised that there wasn't a Bjorn set in the first wave because he was initially supposed to be in the first film. He just seems like he'd have great kid appeal, but maybe he is being kept from spoilers like Azog.

Notice that most of the stuff that Lego has released, that required custom molds, have been of subjects that were released in promo information quite awhile ago. We knew what the Goblin King would look like, We knew what the Wargs would look like. We knew what Yazneg would look like. The Trolls were fairly secret until the last trailer, Azog's look was secret until the movie released, and while we have seen some set pics of Beorn's house, we have not had any actual looks at Beorn himself yet. From the set we know he is quite large, so probably somewhere in the size range of Hagrid from HP.

[zylek]

^ Great point and really makes sense. I guess he's probably a lock for the wave before the next movie. I always loved the giant eagles in LOTR and now the Hobbit, I hope through either a LOTR set or Hobbit (Wouldn't be until the third movie now) that we get an opportunity to get at the very least one. I'd personally love several.

[Gryphon Ink]

I always loved the giant eagles in LOTR and now the Hobbit, I hope through either a LOTR set or Hobbit (Wouldn't be until the third movie now) that we get an opportunity to get at the very least one. I'd personally love several.

There is an opportunity right now: the Fierce Flyer Creator set is a very pretty eagle, although it needs a minor mod to put studs on the back for easy riding, and I'd like to see someone come up with a better beak.

[Crownie]

Hmm. Because the Hobbit was initially supposed to be two movies - not three - and we got 6 sets for the first wave, I'm kind of going on the assumption that TLG has (or had) about 6 more sets assigned to the Hobbit film(s). All of which would take place after the barrel escape. The extra 6 months and extra film really does throw a wrench into things. If LEGO generally spends a year developing and producing each set, how much leeway do they have to make adjustments this late in the game? Do we expect more than 6 additional sets? Or even that many?

Realistically, you'd think some of this depends on the popularity of the films and LEGO sets, though with that year of lead time, I'm sure TLG has a certain amount already invested.

It will be interesting to see if they go backwards chronologically to cover material they've missed, though I'm certainly not expecting it.