Heartlake Heartbreak - Day Two: Flagpole Sitta

[Scubacarrot]

No, I watched Oscar, and saw Fozzie bear target Oscar.

[Hinckley]

No, I watched Oscar, and saw Fozzie bear target Oscar.

Sorry. I fixed it.

Oh shit, I fixed it! Oh well, I'd rather get a penalty vote than let the n00bs flail around confused and not following along.

[Zepher]

I seem to have napped through most of the voting, but I think that the best case today is clear.

Vote: Walter (Waterbrick Down)

[Tamamono]

It turns out Walter was blocked by a jailkeeper...so he was blocked and protected.

Alright, that makes sense. Either way, a block is a block, and since there was no scum kill, Walter's still our lynch.

Plus, the possibility of us having another protector in addition to the jailkeeper is fairly low, so that seals it for me with Walter.

I still don't get the playing of Fred, while I understood from Oscar that I should not get int trouble with the Police / with him. I do not know why I should trust Oscar, but I think I remember that he is verified?! Is he the only one yet?

I think Fuzzie Bear or Fozzie Bear or something bear verified Oscar last night, from the looks of what might soon be a play.

Then there is the case against Walter, I think. As far as I can understand, he was being blocked? And from what Oscar told, protected as well? And now we accuse him for the lack of a night kill?

Please help me here, that I get the things right.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper

But another theorie came to my mind: if if wouls be the scum killer, then today's kill would have been a clever move, wouldn't it? Oscar claims that killing Jane would be very townie or good. Then the killer kills jane. Hooray, he must be pro-town. Hooray, the scumkill was blocked then last night. Hooray, Walter must be the scumkiller because he was blocked (?) last night.

Please get me right, I just want to know, what makes us sure about Walter?

Um?

There is zero reason to not lynch Walter today. He was blocked while there was no scum kill, and even if it was a protection/conversion, we can't let someone who was blocked on a no-kill night go running around.

As for the daykill being the scumkill, that's almost impossible. They had no reason to kill Zara yesterday - they would have been more likely to kill Oscar/Fred yesterday than quiet old Zara. Plus, it would be strategically unfair for the scum to kill during the day, their kills wouldn't be affected by blocks/protections/tracks/watches/etc. (unless day actions are a thing now ), making it possible for them to choose whoever they wanted to kill each day.

AND, even if the scum, through some incredible plot twist, are the day killers, then that still means that Walter has a kill action and used it last night. If he was the vig, Oscar wouldn't be letting us lynch him now, so if your theory is right, Walter is the serial killer and works at night, so there's no reason not to lynch him today.

What's wrong, scummo? Afraid to vote for your partner?

Of course, there's the other possibility that there was no kill attempt at all, whether because of a conversion, or a some crazy gambit to confuse us. Maybe the scum have a reason to hold back on kills, though what that would be I'm not sure.

While a crazy gambit would be possible a ways down the road, Night 1 is never the right time to gambit with something like that.

[Hinckley]

Just for fun, let's go through Walter's list of suspicions he sent to me in private. I told him his usual analytical self was missing so he provided me some in-depth analysis. Sorry to pester you this way, Walter. I know you've been extremely busy and being picked apart like this while trying to focus on real life things is super annoying, I know, but Wild West printed horses are dead, and so are Zara and Jane, although we didn't know them very well, they were quiet, everyone must pay a little price for answers:

Sara

Heather

Danking Horsey-Face (can't remember his name)

He thinks there's Scum amongst the lurkers.

[Piratedave84]

There is zero reason to not lynch Walter today. He was blocked while there was no scum kill, and even if it was a protection/conversion, we can't let someone who was blocked on a no-kill night go running around.

I have to agree with Tammy here seeing that a case was made against Walter or at least he is suspected of attempting to kill on a day where no kill took place.

We have to put the theory to the test and lynch him while we can still afford a "mislynch" as someone else also suggested.

If walter turns up town which IMO is unlikely, we can then turn our attention towards the lurkers.

[fhomess]

I tend to agree that it doesn't much matter if Walter was blocked straight or blocked and protected. Either way, he was blocked. I'm very curious if there's another blocker out there who blocked someone else, but at this point, they seem to be keeping quiet about it or have no one they trust enough to share that with. If you're out there and a town blocker, I think you owe it to the town to let us know who you blocked in some way as that would be another viable candidate under the same criteria that puts the target on Walter.

Walter, am I correct that you are now claiming vanilla? You seem to be implying that.

As for my vote, I want to throw out this one: Vote Mike (Bob)

The primary reasoning for this is that I don't like the fact that he gave his lunch to Oscar on day 1 with no reason and despite being called out on it earlier in the day, he's failed to respond to it satisfactorily. He's also been rather terse with several comments and not entirely paying attention.

[Hinckley]

Walter has (perhaps cleverly) stated that he didn't go out last night. That could be interpreted as he has an Action or doesn't. If anyone used their lunch on him last night, letting someone you trust know would be helpful. Hopefully the lunch that shared the object.

[Scubacarrot]

I'm gonna Vote: Katie (Psykater)

I am not opposed to Walter's lynch, the tangible fact that he was blocked, and there was no scum kill as far as we know, although I have severe doubts about this Jailkeeper, a jailkeeper is more often found in the hands of a scum, I have found. And he was worried Walter would have an easy way out? There is about as much chance for him being the kill target as for him being the target. I don't think he would be an impossible target for the scum to go for, if they were say scared of the MOST high profile people likely being protected or watched or whatever.

But. I do not want the same scenario as yesterday where the day is ended before everyone can have their say, and potentially send their lunches in. Especially the Apple People, can potentially really find something out, which would be great. So don't forget to that before the voting ends! While a lynch is of course a good thing, we should not be too hasty, as the more time to talk, probably the best.

Katie has been not been very helpful at all, I feel. Her posts today:

Could you both stop arguing now? I do not see how this could help the town somehow?!

While this is perhaps not false, she both fails to help the town herself in any way shape or form, and she does not try to resolve the issue that were at hand.

Her other post was the one just now, which Oscar nicely analyzed. The conclusion we can pull from this is that Katie is not helping. She does not want to be seen as a sheep or flying under the radar, she says. I am sure that is true, but try harder. Confusion is a tool. Scum both sow it and feign it. A lot of standard scum tactics, which I normally would say do not cover everything, can be seen with Katie. The sheer number of the ones I can recognize makes me wonder if there is not some truth to them after all. Here goes:

Confusion. Check.

Summarizing. Check.

Asks for confirmation on stuff already clear in thread. Check (Hey, Walter has this one too.)

Pulls conclusions that may very well have another reason. Check.

Acts helpful. Check. (Her first of two posts today).

Promises she'll help more later. Check. (A common theme among people it seems, Billie is notorious for this as well, may not mean anything.)

And that's just from her two posts today. I had a look over her posts from yesterday, and found the following:

Post 1: OHMYGOD SOMEBODY IS KILLING X, WE MUST FIND Y SOON!

Post 2: Roleplaying.

Post 3: She asks Fred why he is so eager to vote, the fact that she is HESISTANT to vote is interesting, she calls Trisha out for being strange. That part was not wrong.

Post 4: This is interesting. I will link it:

Phew, I am lost in all this discussion. How can a cookie be a lie detector? I heard they are vomit-inducing? So does she want to read the truth in my poop? Strange doctor. Well, just that you know, I am innocent as well.

But I think this is weird. Just as this cute little hedgehog said, it started somewhere completely different and then it became this lie-dectector one-use cookie thing somehow. Maybe because this little hedgehog has read too many stories on his computer.

However, I will

vote: Trisha (TrumpetKing67)

for now, because I want you to clarify this whole thing. Your claim does not work out properly, if you understand what I mean. Maybe start again from the beginning. Or admit that it was just a joke. Give us something. If you can convince me about your action, then I will retract my vote, as I do not want to sacrifice such a (possibly) important role for our town. But now you just seem to try to make yourself important for the town to save you from lunch lynch. Pretty scummy, don't you think?

Scratch that. While I was thinking what I was about to say, this police officer came with doubts about this lie detector thing himself. I have to think about it again. My vote still stands as I still want Trish to clarify (more then ever).

Something that came to my mind and I think it was mentioned before, is that this whole thing could be made up. It is just a thought and I want it to put into the room so that we can discuss over that. My point is that the scum could have made arrangements to claim this whole lie detector thing. So Trisha and the police officer (what was his name?) could have tried to appear helpful for the town. As it did not work, they try to retract now.

I will think about it and come back later with my thoughts. I am curious what the discussion will bring up until then.

So let's break this down. While I must say this is actually one of her least standardized scum behavioural pattern things, there is this: She immediately starts with saying she's innocent for the lie detector, which speaks in her favour, she was the third person to vote for Trisha at that point, apparantly because of clarification. That part's all good. The thing I'm not too sure about is the fact she tried to incriminate Fred. Now, a lot of things can be said about Fred. A LOT. But I also think he's town, very much so. What I think Fred would have done differently if he was scum? He probably would not have gone in a fight with me, he would also not have brought forward information that very well could be used against him. I think Fred's cool. While the theory she brought forward I would then have classified as not impossible, I think it is impossible. Fred's smarter than that. Maybe not smarter, but definitely sneakier. You know what I mean.

Post 5: She basically said she does not have lunch. Which is very interesting. Could it be that the scum don't have lunch after all? We don't have evidence per se that they do, only assumptions of balance. She again tries to send suspicion over to poor Fred.

Post 6: Summarizing, basically.

Katie loves to summarize and to complain how things are too hard, too fast, whatever. (don't even think about it). I am not sure, I think unhelpful townie is still a distinct possibility, but so is dirty scum. Some clarifications, some insights and a response would be greatly appreciated, at the very least.

[Hinckley]

although I have severe doubts about this Jailkeeper, a jailkeeper is more often found in the hands of a scum, I have found.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper

According to that link, it's more likely to be a Town role.

Katie loves to summarize and to complain how things are too hard, too fast, whatever. (don't even think about it). I am not sure, I think unhelpful townie is still a distinct possibility, but so is dirty scum. Some clarifications, some insights and a response would be greatly appreciated, at the very least.

Do you recall Matilda's dream called Mafia School: Police Infiltration? This is metagamey, but Katey was a leader and had a deep analysis of the events transpiring and leading the Town, the Scum took her out on Night One. Or two... I don't remember. But it was a very different dream. It's metagaming, I know. But even without that knowledge, the confusion act is a bit overkill.

[Tamamono]

I am not opposed to Walter's lynch, the tangible fact that he was blocked, and there was no scum kill as far as we know, although I have severe doubts about this Jailkeeper, a jailkeeper is more often found in the hands of a scum, I have found.

Uh?

Jailkeeper is a town role, Daisy. It belonged to a scum in a book about a dysfunctional Japanese family, but it's generally a town role given to overpowered towns to handicap them slightly from what I've seen. This Jailkeeper, from Oscar's description, either knows he's a Jailkeeper or has the ability to not use the blocker side of his Jailkeeper abilities, however. Anyhoo, I digress.

I have to agree that Katie is likely scum, but if she is, she's scum with Walter. She even said in her post that she realized why Walter was being voted, yet still made up a hairbrained theory about the daykiller being scum. It looked to me like she was trying to play the noob card there for a minute, but after going over her post several times, I noticed that she's basically saying, "Yeah, so I don't get why Walter is being lynched. He got blocked and must be the scum killer right? Oh, well, the daykiller must be scum because Walter's innocent." Which is a blatant defense of practically confirmed scum.

Also, I urge everyone to not split the vote too much. While separate votes are good for reads later on, too many and we could end up with a No-Lynch today with almost confirmed scum. That would really suck, like, a lot. I'm going to count the votes really quick to make sure we have enough for a majority (including current nonvoters), but please, think about the lynch before throwing out a vote 'to make a point'.

[Scubacarrot]

http://wiki.mafiascu...itle=Jailkeeper

According to that link, it's more likely to be a Town role.

Do you recall Matilda's dream called Mafia School: Police Infiltration? This is metagamey, but Katey was a leader and had a deep analysis of the events transpiring and leading the Town, the Scum took her out on Night One. Or two... I don't remember. But it was a very different dream. It's metagaming, I know. But even without that knowledge, the confusion act is a bit overkill.

That website is not always great, and I did say I have found. I am certainly not ruling out he is town, but I would not be so sure on his word alone, and I do find it more suspicious as a jailkeeper than as a blocker.

Yes, you brought that up earlier. A change of location can be unsettling and confusing to some, but if she displayed excellency there, and none of that here? Odd, yes.

Uh?

Jailkeeper is a town role, Daisy. It belonged to a scum in a book about a dysfunctional Japanese family, but it's generally a town role given to overpowered towns to handicap them slightly from what I've seen. This Jailkeeper, from Oscar's description, either knows he's a Jailkeeper or has the ability to not use the blocker side of his Jailkeeper abilities, however. Anyhoo, I digress.

Also, I urge everyone to not split the vote too much. While separate votes are good for reads later on, too many and we could end up with a No-Lynch today with almost confirmed scum. That would really suck, like, a lot. I'm going to count the votes really quick to make sure we have enough for a majority (including current nonvoters), but please, think about the lynch before throwing out a vote 'to make a point'.

How can it not be used to handicap a team of villains, rather than the good guys? Again, MY personal experience says more scum than town, that may not be an actual representation of how things are, but there you go.

I don't think so, to me it sounds like she's just being too careful, as a scum would be in this situation. What would happen if Walter is found innocent tomorrow? The first thing that happens is her accusers and blind followers of the lynch are going to be called out for it, if this is intended and perceived as you say, Katie is in a great position. I don't think there is a connection between Walter and Katie at all. What I do find interesting in this is that you are trying to lay that connection.

Relax, we have more than enough time to reach a conviction. I just don't want to reach a conviction early and have the day ended like that, like yesterday. More talk is a good thing. For the town. Also some people may not have their lunches send in and that kind of stuff.

I deleted half the Pm because I was first only going to respond to that part, but I saw the middle part had interesting stuff in it as well, sorry if it looks strange, Tammy.

And it's not a PM, just a message, rather.

[Tamamono]

Vote: Walter (Waterbrick Down)

Vote Mike (Bob)

Vote: Katie (Psykater)

Vote: Daisy (Scumba)

Vote: Walter (Waterbrick Down)

Vote: Walter (Waterbrick Down)

Vote: Walter (Waterbrick Down).

Vote: Jimmy (JimButcher)

Vote: Walter (Waterbrick Down)

Vote: Walter (WBD)

Vote: Walter (Waterbrick Down).

Votes for Walter: 7

Votes for Other: 4

We have 22 people left, so we need at least 12 votes for a conviction. Luckily, it isn't as bad as I had thought, but it could still be a problem. Everyone, if you support Walter's lynch but feel like voting someone else, please check who has voted so far and vote Walter if a conviction has not yet been reached against him. We can not afford to split the vote when there's confirmed scum.

[Hinckley]

Someone's coming in to me in private forcing me to write a play. Apologies to Fred and Shadell who hate these:

The Mysterious Case of the Great Gonzo

Scene 1

Gonzo the Great: You slipped up! You're usually more careful. You said "The killer has her own brain!" You know more about the killer than you're letting on! I'm surprised you would let that slip through.

Oscar the non-Grouch: And if I do? I don't need to let you know anything. Are you officially prying? You want the identity of the killer? Why?

Gonzo the Great: Oh, golly gee, no. I don't want to know the identity of the killer. I just want to know who to trust. Eventually, it would be beneficial to know her identity...

(Oscar lights the cannon that Gonzo has been sitting in and blasts Gonzo into the haybales)

Gonzo the Great: Wahzeeeeeee!

My question, which I haven't received an answer to yet is "Why do you need to know if I know who the killer is or not in order to trust me?"

We have 22 people left, so we need at least 12 votes for a conviction. Luckily, it isn't as bad as I had thought, but it could still be a problem. Everyone, if you support Walter's lynch but feel like voting someone else, please check who has voted so far and vote Walter if a conviction has not yet been reached against him. We can not afford to split the vote when there's confirmed scum.

Tammy, calm down. We have plenty of time. I think the people voting for others are giving us all a chance to continue the day for discovery. If we all vote for Walter (his disappearance and lack of defense are increasingly damning) the day will be over giving fewer people the opportunity to use their lunch and giving us all less time to find clues to other people's affiliation.

[Tamamono]

How can it not be used to handicap a team of villains, rather than the good guys? Again, MY personal experience says more scum than town, that may not be an actual representation of how things are, but there you go.

These situations are an informed minority against an uninformed majority, but an uniformed majority can become a very informed majority very quickly, so there are usually town handicaps such as Jailkeepers and Millers around (let's just hope there isn't a Miller this situation ). I've found that handicapping the town usually does more for balance than handicapping the scum.

I don't think so, to me it sounds like she's just being too careful, as a scum would be in this situation. What would happen if Walter is found innocent tomorrow? The first thing that happens is her accusers and blind followers of the lynch are going to be called out for it, if this is intended and perceived as you say, Katie is in a great position. I don't think there is a connection between Walter and Katie at all. What I do find interesting in this is that you are trying to lay that connection.

If Walter flips town, then whoever the protector protected will be looked at with more trust, and the jailkeeper possibly with a bit of suspicion. I don't see why Katie would be wary of lynching town if she was scum. If a conviction is reached on Walter and he flips town, there's only a 1/12 (or likely more) that she'll be called out for voting him, but that chance increases if she votes him today after defending him for the bad flipflop. Get what I'm saying?

Relax, we have more than enough time to reach a conviction. I just don't want to reach a conviction early and have the day ended like that, like yesterday. More talk is a good thing. For the town. Also some people may not have their lunches send in and that kind of stuff.

I'm not trying to rush things, just trying to make sure town stays on-track with this lynch instead of squandering their votes needlessly on other suspects. I fully support the idea of keeping the Day open to continue talking, etc. (and for people to get their lunches in too, that's a big one), I just want to make sure nearly confirmed scum dies today.

[Shadows]

Apologies to Fred and Shadell who hate these:

It's true, but that's because they tend to be confusing (and whenever I'm in one, we're both megablocking town and it all goes to hell. ). This one seems a lot better than usual and actually centers around what sounds like an interesting conversation that I hope we can hear a response to. I see no reason for anyone to need to know who the killer is, and even if you told them, it wouldn't prove anything, so why bother asking? That's pretty damn scummy looking.

I can't believe I have to thank you for presenting a potentially useful play for once. Don't go crazy with it, ok?

[Hinckley]

I can't believe I have to thank you for presenting a potentially useful play for once. Don't go crazy with it, ok?

You're so scaring me in this dream of Matilda's.

[Cecilie]

I agree about keeping the day open as long as possible, so we can have as much time as possible to figure things out. The way things are looking now though, my vote will go to Walter. Even if he was jailkeeped and not blocked, he has still been acting suspicious both yesterday and today, and is not providing much to help change that. Walter, on the off chance you're town, at least tell us if you have/had a useful lunch, and maybe give it to someone who appears trustworthy if you still have it?

[Hinckley]

This is easy to figure out who has what, if we do it like this, if on the following list something is NOT correct, I'm missing some info we already know, please say so:

Choose Steak:

Carl > Steal? Unknown status

Cece > Steal from Penny Choose two, Meat first?

Penny > Stolen by Cece

Patty > Steal? Unknown status

Jane > Steal? Unknown status

Jimmy> Steal? Unknown status

Shadell>Steal? Unknown status

Matilda> Steal? Unknown status

Choose Cake:

Trisha > clue, given to Oscar

Mike> Clue, given to Oscar

Fred> Clue Used on Daisy > Found glasses without glass

Amy> Clue Used on Daisy > Found same as above

Sara> Clue? Unknown status

Zara> DEATH, as far we know not given on

Ginny>Clue? Unknown status

Tammy>Clue? Unknown status

Wild Dragon> Clue? unknown status

Choose Apple:

Daisy > One shot weak watch, used.

Danny the Horse > Unknown action. not steal or clue?

Oscar > Unknown action. not steal or clue? no lunch.

Billie > unknown action, not steal or clue.?

Heather > Unknown action, not steal or clue?

Walter > Unknown action, not steal or clue?

Dave> Said Apple first, not steal or clue?

If it helps us anyhow I'd like to state as well "I am alligned with the town". This is truly a better statement to clarify by a lie detector.

But please help me. Why do we think that we have a lie detector after all? This whole "I have an eatable item that makes other people say the truth" seems to be BS after all. So why do we still go with this theory? And what do we have until now for these lunches? Fred claims he has a "lunch" which seems to be a roleclaim. And Daisy as well?! Has someone else already claimed having such a thing? And the hedgehog claims he doesn't have any lunch? Or did I get this wrong? Anything else?

I just want to understand if this lunch thing is anything that will help us, or if this is just a minor issue. Or if it is a hoax like the lie detector after all.

What exactly makes everyone think that Fred is not scum? My first theory does not make so much sense anymore to me. But I still have a weird feeling with Fred. The reason for this is that he was so eager for Trisha claiming this cookie-thing, then eager to make a "helpful" list which is not helpful at all without any lie detector, then eager to stop this cookie-thing on his own, then eager to make Trisha looking foolish, but himself not voting for her. This is ... weird. Not enough to draw my vote upon him yet, but to draw my attention. Noted. Or ping. Or something like that.

So Katie does claim to not have a lunch, as Daisy pointed out. I don't see Katie in the list of players and what they chose though. I didn't have a lunch either, but my role PM mentions why I don't have it. Why don't you have yours, Katey?

Katie chose steak.

The Scum should've been able to compare that they had lunches and prepared for this. Maybe the Scum doesn't get lunch. That would make it easy to tell who was Scum on Day One. Anyone surprised by the lunch concept would be a good candidate for scrutiny.

I'll start as I fall in that category. When Daisy first mentioned lunch to me in private I didn't respond. It was at the same time the barn burned down and I helped put it back together, so I forgot about it. I was distracted by other things as the conversation went to lunch in thread. Eventually I returned to my role PM and found the mention of lunch. I was told I forgot mine and why. I concentrated more on the result of forgetting my lunch and discarded the rest of the info until I looked back. Absent-minded, I know, but not unlike Fred not realizing his lunch had a name. I was immersed in vomit-inducing cookie experiment nonsense and re-building the barn (Hedgehogs are notorious for being good carpenters). Actually, it was the site crash and putting the post back together. Fence posts.

Point is, if everyone has lunch, I would imagine Katey would know not to claim to not know about lunch on the first day unless she's Scum and thinks the thief Action was given to her because she's Scum...

[Scubacarrot]

I don't know why Katie was not on the list I made.

[Darkdragon]

Vote Count

Walter (Waterbrick Down) - 6 votes (CallMePie, Shadows, Piratedave84, def, Darth Potato, Bob)

Jimmy (JimButcher) - 1 vote (Hinckley)

Mike (Bob) - 1 vote (fhomess)

Katie (Psykater) - 1 vote (Scubacarrot)

Oscar (Hinckley) - 2 votes (penalty, penalty)

With 22 players remaining, a majority of 12 is required for a conviction.

There are up to 34 hours left in the day.

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[Piratedave84]

I'm Gonzo in Oscar's play; I have no need/use to know who the killer is; Frankly at this point I don't care!

I said it to him twice that I could not give a shit more about the killer; my message was intended for someone I trust to say "hey, you may have slipped up by stating that the killer was a she" I then proceeded to call him out on it and insinuate that he may know more.

This blowing out of proportion makes me think he in fact knows more than he has let anyone know! But heh! What do I know; I noticed a detail in a post, I MUST be scum!

On another note; I was once told by a mentor/teacher in one of these "games of life" that you MUST always verify a claim especially if possible scum so it baffles me that more experienced persons are reluctant to vote for Walter and test the claim; quite frankly I don't get it!

[Tamamono]

Why wasn't my vote counted?

[Hinckley]

I then proceeded to call him out on it and insinuate that he may know more.

But what if I do know more? What then?

This blowing out of proportion makes me think he in fact knows more than he has let anyone know! But heh! What do I know; I noticed a detail in a post, I MUST be scum!

I do know more than I've let anyone know. And?...

On another note; I was once told by a mentor/teacher in one of these "games of life" that you MUST always verify a claim especially if possible scum so it baffles me that more experienced persons are reluctant to vote for Walter and test the claim; quite frankly I don't get it!

We've told you we're not reluctant to vote for him. We just don't want the day to end prematurely. If we lynch him, the day ends and we can't catch you people in your their lies or coordinate lunch eatings.

[Piratedave84]

Here is what I said in paraphrase-ish mose since I can't quote my PM:

I said it made me believe that Oscar knew that the Vig or SK was a female character. I then asked if i was reading too much into it or if it was a genuine error. I concluded by saying it was suprising to me that he would let that slip.