Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Faefrost]

. Ant-Man movie? No, what kind of plot would it have? Who would be the adversary? If he was too be in a movie at would be a role similar to Hawkeye, maybe even less. Anyhow, those are my thoughts!

See, what a lot of people often miss is that Comics do not always equal Movies. And characters or basic stories that often seem B or C list in their original source material, often convert to a movie much better than some of the better known A listers. The first Iron Man was a great example of this.

Look at 2 forthcoming Marvel movies. Ant Man and Guardians of the Galaxy. If you just look at them as comics they are barely known bit players. Nothing spectacular. Ho hum. But the underlying stories beneath them are the types of things that Hollywood has a history of doing very very well.

GotG is at heart a Dirty Dozen or Magnificent 7 type story told as Space Opera instead of a War, Western (or Samurai flick if you prefer.) it's a pack of rejects on a suicide mission. Just with Star Wars trappings instead of Nazi's. this is he sort of baseline that directors like Spielberg love starting from. It may end up sucking. Especially if too much baggage gets piled on. But at its core is the potential for a very good and very clean movie. Something other than guys in capes hitting each other.

Ant Man has a 1950's ish SciFi adventure vibe all over it. Just the whole size change gimmick is some thing that movie makers have long used reasonably well. Throw in a Mission Impossible type vibe with it, and there is good potential for some fun. As for villains, it will depend on which Ant Man they go for. If Hank Pym they are almost stuck with (ugh!) Egghead, as they will have already used Ultron. Granted Egghead does have a kinda creepy 1950's mad scientist vibe, I think it is best avoided, or left dead and buried with Vincent Price. Whereas if they go with the Scott Lang ex-con Ant Man, then that most likely would give us Taskmaster as the villain. Which could be awesome.

[Scorpiox]

I just can't get over the fact they take away his healing factor, yet he still uses the claws. It makes no sense. I won't be seeing it in theaters, if ever. The only thing that seems interesting to me about the movie is the Silver Samurai.

That is kind of the point to the film, that much I can gather by just watching the trailer...

Hugh Jackman exclaiming "He took away my healing power!", and that other man saying "I have the power to make you... mortal" give that game away a little to be honest.

[Tanma]

Oh man, I didn't know Scott had Taskmaster. Now my fondness for Finesse hopes that Scott appears. Come on Academy.

Though I wonder if they could adapt Young Avengers in the movies. If you have Scott you probably have Cassie, Scarlet Witch's existence could provide a Wiccan and Speed, Kate is independent of a legacy, Eli could be adapted I suppose, but he is where things get hard, Iron Lad could be changed to be a descendant of Tony Stark, but since Tony already is very important I think that might be a bad idea. Hulking is probably the hardest, since I don't know if the Skrull are owned by Fox or just the Super Skrull.

I kind of like it when heroes have few personal enemies, since most heroes create their foes. I don't know, it makes heroes with fewer rogues seem more heroic, since they contribute less to the cycle of revenge and violence. Like how in Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes every other villain was either Tony's, Thor's, Hulk's, or occasionally Steve's.

[The Legonater]

That is kind of the point to the film, that much I can gather by just watching the trailer...

Hugh Jackman exclaiming "He took away my healing power!", and that other man saying "I have the power to make you... mortal" give that game away a little to be honest.

I gathered that much, and that in itself is sort of annoying, though it sounds like something that might be in the comics. The part that bothers me the most is that he still uses the claws without the healing factor. At least, the trailer definitely makes it look that way. How on earth does he use the claws without bleeding to death if he doesn't have the healing factor!?

[Omicron]

I just can't get over the fact they take away his healing factor, yet he still uses the claws. It makes no sense. I won't be seeing it in theaters, if ever. The only thing that seems interesting to me about the movie is the Silver Samurai.

This happened before.

I can recall in the 90s cartoon when they went to the Savage Land, his healing powers were taken, but he still could use his claws (because at the time they were from Weapon X), and he used them despite the additional pain.

-Omi

[The Legonater]

It still seems absurd. It's been established the healing factor is the only thing keeping him from bleeding to death whenever he uses the claws. I don't see why that should change now.

[Omicron]

It still seems absurd. It's been established the healing factor is the only thing keeping him from bleeding to death whenever he uses the claws. I don't see why that should change now.

Not entirely. His body is also used to the claws constantly coming in and out. Initially when he started using them (and the admantium claws) he bled a whole lot. His body adapts.

And it isn't changing now. It's been a plot device before.

-Omi

Edited July 24, 2013 by Omicron

[Tanma]

What I don't get is even if pulling out the claws didn't hurt that much, wouldn't his metal skeleton poison him? Laura was poisoned by her Adaminium in the final arc in Avengers Academy when she was depowered, and she has less metal inside her.

[Spider-Man]

Anybody else hoping we will get to see Vision in Avengers 2! Having Ultron without Hank Pymm makes having Vision seem like it's all that much more important, and I really hope Wheadon works him in somewhere!

[Omicron]

What I don't get is even if pulling out the claws didn't hurt that much, wouldn't his metal skeleton poison him? Laura was poisoned by her Adaminium in the final arc in Avengers Academy when she was depowered, and she has less metal inside her.

All depends on what medium of canon they are working with. Some people get poisoned by stuff, some aren't.

-Omi

[Tanma]

Maybe Hank builds Vision instead of Ultron? I could live with that. I mean I assume Hank has a high knowledge of physics to discover and use Pym Particles, maybe he figured out how to phase things too.

[Mr Man]

I just can't get over the fact they take away his healing factor, yet he still uses the claws. It makes no sense.

I got the impression in the films that the healing factor is only responsible for surviving the procedure not for stopping rejection, Striker only said Sabretooth wouldn't survive the procedure not that he'd never survive long with the skeleton.

[Omicron]

I got the impression in the films that the healing factor is only responsible for surviving the procedure not for stopping rejection, Striker only said Sabretooth wouldn't survive the procedure not that he'd never survive long with the skeleton.

And given that in the comics when his adamantium is completely ripped off his skeleton by Magneto, it burned out his healing powers yet he still used his bone claws. And after that his body rejected the adamantium process because of that. He only successfully re-bonded because of Apocalypse.

-Omi

Edited July 25, 2013 by Omicron

[Im a brickmaster.]

I believe he in the new movie his healing ability is greatly reduced, not completely taken away. :shrug:

Edited July 25, 2013 by Im a brickmaster.

[Faefrost]

Oh man, I didn't know Scott had Taskmaster. Now my fondness for Finesse hopes that Scott appears. Come on Academy.

Though I wonder if they could adapt Young Avengers in the movies. If you have Scott you probably have Cassie, Scarlet Witch's existence could provide a Wiccan and Speed, Kate is independent of a legacy, Eli could be adapted I suppose, but he is where things get hard, Iron Lad could be changed to be a descendant of Tony Stark, but since Tony already is very important I think that might be a bad idea. Hulking is probably the hardest, since I don't know if the Skrull are owned by Fox or just the Super Skrull.

I kind of like it when heroes have few personal enemies, since most heroes create their foes. I don't know, it makes heroes with fewer rogues seem more heroic, since they contribute less to the cycle of revenge and violence. Like how in Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes every other villain was either Tony's, Thor's, Hulk's, or occasionally Steve's.

I'm thinking the safe assumption is if we get a Scott Lang Ant Man then Cassie will be as originally presented. A fairly young child. If I remember correctly he originally took the Ant Man gear to use it to protect her or rescue her or something similar. They didn't present her as a teenager with his powers until much much later.

[Spider-Man]

The current Wolverine comic series has him loosing his healing ability currently as well. It is a fairly common adventure for Wolverine to go on, and the majority of the time he can still use his claws for a multitude of reasons. I imagine the movie will discuss what the reason is in the case.

[The Legonater]

An interesting quote from Kevin Feige:

Hank Pym will play a very big role in his own movie, which is released after the Avengers. When you see and talk to other people about the title reveal that we did, they will tell you that what it was, was an Iron Man helmet that was slowly meticulously being bashed and ripped and sparked and torn apart into an Ultron face.

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[Faefrost]

Just saw The Wolverine. It was surprisingly good. Really good. I mean almost allows forgiveness XMen Origins Wolverine good and starts to repair the damage from X3. If you are a fan of the original Clairemont/Miller Wolverine solo miniseries, this is pretty close to the movie you have been begging and praying for for decades. It has some flaws, but it is still easily one of the years best comic book movies.

Oh and whatever you do... Stay through the credits! You're welcome!

[Spider-Man]

Just saw The Wolverine. It was surprisingly good. Really good. I mean almost allows forgiveness XMen Origins Wolverine good and starts to repair the damage from X3. If you are a fan of the original Clairemont/Miller Wolverine solo miniseries, this is pretty close to the movie you have been begging and praying for for decades. It has some flaws, but it is still easily one of the years best comic book movies.

Oh and whatever you do... Stay through the credits! You're welcome!

I can't wait to see this now It sounds like there is finally a good Wolverine story out there! And thanks for the after credits tip

[The_Chosen_1]

I completely agree with Faefrost!! I just got back from seeing the film, and was thoroughly impressed. And yes, whatever you do, stay midway through the credits!

[Vindicare]

So...is there just one? We have conflicting timeframes, through the credits or midway through.

[Faefrost]

So...is there just one? We have conflicting timeframes, through the credits or midway through.

The Easter Egg is midway through the credits. The scene starts "2 years later".

[Omicron]

Wolverine is also getting more spotlight in Days of Future Past, as I just found out, as he is the one being sent back through time.

Which I'm not happy about, even though I love the guy.

-Omi

Edited July 28, 2013 by Omicron

[The Brigante]

I'm just happy Nicholas Hoult and Lucas Till are coming back. Loved them both in First Class, although, I do hope they try and make Havok's powers more similar to his comic's counterpart.

[Spider-Man]

Wolverine is also getting more spotlight in Days of Future Past, as I just found out, as he is the one being sent back through time.

Which I'm not happy about, even though I love the guy.

-Omi

With all the Wolverine stuff going on, do you think we could ever see his actual costume in the MCU or is it just one of those costumes that wouldn't transition well onto the big screen?