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Tanma Mentor

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You know how some time ago I wrote a story taking place in the MCU? Well I just posted a sequel to that story. You can check it out if you like, feel free to comment and all that. And in other news, I have been hearing rumors that the Green Goblin could appear in the Amazing Spider-Man 2. I knew Osborn was going to be in it, but I thought they were saving his identity for the third film.

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Leo604 Mentor

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Awesome teaser poster for Captain America: The Winter Soldier:

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I wouldn't call it 'awesome', per se; very foreshadowing though, with the rusted/faded away colours.

Well the real Mandarin was certainly a villain, but he was working behind the scenes.

I think that's the problem the majority of people had with it - the disappointment that the very public and vilified villain just turned out to be a puppet and the mastermind is just a businessman. Ben Kingsley's acting prior to the revelation in the mansion was so good I think a lot of people had be to frustrated with the plot twist.

At least that's how I view/personally feel about it.

BlueberryWaffles Mentor

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I think that's the problem the majority of people had with it - the disappointment that the very public and vilified villain just turned out to be a puppet and the mastermind is just a businessman. Ben Kingsley's acting prior to the revelation in the mansion was so good I think a lot of people had be to frustrated with the plot twist.

At least that's how I view/personally feel about it.

Exactly. If Kingsley really was the main villian we could've had Marvel's version of Heath Ledger.

Spider-Man Proficient

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I hope that Marc Webb just nods his head and moves on from that idea. You can't just completely change a character like that in order to try and make a ground breaking movie, which it would be. I don't think there is anything substantial to that report, but I guess we will have to wait and see.

Spider-Man Proficient

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What the heck!?!?! No way! I am NOT gonna watch that movie if they do that!

I wouldn't worry about it at all. The backlash from a move like this would be way more than any good it would do. Making a character gay just for the sake of making some waves and getting publicity seems like an insult to the entire gay community.

Scorpiox Grand Master

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Hey, I have an idea- why don't we all pretend homosexuality doesn't exist? :sarcasm_hmpf:

And what do you mean, 'all it takes'. That is a new idea- look I can prove it. Its never been done before. *oh2*

I think that you are misunderstanding. No-one is speaking homophobically here.Changing a characters core personality simply for the sake of causing uproar isn't original, it's just plain stupid. Andrew Garfield is extremely naive and perhaps arrogant in thinking that he could get away with flat out ruining (that's right, Spider-Man is created on his love for Mary-Jane, who IS a woman) because he thinks it might be an interesting idea. Spider-Man isn't gay, that is basically the foundation of his comic origins. Yes, there ought to be more gay popular characters, but that should involve making new ones rather than having a go with one of Marvel's famous faces.

If a director wakes up one day and thinks "I've got myself an idea! Why don't I take one of the world's most recognisable superheroes and mess around with them? Should irritate the entire fanbase and make myself look foolish if I'm lucky." - they are barely worth my time in watching a film of theirs. It would be the same and cause the same annoyance if Spider-Man were made into a cruel sadist for a similar reason.

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I have no problem with having a gay Spider-man, but I do with a gay Peter Parker. Not because I have a problem with gay characters, but because I have a very clear image of what Peter should be. Instead of making Peter gay, why don't they bring in Miles? Isn't Miles gay?

Tanma Mentor

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I think that you are misunderstanding. No-one is speaking homophobically here.Changing a characters core personality simply for the sake of causing uproar isn't original, it's just plain stupid. Andrew Garfield is extremely naive and perhaps arrogant in thinking that he could get away with flat out ruining (that's right, Spider-Man is created on his love for Mary-Jane, who IS a woman) because he thinks it might be an interesting idea. Spider-Man isn't gay, that is basically the foundation of his comic origins. Yes, there ought to be more gay popular characters, but that should involve making new ones rather than having a go with one of Marvel's famous faces.

If a director wakes up one day and thinks "I've got myself an idea! Why don't I take one of the world's most recognisable superheroes and mess around with them? Should irritate the entire fanbase and make myself look foolish if I'm lucky." - they are barely worth my time in watching a film of theirs. It would be the same and cause the same annoyance if Spider-Man were made into a cruel sadist for a similar reason.

Um, how is Peter not being gay his foundation? As far as I know his foundation was a orphan who lost his parents, was raised by his aunt and uncle, was anti social and didn't have many friends, got superpowers, and failed to save his uncle, promoting him to become a vigilante. From what I know nothing in the mythos requires one sexuality or another, and not just because their already is a parallel universe with a gay MJ. (she is Spider-Woman there) Same thing with the debate about letting that Community guy play Spider-Man. As far as I know nothing in the mythos required him to be white, his race isn't tied to his identity like the Red Skull or Black Panther. .

Personally I don't think they would do movie Peter as gay, they already had him and Gwen. They could have him as bi, but gay would be ignoring the interactions between the two leads in the original film. In my opinion it doesn't matter, though I do worry about making alternate reality versions of characters gay, it might be seen to imply sexuality is a choice. Which won't be a good idea. But hey, I don't really get humans, so I might misunderstand.That said, you realize Andrew was joking around at the time?

No, Miles isn't gay. But Ultimate Peter does have a female clone which causes endless debates on her sexuality. But we all know of my love for Ultimate Jessica Drew, I posted two stories here about her.

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Scorpiox Grand Master

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Um, how is Peter not being gay his foundation? As far as I know his foundation was a orphan who lost his parents, was raised by his aunt and uncle, was anti social and didn't have many friends, got superpowers, and failed to save his uncle, promoting him to become a vigilante. From what I know nothing in the mythos requires one sexuality or another, and not just because their already is a parallel universe with a gay MJ. (she is Spider-Woman there) Same thing with the debate about letting that Community guy play Spider-Man. As far as I know nothing in the mythos required him to be white, his race isn't tied to his identity like the Red Skull or Black Panther. .

Personally I don't think they would do movie Peter as gay, they already had him and Gwen. They could have him as bi, but gay would be ignoring the interactions between the two leads in the original film. In my opinion it doesn't matter, though I do worry about making alternate reality versions of characters gay, it might be seen to imply sexuality is a choice. Which won't be a good idea. But hey, I don't really get humans, so I might misunderstand.That said, you realize Andrew was joking around at the time?

I don't think that we need to debate the little details in this way. Arguing that Spider-Man might as well be something or the other is irrelevant to my point. The truth is: deliberately changing a character's origin, personality or other factors plainly for the desire of attention and controversy isn't the done thing. For example: Peter Parker doesn't have to be played by a white American - but if a change of race occurs it should be for the reason of a director deciding that a non-white actor is more appropriate for the role at the time, not simply because they want to shake things up. Just think of the Rooney Rule in basketball and realise what I mean. :wink:

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