Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End

[Scouty]

I liked it alot. The special effects were very good. The story was nice. I would definately say this is the second best out of the whole series. In order like this POTC 1 (2nd) POTC 3 (1st) POTC 2 (3rd). With all having very high likings. So, POTC 2 is still good. While the other two are very good.

I really enjoyed it. And there were alot of nice things in there.

I already bought the soundtrack...hehee.

Rock Crabs and Many Jacks!

My Peanut!

Hoping for a fourth movie!

[zero1312]

Hoping for a fourth movie!

I too! ;-)

I watched them all, and they're some of the best pirate movies I've seen so far! :-)

Jack on! *y*

[Privateer]

I thought it was crap. I was even more disappointed with this movie than I was for Dead Man's Chest. I was willing to forget the second movie's shortcomings if the third made up for it, but alas, it did not. As I watched, the movie kept on getting more and more ridiculous. And I was so looking forward to this film! If you had told me before I watched it, I would not have believed that it would be so bad. I am going to pretend that the first movie was the only one made, and I won't be getting At World's End when it comes to DVD. There was just so much missed potential with this. Definite disappointment. *n*

Edited May 29, 2007 by Privateer

[Norrington]

Well, here are my veiws,nitpicks,complaints,questions, and pointing out of things as shared in the Pirates Forum version of this thread.

CERTAIN AMOUNTS OF SPOILAGE BELOW!

Well, I love the seris (Duh, look at my name) but with the exception of Norrington they make the British Marines/sailors/officers look like idiots who can't fire strait, when they would have had to go through months of training. In CoBP they missed Jack when he was standing allmost still and they were in a large group (so that their shots would have a higher chance of hitting.)But in DMC, look at that! Jack-hole Sparrow shots off a pefectly strait slow-motion shot at the Kraken, when just 1 minute before, he was acting incredibly intoxicated.

Warning: Plot Spoilers in rant!

Having just seen the movie today I have to say, my opinion about them being incredibly biased against the British has not changed much. The Royal Marines: still mis-firing, only hitting something if it's a pivotal plot point, still not realizing that the section of docking that they are attempting to walk on is destroyed, and still being blown up with special effects.

Endeavor, the British Flagship is promply sunk in 1 pass. Look at paintings of naval battles, 3 deck ship of the lines are meant to hold up to more then that. Plus, Beckett starts going crazy, and none of his inferior officers have the sense to tell the men to fire. The only way the Endeavor could be sunk in 1 pass, is if one of the shots (none of which hit below the waterline) hit the power room, which is un likley, because I beleive that people still had to have had the sense back then to put the powder room on the orloop so that is is not very likley to be hit.

Then there is Beckett's "SLO-MO" scene, where he is walking down the Endeavor's stairs, and as he walks the section of stairs behind him promptly blows up. Which could not have happened, they would not have cought fire like they did, just splinter... Unless, one of the ever-ignorant marines mixed up paint with blasting jelly.

Also, Norrington's death was unnescesary, and he COULD have lived (I am not speaking on my liking of the character!) Was Bootstrap's actions nescasary? Probably not. Once again, very anti-English.

They also seem to have changed the British Marines from the traditional red w/ white facings over to what would appear to be the uniform of Royal Artillary.

On a lighter note, the scene was Jack is hallucinating that copies of himself are crewing the Pearl was rather funny.

"MY peanut" :-P

Certain amount of Spoilage below!

Hmm... On reveiwing the movie in my head I saw numerous eferences to the attraction in the parks (Which I only saw them in the first one, they were absent in DMC).

Now to show my intimate knowledge of the attraction:

Davy Jones' locker, the screen goes black for a couple of seconds, and I for sure heard:

1."Strike your colors, you blooming cockraoches!"+ cannon fire which is from the Bombarding the Fort scene.

2."What be I offered for this winsome wench..." From the Auctioneer

3."Dead Men Tell No Tales!" from the Haunted Caverns

4.And misc. laughter and giggling from the burning town scene/chase scene

5.Barabossa says "You may not be survivin' to pass this way again," which is from the old Ghostly Narraration (replaced by Davy Jones in a waterfall 8-( ) at the end of the grotto scene and also part of the new Davy Jones narraration at the upramp.

Still, as much as I enjoyed the movies, I hope they fade from the public spectrum in 5 years so that maybe the Disney Exec.s remove the God Forsaken Jack Sparrow, Barabossa, and Davy Jones animatronics, and return the ride back to what is was in the 1960's (Original Non- Politicly correct chase scene) even the version with the "Politicly Correct" chase scene would work. Just leave the original ride+performers alone and make the wanna-bes get their own boat ride.

You know, when I was at Walt Disney World's inferior version, I said something simila to this, and all the Johnny Depp groupies who just came to the ride for him gave me some really bad looks. You'd be surprised how many there are...

This has been nagging me for a while, but I havn't posted it yet. I was wondering, why did they switch from acurate uniforms (Red w/ white facings, blue w/ white facings) to the innacurate (dark blue w/ red facings, blue w/ gold facings)? Are they uniforms that the EITC used for their private army? I think so, but have been unable to find pictures of what the uniforms looked like in real life in the 1720's.

Edited July 9, 2007 by Norrington

[Zaktan of the Shadows]

I havn't seen it yet, but I was supposed to yesterday...

-ZotS

[simonwillems]

I saw the movie and it was horrible: unrealistic, no pirate-feel to it, too many different story's put together. :-X

How many times can the same ship sink??? >:-(

If they will ever release a fourth movie I will not be amongst the piratefans who will assemble in cinema's around the world to watch it. What I heard/read was that Orlando Bloom had had it with the serie of movies and therefor wasn't signing up for a fourth part.

Well, here are my veiws,nitpicks,complaints,questions, and pointing out of things as shared in the Pirates Forum version of this thread.

CERTAIN AMOUNTS OF SPOILAGE BELOW!

What's the point in posting empty quote-boxes?

[UniqueBuilder]

What's the point in posting empty quote-boxes?

Highlight them. ;-)

[simonwillems]

Highlight them. ;-)

NOOOO! I feel stupid, thanks for pointing it out...... :-D

[Scouty]

Well, here are my veiws,nitpicks,complaints,questions, and pointing out of things as shared in the Pirates Forum version of this thread.

Endeavor, the British Flagship is promply sunk in 1 pass. Look at paintings of naval battles, 3 deck ship of the lines are meant to hold up to more then that. Plus, Beckett starts going crazy, and none of his inferior officers have the sense to tell the men to fire. The only way the Endeavor could be sunk in 1 pass, is if one of the shots (none of which hit below the waterline) hit the power room, which is un likley, because I beleive that people still had to have had the sense back then to put the powder room on the orloop so that is is not very likley to be hit.

Now remember, they were being bombarder by 2 ships, the Flying Duthman and the Black Pearl, powerful ships. Plus, if you didn't see, there were explosions, big ones, so this indicates that it did hit the powder rooms. Also, the sailors must've depended highly on Bekette for orders, with no response, and with cannon balls bombarding their ship, the guy next to him really paniked and said "ABANDON SHIP!" Everybody abandoned ship, or at least tried to. :-) .

[El Bucanero]

Mr Norrington said this a while ago...

Endeavor, the British Flagship is promply sunk in 1 pass. Look at paintings of naval battles, 3 deck ship of the lines are meant to hold up to more then that. Plus, Beckett starts going crazy, and none of his inferior officers have the sense to tell the men to fire. The only way the Endeavor could be sunk in 1 pass, is if one of the shots (none of which hit below the waterline) hit the power room, which is un likley, because I beleive that people still had to have had the sense back then to put the powder room on the orloop so that is is not very likley to be hit.

And Mr Tiber's answer:

To start with, Like Mr Scouts said, the ship is being assaulted by two other powerful ships.

Second, asuming the cannon decks are full of gunpowder damps(Crewmembers of the HMS Victory had to use lanterns to prevent the ship from blowing up, read from a reliable source) that might have caught fire. That aside, there has to be a little powder in there to load the guns. Big chance it caught fire. The fire starts expandind and the powder damps start to explode. Sooner or later the whole ship will be blown to Davy Jones' locker... Or let's say, Will Turner's locker.. :P.

Capiche? :-)

Mr Tiber

[casewindu]

I dont know what you all see in pirates of the caribbean. I went to see it yesterday, because I was dragged along and it was terrible! >:-( Its soooooo confusing because I hadn't seen the second one, and they tryed to make the story incredibly difficult so that it would drag into about 3 hours.

why where they even fighting? coins or something was it? fight scenes where the only good thing about it.

[El Bucanero]

Its soooooo confusing because I hadn't seen the second one.

Here's the living proof: You shouldn't see POTC III if you haven't seen part II...

Mr Tiber

[Corvus]

My turn to rant. :-|

I mentioned this in the 'What movie have you seen recently' topic, but I'd prefer to rant in longer detail.

For starters, I'd like to mention my annoyance at almost every ship in POTC. First, lets take a look-see at the Black Pearl. If you take a look at the her, she is not what you would call fast(for a ship her size). In the first film, the Pearl is a set on land. In the second and third, she is a floating, notice I said floating, non-authentic model. Take a look at this picture. To put it kindly, she is a leaky tub. Those masts aren't quite done, but even if they were, the ship would not really be much of a threat to the Caribbean. Then, there is the Endeavor. I do not know much about this ship, but I agree with Norrington. It was pitifully inadequate in the film. If the Peal and the Flying Dutchman had that kind of firepower, they would most likely tip over from the weight of the cannon. That brings me to the Dutchman. She should not look like that. It is true she is a cursed ship, but that doesn't mean she is covered with sealife, or even rotting. She is actually doomed to try to sail around the Cape of Good Hope, which her master vowed that he would sail round, even if it took him till doomsday. As for what she looks like, there is a varied description of her. The most usual description is that she is seen from afar, glowing with unearthly light, red, or the green glow of Saint Elmo's fire. Anyway, she is grossly overpowed. What is with those triple guns?! As for the third ship that appeared for any bit of lenght (and that has some background) there is the Interceptor. She is the only real tall masted ship in the movie. Her real name is the USS lady Washington, an american ship that was built in 1750, and then rebuilt in 1987(she was repainted for the film). I have been aboard her, and she really is quite a beautiful ship! So much so, she has been used in many movies- POTC, Master and Commander, and Enterprise in Star Trek Generations, I almost cried when she was sunk in the first film. Even though she was mentioned as the fastest ship in the Caribbean, she isn't that fast of a ship; her hull speed is around 10 knots.

Then, there's the mythology of POTC. The only thing that really bugs me about this is the fact that Davy Jones is not captain of the Flying Dutchman. The real captain of the Dutchman is Captain Hendrick Van der Decken, or just Vanderdecken.

And, also Norrington's complaint that all the British soldiers are idiots... But of course, that's probably just an American veiw! :-D

Did anyone notice, that as Lord Beckett is walking down the banister, cannonfire is advancing behind him, but the Dutchman and the Pearl are going the other direction? In other words, Beckett (and the cannonfire sounding behind him as he walks) is walking towards the bow, but the two ships are going towards the ships stern? *wacko*

Even though it sounds like I despise the movie, I don't. It's just the few problems Hollywood put in it.

"My peanut."

Edited June 3, 2007 by Mr. Mandalorian

[Norrington]

And, also Norrington's complaint that all the British soldiers are idiots... But of course, that's probably just an American veiw! :-D

No, I'm saying they make them look like idiots After all I am a British Imperialist at heart, American as I am Also, when in reality, they probably wouldn't be idiots. And to Mr. Scouts and Mr. Tiber:

Have you ever seen pictures of real naval battles? I mean, the Pearl and Dutchman are quite powerful, but the Endeavor would not have been sunk in 1 pass. In reality, the HMS Victory took on 2 ship-of-the-lines at once, and guess what happens? Well, needless to say, the Victory survives. So I have no doubt in my mind that the Endeavor would have held up. Think of this: People back then probably realized that black powder was dangerous, and probably had the powder room on the orloop, which I beleive is how its done on the Victory. Though there probably was powder on the gun-deck, the shot from the FD and BP would only cause it to fly everywhere, not start in fire. So if the Victory can take 2 ship-of-the-lines at once, the Endeavor can most certainly take on 2 20-gunned ships. Also, about Beckett, I beleive that if your superior officer is no longer fit to lead, the second in command of the ship has control, and the man who yelled "abandon ship", probably would have yelled "FIRE!".

Edited June 10, 2007 by Norrington

[Scouty]

No, I'm saying they make them look like idiots After all I am a British Imperialist at heart, American as I am Also, when in reality, they probably wouldn't be idiots. And to Mr. Scouts and Mr. Tiber:

Remember this...These movies are made to entertain. And at it's already long pace, I doubt they would want to shoot more footage for another pass. More time to do another pass in CGI as well. The makers of the film try to make as historically accurate as possible (Jack Sparrow's flintlock pistol is an actual one from the era) but they can't get it 100% right.

[5150 Lego]

Remember this...These movies are made to entertain. And at it's already long pace, I doubt they would want to shoot more footage for another pass. More time to do another pass in CGI as well. The makers of the film try to make as historically accurate as possible (Jack Sparrow's flintlock pistol is an actual one from the era) but they can't get it 100% right.

Exellent point. This reminds me of the converstions that have been transpiring about the new Tansformers movie. There are certain catagories of people that movie makers have to apeal to. Some are the diehard POTC fans, some historics, and just people that want to be intertained .

Imperial scouts is right. This is not a documentary, but a movie. To be honest, i never would have known the facts about the black pearl, or Davey Jones if Mr Mandalorien hadn't meantioned it. And i'm sure 885% of the movie veiwers wouldn't have either. Movie people can't get everything right, and somtimes they have to decide what is going to make them more money.

[Corvus]

I know movies are meant to entertain, but it would be nice to see some historical accuracy.

But, yes, you're right. Another pass would result in a full naval battle. I'm not sure I could have sat there that long...

No, I'm saying they make them look like idiots After all I am a British Imperialist at heart, American as I am Also, when in reality, they probably wouldn't be idiots.

I meant that the "American veiw" thing was that the British soldiers are meant to look like idiots in many cartoons. I know that they were nothing close to idiots in reality. After all, they were soldiers.

BTW, the quote says 'casewindu', not 'Mr. Mandalorian'.

[mutley777]

I know movies are meant to entertain, but it would be nice to see some historical accuracy.

These films are nothing but fantasy, action fun. Historical accuracy! You have got to be joking right! The first film is about zombie pirates, the second a 100 year old damned crew with a squid headed captian, and the last going to the land of the undead and bringing someone back to life! Come on, with a story like this do you really expect historical accuarcy :-D . The films are great fun and great entertainment. If you want to pick holes in films at least do it to one that is based on or around a true story!