Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Mr Man]

Why is Falcon (I believe he is named) wearing that getup rather than one of Starks armours, even if they couldn't use any of his, SHEILD should have been able to study the War Machine and Iron Patriot armours. Repulsers would be a lot more handy than wings.

[Ultron]

Why is Falcon (I believe he is named) wearing that getup rather than one of Starks armours, even if they couldn't use any of his, SHEILD should have been able to study the War Machine and Iron Patriot armours. Repulsers would be a lot more handy than wings.

Because that would be dumb. If he had a suit he wouldn't be falcon, he would be some guy in an iron man suit. Cinematically, Marvel will probably never put another hero in an ironman suit other than tony stark and rhodey (Well at least while the two of them are still alive and/or still active heroes. I could maybe see the suit being passed on). If they gave a suit to falcon then they would have to give suits to everyone in the marvel universe and then they wouldn't have separate identities any more, they would all just be iron men. Plus I believe Falcon has some sort of special connection with birds (don't know if they're keeping that for the movie) so he would most likely prefer to use wings so he doesn't feel confined by a suit. (Just a guess). And even if shield had the armors, they probably couldn't replicate a decent iron man suit, at least as well as tony could.

Edited October 25, 2013 by Luna Lovegood

[Tanma]

Another fact to consider is we don't know what state the SHIELD Repulser technology is. They might not have the technology to build lightweight and portable versions, like how at the start of Iron Man 1 Stark International had a massive Arc Reactor already, but they hadn't been able to build a smaller model. Remember that Tony doesn't trust SHIELD, as seen in Avengers, and he quit being an Arms Dealers in Iron Man one. I don't think he gave them the technology, I think they stole it. So they might not have the capabilities to build a smaller version.

Likewise in the companion movie comics it is revealed that Rhodey could have died from wearing the Mach 2. It was designed solely to interface with Tony, any one else could be dangerous. That is why in that comic he build Rhodey a second War Machine that was designed for him. That was the model that became Iron Patriot. I know Pepper and Extremist guy both used armor in Iron Man 3, but since he could regenerate and was using technology AIM modified, and Pepper was using a more flexible armor, I think they are exceptions. SHIELD might not have the ability to build a suit for Sam, because the information they have is lacking.

Or it could be a pothole. But honestly I like seeing another form of flight that hopefully Stark didn't design, and Falcon won't be the same without his wings.

[Vindicare]

OK, not really that impressed.

#1, Why is Black Widow in this so much, and why is she trying to hook Cap up with a girl?

#2, Why is Caps shield now color-less, and why is he out of uniform so much?

#3, Are we supposed to like Shield, or hate it?

#4, Why the generic rock music? Could they not find anything better?

Well, she is an Avenger and Agent.

His shield isn't colorless except for the end when the flash the release date, and it still has bits of color n it. Looks to me like they're portraying a tough road ahead for Cap. As for uniform, it looks more like S.H.I.E.L.D agent and less Captain to me(when he's talking to Redford as well as other times). That's probably what helps propel him to what (movie wise) may take place if the Civil War story makes it to the big screen.

And, I wouldn't call Falcon a minor character. Action wise, he's very prominent and right beside the movie Avengers. In the Now! Avengers comics he's around quite a bit, as well as in the A vs/+ X series. I don't really care for how they made Falcons uniform though, at least give him the red wings...instead of what appears to be mechanical metal ones.

Also, the fact SHIELD seems to be using repulsor tech, along with the whole theme of this movie, seems to confirm the speculations that Phase 2 of the MCU is playing into the Civil War storyline. It would make sense for Tony to start working with SHIELD in this case.

I noticed that as well. I'd love for that storyline to happen, that was an awesome series, one of the best I've read.

[Faefrost]

OK, not really that impressed.

#1, Why is Black Widow in this so much, and why is she trying to hook Cap up with a girl?

#2, Why is Caps shield now color-less, and why is he out of uniform so much?

#3, Are we supposed to like Shield, or hate it?

#4, Why the generic rock music? Could they not find anything better?

And now spoilers

1. Black Widow is in it because She is part of the Winter Soldier story. It will make sense. Just trust the comic geeks on this one.

2. No idea on the shield color. But with the uniform thing they seem to be going for more of a Bourne or Steranko's a SHIELD look and feel. The above linked uniform is actually more akin to the uniform worn by Cap in the comics as the Director of SHIELD. The various outfit changes also seem to indicate they are playing a bit with Cap's wartime role as a Commando and infiltration team leader. Which once again plays into the Winter Soldier story.

3. Yes. SHIELD and Nick Fury based stories are always playing around in that fine grey line between security and liberty. See last weeks episode of Agents of SHIELD with its NSA vs Wikileaks contrasts.

4. Cheap to license for a trailer and final music is not yet completed?

[SteampunkDoc]

Ah, this is what I get for not knowing the comics story.

OK, I feel a bit better about some elements, but am still at least a little wary.

Never cared for what I heard about 'Civil War', but if anything can change that, it would be the movies.

That being said, I still don't like the music. You can get much better.

I know I'm entitled to my own opinion on most of this, I'm just sorry for it being so uninformed and rash. My mistake.

On a positive note, I am loving every bit of Thor 2 I see, so I'll just keep my eyes on that for now.

[Tanma]

Yeah, Civil War sounds good as a concept, but it wasn't really executed well. I still hear it described as "The worst Stony fan fiction ever."

The thing is, they can't go the same route they did in the comics even if they want to. They don't have the rights to Spider-Man or the Fantastic Four, both of which were major players in the conflict. And although I don't always understand subtleties, I am pretty sure Tony will not be for registration. I don't see him as the type to want to be regulated and controlled. And if the Winter Soldier trailer is anything to go by, Cap won't approve of restriction either, at least if it goes too far. So the layout of the ides ould be very different.

[Faefrost]

The Civil War story arc was mostly awful. A great concept that actually raised real world logical consequences of Super Heroes, just poorly executed, as pretty much all massive crossover events are. The only high point of it was Ed Brubakers Death of Captain America storyline. (Now if you ever want to read the Civil War story concept done right dig up Mark Gruenwald's phenomenal 12 issue Squadron Supreme miniseries from the 80's.)

Now while Civil War was mostly awful, much of the follow up to it and the Secret Invasion garbage was some of the most compelling stuff Marvel ever put out. Stuff that bled over into the movies. Norman Osborne's Dark Avengers. The Iron Patriot. Steve Rogers "Super Soldier" uniform. Much of the modern take on Iron Man and Pepper Potts. Etc. good stuff all around. (At least until the next idiotic crossover event).

Edited October 26, 2013 by Faefrost

[Vindicare]

2. No idea on the shield color. But with the uniform thing they seem to be going for more of a Bourne or Steranko's a SHIELD look and feel. The above linked uniform is actually more akin to the uniform worn by Cap in the comics as the Director of SHIELD. The various outfit changes also seem to indicate they are playing a bit with Cap's wartime role as a Commando and infiltration team leader. Which once again plays into the Winter Soldier story.

It just clicked when I read this. I knew I've seen that uniform before. Fury wears a similiar uniform in the Marvel Now! Wolverine series. He's on the cover of #3.

[The Legonater]

I was really hoping they'd delve into Civil War, but I was expecting it to wait until they buy back a few major licences, and for it to be more than a movie or two long. That said, they may just be planting the seeds at this point.

[Tanma]

Agreed, I would like to see civil war one right, I just am worried that it will go wrong.

One thing to consider is that they can't make it about secret identities. SHIELD already knows who everyone is, at least everyone we have met. But Registration doesn't necessarily need to focus on that component.

Now if they do do Civil War, does anyone have an idea of who would be on what side?

[Leo604]

One thing to consider is that they can't make it about secret identities. SHIELD already knows who everyone is, at least everyone we have met. But Registration doesn't necessarily need to focus on that component.

I know little to nothing about the details of Civil War in the comics, but maybe there would be a law imposing tracking devices in all superheroes so SHIELD could keep a real-time track on where they are?

Now if they do do Civil War, does anyone have an idea of who would be on what side?

'What is right' (Captain America, Hulk, Thor, Falcon) vs. 'Ends justify the means' (Stark, most if not all of SHIELD,); again, not a big comics guy so my reasoning might be wrong.

[The Brigante]

I remember reading somewhere that out of the guys we know already, Hawkeye would most likely take Stark's place on the opposite side to Cap. Makes sense right now, what with Clint being a SHIELD agent. As for where Stark would go, I have no idea, would most likely depend on the cause of the conflict.

[Tanma]

See I don't see Tony signing up with SHIELD, because I don't think he woud want to be controlled. I see him as someone who likes being free to do whatever he wants, and SHIELD would be against that. But I don't know what long terms affects Iron Man 3 would have, so I am not sure.

I do think Rhodey would work on SHIELD's side, since he works for the US military and though they aren't directly linked, they are attached to each other. Likewise I see Hawkeye and Black Widow with SHIELD. Falcon is hard to place, since thee are two main versions of him in the comics. Captain America's long time friend who was given his suit, and SHIELD agent who built himself a flight suit. They seem to be going with latter or a mix, so I don't know where he goes.

[Leo604]

Yay, DOFP trailer:

[Im a brickmaster.]

Wow! I don't know hardly know anything about DOFP, all I do know is that it envolves time travel and alternate realities. Therefore I can't say if the trailer looks promising or not.

[Leo604]

I'd say the thing that appeals to me most already is seeing the difference between McAvoy Charles and Stewart Charles; that one line 'I don't want your future!' sort of sums the past-future contrast, in my opinion.

Also young Erik, because his development into or similar to what we've seen in the original trilogy will probably be another major plot line.

[Marvelfan120]

DOFP trailer looks freaking awesome!

[Mr Breden]

That trailer was great , i'm dissapointed they didn't show any sentinels though

[Mr Man]

Yay, DOFP trailer:

I want to see this more than any of the MCU stuff.

[Sam892]

I'm getting bored of the current X-men films. While the trailer looks ok I just wish they would reboot them from scratch. Most of the x- men characters have been butchered ( Gambit, Sabretooth, Deadpool, Blob, juggernaut, pyslocke and the countless others. ) and I'm bored of it being wolverine and friends. Singer is a terrible director and I'm tired of him ruining some of my favourite characters and the sentinels.

On another note did anyone else see the leaked info on the Mandarin one shot?

[Marvelfan120]

I'm getting bored of the current X-men films. While the trailer looks ok I just wish they would reboot them from scratch. Most of the x- men characters have been butchered ( Gambit, Sabretooth, Deadpool, Blob, juggernaut, pyslocke and the countless others. ) and I'm bored of it being wolverine and friends. Singer is a terrible director and I'm tired of him ruining some of my favourite characters and the sentinels.

On another note did anyone else see the leaked info on the Mandarin one shot?

yes i was about to post a link

http://latino-review.com/2013/10/exclusive-ben-kingsleys-secret-marvel-project-revealed/

Sounds great!

and a mildly amusing link to Agents of SHIELD declassified

http://abc.go.com/sh...ld/declassified

Edited October 29, 2013 by Marvelfan120

[Sam892]

yes i was about to post a link

http://latino-review.com/2013/10/exclusive-ben-kingsleys-secret-marvel-project-revealed/

Sounds great!

and a mildly amusing link to Agents of SHIELD declassified

http://abc.go.com/sh...ld/declassified

It's got me interested I wasn't a fan of Killian being the main villain ( and also basically being the MCU version of Norman Osbourne ).

[Leo604]

I want to see this more than any of the MCU stuff.

If I had to rank the upcoming films up to 2015 it'd go:

Avengers 2

Winter Soldier

DOFP

Thor 2

Ant-Man; only ranking this low because I literally know nothing about him.

I'm getting bored of the current X-men films. While the trailer looks ok I just wish they would reboot them from scratch. Most of the x- men characters have been butchered ( Gambit, Sabretooth, Deadpool, Blob, juggernaut, pyslocke and the countless others. ) and I'm bored of it being wolverine and friends. Singer is a terrible director and I'm tired of him ruining some of my favourite characters and the sentinels.

Wouldn't it be better to blame Gavin Hood and Brett Ratner for said character butcherings? Singer's made what I think have been the better movies in the franchise.

[Clone OPatra]

Wouldn't it be better to blame Gavin Hood and Brett Ratner for said character butcherings? Singer's made what I think have been the better movies in the franchise.

Gavin Hood didn't have very much control over what was going on. He's said that he sometimes got pages the night before he was supposed to shoot them. It's probably not his fault much.

It would be nice to see another X-Men film that didn't center on Wolverine. First Class showed it could be done well (even if the film was a little campy, but that's ok). So it is at least partially Singer's fault that we get another Wolverine-centric movie.

At the same time, The Wolverine was totally great, and Wolverine is cool, so this movie could be very good. It would just be nice to see some non-Wolverine X-Men action.

This trailer honestly didn't do it for me that much - it looked like it was mostly one or two scenes with a few flashes of things cut in. I'm still hyped for the movie, though.