The Brigante Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) He's being introduced in Civil War. "He is definitively a big part of 'Civil War,'" Feige told reporters. "We will meet him for the first time in 'Civil War,' in costume." Nothing to say we won't be seeing T'challa in AoU Edited October 29, 2014 by The Brigante Quote
Aethersprite Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 "He is definitively a big part of 'Civil War,'" Feige told reporters. "We will meet him for the first time in 'Civil War,' in costume." Nothing to say we won't be seeing T'challa in AoU With Andy Serkis being rumoured to play Klaw in AoU as well, that's a possibility! Quote
just2good Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 Also, Ant-Man will be the last film of Phase 2, as announced yesterday. Interesting choice, as it was originally supposed to start Phase 3. Quote
The Legonater Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Also, Ant-Man will be the last film of Phase 2, as announced yesterday. Interesting choice, as it was originally supposed to start Phase 3. Interesting. I know a long time ago it was announced as part of Phase 2, but was moved back. I wonder if this means it'll fall up on Age of Ultron in some way. Quote
The Chosen Minifigure Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Flip! Flip! Flip! FLIP! Flip! Marvel better have an ace in terms of getting spidey in on the fun in Civil War, or else it's gonna be terrible. Aside from the facts that his unmasking and his side-swapping were the two most shocking plot developments, it's gonna be impossible to introduce him later, for one reason: WHERE WAS SPIDERMAN IN THE CIVIL WAR? Joke time! Hawkeye : "Where was Spiderman during the Superhuman Registration Act?" Iron Man: "Oh, he was owned by a seperate company to marvel, so due to the two sides being unable to negotiate, it's just convinently ignored now that he is in our universe." Hawkeye: "Oh. So Sony are huge idiots?" Iron Man: "Yep." Hulk: "Hulk smash puny business reps!" Edited October 30, 2014 by The Chosen Minifigure Quote
Venkefedo Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 You're assuming the MCU Civil War is going to greatly resemble the comic Civil War. Spider-Man isn't necessary for the movie version. Think about it, most superheroes in the MCU are already working for the government, directly or indirectly, or are at least known by the government. The premise could be very different. Age of Ultron, the movie, has nothing to do with Hank Pym or a time-traveling Wolverine & Invisible Woman, key parts of the AoU comic. Bottom line, MCU doesn't need Spidey or the rest. They've got plenty of stuff in their favor. Quote
The Legonater Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 There's also the fact that the Amazing Spider-Man movies just aren't compatible with the MCU. They deal with two completely different situations where superheroes become known. In the MCU, the battle of New York is clearly the first time this is seen, where in the ASM movie it's clearly the Lizard storming through New York. You can't have both. Quote
Faefrost Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Flip! Flip! Flip! FLIP! Flip! Marvel better have an ace in terms of getting spidey in on the fun in Civil War, or else it's gonna be terrible. Aside from the facts that his unmasking and his side-swapping were the two most shocking plot developments, it's gonna be impossible to introduce him later, for one reason: WHERE WAS SPIDERMAN IN THE CIVIL WAR? Joke time! Hawkeye : "Where was Spiderman during the Superhuman Registration Act?" Iron Man: "Oh, he was owned by a seperate company to marvel, so due to the two sides being unable to negotiate, it's just convinently ignored now that he is in our universe." Hawkeye: "Oh. So Sony are huge idiots?" Iron Man: "Yep." Hulk: "Hulk smash puny business reps!"h It's a little worse than that. Without Spider-man the conditions are not in place for there to be a Civil War. There are currently no Vigilantes in the MCU. Every character in play is in some way either a government or government sponsored actor, or a clear super villain. Spider-man is the basis for the Grayer heroes in the Marvel Comics. He is the public hero outside the law. From his example come all of the others. But in the MCU they are all Shield affiliated. At best it would be a faction war between groups of government sponsored super thugs. The pure civilian hero fighting crime has not been introduced to the MCU. Quote
Ultron Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Seeing as how Black Panther will be in Cap 3 in costume, maybe he's taking spideys spot? Quote
Venkefedo Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 There may not be a "Spidey spot". Again, the Age of Ultron comic has no real influence on the Age of Ultron movie, so the same likely holds true for Civil War. Quote
K-Nut Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 It's a little worse than that. Without Spider-man the conditions are not in place for there to be a Civil War. There are currently no Vigilantes in the MCU. Every character in play is in some way either a government or government sponsored actor, or a clear super villain. Spider-man is the basis for the Grayer heroes in the Marvel Comics. He is the public hero outside the law. From his example come all of the others. But in the MCU they are all Shield affiliated. At best it would be a faction war between groups of government sponsored super thugs. The pure civilian hero fighting crime has not been introduced to the MCU. Not entirely, but there has been some rumors about Punisher already having been in TWS, and he does play a substantial roll in the Civil War comic. He could be the Vigilante aspect in Civil War. They could also use a character from either a Netflix show (Daredevil maybe, though unlikely) or someone that they haven't used yet like Moon Knight who could fill the shoes of the Vigilante persona. Quote
Clone OPatra Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 The title really doesn't have to reflect the comics at all. The MCU has already shown that while many elements are drawn from the comics, story lines are by no means being straight adapted into film. The 'Civil War' title can be used to simply mean a bunch of Superheroes at odds with one another, and fighting. If Age of Ultron truly leaves Captain America in charge of a new Superhero team at the end as is rumored, that's enough impetus for 'Civil War' right there. Tony Stark can think differently about something, maybe like leaving shield, and there you go. It doesn't have to involve vigilantes by any means. I swear I read a quote about the 'Winter Soldier' title at one time saying simply that they thought it was a cool title, even though the comic arc has little to do with the movie. Quote
Steph 104th Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Feige said during the anouncements that it isn't directly comic related, and the lack of Spiderman would mean they would have to make great adjustments anyhow. Quote
Mr Man Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 There's also the fact that the Amazing Spider-Man movies just aren't compatible with the MCU. They deal with two completely different situations where superheroes become known. In the MCU, the battle of New York is clearly the first time this is seen, where in the ASM movie it's clearly the Lizard storming through New York. You can't have both. It's at the end of Iron Man in the MCU. As for TAS there is no specific point of wonderment or anything like it. The police, especially, seem to be taking the whole 'turning into a lizard' thing in their stride. I've watched both ASM films quite a few times over (I still feel like one of the only people who doesn't hate them though ) I can happly consider them in continuity with the MCU (unlike the X-Men / FF universe) due to there being no huge contradictions like that. Quote
The Chosen Minifigure Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Well, I sure hope they just used the title... Quote
DJ Bricks Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 The title really doesn't have to reflect the comics at all. The MCU has already shown that while many elements are drawn from the comics, story lines are by no means being straight adapted into film. The 'Civil War' title can be used to simply mean a bunch of Superheroes at odds with one another, and fighting. If Age of Ultron truly leaves Captain America in charge of a new Superhero team at the end as is rumored, that's enough impetus for 'Civil War' right there. Tony Stark can think differently about something, maybe like leaving shield, and there you go. It doesn't have to involve vigilantes by any means. I swear I read a quote about the 'Winter Soldier' title at one time saying simply that they thought it was a cool title, even though the comic arc has little to do with the movie. Exactly this how accurate were the Extremis. And Winter Soldier arcs adapted? And i read that they just adapted the premise of the comic that the super heroes are the government's playthings. Not the unmasking portion. Quote
rodiziorobs Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) I read that they just adapted the premise of the comic that the super heroes are the government's playthings. Not the unmasking portion. This article has a quote from Kevin Feige from Tuesday's Q&A where he responds to this. He seems to deliberately dodge the Spider-Man question, but that's just how Kevin Feige is. Edited October 31, 2014 by rodiziorobs Quote
Venkefedo Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 There's really nothing more to say about Spider-Man, tho... Sony has the rights, end of discussion. Civil War--and the MCU as a whole--can work just fine without Spidey in it. Quote
The Chosen Minifigure Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) 1414778023[/url]' post='2044788']There's really nothing more to say about Spider-Man, tho... Sony has the rights, end of discussion. Civil War--and the MCU as a whole--can work just fine without Spidey in it. Sorry, but I completely disagree on this. End of discussion? No. Seeing how they are supposedly currently in talks. NOT end of discussion, middle of discussion. Edited October 31, 2014 by The Chosen Minifigure Quote
rosalind14 Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 What's more disappointing than Spiderman not being in it - especially as Marvel pretty much erased that storyline - is the Fantastic Four not being in it. I thought their part in the story was possibly the highlight of that event. Quote
Venkefedo Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 Sorry, but I completely disagree on this. End of discussion? No. Seeing how they are supposedly currently in talks. NOT end of discussion, middle of discussion. "supposedly". The MCU has been doing gangbusters without Spidey's presence... there's no reason to change that. The Sony continuity--either one of them--is too much of a mess to slot into the MCU. Sony's not likely to sell the rights back entirely, which would essentially reboot Spidey into the MCU. Sony has its own plans for a larger Spideyverse, and they won't wanna share any more profits from that with Disney than they have to, and vice-versa with the MCU. It's a fanboy dream, nothing more. The FF being absent from Civil War isn't a big deal, either, because--again--it's not the same story. Same name, different story, just like AoU, just like Winter Soldier. Quote
The Chosen Minifigure Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 Yeah well, when they do get spidey, be it in 2 years or 20 years, i expect some awesome storys. And, when they do get him, they'll find a way to work the unmasking scene into another movie. As to you point about combining the 2 universes, I think it could be done. Quote
Venkefedo Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 There's no need for it, tho. And there's no need for an unmasking scene. Some fans want it done, but financially there's not much to be gained. Sony would have to split profits, Marvel would have to split profits, and one or both studios would have to pony up cash for use of the characters. Satisfying the fanboy desire for Spidey to hang out with Avengers isn't worth it for them. And if Spidey did join in, then fans would clamor for Wolverine to join in, complicating matters even further. The MCU is doing amazingly well on its own, and has plenty of fodder for years. They do not need the Spideyverse (or Mutantverse) to sell more tickets or delight audiences worldwide. Quote
Im a brickmaster. Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 I feel like an interesting story can still be achieved WITHOUT spider man and the 4, I just don't know how. It just means there going to have get really creative to fill in the gaps left by them, barring in mind Marvel still has quite a few years to pull strings. Quote
Venkefedo Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 I feel like an interesting story can still be achieved WITHOUT spider man and the 4, I just don't know how. It just means there going to have get really creative to fill in the gaps left by them, barring in mind Marvel still has quite a few years to pull strings. There are no gaps! It's a story about world governments wanting official oversight on superhero activities (what with the whole SHIELD/Hydra thing kinda ruining what existed before), and how Steve and Tony each deal with those developments, along with others (like T'Challa, and whichever other hero-types appear in the film) Quote
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