Marvel Cinematic Universe

[RaincloudDustbin]

Actually Spidey has been an Avenger in the past in in The Astonishing Spider-Man comic he is currently an Avenger.

[Masta' Blasta']

Actually Spidey has been an Avenger in the past in in The Astonishing Spider-Man comic he is currently an Avenger.

I phrased that post wrong, I intended to imply that he isn't an Avenger long-term, not that he's never one. The reason I say that is because I've seen discussion where people don't want him in the movies because he 'isn't a true Avenger.'

[Spider-Man]

I phrased that post wrong, I intended to imply that he isn't an Avenger long-term, not that he's never one. The reason I say that is because I've seen discussion where people don't want him in the movies because he 'isn't a true Avenger.'

Even in the 'Amazing' comics Spidey carries around an Avengers ID card. That means true Avenger to me! So I more than welcome seeing Spidey in the Avengers movies

[Sam892]

Even in the 'Amazing' comics Spidey carries around an Avengers ID card. That means true Avenger to me! So I more than welcome seeing Spidey in the Avengers movies

I'd rather see Spidey in a New Avengers team with Iron fist, Luke Cage and Daredevil. Just because they're more street based heroes, to me at least. Where as Cap, Iron man and the main Avengers team are more international based.

I'm hoping Captain Britain makes an appearance in the winter solider. Maybe Cap and Fury go to England at the start to try and get some evidence of the winter solider. Then just introduce him to Captain Britain, which would set up an Excalibur movie in Phase three. One can dream right?

Edited March 14, 2013 by Sam892

[Faefrost]

Even in the 'Amazing' comics Spidey carries around an Avengers ID card. That means true Avenger to me! So I more than welcome seeing Spidey in the Avengers movies

Spidey in the Avengers is sort of like Wolverine in the Avengers. It's a fairly modern thing and never really meshes with the traditional mental image of the team. Which is kind of a shame because some writers did manage to get some really good interactions out of it.

Of course Spidey is also technically also a member of the FF. for a traditionally team less loner hero he sure does seem to get a lot of membership cards.

Here's what I said a few weeks back about the possible connections between the two franchises.

Personally I think its very likely, especially when the Avengers made 2 billion dollars. The Sequel will most likely make even more so I can easily see Sony wanting a slice. Even more so when you look at the money problems at Sony.

Sure Spidey most likely appear as an Avenger, but he can easily mix with other heroes at Marvel. Daredevil, Punisher and the Heroes for Hire.

The lady who produces the X-men films at Fox also stated interest in crossing the X-men with the MCU. While this one is less likely than Spidey, it would be IMO easier to join a Universe than start one.

The rumour is that Mark Millar is also interested, but I think they want to first fix the X-universe in DOFP.

Unfortunately Disney doesn't really have a reputation for doing those type of team ups or cross studio deals. Certainly not in mainline franchises that they plan on incorporating into their theme park empire. Isn't part of the reason that the Indiana Jones franchise is effectively dead with Lucas's sale to Disney, that IJ is shared in some way with Paramount?

[Spider-Man]

I'd rather see Spidey in a New Avengers team with Iron fist, Luke Cage and Daredevil. Just because they're more street based heroes, to me at least.

I completely agree with you. If I could have it my way there would be a New Avengers movie, however given what we currently have I think it is more likely he would appear in the Avengers movies and I would totally be all in with that!

Of course Spidey is also technically also a member of the FF. for a traditionally team less loner hero he sure does seem to get a lot of membership cards.

And complains about his commitments constantly!

[def]

Spidey on teams is a Joe Quesada thing. For 40 years, Spidey was never on any teams. I'm sure all the kids growing up on comics now think it's just fine, but it really goes against decades of history with the character. Oh well, as long as it sells...

[Marvelfan120]

I'd rather see Spidey in a New Avengers team with Iron fist, Luke Cage and Daredevil. Just because they're more street based heroes, to me at least. Where as Cap, Iron man and the main Avengers team are more international based.

I'm hoping Captain Britain makes an appearance in the winter solider. Maybe Cap and Fury go to England at the start to try and get some evidence of the winter solider. Then just introduce him to Captain Britain, which would set up an Excalibur movie in Phase three. One can dream right?

love to see a spidy LC IF and DD team up... I too would like to see captain b in a movie but it's not going to happen anytime soon

Spidey on teams is a Joe Quesada thing. For 40 years, Spidey was never on any teams. I'm sure all the kids growing up on comics now think it's just fine, but it really goes against decades of history with the character. Oh well, as long as it sells...

true but i like it...

[def]

true but i like it...

I can pretty well guess your birthday then

[Tanma]

Personally I would prefer Peter not join the Avengers, but maybe in a climatic battle have him in the background rescuing civilians and trying to use webbing to secure damaged buildings. You know, like while the Avengers fight he saves lives, that sort of thing.

[Lord Rahl of Clannad]

Personally I would prefer Peter not join the Avengers, but maybe in a climatic battle have him in the background rescuing civilians and trying to use webbing to secure damaged buildings. You know, like while the Avengers fight he saves lives, that sort of thing.

I originally thought that having Spidey join the Avengers would be a good idea, but this idea is so much better for his character! After all, Spidey is always looking out for the people so it would make sense for him to save them rather than help the Avengers fight and destroy the city (unintentionally) in their battle.

[BrickG]

Honestly I think Marvel isn't doing that great.

Iron Man 1 was a good movie. Avengers was a good movie. Great and awesomely awesome movies? Idunno...

Thor and Captain America and Iron Man 2 IMO weren't nearly as good as those two. Good movies still... but not great. I'd call most of the modern Marvel movies "B movies" (not the literal B movies but just grade B). Then compared to the Batman trilogy there's mostly no contest.

If Superman does great, around as great as Batman... then I think DC would be "winning" when it comes to quality. It remains to be seen if they can continue the quality past Batman. If they can I'll be a lot more excited for the Justice League than I was for the Avengers.

[The Legonater]

Frankly, I don't see all the hating on Thor. Captain America and IM2, I can understand, but I genuinely think Thor was a really good movie.

[def]

Thor and Captain America and Iron Man 2 IMO weren't nearly as good as those two. Good movies still... but not great. I'd call most of the modern Marvel movies "B movies" (not the literal B movies but just grade B). Then compared to the Batman trilogy there's mostly no contest.

I agree, those are B-grade movies. Unfortunately, most of Hollywood's action movies are C-grade or worse, making them solidly enjoyable.

Compare them to Batman if you need to, but they should almost be considered one movie, since all of the talents remained the same.

If Superman does great, around as great as Batman... then I think DC would be "winning" when it comes to quality. It remains to be seen if they can continue the quality past Batman. If they can I'll be a lot more excited for the Justice League than I was for the Avengers.

DC has had the money for decades, and the only reason they're working so hard to develop other properties right now is because they want to catch up to Marvel <cough, Green Lantern, cough>. I don't think there's any question that Marvel has handled their properties excellently. And the Marvel movies in development right now look to be a step up from the last round. Thor 2, Iron Man 3, and Guardians all have great talent behind them, on screen, in the writers' room, and the directors. Warner Brothers is going to be playing catch-up for at least a decade.

I didn't enjoy Iron Man 2 much at all, just some scenes, but not as a movie. But the guy doing the new one, Shane Black, is a damn talented guy. Check out a movie he wrote and directed with Downey in the lead, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, if you want to get hyped up more for Iron Man 3. It's just an awesome relatively unknown film.

[Sam892]

Honestly I think Marvel isn't doing that great.

Iron Man 1 was a good movie. Avengers was a good movie. Great and awesomely awesome movies? Idunno...

Thor and Captain America and Iron Man 2 IMO weren't nearly as good as those two. Good movies still... but not great. I'd call most of the modern Marvel movies "B movies" (not the literal B movies but just grade B). Then compared to the Batman trilogy there's mostly no contest.

If Superman does great, around as great as Batman... then I think DC would be "winning" when it comes to quality. It remains to be seen if they can continue the quality past Batman. If they can I'll be a lot more excited for the Justice League than I was for the Avengers.

I disagree with the whole DC winning statement. Batman Begins and the Dark Knight are incredible films but there not Batman to me. To me Batman is the Bat family, they are so important to him in the comics but Nolan discarded them easily. Characters like Nightwing, Robin and Batgirl are as important to Batman as Joker and his villians are. The Dark Knight Rises is a terrible film, there is so many plot holes in Banes plan is almost laughable. On top of that Batman spends half the film in a prison cell. Sure Batman back got Broken in the comics but, when I pay £10.60 to see a film I want to see Batman. Thing that really destroyed that film was the whole Robin thing aswell.

Green Lantern, Superman returns, Batman Forever, Batman and Robin and Superman 3 & 4 are proof that DC don't know how to handle there properties.

That's not to mention the Justice League film that they have been trying to make for 15 years.

If Marvel have shown anything over the past 6 years its that they are willing to:

A). Create quality products instead of rush through terrible films.

B). Spend time and Money creating a Universe that many Cinema goers are invested in.

The whole Justice League saga that's currently on going shows, DC are just trying to get a film out that might be able to ride the Avengers band wagon.

DC expect to be able to create a Universe in just 2 years following MOS. To me that's terrible, they don't even have the rights to Green Arrow and Wonder Woman. Both those characters are tied legally to TV shows. So the Justice league will feature the following:

Man of Steel Superman

Batman that's either a reboot three years after the last film, or not Bruce Wayne or Bale comes back and ruins the happy ending Wayne got in TDKR.

Green Lantern

Aquaman

And most likely Cyborg.

IMO DC are struggling to even compete with Marvel.

[Spider-Man]

The Dark Knight Rises is a terrible film, there is so many plot holes in Banes plan is almost laughable. On top of that Batman spends half the film in a prison cell. Sure Batman back got Broken in the comics but, when I pay £10.60 to see a film I want to see Batman.

Finally someone who agrees with me about TDKR! As soon as I left the theater my friends were all saying how awesome it was and I was the only one to say that it just didn't feel like a superhero movie. It was a good action movie, but definitely didn't have the same superhero feel that Marvel has been able to accomplish.

At this point DC is just trying to latch onto Marvel's coattails and see if they can strike gold.

[BrickG]

I agree they're better than most action movies in Hollywood. They ARE good. Just not great.

As for Batman. I agree they're not THAT Batman but I had no problems simply thinking of it as it's own Batman, which it is. The only issue I have with the normal Bat family is the ridiculous amount of Robins which are for the most part physically almost entirely alike. :P

Lastly Thor. I thought it was the weakest. I mean, the love interest literally came out of nowhere and was basically a gal who say a d00d with his shirt off and fall in love. Thor's evolution from jerk to worthy d00d wasn't written that well and kind of just happened, quickly and without much development.

But I just kind of expected better. They're for the most part just above average.

[XimenaPaulina]

Spidey on teams is a Joe Quesada thing. For 40 years, Spidey was never on any teams. I'm sure all the kids growing up on comics now think it's just fine, but it really goes against decades of history with the character. Oh well, as long as it sells...

Spidey will always be known as a mainstream solitary superhero, sure he has appeared as member of some superhero teams, but only die-hard comic book fans know that. Just ask people from the street and they'd tell you they only know Spidey as Spidey, not as a member of the Avengers, new Fantastic Four, Heroes for HIre, etc.

I'd personally prefer for Spidey not to become a regular member of the Avengers MCU. But I do want him to make a one-movie apperance in one of the Avengers movies, I think that would work well for keeping Spidey's "one-man show" reputation and also pleasing those fans who want to see him battle with the Avengers. Marvel would be happy with his cross-over appearance, Sony would be happy piggybacking with the Avenger;s $ucce$$, Marvel fans would be happy to see prominent superheroes fighting together, everybody's happy!

[Sam892]

If I was to rank the MCU films it would be:

1. Avengers

2. Iron man

3. Thor

4. Iron man 2

5. Captain America

6. The Incredfible Hulk

I like them all and have no major problems with any of them, but that's the order I'd pick. I thought that Thor was really good. It was less about the love story for me, and that became a side plot. It was more of someone accepting responsibility, and how their actions affect others. At the beginning Thor is very arrogant and cocky prince, who loses everything. Only when he loses everything does he truly accept the Resposibility of how to lead, and the self sacrifice needed ( leaving Earth with the knowledge he may not be able to return).

What makes it even better is how they adapted the source material. Asguard is a lot different in the comics, but how they portrayed it in the films makes it seem believable.

Captain America was ok but I felt it was always going to struggle. From the start we know where cap needs to end up ( Frozen in present day). This stopped me from suspending my Disbelief's. instantly we know Caps in no danger and that he live on. While we know that the other films won't kill Iron man or Thor, I still felt that they were in danger during there films.

Just like DKR Captain America has us go through the origin, him fight a nazi, then have him dressed as Captain America, only for him to not be Cap for another 25 mins.

Hulk was ok but It wasn't as good as the rest and the Whole Hulk being hunted got stale fast. However I still enjoyed it.

I do see your point about the Robins but, the Arguement could be made for many DC characters. All the Robins look like Batman, Batman looks like Superman and it really depends on the Artist. I've seen variations of characters that look completely different than how I usually imagine them.

On a side note I went to a small art gallery today while LEGO shopping. They had a big Marvel section of all classic comic covers printed on Canvas. Each one was personally signed by Stan Lee. I would have bought one could I have Afforded it. Alas instead I got a couple of Iron man 3 sets.

[Leo604]

Finally someone who agrees with me about TDKR! As soon as I left the theater my friends were all saying how awesome it was and I was the only one to say that it just didn't feel like a superhero movie. It was a good action movie, but definitely didn't have the same superhero feel that Marvel has been able to accomplish.

At this point DC is just trying to latch onto Marvel's coattails and see if they can strike gold.

It certainly wasn't a superhero movie; the realism that Christopher Nolan achieved kind of speaks to that. I think it's more of an upside from that perspective though, which was something I thought the Burton/Schumacher series seriously lacked.

[The Legonater]

If I was to rank the MCU films it would be:

1. Avengers

2. Iron man

3. Thor

4. Iron man 2

5. Captain America

6. The Incredfible Hulk

The same here, except with IM2 and CA switched. I found IM2 really weak in a lot of aspects, and reaches an 'okay' status. I feel it was giving too much emphasis on the Demon in a Bottle and SHIELD plots, and not enough on the enemy. Whiplash and Hammer almost feel added on, and weren't really given enough focus.

[Leo604]

The same here, except with IM2 and CA switched. I found IM2 really weak in a lot of aspects, and reaches an 'okay' status. I feel it was giving too much emphasis on the Demon in a Bottle and SHIELD plots, and not enough on the enemy. Whiplash and Hammer almost feel added on, and weren't really given enough focus.

My order would be, and I'm gonna preface my comments by first saying I'm hugely biased as a Captain America fan which is why I'm ranking it above Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk:

1. Avengers (obviously).

2. Iron Man

3. Thor

4. Captain America

5. Iron Man 2

6. Hulk

[Marvelfan120]

Dave Bautista to plat Dax

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/marvel-signs-wwes-dave-bautista-428724

Not sure what to think... a few decent actors have come out of the WWE... and a whole slew of terrible ones... oh well, guess we have to wait and see

as far as my marvel movie rankings, I'm a little different in that thor was further down my list

1: Avengers, can there be any doubt.

2: iron man

3: Captain America

4: IM2

5: thor- I thought thor came off like a spoiled brat in the beginning of the movie and his character was way too one dimensional til near the end

6: the incredible hulk

I expect IM3 will slot in at 3rd or 4th, I think it has the potential to slot #2 but #1 would be a real surprise

[Sam892]

I see that there's more X-men news, Colossus is returning. I just hope now we get Nightcrawler, Cyclops and X3 Beast back as well.

[Marvelfan120]

I see that there's more X-men news, Colossus is returning. I just hope now we get Nightcrawler, Cyclops and X3 Beast back as well.

it would be nice if colossus and beast had bigger parts to play