Lego Technic 2h 2013

[Technic Gearhead]

The orange car is some kind of off-road buggy if I remember right. I'll take anything orange!

[Erik Leppen]

Looking at This picture of the new crane with its red 8t gears, it looks like those gears are on axles of length about 16L or maybe 18L. Black 16L axles, those would be new parts as well, right?

[FiFake]

I think, this small orange thing is 42001 Mini Off-Roader,

[S.I]

Looking at This picture of the new crane with its red 8t gears, it looks like those gears are on axles of length about 16L or maybe 18L. Black 16L axles, those would be new parts as well, right?

Nope, 8421 had one, 8285 had two.

[Cwetqo]

Wasnt that 32l?

[Erik Leppen]

The long axles in 8421 and 8285 are 32L. These in 42009 certainly aren't. They look like 16L.

Edited January 31, 2013 by Erik Leppen

[Kumbbl]

Wasnt that 32l?

yep - was 32 not 16 (for 8421)

[Meatman]

Nope, 8421 had one, 8285 had two.

There were no 16L axles in the 8285.

There were white 16L axles in a few sets though.

[davidmull]

Iv asked already maybe no one knows but will the boom on this be any longer than 8421 fully extended?

[redoak]

70 cm long. Don't know the length of 8421's boom.

[Technic Gearhead]

^{I don't care that the crane is big - I'm more interested in the mechanisms that make it work. Technic models get too cumbersome and heavy when they are too large. I think this is about as large as is practical to build.}

Edited January 31, 2013 by Technic Gearhead

[Pauger]

That new gear is pretty interesting... We've never had anything like that before..

True, although the 20 tooth gear worked good for the purpose as well. Too bad there isn't a telescopic axle instead. Would be a dream for MOCing.

[richthelegodude]

Thankyou for the kind of mature responce I would expect of a so called "A"FOL community . Responces to critisisms along the lines of "bigger does not always mean better, it could just mean more expensive" and "it looks like a MOC for valid reasons given" with "you're in the minority (of a few dozen posters that's hardley representative of 100'000s of AFOLs) so go away!" and "oooh no, a critisism, i'll just say it's nonsense without giving any reason and run away!" were.......hilarious, no offence guys .

Unfortunately I have to agree with this. I think it would great if the people that disagree with this, at least give their reasons for doing so.

It looks like another toy model to me I am afraid. I grew up with some truly great technic sets, the Daytona Supercar, Test Car, control centre, Air Tech Claw rig and other sets of that era. All of these sets tried to replicate real life mechanisms in a simple way to educate kids about real life machinery and engineering.

On my return from my dark ages, not only did I notice a dramatic shift in the instructions (i.e. 1 or 2 parts per step) but I also noticed a fundamental shift in what some sets are trying to accomplish. My first set out of my dark ages, was the Power Functions Bulldozer (8275). Although a sizable set, the drive train did not even attempt to mimic real life (one motor per track), and was considerably simplified due to inbuilt reduction present in the motors. The drive train from memory consisted primarily of 16 tooth idler gears to the driving sprockets.

Nice set, but to be honest it is nothing more than a DIY toy, I could purchase such things from Toys R us far cheaper.

When I have kids, I would also hope to encourage them into an engineering profession, as my father did all those years ago purchasing me Lego technic and other similarly related engineering based toys. For example, I do not agree with LAs being used in models replicating construction machinery. Where as the air tech claw rig replicated real life in a crude form with pneumatics, in terms of replicating real life machinery (hydraulics) LA's simply just do not work. How often have you seen prop shafts, UJ's, and LA's externally on a bulldozer/excavator/crane/etc ?

I still love LEGO, but that is my honest opinion as Doctorate level engineer.

[allanp]

Iv asked already maybe no one knows but will the boom on this be any longer than 8421 fully extended?

Too early to tell, but I would say yes.

[Anio]

It looks like another toy model

This is indeed what Lego are ! ^^

[dhc6twinotter]

Those red 8t gears are going to come in handy! I've been wanting a part like that for years. Tons of uses for such a gear....multi-section booms, multi section stabilizers, telescopic boom with functions, gearboxes....awesome part to have! I could definitely use this gear on a bunch of future mocs I have planned.

I was a bit bummed about the mix of pneumatics and LAs in the Service Truck as well, but it's nice to see another set with some small pneumatic cylinders. From a marketing standpoint, I think LEGO made a good decision here. LEGO is designed for kids, and I think this is a fantastic set for a 10 year old who is just getting into Technic. It's a nice mid-range set that includes both the awesomeness of an on board compressor and pneumatic cylinders, plus a complex gearbox with clutch gears, driving rings, and lots of gears. The overall retro look with a green color and 4 wheel steering just looks plain cool. I know a few kids who would go nuts for a set like this.

As an adult who owns lots of LEGO, I would have preferred an all pneumatic Service Truck. However, from a marketing standpoint, I think this is a nearly perfect mid-range set for their target audience (not adults). If the price isn't too high, LEGO is going to sell a ton of these.

Total dream birthday / christmas set for a kid who wants to play and MOC (and might not have the spending money for bricklink). Playability-wise, and for the amount of functions crammed into a small model,

Exactly right.

Edited January 31, 2013 by dhc6twinotter

[redoak]

Too early to tell, but I would say yes.

in the movie he says 70 cm.

[davidmull]

So is 42008 going to be worth nearly €120 mmm ill have too see :)

[Pauger]

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In these says of Playstation and computers, I think TLG have to prioritize playability and appearance if they should be able to compete. The Test Car might have been eye-catching for future engineers in the 80s, but I hardly think many of them had gotten past the store shelves in 2013.I also want to see more pneumatics as they have been very modest with those the last 15 years, but the LAs can be better in some situations. I think the reason everybody hates them, is they have been overused in the "newly-introduced-hype". Hopefully it's coming to an end now.

Regarding the bulldozer: The steering system is simple and efficient, I don't really see why you would want to complicate that.. And it's a megablocking (Edit: f****** gets autoreplaced with megablocking, lol) RC bulldozer made out of lego, how awesome is that when you're 10 years old.

Long story short: Realism comes at a price.

@davidmull: And I thought I was spamming this thread...

Edited January 31, 2013 by Pauger

[Luc2000]

The service truck is amazing, best set of the last 2 years. The crane is just really big. 2602 parts. As said before bigger isn't better at all. Since the 4 functions are at the upper part of the crane, my guess is that the chassis is pretty empty.

Edited January 31, 2013 by Luc2000

[jorgeopesi]

Wow Lego is revolutionizing the world of 8t gears I hope they do the same with all other .

[S.I]

Sorry about that, I somehow mixed up 16 and 32 :(

[andythenorth]

In these says of Playstation and computers, I think TLG have to prioritize playability and appearance if they should be able to compete.

Yeah, yeah, it's a good point...when I was 1/3 the age I am now, we didn't have Amigas and Ataris and Spectrums and NES and SNES and Sega ST and Gameboy and Game Gear. Oh wait. We did

I think the reason everybody hates them

They don't. That's a massive overstatement, with at best poor evidence, or no evidence at all.

Regarding the bulldozer: The steering system is simple and efficient, I don't really see why you would want to complicate that.. And it's a megablocking (Edit: f****** gets autoreplaced with megablocking, lol) RC bulldozer made out of lego, how awesome is that when you're 10 years old.

:thumbup:

Edited January 31, 2013 by andythenorth

[Erik Leppen]

Unfortunately I have to agree with this. I think it would great if the people that disagree with this, at least give their reasons for doing so.

It looks like another toy model to me I am afraid.

World news: a Lego set that looks like a toy model. Revolutionary!

[8275 is a] Nice set, but to be honest it is nothing more than a DIY toy, I could purchase such things from Toys R us far cheaper.

Posts like this say absolutely nothing unless you actually stop buying Lego and start puchasing Toys R Us remote control toy bulldozer models. I say, have fun with them, and have fun discussing their building techniques, parts packs, alternative models and whatnot on remote control toy bulldozer model forums.

I still love LEGO, but that is my honest opinion as Doctorate level engineer.

Plaese, no argument-on-authority fallacies. Your opinion doesn't suddenly become more important if you've enjoyed higher education.

Lego Technic has had some astonishing sets in the past, for sure. But I think they still have absolutely awesome sets in the present (for starters, 8043). They might not teach about pneumatics, but that's really kind of the only lacking point. 8043 still teaches about the movement of an excavator arm and why it's shaped like that, and teaches a lot about gearings and how to create a strong framework that doesn't fall apart when it is played with.

Also, the simple instructions make Lego accessible to a wider audience. As Lego fans, we should applaud that.

Edited January 31, 2013 by Erik Leppen

[Pauger]

Yeah, yeah, it's a good point...when I was 1/3 the age I am now, we didn't have Amigas and Ataris and Spectrums and NES and SNES and Sega ST and Gameboy and Game Gear. Oh wait. We did

Sure, but they weren't so dominant as they are today. Especially in the age segment where technic operates.

They don't. That's a massive overstatement, with at best poor evidence, or no evidence at all.

You're right, I'm not gonna search through all of EB for quotes. Of course it's an overstatement, but they are used for a reason. And the tendancy, from my experience, is clear.

Edited January 31, 2013 by Pauger