Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Tanma]

As someone who follows blogs about Hank, never judge Hank by Ultimate Hank. I hear again and again how he is a horrible version of the character, and very different from the source. The wife thing did happen once in the main comics, and although it wasn't okay he has also had guilt about it ever since. Not to mention that Peter Parker once punched a pregnant woman, and he isn't blacklisted. If you exist in comics eventually you will do something stupid and horrible, it's only a matter of time. Hank was a major character in Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes, a show that ran for like three years. That's how I met him, and honestly I still have trouble buying the wife thing. He is like a pacifist, he ends up quitting because he wants to help criminals rehabilitate and because he hates violence. If you ever want to see Hank, check it out.

[The Legonater]

Honestly I can see that happening:

A) They need a reason for Tony to become Iron man.

B) while it is possible it's unlikely they will say Hank Pymm created Ultron if he isn't in the Film.

Tony Stark is Iron Man. I don't know how much clearer I can make that. The whole point of Iron Man 3 was to show that even without the armour, Tony Stark is Iron Man. The arc reactor was removed? He's has it removed for years in the comics and has never stopped being Iron Man. As soon as there's a global threat and Stark is needed, he can easily whip up a suit within the next 24 hours or less.

[Sam892]

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Tony Stark is Iron Man. I don't know how much clearer I can make that. The whole point of Iron Man 3 was to show that even without the armour, Tony Stark is Iron Man. The arc reactor was removed? He's has it removed for years in the comics and has never stopped being Iron Man. As soon as there's a global threat and Stark is needed, he can easily whip up a suit within the next 24 hours or less.

I think your misunderstood what I meant. I know that Tony Stark is still Iron man the movie was clear on that. Currently Tony Stark does not own a Iron man suit all the Suits were destroyed in either the attack on the mansion, or during the Clean slate protocol. There is also no need for Tony to make a suit as there is need for him currently.

However if J.A.R.V.I.S was to become Ultron Tony Stark would Create a New Iron man suit. If it was another threat however like, MODOK or whatever Stark may not feel the need to create and wear a new suit. This may be because Stark could see that there are multiple heroes that could go to the Rescue (Rhodey, Cap, Hulk, Hawkeye, Black Widow even SHIELD or the countless unmention heroes that exist in that world). But if the threat is something which he created he would be more motivated to physically do something. Instead of sitting back and saying the others have got this, he would be like right lets do this. It would be more personal for Tony, at the end of Iron man 3 he doesn't really have much ( apart from Pepper, lots of money and Stark tower) he's got no home, no suits, no need to build more suits, no unfinished business and no reason to wear a suit for a while. The house situation would be irrelevant Tony is most likely moving to Stark tower now. But everything else wouldn't change easily but Jarvis becoming Ultron would change everything there. There would be a personal need for Tony to build a suit, use that suit, and take action.

[Spider-Man]

I would be really disappointed if Hank isn't in the MCU. I find Scott Lang to be a way less substantial character than Hank. At this point I wouldn't put anything past Marvel, and I also wouldn't listen to everything they are telling us. I'm sure they don't want to give out their grand scheme and might be trying to throw us off the trail.

[The Legonater]

If something as large a threat as Ultron attacked, Tony Stark would not be one to sit back and let others do the work. He's come to the point where he knows his place, and that he can and is obligated to help out.

As for Hank Pym, Joss Whedon has said things to throw fans for a loop before, and I wouldn't be surprised is he's done it again.

[Flipz]

I'm not entirely sure what's indecent about someone owning the movie rights to two characters.

Eh, depends on who owns the rights.

Hank Pymm is one of the few comic book names I knew even before the first Iron Man film came out. I'll be a bit disappointed if I don't get to see him in the MCU.

[Zepher]

Edgar Wright, one of my personal favorite directors of all time, has essentially been green-lit for an Ant-Man movie. So while he won't be in the Avengers 2, he is the first film of Phase 3, and therefore most likely in Avengers 3.

Likewise, Robert Downey has signed for Avengers 2 and 3. He will be Iron Man in them because why would he not be Iron Man in them?

[Tanma]

Oh I have known about the Ant-Man movie for a while. (although what we really need is a Wasp movie) The main rumor I have heard is that it will feature Scott Lang and Hank Pym, though the rumors about them splinter from there. So Hank might just build the suit and not actually be Ant-Man. So I'm not mad about that. (although I really want Jan confirmed to be in Avengers 2 or Ant-Man, I am getting really impatient) I am mad that Hank isn't even in the movie his best rogue premiers in. And what I am worried about the most is that this will cause a retcon where Tony made Ultron in the comics. They already introduced Nick Fury Jr, don't think they won't try it.

[The Legonater]

Oh I have known about the Ant-Man movie for a while. (although what we really need is a Wasp movie) The main rumor I have heard is that it will feature Scott Lang and Hank Pym, though the rumors about them splinter from there. So Hank might just build the suit and not actually be Ant-Man. So I'm not mad about that. (although I really want Jan confirmed to be in Avengers 2 or Ant-Man, I am getting really impatient) I am mad that Hank isn't even in the movie his best rogue premiers in. And what I am worried about the most is that this will cause a retcon where Tony made Ultron in the comics. They already introduced Nick Fury Jr, don't think they won't try it.

I may be wrong, because I don't follow the comics that closely (most of my knowledge comes from M:AA and my tendency to deeply research whatever I get into) but aren't the comics and the movies mutually exclusive? It's not like Star Wars, where any change in the movies directly affects the books, right?

[Leo604]

I may be wrong, because I don't follow the comics that closely (most of my knowledge comes from M:AA and my tendency to deeply research whatever I get into) but aren't the comics and the movies mutually exclusive? It's not like Star Wars, where any change in the movies directly affects the books, right?

Yeah, the movies are completely separate from any of the comic storylines; hence the name Marvel Cinematic Universe.

I'm not a big comic book reader either so I'm not sure what Tanma is getting at.

[Sam892]

Oh I have known about the Ant-Man movie for a while. (although what we really need is a Wasp movie) The main rumor I have heard is that it will feature Scott Lang and Hank Pym, though the rumors about them splinter from there. So Hank might just build the suit and not actually be Ant-Man. So I'm not mad about that. (although I really want Jan confirmed to be in Avengers 2 or Ant-Man, I am getting really impatient) I am mad that Hank isn't even in the movie his best rogue premiers in. And what I am worried about the most is that this will cause a retcon where Tony made Ultron in the comics. They already introduced Nick Fury Jr, don't think they won't try it.

They just finished a large event with Ultron in the main universe. To some it up very quickly, Ultron has taken over the whole world and killed of most of its heroes. Hulk, Thor, Cyclops and nearly everyone else has been killed by Ultron. Luke Cage gets himself captured in order to find out where Ultron is. It's revealed that Ultron is in the future, and is using the Vision as his puppet. She hulk is killed and Luke cage dies after informing the others of this. The heroes travel to the savage land and find Nick Fury in his end of the world bunker. The team splits in two and Nick, Cap and a few others travel to the future to stop Ultron. They are all killed. And Wolverine and Sue storm travel back in time to a moment before Hank creates Ultron. Wolverine and Sue Storm kill Hank, and travel back to the present. When they arrive in the future they find that without Hank the Avengers broke up, and Earth is under constant threat from both Asgard and the Skrulls. Seeing how terrible the world is they travel back and stop them selfs from killing Pymm and instead convince him to install a fail safe so that at the moment Ultron would win, he would die. That way he still creates Vision and Dies just before he can take over the world. After this Pymm realises that Ultron wasn't his defining moment but it was Antman.

From what I've head about the Ant man film, Pymm will be a scientist in the 60s who creates the technology and in the present day Scot Lang uses it to fight crime. If this is true then I understand why Pymm wouldn't be involved in the creation of Ultron in this Universe. Also because of the event above (also called Age of Ultron) I don't think that Marvel will retcon Ultron. Besides they haven't retconed the Mandarin yet.

[Tanma]

Oh I know all about the Age of Ultron event, it was crap. Well, what event books aren't nowadays? I hear good things about one of the old Thanos events though. Point is, Hank had gotten over his guilt in other books before, writers just like regressing him. And even that story still featured Hank in a pivotal role. This story doesn't feature Hank at all. I have also heard the time periods story as well, and it worries me that Jan will be trapped in the sixties as it were.

They got major whiplash from comic book fans over the Mandarin, so I am not sure it counts. Perhaps I am worried for nothing, but when they cancel a great show like EMH for "Movie Avengers," I get worried that the movies have too much influence.

[Leo604]

I don't think I've seen anyone post this yet, but here are the first official posters for DOFP:

[Spider-Man]

Whoa those are pretty trippy posters! But they are oh so cool! Thanks for posting them!

[TheLegoDr]

I am lost in everything MCU other than what has been put out. I know nothing of these other characters everyone mentions. I guess it is good for me since I won't be upset if they just butcher a storyline because I have nothing invested into it. But I can understand the joy of knowing about these backstories and discussing it on the webs.

I didn't care much for First Class, but I do love X-Men and hopefully they can do better with them in the next installments. (and hoping for sets involving X-Men figures).

[BrickG]

The posters are deformed to me because clearly these are different people ;p.

The eyes are misaligned and stuff. Photoshop that crap to make sense!

Anyways, in terms of Marvel movies... of course I'll go see them but at this point I'm not like hyped for them at all.

Iron Man is good. The character however doesn't appeal that much to me ("cool" characters do not appeal to me). Iron Man 2 and 3 weren't as good.

I swear Thor and Captain America are just B movies with a big name. Good movies. Not great. Not REALLY good. Just good. I mean I'm surprised people complain about the Man of Steel character development. Thor had half as much (Loki is cool though). Captain America had a fairly large cast that all got even less (unless you were Cap you got almost none).

Avengers did really well. Wedon is so good with character interactions that they don't need as much development. His characters are so CLEAR you feel like you know them after a few scenes. Sure, Black Widow didn't get much but her character was fun and interesting. The Hulk was a new version and yet it worked. He's one of the only people who can pull off large casts without screwing it up (unlike X-Men 3). I'm probably looking forward to Avengers 2 more than any of the other movies.

But right now my most wanted is probably the DC movie... Batman VS Superman / Superman VS Batman (apparently even they don't know what to call it). Assuming Snyder doesn't fully Snyder it.

Edited July 23, 2013 by BrickG

[Leo604]

I didn't care much for First Class, but I do love X-Men and hopefully they can do better with them in the next installments. (and hoping for sets involving X-Men figures).

Yeah, I wish TLG had started the Marvel Superheroes line right away in 2011 instead of focusing solely on the first wave of DC sets; I think there was a 2 month gap between the start of Superheroes and First Class' release so they would've have time to make a few.

[Faefrost]

Here's the article where Joss confirms no Hank Pymm in Avengers 2 http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=83845

Honestly I can see that happening:

A) They need a reason for Tony to become Iron man.

B) while it is possible it's unlikely they will say Hank Pymm created Ultron if he isn't in the Film.

While I personally would like to see Pymm create Ultron I guess they are going a different route. It makes some sense as well. Edgar Wright doesn't want Hank Pymm as Antman he wants Scot Lang. I don't think Scot creating Ultron works personally, also Hank may not fit with Hanks character.

I haven't read much about Hank Pymm, I've read the first Ultimates arc and Age of Ultron AU 1 and Avengers Disassembled. From those three arcs all I've got is that his biggest mistakes are creating Ultron and beating his wife. I can't see Disney wanting to use him for the whole wife beating thing. Sure Tony was an alcoholic, but it rarely gets mentioned now a days. But with Hank from the three stories I've read and what I've been told by others the Wife beating is mentioned every so often. I think that's why they are going Scot Lang and maybe having Tony create Ultron.

But I do agree Tony is having to much revolve around him in the MCU, I guess it's because he sells tickets.

In the main Marvel comic line Hank Pym is a bit more complex than that. At heart Hank Pym is brilliant, well meaning, but more than a bit flawed erratic and occasionally unbalanced. It's a shame that that all gets boiled down into "he hit his wife". It is kind of surprising that Wheedon would not use him as he seems to be almost tailor made for Joss's type of stories.

[The Legonater]

Anyways, in terms of Marvel movies... of course I'll go see them but at this point I'm not like hyped for them at all.

Iron Man is good. The character however doesn't appeal that much to me ("cool" characters do not appeal to me). Iron Man 2 and 3 weren't as good.

I swear Thor and Captain America are just B movies with a big name. Good movies. Not great. Not REALLY good. Just good. I mean I'm surprised people complain about the Man of Steel character development. Thor had half as much (Loki is cool though). Captain America had a fairly large cast that all got even less (unless you were Cap you got almost none).

The key issue with IM2 was that there was just too much going on. They tried to establish SHIELD, Black Widow, Nick Fury, War Machine, develop Tony Stark, do the Demon in a Bottle Plotline, show Hammer, show Whiplash/Crimson Dynamo, introduce the new element, etc, etc all in one movie. It was too much.

I'll never understand the IM3 hate. The only things that bothered me were that the Mandarin never used the magic rings, what they did with Extremis, and the lack of classic AIM hazmats was a little disappointing.

Captain America I'll agree on, though I don't get why people find Thor so bland. It's one of the funniest of the MCU movies, and has a lot going on. As for lack of characterization, Thor makes a total 180 from boisterous bruiser to a more humble leader, while as Loki becomes near-insane at the revelation of his lineage. That's a lot of characterization.

Avengers did really well. Wedon is so good with character interactions that they don't need as much development. His characters are so CLEAR you feel like you know them after a few scenes. Sure, Black Widow didn't get much but her character was fun and interesting. The Hulk was a new version and yet it worked. He's one of the only people who can pull off large casts without screwing it up (unlike X-Men 3). I'm probably looking forward to Avengers 2 more than any of the other movies.

But right now my most wanted is probably the DC movie... Batman VS Superman / Superman VS Batman (apparently even they don't know what to call it). Assuming Snyder doesn't fully Snyder it.

Whedon is great. I just finished watching Firefly, and loved it. I'm glad Whedon is behind the helm of Agent of SHIELD, and it gives me a lot of hope for the show.

I'm really not sure what to think of Batman vs. Superman. I know a lot of people have been asking for it, but I found Man of Steel fairly mediocre, and I feel it's far too soon for a Batman reboot.

[The_Chosen_1]

I've been happy to see that early reviews for The Wolverine have been pretty positive! I'm definitely looking forward to seeing it this weekend.

[Leo604]

I've been happy to see that early reviews for The Wolverine have been pretty positive! I'm definitely looking forward to seeing it this weekend.

Yeah, at 75% I'm actually surprised critics didn't completely destroy it. Makes me more eager to see it next week.

[Spider-Man]

I think it might be benefiting from having pretty low expectations, unlike the Lone Ranger. I'm glad it's doing well regardless being that Wolverine is my 3rd favorite hero! I'm getting more excited to see it, but I still have pretty low/realistic expectations.

[The Legonater]

I just can't get over the fact they take away his healing factor, yet he still uses the claws. It makes no sense. I won't be seeing it in theaters, if ever. The only thing that seems interesting to me about the movie is the Silver Samurai.

[Im a brickmaster.]

Personally, I think The first Avenger was one of the best marvel movies made. Iron Man was a complete knock out so was the third one, the second being slightly below the others. Thor was better then I expected. Avengers? Seeing as its been called the greatest superhero movie of all time speaks for its self. Ant-Man movie? No, what kind of plot would it have? Who would be the adversary? If he was too be in a movie at would be a role similar to Hawkeye, maybe even less. Anyhow, those are my thoughts!

Edited July 24, 2013 by Im a brickmaster.

[Leo604]

Personally, I think The first Avenger was one of the best marvel movies made. Iron Man was a complete knock out so was the third one, the second being slightly below the others. Thor was better then I expected. Avengers? Seeing as its been called the greatest superhero movie of all time speaks for its self. Ant-Man movie? No, what kind of plot would it have? Who would be the adversary? If he was too be in a movie at would be a role similar to Hawkeye, maybe even less. Anyhow, those are my thoughts!

Are you referring to him being in Avengers 2, probably in a limited role, or the Ant-Man solo movie that will be released later in 2015? Cause in the big picture he'll get more screen time than Hawkeye has thus far.