Legends of Chima TV Series

[Good Cragger Fan]

I highly doubt it. Ninjago didn't turn Garmadon good until the second season, resolving those two major plot points so early would really defeat the purpose of the entire show. I'd say we will have to wait atleast more than 10 episodes, especially the latter.

Question: Are you referring to Lord Garmadon or Lloyd Garmadon in not turning good in personality until the last episode of the second season of the Ninjago: Masters of Spinjitzu TV series. If it is the former thing in comparison to when the current plot points of the Legends of Chima TV series will be resolved there, then LEGO better damn well have a full third season of the Legends of Chima TV series that has Cragger, Crominus and Crunket in fighting on the good side with the Lions and their allies, against Crooler and the other evil animal warriors, or I will be very, very disappointed, to put it mildly, here.

[Meiko]

If you have not yet seen, the new trailer can be seen here:

[PenPlays]

I'm sorry for the double post -- but who here on Eurobricks thinks that Cragger will turn good sometime in the next few episodes of the TV series, and also, who thinks that Crominus and Crunket will escape the clasped cave and fight against their evil daughter, Crooler, sometime in the next few episodes?

I see this as very likely. In fact, I think Crooler is going to be the main villain throughout the entire story (Villain lady? Hell Yeah!)

Lego's Youtube Channel may have left out the English version of the first two Chima Episodes, however these guys are English exclusives

Edited March 25, 2013 by Penkid11

[PenPlays]

Sorry to double post, but there are more...

I got a kick out of a couple, but seriously, why couldn't they have done this for Ninjago?

This has been a very good night! Let me COUNT the ways!

Edited March 25, 2013 by Penkid11

[Tobias_Jay]

^He he, I see what you did there .

Personally, I really want Cragger to stay bad for at least 1 full season, or at least until next year when they can advertise the Crocs as good guys in the sets next year. Really I feel it would be helpful to the story if Cragger stayed evil forever but Crominus and Crunket can't stay down that hole forever...

Edited March 25, 2013 by Wall E2624

[Kai NRG]

...This has been a very good night! Let me COUNT the ways!

Congrats!

Seriously though, those were pretty good, even without sound. And I do think it is possible that Craggers turns good soon, the only problem there is that the croc tribe really is following him, not Crooler, so if he turns good she's left with... the wolves, I guess?

[Meiko]

Those are pretty funny, maybe there will be more for the next episodes. I do hope Cragger doesn't turn good too soon, but a man vs. self struggle could add some great story if Cragger does try to fight being bad.

[Lyichir]

Those are pretty funny, maybe there will be more for the next episodes. I do hope Cragger doesn't turn good too soon, but a man vs. self struggle could add some great story if Cragger does try to fight being bad.

I agree. I loved Avatar: The Last Airbender, and while it foreshadowed Zuko joining the main cast as a hero since pretty much the beginning of the series, it had him have to work and struggle with himself to get there. Many fans were expecting him to turn good when given the choice at the end of Season Two. But the writers brutally subverted fan expectations instead by having him aid his sister instead. That kind of thing is great. It fueled his internal struggle for most of the rest of the series.

One thing I love about Chima is the potential for that sort of factional change. Each faction has its own separate motivations, which means the line of battle could change direction as the series progresses. Perhaps if Cragger turns good the rest of the crocs would follow him and ally with the Lions; perhaps they would have become too entrenched in the war by that point and would remain opposed to the Lions. Perhaps if Crominus returns he'll call for an end to the war, or perhaps he'll see the spoils of war as an opportunity that simply hadn't been available to his people during peacetime. Meanwhile, you have tribes like the Ravens whose allegiance is volatile due to being beholden only to the highest bidder, as well as tribes which have not yet picked a side. Personally, I don't expect the croc tribe as a whole to ally with the Lions any time soon; that would shift the balance of power to predominantly favor the side of good and thus could bring the series to a premature end. However, there's the chance that singular members of the crocodile tribe could defect to the side of the Lions, and as new tribes are introduced it opens up the potential for the currently engaged tribes to shift their allegiances.

I regrettably haven't had the opportunity to watch any of the show yet, but I plan to rectify that this week. Hopefully that will inspire me with ideas for MOCs and such, since I've recently had a dearth of inspiration.

[Good Cragger Fan]

If you have not yet seen, the new trailer can be seen here:

I thank you for the trailer, "Meiko"! It appears that Cartoon Network in the US (and Teletoon in Canada) will only show one new episode and the other two will be repeats of what has already been aired back in mid-January.

I see this as very likely. In fact, I think Crooler is going to be the main villain throughout the entire story (Villain lady? Hell Yeah!)

Lego's Youtube Channel may have left out the English version of the first two Chima Episodes, however these guys are English exclusives

Sorry to double post, but there are more...

I got a kick out of a couple, but seriously, why couldn't they have done this for Ninjago?

This has been a very good night! Let me COUNT the ways!

These bloopers are so funny to me! I thank you for sharing these!

^He he, I see what you did there .

Personally, I really want Cragger to stay bad for at least 1 full season, or at least until next year when they can advertise the Crocs as good guys in the sets next year. Really I feel it would be helpful to the story if Cragger stayed evil forever but Crominus and Crunket can't stay down that hole forever...

Congrats!

Seriously though, those were pretty good, even without sound. And I do think it is possible that Craggers turns good soon, the only problem there is that the croc tribe really is following him, not Crooler, so if he turns good she's left with... the wolves, I guess?

Those are pretty funny, maybe there will be more for the next episodes. I do hope Cragger doesn't turn good too soon, but a man vs. self struggle could add some great story if Cragger does try to fight being bad.

I agree. I loved Avatar: The Last Airbender, and while it foreshadowed Zuko joining the main cast as a hero since pretty much the beginning of the series, it had him have to work and struggle with himself to get there. Many fans were expecting him to turn good when given the choice at the end of Season Two. But the writers brutally subverted fan expectations instead by having him aid his sister instead. That kind of thing is great. It fueled his internal struggle for most of the rest of the series.

One thing I love about Chima is the potential for that sort of factional change. Each faction has its own separate motivations, which means the line of battle could change direction as the series progresses. Perhaps if Cragger turns good the rest of the crocs would follow him and ally with the Lions; perhaps they would have become too entrenched in the war by that point and would remain opposed to the Lions. Perhaps if Crominus returns he'll call for an end to the war, or perhaps he'll see the spoils of war as an opportunity that simply hadn't been available to his people during peacetime. Meanwhile, you have tribes like the Ravens whose allegiance is volatile due to being beholden only to the highest bidder, as well as tribes which have not yet picked a side. Personally, I don't expect the croc tribe as a whole to ally with the Lions any time soon; that would shift the balance of power to predominantly favor the side of good and thus could bring the series to a premature end. However, there's the chance that singular members of the crocodile tribe could defect to the side of the Lions, and as new tribes are introduced it opens up the potential for the currently engaged tribes to shift their allegiances.

I regrettably haven't had the opportunity to watch any of the show yet, but I plan to rectify that this week. Hopefully that will inspire me with ideas for MOCs and such, since I've recently had a dearth of inspiration.

"Kai NRG", you should keep in mind that Crug and Crawley are probably villains by choice, since: they were not hipnotised by Crooler at any time (only Cragger was hipnotised there); they also laughed evilly (or at least Crawley did there) on at least one occasion while they were under no hipnosis there (Cragger only laughed evilly once while he was hipnotised by Crooler's orchid), and Crawley's voice sounds evil to me (his voice creeps me out at times! ).

"Wall E2624", I could live with Cragger being evil the entire TV series, so long as Crominus and Crunket escape the cave and join the Lions' side against their son and daughter, Cragger and Crooler, respectively, before too many episodes have aired there. (If this happens in reality, I'll be changing my username on here from "Good Cragger Fan" to "Crominus Fan", when and if the moderators will let me do so, since I would no longer be a fan of Cragger, if he stays evil forever on the TV series (which would be a real shame! ).)

"Meiko", a man versus his internal stuggle concept would be a good thing for Cragger (and the storytelling of the Legends of Chima TV series), for the episodes that transition him from him being a villain to a hero (or even an anti-hero and/or an anti-viilain), as long as it doesn't persist for half or the better part of a season or, god forbid, the majority of the TV series.

"Lyichir", it would be great if LEGO had introduced a few evil, outcasted (ex-)members of the Lion tribe, like the (hypothetical) evil sister of Laval and two or three (hypothetical) evil Lion animal warriors (as Laval's evil sister's henchlions), who were the first animal warriors of any tribe in the land of Chima (them including the Crocodiles) to steal Chi orbs from the sacred pool of Chi before episode 1 of the TV series had even began then, which could really help explain why Crominus and Crunket (falsely) accused the Lions (Laval, to be more specific here) of talking Cragger into sneaking into the Lion Temple to steal some Chi before Cragger (and Laval) were old enough to handle it, whereas as, in fact, it was Laval's (hypothetical) evil sister and her henchlions, and Crooler, Crug and Crawley (as-of-then Cooler's (hypothetical henchcrocodiles) who talked Cragger into taking himself and Laval to the Lion Temple to look at the Chi pool and steal some Chi, so Crominus and Crunket accused the wrong Lion animal warrior in addition to them not knowing that Crooler had also a lot to do with it. Therefore, we would have two factions that are within both the Lion tribe and the Crocodile tribe (some Lion aimal warriors and Crocodile animal warriors would be heros and herolines, and some Lion animal warriors and Crocodile animal warriors would be villains and villainesses). Now that would be epic story telling on LEGO's and Wil2Films' part; therefore, the story would not have a premature ending, as both sides would be too evenly matched there, and thus the story could last for many years!

Edited April 9, 2013 by Good Cragger Fan

[Kai NRG]

Well, technically speaking Crug/Crawley/Croc tribe minions in general may have shown themselves to be evil, but it strikes me that they aren't thinking much, just following... who? If they're following Craggers, I think my point is valid. Maybe they have a preference for being bad, there's no way to tell (IMHO) ATM, so that's up to the producers.

[PenPlays]

Crawley and Crug are obedient minions. They follow the leader. It has nothing to do with their own choice.

Also Kai, it's Cragger.

(Where are all you people getting that "s." )

[CM4Sci]

Tonight's episode was neat! The show's intro is interesting, and because of captions, I can finally understand part of the Unleash the Power song. Some new characters and some new voices were heard like Eglor's and Ewald's, Willhurt, Razcal, Rukus and Runk (got the names from captions) I liked Gorzan's part of the episode the most. Flower power!

Also, Laval + Eris? Someone, come up with a name, quick! Erval, Laris!

EDIT: Episode 4, already:

Trailer saying it is the last episode

Actual episode part 1

-Sci

Edited March 28, 2013 by CM4S

[just2good]

Episode 3 was a filler! But, episode 4 looks pretty cool. Thanks Sci for finding that!

[PenPlays]

Trailer saying it is the last episode

Not another "Pilot Season"

[krystalKING]

Episode three was interesting, My thoughts below. WARNING: CONTAINS SPOILERS

First of all, the pacing has improved, and it felt much longer than thirty minutes, which is a good thing. The voices somehow improved, and the characters are much more mature than the first episodes.

Foscus on the eagles came true, but in a roundabout way. Eris demonstrates much of her personality, as she acts quickly (Interceptor dive and escape pod come to mind.) Her voice actor really pulled out all the stops, as she sounds like I originally thought she would sound like. She still hasn't cracked any jokes, or told a story, but She has defianitley improved. The Flower power is amazing, as well as Gorzans acting. The Ravens made me laugh till I couldn't anymore, Razcal in particualar.

Also, is anyone seeing a boyfriend-girlfriend thing going on with Laval and Eris? Even Cragger mentioned it. i don't mind this, but I'd rather see Eris courting a warrior Eagle, like Ewar. Either way, i'm fine.

Overall, this nights episode exceeded my expectations!

EDIT: Episode four!? Final episode!? Beavers!?

EDIT 2: Not watching episode 4 part one, I'm going to wait,.

Edited March 29, 2013 by krystalKING

[Speedza-Demon]

I enjoyed episode 3, and I thought it was a large step up from the other two despite being mostly filler. The characterization and voice acting were improved, Eris wasn't just a plot device this time, and the subplot with Gorzan and the flower was entertaining. The only thing that bothered me was some of the casting, Wilhurt and Eglor sounded nothing like I thought they would.

[Good Cragger Fan]

Tonight's episode was neat! The show's intro is interesting, and because of captions, I can finally understand part of the Unleash the Power song. Some new characters and some new voices were heard like Eglor's and Ewald's, Willhurt, Razcal, Rukus and Runk (got the names from captions) I liked Gorzan's part of the episode the most. Flower power!

Also, Laval + Eris? Someone, come up with a name, quick! Erval, Laris!

EDIT: Episode 4, already:

Trailer saying it is the last episode

Actual episode part 1

-Sci

In episode 4, Laval's father, Lagravis

dies somehow, at least it is what I heard via Laval in the trailer for this episode (I had a feeling that LaGravis would fall down the same cave that Cragger's parents had fall down before then -- it is even in how I would envsion the plot would go there in future episodes -- but I would never have him killed off there (nor I don't think that LEGO would allow that), so I'm really, really surpised by this new development; and there is a deep, dark secret that Lagravis (I believe it was him, but I'm not completely sure about this) was keeping from Laval! Also, in the actual Episode 4, Part one video that was linked here, Laval and Eris go on a joyride up a spiral shaped mountain on LaGravis' Tank without his permission.

Of what I have seen so far here, the episode was epic to watch here!!!!

Edited March 28, 2013 by Good Cragger Fan

[Good Cragger Fan]

Episode three was interesting, My thoughts below. WARNING: CONTAINS SPOILERS

First of all, the pacing has improved, and it felt much longer than thirty minutes, which is a good thing. The voices somehow improved, and the characters are much more mature than the first episodes.

Foscus on the eagles came true, but in a roundabout way. Eris demonstrates much of her personality, as she acts quickly (Interceptor dive and escape pod come to mind.) Her voice actor really pulled out all the stops, as she sounds like I originally thought she would sound like. She still hasn't cracked any jokes, or told a story, but She has defianitley improved. The Flower power is amazing, as well as Gorzans acting. The Ravens made me laugh till I couldn't anymore, Razcal in particualar.

Also, is anyone seeing a boyfriend-girlfriend thing going on with Laval and Eris? Even Cragger mentioned it. i don't mind this, but I'd rather see Eris courting a warrior Eagle, like Ewar. Either way, i'm fine.

Overall, this nights episode exceeded my expectations!

EDIT: Episode four!? Final episode!? Beavers!?

EDIT 2: Not watching episode 2 part one, I'm going to wait,.

I'm sorry for double posting here (it seems that I can't edit a post by adding additional quotes and then replying to them, so what is up with that?), but I believe the reason in why that they said that Episode 4 is the last episode is because they were referring to the last episode of the pilot season (as I would personally call "Season 0"), so I really, really, really wished that Cartoon Network (in the US) and Teletoon (in Canada) showed all four episodes back in mid-January of this year or wait until all four of them are ready for telecasting in the English Language Markets in North America, since, as of right now, LEGO, M2Fims, Cartoon Network and Teletoon are really holding us mentally hostage here (especially me!) , as we have to wait so long between episodes 2 and 3 (and betewen episodes 3 and 4, but I'm not too sure about that, so only time will tell us ) to find out what will happen there, especially with Cragger, Crooler and their parents! However, I'm pretty sure that there will be more episodes in the summer of this year [unless it really is the end of the TV series and they are going to redo the TV series, with at least some of the Crocodiles in being heroes and/or with a brand new, never before seen or hear of here (or anywhere else, it aside from people who have inside knowledge of LEGO's future plans for the Legends of Chima TV series) reptilian tribe, who are on the good side of the war (my personal first choice), as two possible examples]. Also, about Laval and Eris in being in a supposed romantic relationship -- I wonder if Laval's father would approve of that (me never mind the other Lion tribe members and Ewald and the other Eagle tribe members (other than Eris, of course!)), and how can a Lion and any other animal (other than another Lion), even in the land of Chima, possibly produce children? -- so can anyone tell the answer (or answers) to me about these two things?

Edited March 29, 2013 by Good Cragger Fan

[PenPlays]

I love the spoiler tags that everybody is using don't you, everyone who hasn't watched the new episode?

This episode was certainly filler, even though it still was a nice episode overall. I've noticed that by signifying the Eagles' intellegence they have given Ewald and Eglor congested "nerdy" sounding voices. I am displeased.

Edited March 28, 2013 by Penkid11

[Kai NRG]

I love the spoiler tags that everybody is using don't you, everyone who hasn't watched the new episode? ...

I don't mind at all, even though I haven't watched the episodes, and after all there has been one spoiler tag and someone else warned at the head of their post...

Anyway, I was kind of afraid of their being something between Laval and Eris - which does not make either of those characters better in my eyes. As far as what you said under the tag GCF, that would be quite an interesting development, at least it's good to know that the story won't be quite as predictable from here on out.

[Meiko]

Trailer saying it is the last episode

Looks like that was added by whatever website has that trailer. The "Final Episode" text is the same style as the xinmsn.com/okto text. I guess we can only wait and see.

[Lyichir]

Having watched all three episodes for the first time, I have mixed feelings about the series.

Pros:

The animation is top-notch.

The battles seem much more dynamic than those in Ninjago, with many factions engaged in several scuffles (compared to most of Ninjago, which typically featured waves of enemies advancing on relatively few "heroic" characters.

The voices are typically really good. Every time Laval speaks my heart melts; he's so kawaii.

The core story is compelling, and I'm eager to learn more about the dense mythology of Chima.

The characters are really fun; even characters who mostly serve as comic relief like Gorzan, Razar, and Plomar.

Cons:

The writing is generally awful, and this tempers my enthusiasm for all other aspects of the series. The dialogue feels like it's talking down to the audience, with characters frequently stating the obvious or reiterating plot points which have already been explained thoroughly. Even the most amazing voices can't redeem poor dialogue, and it also affects my enjoyment of the story.

The pacing varies wildly, and I feel it was a mistake for the show to try to pack the entire backstory into the first episode (compare Avatar: The Last Airbender, which only delved into the main character's backstory in depth halfway through the first season).

Overall, the show was decent enough for me to want to keep following it. But it's definitely got some serious flaws. It remains to be seen if this will be remembered as a rocky start to a series which got better over time, or a sign of how the rest of the series would unfold.

[Aanchir]

Having watched all three episodes for the first time, I have mixed feelings about the series.

Pros:

The animation is top-notch.

The battles seem much more dynamic than those in Ninjago, with many factions engaged in several scuffles (compared to most of Ninjago, which typically featured waves of enemies advancing on relatively few "heroic" characters.

The voices are typically really good. Every time Laval speaks my heart melts; he's so kawaii.

The core story is compelling, and I'm eager to learn more about the dense mythology of Chima.

The characters are really fun; even characters who mostly serve as comic relief like Gorzan, Razar, and Plomar.

Cons:

The writing is generally awful, and this tempers my enthusiasm for all other aspects of the series. The dialogue feels like it's talking down to the audience, with characters frequently stating the obvious or reiterating plot points which have already been explained thoroughly. Even the most amazing voices can't redeem poor dialogue, and it also affects my enjoyment of the story.

The pacing varies wildly, and I feel it was a mistake for the show to try to pack the entire backstory into the first episode (compare Avatar: The Last Airbender, which only delved into the main character's backstory in depth halfway through the first season).

Overall, the show was decent enough for me to want to keep following it. But it's definitely got some serious flaws. It remains to be seen if this will be remembered as a rocky start to a series which got better over time, or a sign of how the rest of the series would unfold.

Agreed on all points. However, something I observed myself is that M2Film's animation style (giving characters a sort of jumpy stop-motion quality to their movements) and the very slapstick nature of the action suggest this isn't a series that's meant to be taken all that seriously. The real question is, does this work for a series with such a dense level of invented mythology as Legends of Chima? It feels somewhat disjointed to me — without taking the show seriously, it's hard to properly digest and mentally apply the mechanics and history of the invented universe to future episodes.

The deliberately comedic aspects of the series, like Gorzan's subplot in the third episode or any scene with Plomar, are largely enjoyable. But the stilted dialogue makes it very difficult for me as an adult to enjoy the series, and I think a lot of kids would also have a hard time enjoying the show.

[PenPlays]

In episode 4, Laval's father, Lagravis

dies somehow, at least it is what I heard via Laval in the trailer for this episode (I had a feeling that LaGravis would fall down the same cave that Cragger's parents had fall down before then -- it is even in how I would envsion the plot would go there in future episodes -- but I would never have him killed off there (nor I don't think that LEGO would allow that).

The episode is called Joyride... Laval crashed the Royal Fighter... How does that equate to Lagravis being dead, who according to the portion of the fourth episode available is negotiating with the Rhinos!?!

[krystalKING]

Alright, I gave in. WARNING, EPISODE FOUR SPOILERS AHEAD

This is a very interesting first part. There's not too much to say about it, as its rather short, but I will order what I have below:

Eris' improved personality continues, which has me happy, and seeing her fly was nice. The showing of a birds sensitive respitory system was a nice scientific fact, but I can't believe she went along with Laval, isn't she supposed to be the responible one?

Laval actually has chores, which is a nice suprise, and the Rhinos, I will be over in the corner laughing when they come on again.