Dragonator Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 It is good to know that Shadows read my post and went straight to his Potato Messages. You know he and I haven't kicked a Pigeon at each other for years, right?
MagPiesRUs Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Oh, I see now that you gambled your vote away after seeing we had all lost our votes. Gambling your vote is dumb! I wouldn't reccomend playing these games. So, Flare gambles his vote away and TinyPies votes for him for mayor right afterwards "just to close the gap and see the reactions" supposedly. Or whatever he said. I can see how we innocently lost our votes when we agreed to play a game where we didn't realize we were gambling our votes, but there's not excuse for the people who joined the second round. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you implying there's a connection between Flare gambling his vote away and me voting him for mayor? I said this above: why would you vote for him after all the nonsense he spewed up to that point? Trying to get reaction from lurkers and Scum is a great idea, but what if that lead to Flare being our mayor? After seeing the concerns and his actual posts, didn't that seem like kind of a bad idea? Because there was no risk of Flare actually becoming mayor unless three more people decided to vote for him at the last minute. If that had happened, we'd be able to question these last minute voters, which would've outweighed any downsides brought about by having a potential scum as mayor. Why on earth would you do that? There's no reason for the scum to "jockey" at the last second to elect Flare; there's actually a fairly good chance that scum had already voted. There was still a possibility of it happening. The narrower the gap between the two mayors, the more tempting it would be for scum to vote one of their own in. Anyway, there was nothing to lose in voting the way I did, so why not give it a try? @ Darthpotato; I think you asked about why I googled the answer after posting my "clues"; it's quite simple, I initially thought the question itself was written in french and english seeing that "what" and "Qu'est-ce que" mans the same thing. I then thought to google it for the hell of it about 15 minutes later and BAM! the answer was right there; trust me when Def told me it was too late I was PIIIIIIIISSSSSED!!! Hope this satisfies you!!! I'm still not sure why, as a townie, you'd want to share any information you've deduced about the puzzle in public. It's better to keep it to yourself and prevent the scum from using it, isn't it? And why would you think that the same question was written in both English and French? That would render half of the puzzle pieces near useless, wouldn't it? Vote: Piratedave84
Rick Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 The only other candidate to stand out today is, of course, Flare. I think everything has been covered in regard to his strange actions and words. While I'm not completely convinced that he is scum, I do think that of all the people his lynch will give us the most to go forward with tomorrow. How does it help us? What do we conclude if he's town? And if he comes up scum? Who would we go after next? How dare you say I didn't give it any second thoughts, that is a mighty big assumption on your part. It wasn't some flippant vote following someone else and I've already explained my reasons for the vote. I also explained, when I voted, that I agreed that it was a good idea to pick someone from the newer players list as our mayor. Did you know you weren't allowed to unvote for mayor? People seemed to regret their vote for Flare (for mayor) after he spoke up. It would have been enough to say you considered supporting Hinck's vote for him and wait for him to speak up before actually placing your vote. You didn't provide much reasoning for why you specifically voted for him in your initial post. I know there's no way to defend yourself against this, but - given the timing of your post - I'm still not convinced you didn't see Hinck's post. To me it seemed like you were trying to get a bandwagon going for what you deemed a suitable candidate for mayor, for whatever reason. Maybe you wanted a noobish player up there. Well, I'm sure your busy version of life and mine are different, but I won't hold that against you. Yes even when I'm busy I try to keep up with reading things (which was even difficult at times yesterday). You know this though, so it makes me wonder why you bring it up here. I was online somewhere else and extremely more quiet than usual there too, which you probably know, so hmm that makes me wonder what you are up to with that particular point. Indeed, I don't think it's fair to hold this against you, but there's still the matter of you not posting the puzzle piece right away. You made a post elsewhere on EB and a couple of posts in the day one thread before revealing your piece. In my view you only revealed it when it became apparent no one was lying about not having a piece. You've been pretty vocal early in the day, but went much quieter as people starting questioning your behaviour. And you still didn't reply to this. So, you do make some good points there about the pics and how can we figure things out. I'll take a stab at it and say I think Cecilie was killed by the psycho. I think the psycho is someone who knows how smart she is and has played closely with her. Scum night one kills are usually metagamed for another reason or not metagamed at all, depending on who the team is, which makes me think the killing scum team is low on "veterans", to put it bluntly. You sound like you have someone in mind who would want to kill her. If we're voting for whoever we think is most suspicious, I will Vote: Darkdragon Darkdragon I'd actually be pretty happy with. She seems to be getting overly flustered, and it seems to me like she and Hinck are somehow involved this game (at least from the mayor vote). Plus, when voted by JimBee, she immediately jumped onto the most popular bandwagon. If you're insinuating they could be on the same scum side, I doubt it given their mayor voting behaviour. But given Hinck thinks this is metagaming mafia, who knows? I'm still not sure why, as a townie, you'd want to share any information you've deduced about the puzzle in public. It's better to keep it to yourself and prevent the scum from using it, isn't it? And why would you think that the same question was written in both English and French? That would render half of the puzzle pieces near useless, wouldn't it? Whereas I agree it's not helpful to post your thoughts on the puzzle if you're close to figuring it out by yourself, why are you suggesting he did post it then? To scum-tell to the other scum-faction? Or do you think he already solved the puzzle before revealing his thoughts?
badboytje88 Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Vote Tally: Flare 7 (Pandora, CorneliusMurdock, Trumpetking x 2, Big Cam, Darkdragon) Hinckley 3 (Dragonator, Shadows, Tamamono) Big Cam 1 (Zepher) TrumpetKing 1 (DarthPotato) Darkdragon 1 (JimBee) Yet to vote: iamded, TinyPies, Rick, Piratedave, badboy, Dannylonglegs, Nightshroud, Ineligible to vote: CallMePie, Adam, Hinckley, Scouty, Alopex, Flare I voted for Flare: http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=78075&st=250#entry1485999
MagPiesRUs Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Whereas I agree it's not helpful to post your thoughts on the puzzle if you're close to figuring it out by yourself, why are you suggesting he did post it then? To scum-tell to the other scum-faction? Or do you think he already solved the puzzle before revealing his thoughts? Yes, I believe that either him or his scum team may have solved the puzzle beforehand. I'm not sure why else someone would publicly reveal their thoughts and thus provide more clues for scum players who already had a distinct advantage over us.
Dannylonglegs Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 What? I voted. Whatever, I'll try again. Vote: Flare. Better God Def? Don't smite me! ~Insectoid Aristocrat
def Posted January 14, 2013 Author Posted January 14, 2013 Sorry, there's a ghost in the machine. Vote Tally: Flare 8 (Pandora, CorneliusMurdock, Trumpetking x 2, Big Cam, Darkdragon, badboy, Dannylonglegs) Hinckley 3 (Dragonator, Shadows, Tamamono) Big Cam 1 (Zepher) TrumpetKing 1 (DarthPotato) Darkdragon 2 (JimBee, Rick) PirateDave 1 (TinyPies) Yet to vote: iamded, Piratedave, Nightshroud, Ineligible to vote: CallMePie, Adam, Hinckley, Scouty, Alopex, Flare Under seven hours left.
Nightshroud99 Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Vote: Hinckley Nothing to do with your dick attitude, I don't mind that, it's just your entire posting this day 1. From quickly nominating Flare, to staunchly defending your vote of him, then I believe you wanted to change your mind. Needless to say, since a few other people quickly jumped on this mayoral bandwagon I hope we can learn something from your lynch. I have a theory, however, that if we do end up successfully lynching a scum they will reveal themselves before the end. We shall see, if nothing happens then I'm guessing we made a poor decision but knowing this maybe night actions can be thought out better. Gosh I'm tired, going to sleep now.
Piratedave84 Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 On my phone, will be back later; why was my vote not counted??? Vote: Hinckley
def Posted January 14, 2013 Author Posted January 14, 2013 On my phone, will be back later; why was my vote not counted??? When you put it in the middle of a paragraph, it's easy to miss. Vote Tally: Flare 8 (Pandora, CorneliusMurdock, Trumpetking x 2, Big Cam, Darkdragon, badboy, Dannylonglegs) Hinckley 5 (Dragonator, Shadows, Tamamono, Piratedave, Nightshroud) Big Cam 1 (Zepher) TrumpetKing 1 (DarthPotato) Darkdragon 2 (JimBee, Rick) PirateDave 1 (TinyPies) Yet to vote: iamded Ineligible to vote: CallMePie, Adam, Hinckley, Scouty, Alopex, Flare Under three hours left.
iamded Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Well! I'm going to take your advice Zeph and not follow the bandwagon as there isn't really any point in doing that on day 1, especially when we don't need a majority to convict. Better to vote for the person we feel most suspicious of at the current moment. What a coincidence, I was planning on doing the same thing and voting who I felt was most likely to be scum. Vote: Dragonator You're normally more sociable when you're a good guy. You're being awful quiet today, reminds me of the time in that Forest, and that last one with the animals that r people too. Or maybe I just miss your attention.
Dragonator Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 You're normally more sociable when you're a good guy. Have you played the last 10 games with me? Seriously?
Hinckley Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Yes, I believe that either him or his scum team may have solved the puzzle beforehand. I'm not sure why else someone would publicly reveal their thoughts and thus provide more clues for scum players who already had a distinct advantage over us. I get your point. He solves it and then shares the clue to seem helpful (and maybe show how clever he is!) to appear more like a Townie. Couple that together with voting for someone he doesn't find Scummy and there's definitely something off about that behavior.
CorneliusMurdock Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 I have a theory, however, that if we do end up successfully lynching a scum they will reveal themselves before the end. We shall see, if nothing happens then I'm guessing we made a poor decision but knowing this maybe night actions can be thought out better. What? You think that if a scum is in the lead for the lynch, they'll say, "You know what? You got me." Why in the world would you think that? You think that a scum would voluntarily lynch themselves to unite the teams?
Nightshroud99 Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 What? You think that if a scum is in the lead for the lynch, they'll say, "You know what? You got me." Why in the world would you think that? You think that a scum would voluntarily lynch themselves to unite the teams? It could happen, it's sort of the crazy hair brained scheme's I always come up with. However, a townie could also claim this while he/she's about to get lynched. It makes for some interesting scenarios. And no I don't think someone would voluntarily lynch themselves. I think that if their lynch was a sure thing, and their convincing the town was insufficient to win back favor, that they might do this.
CorneliusMurdock Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 It's a little crazy for day one. I think the scum will try to be as subtle as possible. While they do need to unite, they also need to not be suspected by us or we'll vote them out.
Piratedave84 Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 I'm still not sure why, as a townie, you'd want to share any information you've deduced about the puzzle in public. It's better to keep it to yourself and prevent the scum from using it, isn't it? And why would you think that the same question was written in both English and French? That would render half of the puzzle pieces near useless, wouldn't it? Vote: Piratedave84 Then why post the pieces in public? By posting your piece you also helped (potentialy, as you seem to insinuate) the scum to solve it! My mother tongue is French and I thought I could be of assistance to others by helping to translate what was said. The goal was to solve the puzzle, at the time I posted my "clues" it did not occur to me to google it. The odds of a townie solving the puzzle is much greater than the odds of a scum having done so. Why the same question? Why not? so far we had a night zero, a blackjack game, we all bare our own names, had a say in our avatars ... why not, this is no ordinary game!! The "Qu'est-ce que" part could also very well have been a follow up question as well. I posted my findings to help town; I'm no scum! Whereas I agree it's not helpful to post your thoughts on the puzzle if you're close to figuring it out by yourself, why are you suggesting he did post it then? To scum-tell to the other scum-faction? Or do you think he already solved the puzzle before revealing his thoughts? I said it before and will say it again; I did not solve the puzzle; if I had I would have no problem telling you. At the time, I had no idea I was close to figuring it out. I get your point. He solves it and then shares the clue to seem helpful (and maybe show how clever he is!) to appear more like a Townie. Couple that together with voting for someone he doesn't find Scummy and there's definitely something off about that behavior. I am clever!!!!! But no as I have now said 4 times, I did not solve the puzzle before hand! Agreed I voted for you as I was out of ideas; your behaviour seems really out of wack to me. Whom else should I vote for? Oh! I know!!!! Seeing that this person seems pretty adament I solved the puzzle, even though I did not and made it clear and aludes to the fact my helping town was a scummy move, I shall: Unvote: Hincley Vote: TinyPiesRUs
Flare Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 As for who I'll vote for, Flare has certainly posted very strange comments--stranger than what I'd suspect of her. I'm not sure whether it's how she usually posts or whether it's because she's having a hard time scumming, as was the case last time I played with her. If nothing else comes up, I'll likely vote for her, but my heart's not quite in it yet. Whoa whoa whoa, I'm a guy And I haven't played as a scum with you, I don't know what you're talking about. You're thinking of someone else. Which really downgrades any argument of yours against me. Him! Him! Him! I suck at genders on the web. Ask Cece. She had to deal with it too. Sorry Flare. Apology accepted. The only other candidate to stand out today is, of course, Flare. I think everything has been covered in regard to his strange actions and words. While I'm not completely convinced that he is scum, I do think that of all the people his lynch will give us the most to go forward with tomorrow. Vote: Flare Honestly, Flare's the only one that I don't disagree with. It's odd that the Mayor situation happened so fast, and his comments afterwords were bizarre. I didn't entirely expect that sort of talk from Flare, as his last performance of which I am aware was pretty good (he was Godfather in Jedi Temple Mafia.) was quite similar. It could be that he's only acting so out of touch because he's not grounded by a scum team, or it could be the reverse. I think we stand to gain the most from lynching him as it'll help put the mayor vote into perspective too. All-in-all, I'm not happy with this Lynch, but I have to vote, and I have no better choice. I'll change it if a compelling argument for someone appears. ~Insectoid Aristocrat What do you mean, the only other candidate? What about Hinckley? He's the one who was pushing for the mayor situation. I didn't have a word in it (well until I posted that retarded first post which has got everyone on my back). I don't understand what you people think you can learn from my lynch. When I'm lynched, and I turn up town, what will it teach you? That Hincks and Darkdragon are probably scum? They'll probably squirm out of that too. And as for the jedi temple mafia, I wasn't the godfather, I was a vanilla townie :confused: I think you're confusing me with Tammo or someone. This is quite a bit to sort through so I'm taking my time with my responses to the latest developments. Based on the evidence presented thus far, I think it is most likely that Flare guessed the puzzle correctly and sent his answer off to def. "Qu'est-ce que" is a common phrase in French and is extremely recognizable. Looking at the semi-completed picture that Hinckley put out at the end of Night Zero, the most helpful and obvious words were "1977 hit" and "-ce". It's possible that someone recognized the "-ce" and googled "1977 hit qu'est-ce", which would have brought up "Psycho Killer". However, determining the answer would have been much easier with Flare's piece, which reads "que", another indicator of French (or similar romance languages). Googling "1977 hit que" gets you nowhere, but recognizing the "-ce" and combining it with "que" could easily get you the answer if you have even basic knowledge of French or similar languages. I live in Israel and I don't speak any french except the phrases Bonjour and Bote Avon. I still don't know what "Qu'est-ce que" means... :confused: I don't think its really fair for you to say that it is extremely recognizable, because it wasn't. And as I said earlier, by the time I had signed on and saw what pieces were posted in Night Zero, the thread was already locked and Day One was already a couple posts in. That's all I have to say for now. It's a pity that y'all are so intent on lynching me, I appreciate that at least some of you see through the blatant lies and accusations of the scum. And I want to add, that personally I think that voting for Hinckley would be the most beneficial for the future - his influence is much stronger on the game than mine, and it'll be easier for us to move on and find the scum after knowing whether Hincks is scum or not - although I strongly suspect that he is. Symbolic Vote: Hinckley
Rick Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Flare, am I invisible to you? I seem to be invisible to Darkdragon too. Maybe it's a board glitch.
def Posted January 14, 2013 Author Posted January 14, 2013 Vote Tally: Flare 8 (Pandora, CorneliusMurdock, Trumpetking x 2, Big Cam, Darkdragon, badboy, Dannylonglegs) Hinckley 5 (Dragonator, Shadows, Tamamono, Nightshroud) Big Cam 1 (Zepher) TrumpetKing 1 (DarthPotato) Darkdragon 2 (JimBee, Rick) PirateDave 1 (TinyPies) Dragonator 1 (iamded) TinyPies 1 ( Piratedave) Ineligible to vote: CallMePie, Adam, Hinckley, Scouty, Alopex, Flare Under 40 minutes left.
Flare Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Flare, am I invisible to you? No. Why would you think that?
Hinckley Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Not much time left and our internet keeps going in and out here at work. Hope I can finish my thoughts: But no as I have now said 4 times, I did not solve the puzzle before hand! Agreed I voted for you as I was out of ideas; your behaviour seems really out of wack to me. Whom else should I vote for? Oh! I know!!!! Seeing that this person seems pretty adament I solved the puzzle, even though I did not and made it clear and aludes to the fact my helping town was a scummy move, I shall: Unvote: Hincley Vote: TinyPiesRUs Dave, what's really strange about you is how angry you're getting about the accusations and how you've now switched your vote after saying my behavior seems out of whack. At first, you didn't think I was Scummy but voted for me anyway and now you think my behavior is out of whack and you unvote me. It's weird that you've voted for TinyPies now when all he has done is suspect you. All he is asking is why you didn't try to solve it on your own withouth sharing what you shared. He's saying since the Scum was likely to have more pieces, didn't the help in deciphering the question help them more than the Town? It's a sound question even if it does mistake your intentions. What about Hinckley? He's the one who was pushing for the mayor situation. I placed the first vote for you for mayor, but I by no means pushed for you election.
Pandora Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 No. Why would you think that? And you just got odder. Have you not read the thread, or looked at the vote count properly at all? Well, anyway, here's why (I'm talking to you Flare in this quote), and I advocate you go and read my post in full, as I quoted you in it. You seem to be very upset with people voting for you (for lynch), which is kinda understandable even if you are being a bit ranty in your reply. Except you don't seem to have any issues with me, despite me being the first person to vote for you. I can happily live without arguments, but I find that unusual. We can live without retardedness too. Sorry, but we really can. That didn't sound much like an accusation, unless you're feeling particularly sensitive. Your original mention of it was: It just sounds odd to me that you think there are, or will be, multiple accusations of Hinck being scum. I also commented about DLL getting your gender wrong, which you just brought up and said it belittled his argument, immediately before you accepted his apology and explanation. You are very, very odd and people seem to think you're not normally odd. I'm happy to keep my vote where it is.
Flare Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 And you just got odder. Have you not read the thread, or looked at the vote count properly at all? Well, anyway, here's why (I'm talking to you Flare in this quote), and I advocate you go and read my post in full, as I quoted you in it. I also commented about DLL getting your gender wrong, which you just brought up and said it belittled his argument, immediately before you accepted his apology and explanation. You are very, very odd and people seem to think you're not normally odd. I'm happy to keep my vote where it is. I'm sorry, I missed your recent post. As for not having any issues with you, I do have issues with you, but they're not any different from the main issues I have with the other people who are against me, so I have nothing specific to say to you. If you want to live without retardedness, then vote for BigCam. He has a condition apparently that is forcing him to act retarded I don't see why you think I'm so odd, except for the first post I made.
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