Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Leo604]

Wow...I actually find that surprising. I'd expect at least some special features showing previews of Phase Two or stuff like that.

[Sam892]

Wow...I actually find that surprising. I'd expect at least some special features showing previews of Phase Two or stuff like that.

Nope nothing that wasn't put up on Marvel's YouTube account before the film was released. The only new thing is the Marvel one shot item 47.

[Mr Man]

and they changed one of the scenes as well.

What!

[def]

What!

They changed a single image from the theatrical version, and it hardly makes a difference. When Coulson dies, the blade is no longer seen coming out his chest. That's it. It's not known if it is for British censors, or to make Coulson's inevitable return from the grave more plausible. It's not worth boycotting the DVD over

[ReZourceman]

Yep, they CGI'd out the blade from the scene where the blade goes through some one or thing (to avoid spoilers).

I got the 3D version and was hoping it was still in there. It wasn't. Gonna import too, but wait a bit to see if there is ever a super epic edition.

[Leo604]

That seems like a kind of redundant move, since Fury has this conversation after with everyone with the bloody Captain America cards at all.

Now it's gonna look cheap if he does come back. :/

[Masked Builder]

They changed a single image from the theatrical version, and it hardly makes a difference. When Coulson dies, the blade is no longer seen coming out his chest. That's it. It's not known if it is for British censors, or to make Coulson's inevitable return from the grave more plausible. It's not worth boycotting the DVD over

That's stupid, why'd they do that? I hope they don't bring him back, those sort of story lines bug me.

[def]

(to avoid spoilers).

It's the #3 movie of all time, and this is a thread dedicated to the movie and its like. I'm pretty sure everyone who wants to see it has seen it

In other news, Kevin Feige has nudged a possible direction for a Hulk movie after Avengers 2, if it were to be done:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/58505

Marvel movie chief Kevin Feige tells MTV that the studio is looking at some of the more popular print Hulk adventures, and not necessarily just the ones Stan Lee penned.

When asked by MTV if Planet Hulk is on the table, Feige replied, "Planet Hulk is a cool story. World War Hulk is a cool story."

Thing is, there really aren't that many popular Hulk print stories. I really liked the Peter David era, which had mean grey Hulk, and smart Bruce Banner Hulk, but I can't imagine a movie with anything other than big dumb Hulk, so Planet Hulk is the best choice... I'd watch it

That's stupid, why'd they do that? I hope they don't bring him back, those sort of story lines bug me.

Check this out for info. It's not a big deal at all, just an image is altered.

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2012/09/17/why-did-marvel-alter-pivotal-scene-for-avengers-u-k-dvd-release/

I do dig Coulson as the Vision. I would love to see the Vision in a film. For me, he is the heart of the Avengers.

[Sam892]

They changed a single image from the theatrical version, and it hardly makes a difference. When Coulson dies, the blade is no longer seen coming out his chest. That's it. It's not known if it is for British censors, or to make Coulson's inevitable return from the grave more plausible. It's not worth boycotting the DVD over

It's not just the scene that's the problem. Although Disney have said sorry for changing it and have said that they didn't mean to change the UK version. It was only meant to be altered in one country in Europe ( Can't remember which one) but accidently happen to the UK one aswell. But my main issue Is the lack of care around the UK version when compared to USA and Canada. In The USA the DVD gets lots more features like directors commentary and a full length fearurette. Where as all of the 'special features' the UK get have all been put on Marvel's YouTube account.

All the deleted scenes are up there, which when you really look at it your really only paying for 2 things that haven't been released on Marvel's YouTube. The film and the one shot, which is really not worth £16.99 which in dollars is $27.57. Which is just a rip off, it's a disgrace when you consider that it's the third highest grossing film ever. The product on a whole just looks rushed, which is such a shame since its one of my favourite movies. I'm also not the only one who feels like this at the time of writing the majority of reviews on Amazon.co.uk are all one star (137). To me it really does seem like a kick in the teeth.

[def]

It's not just the scene that's the problem. Although Disney have said sorry for changing it and have said that they didn't mean to change the UK version. It was only meant to be altered in one country in Europe ( Can't remember which one) but accidently happen to the UK one aswell. But my main issue Is the lack of care around the UK version when compared to USA and Canada. In The USA the DVD gets lots more features like directors commentary and a full length fearurette. Where as all of the 'special features' the UK get have all been put on Marvel's YouTube account.

All the deleted scenes are up there, which when you really look at it your really only paying for 2 things that haven't been released on Marvel's YouTube. The film and the one shot, which is really not worth £16.99 which in dollars is $27.57. Which is just a rip off, it's a disgrace when you consider that it's the third highest grossing film ever. The product on a whole just looks rushed, which is such a shame since its one of my favourite movies. I'm also not the only one who feels like this at the time of writing the majority of reviews on Amazon.co.uk are all one star (137). To me it really does seem like a kick in the teeth.

I think you're writing that as a fanboy, and I imagine a majority if the 137 reviews on Amazon are also written by fanboys... which is totally fine, but it needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The average person is fine with a stripped down version of the movie. Most people don't care about the commentary tracks. The people who do care about them write reviews for Amazon, often before the film is released. Anyway, it's been a common practice for some movies with diehard fans to offer the stripped down movie first, then a few months later, offer a deluxe edition. The Lord of the Rings was the first I remember doing this, managing a deluxe edition in time for Christmas. It's called double-dipping.

For you, I would recommend just holding out, and waiting for the deluxe edition to come out in the UK as it inevitably will. If you really need to watch it now, download it or something, with a personal promise to buy it later. Really, it's going to be 10 pounds a year from now, in the bargain bin at whatever store Brits buy DVDs at. The movie studio is counting on you needing it now, buying it, and hoping to get you to pay more for the deluxe one when it comes out later. Don't get suckered

[Bilbo Baggins]

I really hope Coulson isn't revived, he was killed for a reason so it should stay dead

[def]

I really hope Coulson isn't revived, he was killed for a reason so it should stay dead

He was just introduced as a character in comics continuity, plus, I think he's in the Spider-Man cartoon, so I think they'll have to bring him back...Google LMD... It's how Nick Fury always comes back to life

[Masked Builder]

Odd, never heard of the Vision, it looks a bit odd without it in the image if you ask me.

[Sam892]

He was just introduced as a character in comics continuity, plus, I think he's in the Spider-Man cartoon, so I think they'll have to bring him back...Google LMD... It's how Nick Fury always comes back to life

Ye since his appearance in Ironman he's exploded as a fan favourite. He's an under cover agent posing as Peter Parker's high school principle in Ultimate Spider-man. I understand why he died but I wish he hadn't been killed of so soon into the cinematic universe. That said I don't mind him being revived as long as its not done stupidly. I would love for them to keep him dead until the second Avengers film. Then have a couple if Avengers die and then have someone take the infinity Gaunlet and make it so that everyone who was involved or in the Avengers be revived. Thus bringing back agent Coulson. Not sure about him becoming Vision however seems a bit unlikely and I wouldn't want he to become anything other than what he was previously. As an agent he had a certain charm and wit about him.

[Sam892]

He was just introduced as a character in comics continuity, plus, I think he's in the Spider-Man cartoon, so I think they'll have to bring him back...Google LMD... It's how Nick Fury always comes back to life

Ye since his appearance in Ironman he's exploded as a fan favourite. He's an under cover agent posing as Peter Parker's high school principle in Ultimate Spider-man. I understand why he died but I wish he hadn't been killed of so soon into the cinematic universe. That said I don't mind him being revived as long as its not done stupidly. I would love for them to keep him dead until the second Avengers film. Then have a couple if Avengers die and then have someone take the infinity Gaunlet and make it so that everyone who was involved or in the Avengers be revived. Thus bringing back agent Coulson. Not sure about him becoming Vision however seems a bit unlikely and I wouldn't want he to become anything other than what he was previously. As an agent he had a certain charm and wit about him.

[def]

Odd, never heard of the Vision, it looks a bit odd without it in the image if you ask me.

If you only know the Avengers from the movie and cartoon show, you wouldn't. To be fair, the Avengers have only been a public team for a few years now. Up until then, they were for the comics only. Captain America, Thor and Iron Man had somewhat of a life in public culture, but the team didn't. Hawkeye is the same way, pretty much just known for being an Avenger, and only publicly popular in the last few years.

But here's the thing with the Vision: he exists almost 100% as a by-product of Avengers stories, and has almost never worked solo. The Vision's origin is that founding Avenger, Hank Pym (Giant Man/Ant Man) created a killer robot that loves him, Ultron. Ultron 5 or so (I forget which version) created an android using the body of the original Human Torch (an android from the 1930's, briefly seen at the Stark fair in the Captain America movie, and in comics fought with Cap in WWII). That android was then programmed with the brain waves of Wonderman, another Avenger who had died. This android was the Vision. The Vision tried to kill the Avengers and ended up becoming one. It's batshit crazy stuff, and some of it would make for an awesome part of a movie. And the stuff about Coulson becoming the Vision is purely a rumour, but it would be pretty cool, and jive with the original stories.

Plus, the Vision had one of the most iconic covers and stories in all of comics

This is the cover, which has been ripped off countless times.

This is the story, which became prime pulp inspiration in the 60's

He is as awesome a character as those two pics suggest

[Bilbo Baggins]

But who owns the rights to Vision, Disney or Sony?

[Spider-Man]

Agreed Vision is a great character! He has been on my LEGO wish list for a while now Can't find a good way to make a good purist version of him for the life of me!

As for his rights, I am sure they still belong to Disney. There is really no reason Sony would have his license seeing as he is, as beautifully described by def, pretty much solely an Avenger's character.

[def]

But who owns the rights to Vision, Disney or Sony?

Disney owns the right to all Marvel characters unless otherwise specified. Sony has rights to Spider-Man and his cast of characters (so no Osborne in a Disney Marvel film for now) and Fox owns all the characters from Fantastic Four, and all mutants, which is a conflict of sorts since Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver can't be Avengers for now.

As far as I know, those are the only licenses that Marvel and Disney can't play with, for the movies.

The Avengers have a pretty interesting history, so there is a lot to explore, and a massive roster.

The question for me is why they chose Thanos for the sequel rather than the Kree-Skrull war

as beautifully described by def

Thanks

[XimenaPaulina]

The question for me is why they chose Thanos for the sequel rather than the Kree-Skrull war

Isn't it because Fox still owns the Skrull mutant race by virtue of the Fantastic Four license? And that is why Marvel had to invent the Chitauri as replacement to the Skrull for the Avengers movie?

Though if we're going by the same reasoning then a Thanos conflict for the Avengers sequel would feel 'incomplete' without having another FF (supporting) character, the Silver Surfer, who is one of the cosmic heroes (along with Adam Warlock) who could significantly help the Avengers defeat Thanos. (The Avengers would need any help they could get to stop an Infinity-Gauntlet-armed Thanos!). I hope by the time the sequel comes Marvel would've gotten back all its characters from Fox (F4, X-Men, SS, DD).

I agree that the Avengers storyline have tons of great material, and I also do hope to see a Kree-Skrull conflict (with the intro of Captain Marvel/Mar-Vell to the team) and a Civil War story arc for subsequent Avengers movies. (even if it's thinking waaaay too ahead )

[def]

Isn't it because Fox still owns the Skrull mutant race by virtue of the Fantastic Four license? And that is why Marvel had to invent the Chitauri as replacement to the Skrull for the Avengers movie?

It could be, but the Chitauri were called the Skrulls in the Ultimates book: they are Ultimate universe Skrulls. So, in the Ultimate universe, the skrulls are Avengers enemies. I recall reading a long time ago that the Super-skrull was tied to the FF license, so it would make sense if they all officially were. It would be a bizarre case to bring to court, regardless.

(I was thinking the Skrulls first appeared in Avengers, but Wikipedia tells me it was Fantastic Four. How did they defeat them? They tricked the skrulls into thinking they were cows. I love it!)

Though if we're going by the same reasoning then a Thanos conflict for the Avengers sequel would feel 'incomplete' without having another FF (supporting) character, the Silver Surfer, who is one of the cosmic heroes (along with Adam Warlock) who could significantly help the Avengers defeat Thanos. (The Avengers would need any help they could get to stop an Infinity-Gauntlet-armed Thanos!). I hope by the time the sequel comes Marvel would've gotten back all its characters from Fox (F4, X-Men, SS, DD).

I agree that the Avengers storyline have tons of great material, and I also do hope to see a Kree-Skrull (with the intro of Mr. Marvel to the team) and a Civil War story arc for for subsequent Avengers movies. (even if it's thinking waaaay too ahead )

Marvel definitely won't get their characters back, except Daredevil, who they weren't able to rush into production in time. The horror stories about Fox are maddening. The company president, Rothman (who was possibly fired this week, but definitely is finished there) basically has no respect for all these properties, thinking they are moronic, and the two good movies Fox has made (X-Men 2 and X-Men First Class) were by accident. X-Men one made lots of money, so they threw more money at number two. Brian Singer genuinely cared about the property and made a solid movie. Then they said 'megabluck it' and made crap movies for #3 and Wolverine, under the assumption that Americans have no taste (both those movies made heaps of cash, more than the first two ). Public reception was pretty negative though, and there was a chance they'd given up on the franchise. Then after Marvel started making even more cash, they rushed First Class into production in order to not lose the license , and the reason that turned out so well was that the time restraints meant the studios couldn't go into rewrites in order the make the movie more 'accessible'. As for Fantastic Four, the same philosophy held true: they believed Americans would pay to see any super-hero, and they made two of them that both sucked.

It really wasn't until Marvel started out-performing them by being more true to the comics and not watering down their properties that Fox decided to maybe not suck so bad.

X-Men Days of Future Past is in production, and the director of Chronicle is making the new Fantastic Four, so fingers crossed that the studio has learned that making shit movies doesn't pay off in the long run. But regardless of the quality of the movies, Fox will own them for another five years. With Avengers being so fricking massive, I doubt any company will let go of any rights they have, possibly forever, or until there is no interest in Marvel, which may as well be the same thing

I'm sure you know lots of this stuff, so I guess I'm just recapping it for myself

[Masked Builder]

Thanks for the description Def. I've really only done Superheroes because of the Avengers movie line, so I know very little. It does sound like a good story though.

[______]

I admit I hadn't heard of the Vision because I am one of those guys who says he is a Marvel fan yet has hardly read the comics. But he looks awesome! Would love to see him as a minifig. Which films could he be possibly be in out of Iron Man 3, Captain America 2 and Thor 2?

[XimenaPaulina]

I'm sure you know lots of this stuff, so I guess I'm just recapping it for myself

Actually, I didn't know about the inside details of the Fox movies, all I know is most of their movies sucked a lot (2 FF movies, X3, DD, Wolverine) and I was really hoping that some way or another Marvel would get all their characters back or at the very least work out some "collaborative effort" with Fox and Sony since I really want to see some cross-overs or guest appearances in the Avengers (Spidey, Logan, FF). Though thanks for the info, I always learn a lot from your comic world knowledge def.

With regards to Vision, of course I'd love to see him in Avengers as he's an integral part of the team in the comics. However, before him I prefer to see three characters make the team before him: Ant-man and Wasp (two founding members in the comics!) and Black Panther.

[Sam892]

Actually, I didn't know about the inside details of the Fox movies, all I know is most of their movies sucked a lot (2 FF movies, X3, DD, Wolverine) and I was really hoping that some way or another Marvel would get all their characters back or at the very least work out some "collaborative effort" with Fox and Sony since I really want to see some cross-overs or guest appearances in the Avengers (Spidey, Logan, FF). Though thanks for the info, I always learn a lot from your comic world knowledge def.

With regards to Vision, of course I'd love to see him in Avengers as he's an integral part of the team in the comics. However, before him I prefer to see three characters make the team before him: Ant-man and Wasp (two founding members in the comics!) and Black Panther.

Marvel and Disney can always buy the licence back. Although I think they will most likely hope that development just breaks down and they get the licence back for free. Marvel don't really need the rights back to use the Character however. They could maybe strike a deal with FOX or Sony to use the character. After all the Avengers is one of the biggest movies ever. It would surprise me if FOX wanted to try and get in on some of that money. I know it's a bit of a lame ending but if the first class X-men do go to the future they may screw something up in time that may cause there universe to merge with the Cinematic one. I know it sounds terrible and shouldn't ever be made but, it would be a nice easy way to get the X-men in the main universe while FOX retain the rights.

I also heard that due to FOX the X-men haven't really been integrated a lot recently with other characters in the Marvel universe. Off course AvX is happening now but they haven't really been suing a lot with Spidey or Avengers.

I think Marvels long term strategy is to get all licences back. Not just for a shared universe but they must be pretty pissed off for some of the crap there characters have been involved in. X3,both FF,DD Wolverine,Electra, Spider-man 3 and ghost rider 1/2. It's pretty damaging to a character when they become lost in a turd of a film.

Edited September 23, 2012 by Sam892