Mahtion Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Deathleech and Darth Cadeus both have great points. No disrespect Ecc or to the Lego designer but why did the Castle fans need 3 traditional green ranger elves? Would a compromise have been that bad with 1 armored elf and 2 of the ones we got in the set? I think it is more realistic to believe that Lego simply did not want to make a new armored design print when they had no intention of making a new helmet mold in this wave. I have hope to believe that they will make a mold for Wave 3. The helmets worn by the armored Elves in the trailer have very complex designs compared to the Mirkwood infantry we have seen in the Prologue of AUJ and we will see again in TABA. I still feel that the inclusion of the shields in MEA is just a sad reminder of what could have been and seems incomplete in the current set design. I do wonder what the designer of MEA was thinking when he (?) gave Thranduil a plain dark grey broadsword. Quote
Shroffy123 Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 When do you think these sets will start appearing on shelves? I remember the last waved showed up in early November out here in the pacific northwest. Quote
Fives Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Last year the ToysToysToys at the Eaton Centre in Toronto had all the Hobbit sets (except Barrel Escape) by early to mid november. I called the store the other day to inquire about their knowledge of the upcoming sets. From the sounds of it, they are aware of the sets, and the girl I talked to said she expects they'll get them in the next couple weeks. So hopefully I'll have these sets by mid november. Quote
Shroffy123 Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 @fives, can you give me the region/area? That's great news Quote
Fives Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 It's in the Eaton Centre in downtown Toronto. ToysToysToys is a toy store chain that is only located in and around Toronto. Quote
Seaber Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 This wave we have new molds for Beorn, Thranduil, Radagast, Azog's head, Azog's arm and the Gundabad Orc armour. This is pretty cool as people have been clamouring for new Orcs and it gets four main characters in plastic. We will have an opportunity at the BO5A to see armoured Elves, but probably not the Woodland Guard again. The only disappointing thing in the hoods instead of hair. If you equate Dol Guldur Ambush to WIzard Battle, Mirkwood Elf Army to Council of Elrond, Lake Town Chase to Battle for the Black Gate and Dol Guldur Attack to Pirate Ship, then could we get a Smaug set similar to the Tower of Orthanc? Quote
Hive Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 I actually talked to the designer, who made the Elf Army set, at Legoworld and it was good to hear they listen to fans. For example, the new gothic arch in reddish brown and the fact that the elves don't have flesh on their torso's was a wish coming from us, the AFOL community. Fantastic news that they are listening regarding unnecessary flesh colors on the torsos. Quote
The_Creator Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Fantastic news that they are listening regarding unnecessary flesh colors on the torsos. Agreed, no flesh on the torsos is always very nice so they're usable for both fleshie and "yelloie" MOCs. Quote
Fives Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Well, the designer who made Mirkwood Spiders and worked on Orthanc designed Mirkwood Elf Army. I wonder if he'll make a set for the next LOTR wave? EDIT: 2000th post! Now I'm a Duke! Edited October 23, 2013 by Fives Quote
Darth Caedus Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Deathleech and Darth Cadeus both have great points. No disrespect Ecc or to the Lego designer but why did the Castle fans need 3 traditional green ranger elves? Would a compromise have been that bad with 1 armored elf and 2 of the ones we got in the set? I think it is more realistic to believe that Lego simply did not want to make a new armored design print when they had no intention of making a new helmet mold in this wave. I have hope to believe that they will make a mold for Wave 3. The helmets worn by the armored Elves in the trailer have very complex designs compared to the Mirkwood infantry we have seen in the Prologue of AUJ and we will see again in TABA. I still feel that the inclusion of the shields in MEA is just a sad reminder of what could have been and seems incomplete in the current set design. I do wonder what the designer of MEA was thinking when he (?) gave Thranduil a plain dark grey broadsword. It's definitely a compromise - they probably conceptualized the armored Elves, but cut back to save $ and left the printed shields which aren't a financial burden. The set has multiple flaws as well, like the silly PoP dagger and a broadsword for Thranduil - they could have just used katanas, which would've been much closer to Elven weaponry. I'm only consoled by the fact that we have a good shot of getting armored Mirkwood Elves in the BO5A wave. At least we'll have more than enough shields from MEA if and when we get Armored Elves (and please, Lego, have the good sense to make the Elven spear in bronze to match their coloring!) Quote
deskp Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Well, the designer who made Mirkwood Spiders and worked on Orthanc designed Mirkwood Elf Army. I wonder if he'll make a set for the next LOTR wave? He if its happening then he's working on that too most likely, lego operates in teams, all the middle earth stuff is deisgned by the same group. Quote
Lord Tyrus Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Wow, thanks Ecclesiastes, these look great, can't wait to get my hands on Dol Guldur Attack! Quote
deskp Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Interesting, from the recent photo of Beorn and gandalf next to each other, Beorn is only a head taller than Gandalf. This explains why lego didn't use the long legs, seeing as he's not THAT much taller. BUT the long legs would have added nearly the exact same height difference that is displayed in the movie so the long legs would have been a fantastic and correct solotion. Edited October 23, 2013 by deskp Quote
BrickQueen Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Interesting, from the recent photo of Beorn and gandalf next to each other, Beorn is only a head taller than Gandalf. This explains why lego didn't use the long legs, seeing as he's not THAT much taller. BUT the long legs would have added nearly the exact same height difference that is displayed in the movie so the long legs would have been a fantastic and correct solotion. I couldn't agree more. Quote
Darth Punk Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Yeah but that can be very deceiving. Gandalf according to Tolkien is 6'4", though I don't think the actor is that tall. So if your perception is a tall gandalf then you see beorn being much taller when in fact the actors could be similar heights. A little movie magic, the right camera angle, someone standing on something or in a hole and you have a scene. You see this all the time in Tom cruise movies who is barely over 5 ft tall yet never appears that short next to other actors. Quote
Clone OPatra Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Well, that's why the LEGO sets are based on the movies, and not the 'making of' the movie. It doesn't matter how big the actors are or how they were filmed. There's trickery (read: movie magic) involved to get the Hobbits and dwarves to look little, too. What he's showing is how big Beorn is going to appear in the film. I'm not surprised that Beorn is regular-fig sized, though. So has been making Chewie a regular fig forever, even though in the Star Wars films he's quite a bit taller than regular people. Even the new version of Chewie (made since the invention of the Woody arms and legs) is going to be the same size. Quote
Darth Punk Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 No I'm saying its all subjective. The scene could be beorn standing on a set of stairs and appearing taller in a close up. But that doesn't mean that they are saying he is physically taller, they could be implying other meaning. So they only way to really judge the, would be to see them standing next to each other from head to toe. Otherwise it could really mean a variety of things (read:movie making). Quote
Seaber Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Gandalf is 5'11", Azog is 7'. Beorn doesn't have an official height yet, but his tall hairpiece helps make him giant sized. Woody legs would make him looks a bit gangly I think. Quote
Mahtion Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Yeah but that can be very deceiving. Gandalf according to Tolkien is 6'4", though I don't think the actor is that tall. So if your perception is a tall gandalf then you see beorn being much taller when in fact the actors could be similar heights. A little movie magic, the right camera angle, someone standing on something or in a hole and you have a scene. You see this all the time in Tom cruise movies who is barely over 5 ft tall yet never appears that short next to other actors. Tolkien said: ...a figure strongly built and with broad shoulder, though shorter than the average of men and now stooped with age, leaning on a thick rough-cut staff as he trudged along... Gandalf's hat was wide-brimmed [...] with a pointed conical crown, and it was blue; he wore a long grey cloak, but this would not reach much below his knees. It was of an elven silver-grey hue, though tarnished by wear - as is evident from the general use of grey in the book... But his colours were always white, silver-grey, and blue - except for the boots he wore when walking in the wild...Gandalf even bent must have been at least 5 ft. 6... Which would make him a short man even in modern England, especially with the reduction of a bent back. Direct quote saying 5'6", not sure where you got your information. So Gandalf was shortest of the Istari and was no where near 6ft or the 7ft of the Noldor including Galadriel. Ian McKellen was actually too tall to play the canon Gandalf if following a purist stance. Quote
Hive Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Well, the designer who made Mirkwood Spiders and worked on Orthanc designed Mirkwood Elf Army. I wonder if he'll make a set for the next LOTR wave? Nice. Mirkwood Spiders is one of my favorite Hobbit sets so far, have two of them - mostly for the leaves and mushrooms. Quote
Lynx Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 I just had a look at the higher resolution pictures on page 1 and love the Radagast figure! And Beorn might grow on me once I've seen the movie. Thranduil, on the other hand, might be suffering from the worst head/ hair mold of the Middle-earth line! His ears growing out of his neck make the figure look ridiculous. The statue in Dol Guldur Battle has a hidden compartment containing the One Ring (I think). I wonder if there is some relevance for the movie, if it's meant to be Thrain's ring, or if it's simply a LEGO element added as play feature. Quote
Fives Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Now that we've gotten that look at Beorn, I love his design! The only thing I find funny: his hairpiece should've been dark grey and light grey, rather than dark tan and tan. Quote
Mr Breden Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Beorn's design has really grown on me, particulary now that we see him from a different angle Quote
Infernum Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Beorn looks much better in that picture! . LEGO's design is great too! Quote
Fives Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Speaking of the new image, where did it come from? Quote
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