Heartlake Heartbreak - Day Three: Don't Ask Me Why

[Dragonator]

Well that's certainly some interesting developments. With the day killer lurking around I certainly have no reason to doubt the possibility of a day investigator, or other day actions for that matter. As for the cult hunting, that certainly brings up some worrying questions, particularly whether or not it is even true. Do we know yet why the cult hunter got a town result on the day investigator when he is just looking for a cult leader? This cult hunter role seems particularly powerful for a simple psychiatrist role.

This Janice lady seems pretty scummy to my eye, a lot in this big mess of a story is not adding up for her.

I'll have more to say once I've eaten my lunch. Not the one I packed, these apples I mean. Damn confusing lunches!

[Cecilie]

Scooter: Yes, and I found a Scum along the way through a series of unfortunate events. I investigated the first person in a strange place and they told me they were a hider. They hid behind someone and so I contacted that person who turned out to be a day investigator, which is fortunate because the hider had seen Janice while hiding behind the investigator. So I had the day investigator investigate Janice and she is Scum. I would've told people today, but it was really busy.

I don't believe there's a Cult. There's just too much if there's a cult. Maybe Scooter is just a regular psychiatrist looking for the SK. But this statement above here, I want to dissect that, because I'm having a hard time making sense of it:

- Scooter investigates someone night 1, and this person claims to be a hider when Scooter contacts him/her on day 2.

- This hider hid behind someone night 1, and this person claims to be a day investigator when Scooter contacts him/her on day 2.

- The hider saw Janice while hiding behind the investigator (huh what? How does this work?)

- The day investigator investigates Janice on day 2, and gets the result of Scum.

- Scooter fails to mention that Janice has been found scum until today.

Am I getting this right?

I don't get the part about the hider seeing Janice though. Seing Janice do what? And why would the hider see Janice? I thought a hider only got a result saying if they were successfully hiding or not (unsuccessful for a hider would mean death, if I remember that role correctly. They die if hiding behind scum).

I also don't understand why Scooter wouldn't bring the information about Janice forward sooner, if this has any inkling of truth to it.

[Hinckley]

I don't believe there's a Cult. There's just too much if there's a cult. Maybe Scooter is just a regular psychiatrist looking for the SK. But this statement above here, I want to dissect that, because I'm having a hard time making sense of it:

- Scooter investigates someone night 1, and this person claims to be a hider when Scooter contacts him/her on day 2.

- This hider hid behind someone night 1, and this person claims to be a day investigator when Scooter contacts him/her on day 2.

- The hider saw Janice while hiding behind the investigator (huh what? How does this work?)

- The day investigator investigates Janice on day 2, and gets the result of Scum.

- Scooter fails to mention that Janice has been found scum until today.

Am I getting this right?

Yes.

I know the hider seeing Janice is odd, but I have other Night Action results of people seeing things their role would not normally see. See my other post about that.

To clear up confusion as some people think there's too much "rambling" going on and other don't like the plays.

Summary

Remaining questions Scooter has evaded:

1. How did he get a "Town" result if he is just searching for cult members?

2. Why didn't Scooter or the day investigator out Janice? (Scooter claims he was about to but got distracted with other conversations this morning)

3. Who else has the day investigator investigated?

Claimed roles:

1. Fozzie Bear - a Jack-of-All-Trades that is apparently Town-aligned. He can block, protect, investigate, kill and flavor cop, plus one more crazy one I won't mention just yet. Fozzie is the one that Daisy saw targeting me on Night One. Fozzie claims to have investigated me and got the result of Town.

2. Rowlf - Jailkeeper. Apparently he can protect someone throughout the day, yet the block only lasts for the night. If he targets an unblockable player, they are still protected.

3. Scooter - claims Cult Leader Hunter, can't be killed, blocked, jailed, hidden from. If he finds the cult leader all the other cult members commit suicide.

4. Scooter's hider - Get killed if he hides behind a Scummo. Apparently investigated by Scooter on Night One.

5. Scooter's Day Investigator - this is apparently who the hider targeted on Night One.

6. Janice - was investigated by Scooter's day investigator and seen by the hider, not quite sure why. She has claimed Town Watcher.

7. Day Vig - claimed to me today.

8. Someone who targeted me last night as seen by a watcher (lunch). Not sure what they were doing yet.

[TheBoyWonder]

I really find it hard to believe there is a cult, so I find 3 (scooter) hard to believe.

However, I do think Fozzie Bear and Rowlf are town, Fozzie Bear is a gut feelingz, and Rowlf helped us Lynch a Scummo.

[JimBee]

Alright, so the way I see it, we still lynch Scooter today. His claim is ridiculous (although thank you for clearing it up, Oscar and Cece), and I don't see the other person that is supposedly up for lynch. Well, Janice, but if Scooter is lying to begin with then he's lying about Janice... I guess I'll throw my hat in with the crowd that says to kill Janice and lynch Scooter. If there is a cult... well, I guess we'll find out.

Occam's razor, I really don't see any other way to deal with this, at least not indirectly through Oscar.

Er, also, what is the jailkeeper's role in all of this, if any? The protection half worked last night on Scooter, but not the block half?

[Scubacarrot]

Er, also, what is the jailkeeper's role in all of this, if any? The protection half worked last night on Scooter, but not the block half?

Apparantly. Which is really odd. The Jailkeeper you'd think was cleared right, I can't see a plausible way how he or she's not, but that part just is soooo odd. A jailkeep is not: A protection AND a block, it's both. I'd assume if one would for some reason not work, the other wouldn't too, right?

[JimBee]

Apparantly. Which is really odd. The Jailkeeper you'd think was cleared right, I can't see a plausible way how he or she's not, but that part just is soooo odd. A jailkeep is not: A protection AND a block, it's both. I'd assume if one would for some reason not work, the other wouldn't too, right?

Well, maybe the way god interprets that is one in the same. If this Scooter is block immune, then one way to solve a jailkeeper targeting him would be to just have the protection work. Although I do agree with your logic.

[Scubacarrot]

Well, maybe the way god interprets that is one in the same. If this Scooter is block immune, then one way to solve a jailkeeper targeting him would be to just have the protection work. Although I do agree with your logic.

For the record. That would the faulty way to deal with things.

[def]

This is a little too much to take in while I'm just back from my nap. At least we have some solid lynch/vig targets. When the voting starts, should we agree to post-pone things a little bit in order to keep the conversation flowing?

[Hinckley]

I've heard from the day investigator who corroborates the investigations. Janice was found to be Scum yesterday and he/she used it on me today and came up with Town. Day One was another Town target, conveniently the hider.

[JimBee]

For the record. That would the faulty way to deal with things.

I agree, but you can't argue with god.

[Hinckley]

The day investigator is having trouble believing Scooter too...

[PsyKater]

Thank you Oscar, your summaries really helped to understand most of the things that are happening here

I claimed that I had a thief lunch, it was called a slice of pizza. I could use it to steal somebody's else lunch. I used it on Shadell on Night One, but did not find any lunch. This is the truth. It's still odd that Shadell did not answer our concerns about this.

But here are more important things raised. I have yet to read something about the cult. To me the claims of the Fozzie Bear and the jailkeeper make more sense than Scooter's claims. If I understand it right they could be made up easily.

[Hinckley]

Dr. Bunsen Honeydew, the day investigator, confirms that Beeker, the hider, is real and was investigated as Town.

If you think about it, having access to a day investigator is kind of kick-megablocks!

[Dannylonglegs]

Alright, well I've thought the situation over, and I've got some questions, but I think I've drawn some conclusions as well.

So, my question is, why are you just finding out about the day-investigator now, Oscar, if he investigated you last night. If I were in that situation, you'd be the first person that I'd contact. Why has it taken all this time for the connection to be made. That I find suspicious.

Suspicions in that regard aside, Everything but my gut points to the day-investigator being at-least somewhat in the level. After thinking it through, I agree. This Cult-Leader-Hunter claim is rather odd, and probably scummy. If we Lynch him, and he turns up Town, we're in big trouble. Big. Trouble. If that's the case, Oscar may already be in the cult. That would really suck, and explain A. Why he wants him dead, and B. what that unknown individual was doing to Oscar the previous night, and that Oscar came out with it to counter suspicion. This however is highly unlikely. I am pretty convinced now that Scooter is lying, and so is Janice. I am somewhat honoured that Janice considers me a helpful Townie, however, This would be an easy way to test the Day-investigator's reliability.

So, I agree with the proposal; Kill Janice, Lynch Scooter.

My predictions and what we can establish:

Janice: Scum--Day-Investigator: Town, Might confirm Hider as Town

Janice: Town--Day-Investigator: Scum, Hider: Scum?

Scooter: Scum--I'm super super happy, Day-Investigator might be Town, Hider, might be Town.

Scooter: Town--There's a Cult. Oscar may be part (he may not though)

Oooh, I should say:

Janice: Scum---Oscar not converted, Day investigator: For' real, Hider: Town

[Tamamono]

I'm lost. So, let me get this straight, Scooter is a cult-hunting-snake-wielding-psychologist who claims to be untouchable... Why is it that I have a hard time believing that?

And then there's also Janice, who has some sort of watching action or something who was guiltied by a day investigator who also got an innocent report on the hider? I don't get it at all.

If, by some miracle, I'm not bumbling nonsense at this point, then both of these people should be killed/lynched today.

[Hinckley]

Alright, well I've thought the situation over, and I've got some questions, but I think I've drawn some conclusions as well.

So, my question is, why are you just finding out about the day-investigator now, Oscar, if he investigated you last night. If I were in that situation, you'd be the first person that I'd contact. Why has it taken all this time for the connection to be made. That I find suspicious.

That's because you have it wrong. Dr. Bunsen Honeydew, the day investigator didn't investigate me last night. I came pounding on his door and he said "Hold it there, skippy. I'll be back." Then he went and investigated me today found me to be Town and told me everything he knew. He thought I was a total scumball before that because he wasn't reading closely and didn't see that I had a Town investigation prior to that. Either way, he trusts me now and gave me a ton of helpful info. I believe him. We need to know the affiliation of Janice to be sure.

If Janice is Scum, Scooter could still be Scum. It would be a smart gambit to use a meat shield for. Janice turns up as Scum, it makes us believe the whole Cult story and takes our suspicion off of Scooter while we race to the Scum win thinking we're fighting a Cult...

Suspicions in that regard aside, Everything but my gut points to the day-investigator being at-least somewhat in the level. After thinking it through, I agree. This Cult-Leader-Hunter claim is rather odd, and probably scummy. If we Lynch him, and he turns up Town, we're in big trouble. Big. Trouble. If that's the case, Oscar may already be in the cult. That would really suck, and explain A. Why he wants him dead, and B. what that unknown individual was doing to Oscar the previous night, and that Oscar came out with it to counter suspicion. This however is highly unlikely. I am pretty convinced now that Scooter is lying, and so is Janice. I am somewhat honoured that Janice considers me a helpful Townie, however, This would be an easy way to test the Day-investigator's reliability.

The most odd thing is that he says he got a Town result on the day investigator. Does his Action give Cult results or not? Dr Bunsen Honeydew confirms good reasoning for not coming forward yesterday with the result on Janice, but I'm still confused as to why Scooter would not bring it to us instead. He would've made a great mouthpiece for Bunsen. Janice actually says that someone targeted you, Dansmith. Do you have any recollection of being targeted?

When Beeker saw Janice targeting Bunsen, Janice claims she was stealing Bunsen's lunch. However, Bunsen still has his lunch.

So, I agree with the proposal; Kill Janice, Lynch Scooter.

We could save Janice for tomorrow. If the Scum have a day protector, they'll use it on Janice. We should pick another likely target, just in case.

My predictions and what we can establish:

Janice: Scum--Day-Investigator: Town, Might confirm Hider as Town

Bunsen and Beeker. It'd be hard to imagine they aren't Town. If Janice comes up as Town then we have three people who are clearly lying.

Janice: Town--Day-Investigator: Scum, Hider: Scum?

Unlikely for them to put "all the Scum in one basket". Although that's what Scooter would be risking if he is performing a meatshield.

Scooter: Scum--I'm super super happy, Day-Investigator might be Town, Hider, might be Town.

What's the difference between this and the first one. That's an enormous and risky meatshield. Reckless, even.

Scooter: Town--There's a Cult. Oscar may be part (he may not though)

Well, I know this one isn't true. Honestly, I doubt there's a cult, but if Scooter comes up as Town, which would mean there is, I'd be...quite honestly...shocked and annoyed. Thoroughly.

[JimBee]

I claimed that I had a thief lunch, it was called a slice of pizza. I could use it to steal somebody's else lunch. I used it on Shadell on Night One, but did not find any lunch. This is the truth. It's still odd that Shadell did not answer our concerns about this.

Strange, mine and someone else's (Penn'ys I believe) thief actions were from ham sandwiches.

[Hinckley]

If Scooter wasn't blocked and I'm having doubts Jimmy is Scum, then why was there no kill? Who was protected? Any way we can find that out?

1. A game day will last until majority vote is reached up to a maximum of 72 hours.
   

Rejoice!

Janice: Tells me she targeted Dansmith and Ginny, yet has been caught targeting Bunsen. Liar. Lynch All Liars. Or kill them somehow...

[CMP]

Strange, mine and someone else's (Penn'ys I believe) thief actions were from ham sandwiches.

Mine was from a ham sandwich as well...

[Tamamono]

If Scooter wasn't blocked and I'm having doubts Jimmy is Scum, then why was there no kill? Who was protected? Any way we can find that out?

Honestly, I think the chance of Jimmy being scum is pretty high. It's not just that he was blocked, his behavior has been incredibly jumpy lately, especially yesterday after there was no kill. My theory is that he's scum and his team's bad luck shook him up.

Rejoice!

Janice: Tells me she targeted Dansmith and Ginny, yet has been caught targeting Bunsen. Liar. Lynch All Liars. Or kill them somehow...

Well then, that makes this easier. Who's Janice, then?

[Dannylonglegs]

That's because you have it wrong. Dr. Bunsen Honeydew, the day investigator didn't investigate me last night. I came pounding on his door and he said "Hold it there, skippy. I'll be back." Then he went and investigated me today found me to be Town and told me everything he knew. He thought I was a total scumball before that because he wasn't reading closely and didn't see that I had a Town investigation prior to that. Either way, he trusts me now and gave me a ton of helpful info. I believe him. We need to know the affiliation of Janice to be sure.

Oh, yes, I do have it wrong. I believe the day investigator a bit more now.

If Janice is Scum, Scooter could still be Scum. It would be a smart gambit to use a meat shield for. Janice turns up as Scum, it makes us believe the whole Cult story and takes our suspicion off of Scooter while we race to the Scum win thinking we're fighting a Cult...

If Janice=scum: Day-Investigator=Town, Hider=Town, Scooter= Scum? If Janice=Town (unlikely, but if): Day-Investigator=Scum, Hider=?, Scooter=Scum still?

The most odd thing is that he says he got a Town result on the day investigator. Does his Action give Cult results or not? Dr Bunsen Honeydew confirms good reasoning for not coming forward yesterday with the result on Janice, but I'm still confused as to why Scooter would not bring it to us instead. He would've made a great mouthpiece for Bunsen. Janice actually says that someone targeted you, Dansmith. Do you have any recollection of being targeted?

Nope, I was not told at all that I was targeted.

When Beeker saw Janice targeting Bunsen, Janice claims she was stealing Bunsen's lunch. However, Bunsen still has his lunch.

That sounds like a total Lie. Lynch all ye Liars.

We could save Janice for tomorrow. If the Scum have a day protector, they'll use it on Janice. We should pick another likely target, just in case.

Sure? We could try today and then Lynch her tomorrow if that fails.

Bunsen and Beeker. It'd be hard to imagine they aren't Town. If Janice comes up as Town then we have three people who are clearly lying.

And if not there's only two; Her and Scooter.

Unlikely for them to put "all the Scum in one basket". Although that's what Scooter would be risking if he is performing a meatshield.

Yes, and that's what it seems like. I can't imagine this being the case though. At the very least, it implicates the Day-Investigator

What's the difference between this and the first one. That's an enormous and risky meatshield. Reckless, even.

There's not one. I'm running on the assumption that both Janice and Scooter are scum. Scooter's less likely but regardless, I can't wrap my head around the convenience of this over powered role... In addition to everything else. That said if it's not a lie, then we're in some seriously deep water.

Well, I know this one isn't true. Honestly, I doubt there's a cult, but if Scooter comes up as Town, which would mean there is, I'd be...quite honestly...shocked and annoyed. Thoroughly.

You only know the part of you not being in the cult, and if the Day investigator's on the level, which it appears is the case at this point, then the theory's bunked regardless. Still, if Scooter's Town then there's a cult and we're in hot water.

If Scooter wasn't blocked and I'm having doubts Jimmy is Scum, then why was there no kill? Who was protected? Any way we can find that out?

Rejoice!

Janice: Tells me she targeted Dansmith and Ginny, yet has been caught targeting Bunsen. Liar. Lynch All Liars. Or kill them somehow...

And, we're assuming Scooter's Scum here. Maybe there's another role that Protects? Maybe there's a killer/converter and there was a conversion, which couldn't be you if the investigator, with whom only you have spoken in public, is to be believed.

Yes kill/lynch.

[Hinckley]

Honestly, I think the chance of Jimmy being scum is pretty high. It's not just that he was blocked, his behavior has been incredibly jumpy lately, especially yesterday after there was no kill. My theory is that he's scum and his team's bad luck shook him up.

Well then, that makes this easier. Who's Janice, then?

Focusing on Janice and Scooter is the best idea for now. Jimmy has an easily verifiable claim.

Oh, yes, I do have it wrong. I believe the day...

Yes kill/lynch.

Some people complain about me rambling. Sorry, horseface. I can hardly follow all of that, but I'll give it a look in a minute. Sorry.

[Dannylonglegs]

Focusing on Janice and Scooter is the best idea for now. Jimmy has an easily verifiable claim.

Some people complain about me rambling. Sorry, horseface. I can hardly follow all of that, but I'll give it a look in a minute. Sorry.

Eh, sorry. I just replied to all your points. It's summed up as:

I think that both Janice and Scooter are scum. Let's kill Janice and Lynch Scooter.

[Captain Genaro]

Janice: Tells me she targeted Dansmith and Ginny

As far as I know, I have not been targeted by anyone.

Based off what I'm hearing, it seems like Janice has dug herself into a hole and is desperately trying to find a way out. If she really did target me, she never told me. Then she goes on to say that she stole Bunsen's lunch when someone else?

No disrespect Oscar but is there any way that we could hear some of this from another party the investigator trusts?While I would like to believe you, it does seem like a great way for the scum to cause some major confusion with the town. We could lose both Janice and Scooter and you could blame it on the investigator.

Don't get me wrong, as I already stated, I would like to believe you but an uncorroborated story of this magnitude makes me weary, especially considering that you could easily pass the buck along to the day investigator.