Hinckley Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 In your scenario, you know as well as I do that you wouldn't let yourself die the next day, you'd find some way to get out of it, maybe give up one of your conversions without telling them what you're doing first. How would I have control over that? The Town would lynch me.
Scubacarrot Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Unvote: Katie (Psykater) Vote: Shadell (Shadows) Katie is a likely scum in my book. Shadows is either a crazy person or a blatant liar. That probably is third party or something. What he is not, is a town bulletproof cult hunter/investigator that can't be blocked. Unvote: Katie (Psykater) Vote: Shadell (Shadows) Just so you know. There is this complete and utter stupid dumb person that has a one shot Governor action. Which let's you stop lynches. He is threatening to use it. Screw you, person I meant. Seriously.
Shadows Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Consider this: Shadell is the Godfather. He can't be blocked or killed. That's the Scum balance. Whatever he actually is doing, he ran into Beeker along the way. Beeker and Bunsen get rolled in and they investigate Matilda, because she showed up targeting Bunsen. What else would Shadell do at that point? Try to defend another Scum? No, he'd have to meatshield Matilda. To metagame: why does he deny he does this when he just did it to Amy in Matilda's dream called The Forest II. Remember that dream? You were a dog. You're absolutely crazy, you're coming unhinged right in front of us. You're contradicting your own beliefs to suit the moment (you don't believe in the cult then oh my god, he'll convert me, then kill me, then oh, right, I can't be killed, it just goes on and on) and forgetting the things we do have for facts. For example: Beeker is the one who saw Matilda and brought it up as odd. Why would I then repeat that to someone who claimed investigator unless I wanted them legitimately investigated? Why would I then tell you the result so you could tell the day killer their next target? Wouldn't scum just kill the investigator? You offered to have the day killer take care of Matilda and even said that if they didn't do what you said, you'd just turn them over to the town. That's scummy behaviour right there, but let's move on anyway. As for the forest of shitty hosting, you and Amy and everyone else knows that the team decided to let her die on the last day because it should have guaranteed a win. It had nothing to do with saving me and then we all discovered that the shitty host had created an unwinnable condiition and ducked us with it. Remember that nightmare? We all do, maybe you forgot it. To be blunt, for someone who could create such a broken and overpowered role with no means of balancing it has no room to doubt a cult. So, if Matilda got involved in the mix when Shadell was targeting Beeker, then Shadell would have to meatshield her. So, it's not a calculated risk or a ridiculous gambit, it's covering up what he couldn't defend without giving himself away. It's a forced meatshield to save the Godfather and the crazy Cult story to scare everyone into believing it. Except I'm the one that asked for her to be investigated at all. I could have simply told the hider that it probably meant nothing and you know what, I bet she would have believed me. Instead, I did the town thing and tried to check it out. Shocking! Why else would Shadell not have outed Matilda in the morning himself? He tells me he was distracted by the lunch conversation. For the same reason the investigator didn't, just announcing something like that tends to get you attacked and frequently killed. I had hoped to reveal it in the guise of a lunch action, but yet, the lunch conversation threw that plan out the window and led to all of this. And why else would he really be looking for the day killer? How is the day killer his biggest concern when it's supposed to be the Cult Leader? Wow, are you actually standing in the stables beating on the horses you may have personally had killed? That's just in poor taste. Enough. Vote: Shadell (Shadows) I don't buy her story. I bet you don't. You stopped buying it the moment it gave a reasonable way to test it and you. Could you be more obvious? How would I have control over that? The Town would lynch me. I should write this as a play, but honestly, that's so last year. Instead, I'll just write your exact defense for tomorrow. "Wah wah, oh my god, I'm so sad, I was wrong, we've probably done a bad thing, all of us, you know, cause it wasn't my idea, it was everyone, it's always everyone when it goes wrong. No! Wait! It's his fault! If he hadn't told us that crazy story, even though it did turn out to be true, we never would have killed him. We. Oh my god, someone save us from the cult!" Feel free to paraphrase that when you use it, and sadly, it would probably work.
Hinckley Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Don't call the Governor dumb. He's doing what he thinks is right. Here's my plea to the Governor: If the Town decides to lynch Shadell, which they haven't even started to do yet, and she comes up Town in the morning, then we know the Cult is real. At that point, you'll know I'm Cult Leader. Lynch me at that point. I'll gladly volunteer for the lynch and spend my last 72 hours trying to help the Town. If the Town decides to lynch Shadows and you govern it, we're right back where we started. We'll know nothing. I won't be dead because I'm not a cult member, I can guarantee you that. And Shadell will have more confusing things to say about why I didn't die. Let the Town get their answers if they want them. We'll only progress if we get the answers we need. We only have two votes at this point, so it's probably too early to discuss, but don't fall for Shadell's lies just because you are friends and she's charismatic. That's how sociopaths ruin people's lives. They wouldn't be able to if they didn't have the skills to get an in with you. You're absolutely crazy, you're coming unhinged right in front of us. You're contradicting your own beliefs to suit the moment (you don't believe in the cult then oh my god, he'll convert me, then kill me, then oh, right, I can't be killed, it just goes on and on) and ...ould probably work. Then just vote for me. Or would my dead Town corpse ruin your plans to confuse everyone? Come on Shadell, vote for me. What are you afraid of? Bok bok bok bok bok ba-kok!! Hedgehogs are notoriously childish at times. That reminds me. Time to feed the chickens.
Scubacarrot Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Don't call the Governor dumb. He's doing what he thinks is right. Here's my plea to the Governor: If the Town decides to lynch Shadell, which they haven't even started to do yet, and she comes up Town in the morning, then we know the Cult is real. At that point, you'll know I'm Cult Leader. Lynch me at that point. I'll gladly volunteer for the lynch and spend my last 72 hours trying to help the Town. If the Town decides to lynch Shadows and you govern it, we're right back where we started. We'll know nothing. I won't be dead because I'm not a cult member, I can guarantee you that. And Shadell will have more confusing things to say about why I didn't die. Let the Town get their answers if they want them. We'll only progress if we get the answers we need. We only have two votes at this point, so it's probably too early to discuss, but don't fall for Shadell's lies just because you are friends and she's charismatic. That's how sociopaths ruin people's lives. They wouldn't be able to if they didn't have the skills to get an in with you. I say what I feel is right. If the Governor really uses his action on Shadell, he is dumb as megabluck. Here's the facts. Shadows claim Bulletproof Unblockable Cult Hunter/Investigator. a.k.a. Buchi. Buchi is convinced Oscar is his target. Oscar is convinced Buchi is lying. Scenario 1: We lynch Buchi. Buchi flips town. We know he is telling the truth and we have to look for a cult, Oscar is our lynch tomorrow. Every Cult member suicides. No harm done except we haven't been looking for scum. Scenario 2: We lynch Buchi, Buchi flips anything other than town. We made the right decision, we can be proud of ourselves. Scenario 3: We lynch Oscar, Oscar flips town. Buchi will say something like this: "Oh snap, sorry guys, I was sooo sure he was the one, can I keep looking?" We would not let him, Buchi would be lynched then. We'd have lost our town coordinator who knows pretty much everyone's actions. Scenario 4: We lynch Oscar, Oscar flips anything other than town. 4A: Oscar flips cult or something, Buchi was right, we are the most OP town ever, everything is cool, 4B Oscar is scum, I am confused. Scenario 5: We lynch anyone other than Oscar or Buchi. That may or may not be flipping town or scum. Buchi would have the chance to use his action on Oscar, although I think I'd know what he'd claim the answer is. Scenario 6, a.k.a. " 'ello, Gov'nor!": Dumb person uses his action, we are not closer to anything. megabluck off. Scenario 2 is best and most likely. Prove me wrong.
Shadows Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Then just vote for me. Or would my dead Town corpse ruin your plans to confuse everyone? Come on Shadell, vote for me. What are you afraid of? Bok bok bok bok bok ba-kok!! Hedgehogs are notoriously childish at times. That reminds me. Time to feed the chickens. Sorry, I can't be a hypocrite, I'll leave that to you. I honestly think you might be your typical jesus mode misguided self. I also think you might be the cult leader or godfather. For all I know, you could be the very vig you've put so much faith in. I have a tool to eliminate one of those possibilities and made a suggestion that would eliminate the other. Literally, we could completely clear you in one night and then you'd be able to be the center of attention you need so badly. The more you don't want to eliminate the possibility that you're scum or cult, the worse you look, but you're stubborn and as you said, childish, and would happily do this just for spite, so no, I'm not going to place a vote I don't feel more strongly about. I'm also not going to do your fake "kill him and then I'll let you kill me tomorrow if I was wrong", if plays are last year, that particularly lame move is years and years old. I should know, I started it in my first game when I was a total noob. It worked, too. Sad to see it still being used, but hey, it means you're learning something, and that's always good. I still propose investigating you and having the hider hide behind you. That would prove you aren't the cult leader or scum and end this whole thing right there. If you used one of your investigators or any of the other townies who you are in contact with, you could clear me as well. That would help the town. That's what I want to happen because that's what we're supposed to be doing here. You want me dead to prove I'm lying, except it won't and in the process, the town loses something important. I don't want to risk that because of the possibility that you could be important. What more is there to say? If a legitimate vote comes up, I'll be more than happy to consider it. Rant on.
Hinckley Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Sorry, I can't be a hypocrite, I'll leave that to you. I honestly think you might be your typical jesus mode misguided self. So your case against me, which you won't vote for, is that I'm wrong about the meatshield because you believe I hosted The Forest II poorly and my Town behavior reminds you of my behavior in Matilda's dream called "Bloodbrick". So, you're so desperate all you have is metagaming. Daisy, don't forget the other odd option: Matilda turns up Town in the morning. Wouldn't that be a shit factory?
Piratedave84 Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Right now I most want to lynch Dave for his constant overreactions and his admittance of writing up his post in a word processor. Not a town move at all. But since there seems to be a lot of controversy over votes and unvotes, I think I'll save my vote until I'm sure of who I'm voting for. Who said word processor? I said and meant "other window" as in other firefox window, using the actual reply function of the forum. I am overreacting? I thought I was not, maybe I am in your eyes; i feel that i should defend myself when grilled, a normal reaction in my opinion! He's claimed Cult-Hunter, right? If he's actually the Cult Leader, then isn't there an actual Cult-Hunter of some kind looking for him? If he's this public and he's lying about being the Cult-Hunter, doesn't that mean he'll be dealt with tonight anyways by his nemesis, probably tonight? The way I understand this is that the hunter would turn up as town if killed; so this means that the person may be dead already. Maybe Shadell got to her before us and therefore has free reign ...
Scubacarrot Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Daisy, don't forget the other odd option: Matilda turns up Town in the morning. Wouldn't that be a shit factory? Well, that would give the day killer a chance to be an actual scum killer that's been trying to get in the trust circle (Yes we have that, it's awesome, suck it). Matilda was your suspicion for a long time, that could in theory be played up, also I don't think so. Am I right? And she was actually killed after the result of a day investigator who we first got to know through Buchi here. Yes, I'd say that qualifies as a shit factory. You pronounce Buchi like you'd do Bushy by the way. I'm pretty sure it's french.
Hinckley Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 If a legitimate vote comes up, I'll be more than happy to consider it. Rant on. Oh ,oops. Sorry. I only read the first paragraph. As much as you like to attack me as a person and turn the game into something personal, this isn't about ego. I enjoy the puzzle and investigating and trying to piece it all together. I like to do it. You can call that an ego need to be the center of attention if you want and continuously attack who I am and take the game too seriously, that's your choice. All of that aside, I think I'm cleared enough. I don't think you'll turn up as Town because of your behavior before this last post. I don't think you're telling the truth. Don't you think a Cult-Hunter who was insisting that finding the day killer was the most important thing for us to do seems at least a bit suspicious? I'm sorry, but I don't think all of your answers are satisfactory. Anything I've found, I can pass to Rowlf, if I get lynched. We won't have lost anything. As a matter of fact, if the Town loses both of us, they may actually be in a better position, because they won't have to keep wondering about us and if we've been converted, etc. If the Scum or Cult (if there even is one) can convert, then people will wonder about me for the rest of the game anyway. I can pass my information on and the Town can be rid of a likely conversion target. I stand by what I've said (and have been consistent with despite Shadell calling it unhinged). Shadell is either Scum pulling and elaborate ruse or the Cult Leader herself. My money is on the former. If Shadell is telling the truth, lynch me. Gladly as this would be the craziest Matilda dream ever if it's true and I'd rather not try to find a Scum team and a Cult. I'd rather have my sanity.
Scubacarrot Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Just so you know who was under scrutiny before we got this bullcrap? Katie was.
Shadows Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 So your case against me, which you won't vote for, is that I'm wrong about the meatshield because you believe I hosted The Forest II poorly and my Town behavior reminds you of my behavior in Matilda's dream called "Bloodbrick". So, you're so desperate all you have is metagaming. You're using a non-meatshield that you know for a fact wasn't one because you sat and watched us plan what we were doing. You can only bring the whole thing up at all because of your obsession with writeboards and a desire to see and control everything you can, which is, admittedly, part of your "towniest of town" personas. You normal town behaviour reminds me of every town game you play, it's far from just Bloodbrick, that was only the game where you earned the name Jesus after the scum used you to learn everything about the town and then threw you away and won. You didn't take the tag until later after doing it again. You've never stopped, it comes up in every game. Hell, in Asylum II, you actually tried to fake it to convince the town you were with them. You failed at that, too, and died on day 3, thankfully leaving us to finish the job you nearly ruined. Daisy, don't forget the other odd option: Matilda turns up Town in the morning. Wouldn't that be a shit factory? Then you lynch the investigator who confirmed the results to you directly and score either a cultist or scum. Would that really be a shit factory to you?
Scubacarrot Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 All of them suck. I challenge anyone with a killing action. I mean you, Jack. to go and kill those three. F em. Seriously. I am done. Then you lynch the investigator who confirmed the results to you directly and score either a cultist or scum. Would that really be a shit factory to you? In before Day Framer.
TheBoyWonder Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Sorry for not posting, been busy. Daisy, being rude really don't help, it's not a good mentality for a townie. I don't think a cult exists, it just seems OP, and very strange we've only heard about it now. I'm going to think about this a bit more, because its just too confusing.
Scubacarrot Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Your mentality is much more helpful. Thank you for that truly enlightened insight. No.
fhomess Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 I have a serious problem with two bulletproof vests belonging to townies. It seems to me that would be impossible. Shadell's role claim is, quite honestly, a bit ridiculous. If Shadell flips town, I will personally lead the crusade against Oscar for the very reason I stated in the first sentence. Vote: Shadel (Shadows) I'd also like to throw out the possibility that the hider isn't town, or isn't really a hider at all. For what reason do we trust this person?
Scubacarrot Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Make sure you spelled your vote right, you would not want it not counted, would you?
fhomess Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Thank you. Julia does seem rather anal-retentive, no? Vote: Shadell (Shadows)
CMP Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Well, Shadell seems convinced Oscar isn't townie, and Oscar's convinced Shadell isn't townie. I'm far more inclined Shadell isn't, so.... Vote: Shadell (Shadows)
badboytje88 Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 I too shall vote: Shadell (Shadows) I am more inclined to believe Oscar over Shadell. So we'll see how this ends up.
Bob Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 If, after he uses his action on you, and you're still around, we can investigate him or you. I honestly doubt Cult members show up as Town and I think this is all very foolish, but I also do not want to be wrong about something this dangerous. I play things safe and listen to logic, and right now, logic is screaming in my ear that he's not the Cult-Leader and that you're Town. I will not take part in any Lynch of Shadell today, and I'll do anything I can to stop it. This is silly. From your actions, you're either overly paranoid, or the Cult Leader, and rightfully paranoid. I personally, think it's the former. Check out the statement that I bolded. I'm not sure if anyone noticed this yet, but this is extremely suspicious to me. I don't know if this is blind loyalty or what, but the fact that someone has put so much faith into the towniness of someone else is truly baffling to me. Am I overthinking this? What do other people think of this?
Piratedave84 Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Check out the statement that I bolded. I'm not sure if anyone noticed this yet, but this is extremely suspicious to me. I don't know if this is blind loyalty or what, but the fact that someone has put so much faith into the towniness of someone else is truly baffling to me. Am I overthinking this? What do other people think of this? Given the circumstances, taking an unconditional stand for someone is very odd. Most of us tend to agree with one party over another but what has been said leads me to beilieve that most individuals are actually reluctant to take side and will just vote agains the person they "believe the less".
Piratedave84 Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 I don't wnat to take away from the Shadell/Cult-leader/Psych craziness and I think we should proceed with a lynch of Shadell BUUUUUUUUT I have another element to bring forward. I used my lunch on Oscar last night and saw that someone else had targetted him, for the time being we shall call this person "Yoda" (because we loooove code names ) I turns out that Yoda was out and about targetting Oscar, I asked Yoda in private why he had targetted Oscar and it was quite a while before I got an answer (most likely seeking advice from his scum buddies); the answer was, at the time, satisfactory. Then I found out that Yoda had in fact been in communication with Matilda, only Matilda since this ordeal began, and when asked about it, no answer was provided. We know we had a scum result on Matilda from an investigation, based on this I can only assume that Yoda targetted Oscar for assassination. Since these events, we have found out that Oscar was in fact bulletproof and so this to me explains the lack of kill last night. Yoda, do you care to explain why you: 1) Targetted Oscar? (you told me in private, so if you got nothing to hide, say it here) 2) Failed to explain to both myself and another person why you were in contact with Matilda, only scummy Matilda. Your play!
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