Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Tanma]

A new story is up, Kitsune, check it out and tell me what you think.

Also, has anyone considered that the image of the Iron Man helmet getting beat up and turning into Ultron directly refers to the destruction of the suits in Iron Man 3? Jarvis was controlling each of them, what if one of them got damaged, which caused it to not self-destruct properly, and led it to survive with a damaged version of the Jarvis program as it's AI? And it's start to villainy is because its creator attempted to blow it up.

[Masked Builder]

No comments about Agents of Shield yet?

Well I for one quite enjoyed it. The plot was decent and the action was good. They really set up a lot of mystery and intrigue in the first episode, can't wait for more!

[Marvelfan120]

No comments about Agents of Shield yet?

Well I for one quite enjoyed it. The plot was decent and the action was good. They really set up a lot of mystery and intrigue in the first episode, can't wait for more!

thought it started a little slow but over all I'd give it 4 out of 5 stars... Not bad for a pilot... I really liked blacklist

[Spider-Man]

No comments about Agents of Shield yet?

Well I for one quite enjoyed it. The plot was decent and the action was good. They really set up a lot of mystery and intrigue in the first episode, can't wait for more!

I'm right there with you! I'm all in to find out what really went on with Coulson! Is he a life model decoy? I don't know, but they got me interested! The other thing I want to know is if the mysterious "group" they keep talking about who supplied the super serum is actually A.I.M.! I think that would be awesome to have a S.H.I.E.L.D. vs A.I.M. kind of show. Of course A.I.M. would have to be in full beehive suits though

[Marvelfan120]

I'm right there with you! I'm all in to find out what really went on with Coulson! Is he a life model decoy? I don't know, but they got me interested! The other thing I want to know is if the mysterious "group" they keep talking about who supplied the super serum is actually A.I.M.! I think that would be awesome to have a S.H.I.E.L.D. vs A.I.M. kind of show. Of course A.I.M. would have to be in full beehive suits though

AIM would be cool... As for Coulson, I hope they make it more interesting than a LMD but that is what I expect... Anyone else have another guess?

[The Legonater]

No comments about Agents of Shield yet?

Well I for one quite enjoyed it. The plot was decent and the action was good. They really set up a lot of mystery and intrigue in the first episode, can't wait for more!

I thought it was pretty good. Not quite anything special, but with Whedon at the helm it's bound to improve.

[Dr Leg O Brick]

Talking of agents of SHEILD, was the guy featured meant to be Luke Cage? And on the subject of Coulson, I think they're using that Chitari piece of tech from the opening to somehow project his mind from his dead body, in suspended animation of course, into the LMD to make him actually believe he is Coulson. Any which way, its going to make a good plot line in the future methinks...

[Vindicare]

I'm right there with you! I'm all in to find out what really went on with Coulson! Is he a life model decoy? I don't know, but they got me interested! The other thing I want to know is if the mysterious "group" they keep talking about who supplied the super serum is actually A.I.M.! I think that would be awesome to have a S.H.I.E.L.D. vs A.I.M. kind of show. Of course A.I.M. would have to be in full beehive suits though

I think so. Considering he had Extremis in him, and they used it on multiple people, it makes sense.

Talking of agents of SHEILD, was the guy featured meant to be Luke Cage? And on the subject of Coulson, I think they're using that Chitari piece of tech from the opening to somehow project his mind from his dead body, in suspended animation of course, into the LMD to make him actually believe he is Coulson. Any which way, its going to make a good plot line in the future methinks...

You answered your own question when you asked it. The guys name in the show is Mike Peterson, not Luke Cage. They're basically the same, not so sure about the impervious skin though...since he shielded his face. But, maybe he just hasn't figured that part out yet. Wonder how impervious skin would react when the Extremis virus decides to go nuclear...

[Tanma]

Nope, like most of the cast Mike was an original character, not Luke Cage.

I want to gauge some things before I make a decision on Agents of SHIELD, but it wasn't bad. I liked the references to the movies, and I do kind of like the nature of the Centipede. But despite that I am not sure someone would just blend together all known power sources so lazily. And some parts of Skye's character don't make sense. But I am a big MCU fan, and I am definitely interested enough to continue watching.

By the way, anyone else guessed the plot twist about Lola?

[Marvelfan120]

Nope, like most of the cast Mike was an original character, not Luke Cage.

I want to gauge some things before I make a decision on Agents of SHIELD, but it wasn't bad. I liked the references to the movies, and I do kind of like the nature of the Centipede. But despite that I am not sure someone would just blend together all known power sources so lazily. And some parts of Skye's character don't make sense. But I am a big MCU fan, and I am definitely interested enough to continue watching.

By the way, anyone else guessed the plot twist about Lola?

we need a lot more on Skye before she makes sense... She lived in a van and hacked SHIELD??? Is she super herself in some way? She said she had erased identities before and SHIELD had nothing on her so we must assume she erased her own identity... why?

[Masked Builder]

I'm right there with you! I'm all in to find out what really went on with Coulson! Is he a life model decoy? I don't know, but they got me interested!

That was the first thing that occurred to me too.

By the way, anyone else guessed the plot twist about Lola?

No, but it didn't surprise me.

[Mr Man]

Finally watched it on catch up (after watching the new HOMYM, TBBT, Orphan Black, The crazy Ones, how many programmes start at the same time .) Its just great to see J August Richards again, plus a drinking game whenever you saw any Jossverse actors.

As for the story the whole centipede stuff was a strange medley of lots of (what should be) incompatible tec. Also wasn't combining the SSS and gamma radiation what created the Hulk? Why does AIM want that, not very covert I'd have thought.

[Tanma]

Well to be fair since I believe the pilot takes place after Iron Man 3, if Extremist is known, then AIM being evil isn't exactly a secret any more. Their facilities might be being closed down, even if they try to separate themselves from Killian. So they might be getting desperate for some sort of protection, and the Centipede's features just reek of someone desperately trying to create a superhuman. So at that point being overt might no longer be the greatest priority.

Does that make any sense?

[Mr Man]

So at that point being overt might no longer be the greatest priority.

It just seems like potential green rage monsters or abominations, and explody fire people, seem to be the best way to draw SHEILDs attention and get them shut down immediately, it's hard to get super soldiers made when locked up.

[Tanma]

Far enough, but do we know how much AIM knows about gamma mutation? Most people in the MCU know the Hulk from the battle of New York, where he helped defend the world and saved Iron Man's life. They might not know just how out of control the Hulk can be. They might think he is like a feral dog, vicious and wild, but it can be tamed. They didn't exactly experiment on valuable members of their group either, regardless of if it is AIM.

I do admit that is me just playing devil's advocate, and your argument makes more sense. However Extremist can be just as overt as the Hulk, given its massive explosions, and no one figured it out till Iron Man 3. And even the Hulk existed just in rumors and gossip for a while until he was exposed. So it could work.

[Dr Leg O Brick]

Thanks. It was just with the somewhat indestructible skin, and the fact that the he was wiped from all government data bases, I thought he might come back later as Luke Cage. I really enjoyed it, I've got to say. I'd love to see the plane done as a £100 Lego set after the great job they done on the Quinjet.

[Vindicare]

Thanks. It was just with the somewhat indestructible skin, and the fact that the he was wiped from all government data bases, I thought he might come back later as Luke Cage. I really enjoyed it, I've got to say. I'd love to see the plane done as a £100 Lego set after the great job they done on the Quinjet.

Hmm... I suppose they could spin it that way, although Powerman doesn't have the Extremis virus. Interesting thought though. While unlikely, I'd like to see some Avengers cameos.

[Faefrost]

Far enough, but do we know how much AIM knows about gamma mutation? Most people in the MCU know the Hulk from the battle of New York, where he helped defend the world and saved Iron Man's life. They might not know just how out of control the Hulk can be. They might think he is like a feral dog, vicious and wild, but it can be tamed. They didn't exactly experiment on valuable members of their group either, regardless of if it is AIM.

I do admit that is me just playing devil's advocate, and your argument makes more sense. However Extremist can be just as overt as the Hulk, given its massive explosions, and no one figured it out till Iron Man 3. And even the Hulk existed just in rumors and gossip for a while until he was exposed. So it could work.

"The last time I was in New York... I broke Harlem"

[Tanma]

"The last time I was in New York... I broke Harlem"

I was referring to how he wasn't known until the fight at the college where if memory serves a student filmed him. The origin story the Incredible Hulk film used was short but that didn't mean no time passed between the experiment and the main events of the film.

[kermit]

The incredible hulk movie was considered a reboot of the first one and the first one wasnt considered part of the marvel universe. That is why any references made by the hulk in the avengers only referred to the second hulk movie.

[Tanma]

I know that, I was referring to the 2008 film, called the Incredible Hulk. The Hulk's creation is only shown briefly during that film, most of it takes place starting five months (158 days) after his accident. Five months later is when he first is in the bottle factory, still relatively unknown.. He is first observed in his fight with the military at the college, before then he was only known to the public in rumor. It took a minimum of five months for the Hulk to be discovered by general public, the military knew about him because they sponsored his project. That is what I mean.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Tanma

[Faefrost]

I know that, I was referring to the 2008 film, called the Incredible Hulk. The Hulk's creation is only shown briefly during that film, most of it takes place starting five months (158 days) after his accident. Five months later is when he first is in the bottle factory, still relatively unknown.. He is first observed in his fight with the military at the college, before then he was only known to the public in rumor. It took a minimum of five months for the Hulk to be discovered by general public, the military knew about him because they sponsored his project. That is what I mean.

Actually I thought that the movie begins several years after the accident. The 158 days referred to the last time Banner had Hulked out. Which may have been out in the Canadian wilderness somewhere etc (and boy would I love to see that scene on film.) The origin and much of the backstory of the MCU Incredible Hulk was pretty much taken as given to be similar to the old Incredible Hulk TV series from the 70's. They just subtly implied that it was that origin, that the broadest swath of the public already knew. (Yay! No gamma poodles!) where Banner had been a wandering homeless nomad for a few years. and honestly that approach to origin worked really well in that case. Probably an important lesson there for movie makers. The public does not need to be re taught the origins of Some of the more mainstream superheroes every few years. We don't need to waste half the movie on Spider-Man, Batman or Superman's origin. Granted there are some exceptions. Iron Man's backstory was less well known, and part of the joy of the character is watching him build and create and invent. So that worked well. I'm not sure that we needed quite as much origin as we got in Captain America. Really all we need to know is that he is a Super Soldier, and the nicest most honorable guy alive. The rest can be taken as a given. Wheedon really nailed that concept of assuming the audience could keep up and giving them just enough in the Avengers, so I am hopeful it continues going forward.

[Tanma]

Ah, thank you for correcting me. I wasn't sure if the 158 referred to the last accident or the creation of the Hulk, it has been a while since I saw the movie. Still, what I was arguing was that the bulk of the public in universe didn't really know about the Hulk until he fought at the college, where I believe he was filmed and nicknamed the Hulk. Before that the in universe public didn't really know about the Hulk, which is what I am arguing. That for a long time the Hulk was able to remain unknown to the general public.

[kermit]

Actually i think it was important to give a history or how captain america came to be. Because of captain america`s moral code and willingness to stand up against all odds the movie`s origin and the way they handled it helps to strengthened the character. Furthermore I am sure if you were to ask a little kid who captain america is before the movie was made I am sure they would say that they dont know. Captain america was created a long time ago and he was quite popular in the 80`s with the tv series on sci-fi, but in the 2000`s he wanst popular or well known as appose to batman and the x-men (due to wolverine). So it was important to have that in dept origin story, plus most of the stuff in his movie ultimately led into the avengers movie so it was needed to bring everything, all four characters together and make sense.

[Mr Man]

Actually i think it was important to give a history or how captain america came to be. Because of captain america`s moral code and willingness to stand up against all odds the movie`s origin and the way they handled it helps to strengthened the character. Furthermore I am sure if you were to ask a little kid who captain america is before the movie was made I am sure they would say that they dont know. Captain america was created a long time ago and he was quite popular in the 80`s with the tv series on sci-fi, but in the 2000`s he wanst popular or well known as appose to batman and the x-men (due to wolverine). So it was important to have that in dept origin story, plus most of the stuff in his movie ultimately led into the avengers movie so it was needed to bring everything, all four characters together and make sense.

Well, unless you had seen Captain America 1990, or the 1979 and Death Too Soon films . God they were awful, I think I preferred the 1994 Fantastic Four film to them .