Anio Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 This seems lazy, especially having to split one function (outeiggers) two times!necessary. Quote
Zerobricks Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 necessary. Not if they would use a 6 way splitbox Quote
allanp Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Or the method I suggested earlier. It was indeed lazy to not motorise this function on a set that supposedly goes up to 11 Quote
designer-han Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Still interesting to know how TLC mounted the LA's to the boom. Seams that there are 2 different cranes at least shown in all pictures till now. Just compare the mounting of the LA's in http://www.hobbymedia.it/42248/lego-technic-mobile-crane-mk-ii-42009-e-service-truck-42008-toy-fair-2013 See in the last link the 4th picture after the vid. Quote
Zerobricks Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Seems somone made a mistatke when mounting LA's.... I am 100% sure that the half beams with half a stud offset have to be inline with LA's. In other case that would just create too much sideways strain for LA's and unused travel as seen. Quote
Jim Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I'm sorry but the more i see the less impressed i am, it's just nothing special and a disappointing flagship. Funny that you mention this. I am developing the same feeling. The more I see, the less impressed I am. Not sure if I would say disappointing, since I am still very interested in buying this set. But the crane doesn't seem to be much improved since the 8421. So maybe some people here were right after all. I will still get this set to experience the build and functions myself. And for the parts of course Quote
Anio Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Not if they would use a 6 way splitbox And where do you find the room to put such a big gearbox ? Quote
Jim Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 The video from the toy show makes the upper part of the crane look like it is straining the turntable a tad, we probably could have done with a more industrial version I noticed this as well. Quite disappointing for a set of this magnitude. An XL turntable would have come in handy. Useful in other sets too. Quote
Technic Gearhead Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I also noticed that about the mounting cams pointing in different directions in different photos. Quote
allanp Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I suppose some extra support wheel could have also helped. Quote
jorgeopesi Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I suppose some extra support wheel could have also helped. Nice idea but expensive for Lego I suppose. Quote
tmctiger Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I also noticed that about the mounting cams pointing in different directions in different photos. It seems the mounting point is movable. In one picture the boom is lowered and in the other one the boom was raised. So it seems for me, that the mounting point changes with the raising of the boom. Perhaps this also regards to the strange LA setting (pointing down) when the boom is lowered... But still this is an impressive set. I like it and will get it - for sure. I can't understand the people arguing about it. It is Lego, if you don't like it - modify it ;) Quote
Pauger Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) Still interesting to know how TLC mounted the LA's to the boom. Seams that there are 2 different cranes at least shown in all pictures till now. Just compare the mounting of the LA's in http://www.flickr.co...157632677753378 That mounting is sheer pain to watch. What sort of amateur assembled this set? Edited February 4, 2013 by Pauger Quote
jorgeopesi Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 After hours of thinking about it and thanks to the machinery I saw... I used this system with pivot point movable thanks to the links, It is a good way to get more distance and strength with the L.A.s when they are short in proportion, someday could use something similar or longer cylinders . Quote
davidmull Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) Or the method I suggested earlier. It was indeed lazy to not motorise this function on a set that supposedly goes up to 11 Can u explain the "goes up to 11" bit, ? I'm still quiet excited as u can see from my avatar, 42008 i like :) Edited February 4, 2013 by davidmull Quote
andythenorth Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) 8421 Manual slew boom raise boom extend outriggers Motorised: line drum 42009 Motorised boom raise boom extend outriggers line drum Manual: slew Conclusion: 42009 is revolutionarily better, because motorising is always better. Right? Especially when the batteries are dead? Also: 8421: v6 engine 4 axles non-opening doors 42009: v8 engine 5 axles opening doors So by Top Trumps rules, 42009 wins across the board. This one definitely goes to 11. Am I serious? Dunno, haven't got the set yet. Definitely want it though; if the B-model is good, I'll get two. Is it revolutionary? Meh. Not. But people die in revolutions. Over-rated. 8421 is a hard act to follow; short of lasers, what more can really be done? Suspension? Kind of crammed for space to do that well. Longer pneumatic cylinders? Proportional pneumatic valves for better control Yeah, well that will get some auto-replies in this forum, but it ain't didn't happen. Fully RC including travel? Again, space, and weight and cost Unimog sized tyres? Herp, welcome to the £300 technic set, where the crane boom bends under its own weight. Lasers Edited February 4, 2013 by andythenorth Quote
jorgeopesi Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) 8421 Manual slew boom raise boom extend outriggers Motorised: line drum 42009 Motorised boom raise boom extend outriggers line drum Manual: slew Conclusion: 42009 is revolutionarily better, because motorising is always better. Right? Especially when the batteries are dead? Also: 8421: v6 engine 4 axles non-opening doors 42009: v8 engine 5 axles opening doors So by Top Trumps rules, 42009 wins across the board. This one definitely goes to 11. Am I serious? Dunno, haven't got the set yet. Definitely want it though; if the B-model is good, I'll get two. Is it revolutionary? Meh. Not. But people die in revolutions. Over-rated. 8421 is a hard act to follow; short of lasers, what more can really be done? Suspension? Kind of crammed for space to do that well. Longer pneumatic cylinders? Proportional pneumatic valves for better control Yeah, well that will get some auto-replies in this forum, but it ain't didn't happen. Fully RC including travel? Again, space, and weight and cost Unimog sized tyres? Herp, welcome to the £300 technic set, where the crane boom bends under its own weight. Lasers Unimog sized tyres? Herp, welcome to the £300 technic set, where the crane boom bends under its own weight. :laugh: Good explanation I totally agree, I hope with unimog tyres new bigger L.A.s . Edited February 4, 2013 by jorgeopesi Quote
allanp Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) I think the term manual is being used here to define a function that has no mechanism to move it whatsoever, so in the case of 8421 only the slewing is manual. I have started to build my own 5 axle crane in the same scale. It will have all round suspention, 8 wheel drive and 8 wheel steer. It will be difficult and tight but from early testing it'll fit and be close to the real thing, nothing will be manual. Longer cylinders and better valves?, you can put your house i'll comment on that . Unimog tyres? That would be VERY expensive as you say, thankfully not needed unless they finally decide to make a UCS technic set. Edited February 4, 2013 by allanp Quote
Pauger Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) 8421 has a certain harmony to it with its short and compact style, and was good for the time. But in direct comparison to 42009 I don't understand how 8421 can even compare. It's uglier, has far worse space usage and complexity, worse stabilizers and less motorized functions (2 vs 5). The only thing which is better is the placement of the boom. It's disappointing to see it displaced to such an extent as in 42009. I would say: Manual = knob-operated Completely manual = no mechanism at all Edited February 4, 2013 by Pauger Quote
allanp Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Can u explain the "goes up to 11" bit, ? It's a refrence from the movie Spinal Tap. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbVKWCpNFhY Quote
Jennifer Clark Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I suspect the boom is located further forward than usual because the motor, gearbox, and driven axle going through the turntable had to go somewhere. In front of the turntable, and the linear actuators to lift the boom would not fit in. Above the turntable, the same. So they have to go behind the turntable. This means the boom will have to be either higher than normal, or further forward than normal. Further forward is the least worse solution. Jennifer Quote
therealjustin Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 I'm very impressed with the 42009 so far. As someone who missed both the 8421 and 8053 this is really exciting and the manual slewing is a welcome sight. The only let down is that I can't buy it now. I started saving today Quote
efferman Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 my local dealer says: 42009 = 199€ recovery truck = 109,99 Monstertruck = 39,99 mini offroader = 9,99 Mindstorms Ev3 349,99 new Technic Power Functions Tuning-Set = 36,99 Quote
rm8 Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) my local dealer says: 42009 = 199€ recovery truck = 109,99 Monstertruck = 39,99 mini offroader = 9,99 Mindstorms Ev3 349,99 new Technic Power Functions Tuning-Set = 36,99 Shop.lego.de sells 9398 169 euro and 8110 199 euro. Hope 42009 will cost as Unimog... Monster truck is good offer. What is the PF tuning set? L motor, BB and some gears? Edited February 5, 2013 by rm8 Quote
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