Eurobricks Mafia Day One: Let the metagaming begin!

[TrumpetKing]

I am saying that if Redblade hypothetically had one.

[Hinckley]

I think there should be four pieces left. One was Cecilie's. Redblade might have had one. That means at least two of the three remaining people should have pieces. Once we have more pieces, we'll have a better idea of how many pieces are missing, and from there we can see how many people are lying to us about not having a piece. That would be a hard lie to get to the bottom of, considering how many people claimed not to have pieces. And there are bound to be Townies with Power Roles in that group...

[CMP]

I'm thinking there are 3-5 more pieces, not counting Darkdragon's.

[Hinckley]

Here's what it looks like with DarkDragon's piece:

[Shadows]

Here's what it looks like with DarkDragon's piece:

That obviously has to be at least 3 pieces and based on size, I'd say 4, for what it's worth.

As for suggesting that people not share their parts, I didn't bother for a very simple reason: whenever I try to give good advice, some megablocks turns it against me in a ridiculous way and time is wasted. It isn't like anyone would listen anyway.

I do agree that exploring the people who haven't claimed or who have claimed not to receive a part might be useful, even if it just helps us understand the game mechanics we're dealing with here.

[Hinckley]

As for suggesting that people not share their parts, I didn't bother for a very simple reason: whenever I try to give good advice, some megablocks turns it against me in a ridiculous way and time is wasted. It isn't like anyone would listen anyway.

Well, we have been instructed to metagame. And I did that to you in the last game, but I was right and you wanted me to and I knew I was going to be converted if I didn't kill you and then didn't guess there would be a backup leader, Anyway, I agree.

[CorneliusMurdock]

If Flare had a piece, even if he were scum, I don't see why he wouldn't share it now. But it will still be interesting to see if he had one.

It could be that Flare was just a scum lurker minding his own business when he was thrown into the light of the mayoral vote. Might be why he didn't react well to it.

[TrumpetKing]

I think that thee lynch against Flare is rally the strongest option right now. I did vote him for mayor thinking that there would be different circumstances, so I really have not little to no trouble voting for him right now. His behavior just hasn't seemed right, and I feel like his reactions to receiving mayor votes is strange. And, I think he is trying to divert attention from himself by agreeing with everybody, so I will

Vote: Flare

If something else does come up though, I will change my vote.

[Hinckley]

If Flare had a piece, even if he were scum, I don't see why he wouldn't share it now. But it will still be interesting to see if he had one.

It could be that Flare was just a scum lurker minding his own business when he was thrown into the light of the mayoral vote. Might be why he didn't react well to it.

That's a much better way to word what I was saying earlier. It'll be interesting to say what he says about having a piece or not.

[CorneliusMurdock]

That's a much better way to word what I was saying earlier. It'll be interesting to say what he says about having a piece or not.

Is that what you were saying? I'll have to come up with something else to say now before someone accuses me of being a summarizer. Really I'm more of a winterizer anyway.

Even if Flare was just a scum in the wrong place at the wrong time, it doesn't mean that scum didn't vote for him. Even ignoring the split teams of scum, scum on his own team might have decided just to go along with it.

[Tamamono]

You know, I have to admit, I didn't really get the Flare vote at first, but then I reread this post:

Well well well, voting for me as mayor eh? Its because of my sweet hair, obviously. Or because I'm a noob and you stupidly trust me for that fact. Well my friends, I cannot recommend myself as mayor since I have not had much more experience besides being a community organizer once, but I appreciate your votes of faith. Trust me, me as mayor will bring my own will fairness to be ensured in the game.

Although I feel slightly worried. Why me, Hincks? I mean, I'm not the only non-superduperwellknown player playing in this game. Your vote started an avalanche of votes for me, it seems. Perhaps you started the voting for me because you're trying to get on my good side? Eh? Well you're totally ont my good side never going to succeed with that scheme! I'm way ahead of you! Scummo!

This is almost entirely based on meta, but I'm actually fairly certain he's scum (or at least not town) from this post.

Here he seems like he's acting extra-reserved, almost as if he's really giving a speech. I've found that, in my experience of several scum games, you always feel "on the spot" (so to speak) when posting; as if you not only have to post, but it needs to be some amazing work of art. Rhetorical questions and bad jokes generally serve this purpose well.

Plus, in his 'accusation' of Hinckley, he beats around the bush, really. I've found that presenting the evidence and leaving interpretation of it to the audience is a pretty good (and manipulative) way to present a case against someone. This is what he seems to be doing here.

My experience with Flare has taught me that, while he's a tough a read, he's not one to make posts like this as town.

Vote: Flare (Flare)

[Hinckley]

Is that what you were saying? I'll have to come up with something else to say now before someone accuses me of being a summarizer. Really I'm more of a winterizer anyway.

Even if Flare was just a scum in the wrong place at the wrong time, it doesn't mean that scum didn't vote for him. Even ignoring the split teams of scum, scum on his own team might have decided just to go along with it.

Except I said this:

As I said to someone in private (as I have a disturbing number of them going for being Day One. Don't worry, nobody has claimed to me. Most people want to know why I'm being such a dick.) he's either an inexperienced player unfamiliar with my gameplay or a Scum not sure how to respond to being voted for and getting advice from fellow team members to seem suspicious of my vote. I would like to see Flare's allegiance, even if I end up getting lynched tomorrow for being the first to vote for him for mayor.

It's a rambling way of saying what you've put much more concisely.

Here he seems like he's acting extra-reserved, almost as if he's really giving a speech. I've found that, in my experience of several scum games, you always feel "on the spot" (so to speak) when posting; as if you not only have to post, but it needs to be some amazing work of art. Rhetorical questions and bad jokes generally serve this purpose well.

And that's what I couldn't put my finger on at first. It's that mindset of "Uh-oh, I'm in the spotlight, better react the way a Townie would" followed by the thought that the accusations had been focused on me. Little questions and searches seemed magnified when you're in the informed minority. So, perhaps he thought there were accusations against me when there were simply pokes and prods.

[Zepher]

I apologize that I've not had much to say so far. Day One seems mostly drivel most of the time to me (and I've been busy anyway). I understand that talking gets us behavior to analyze, but the last time I checked in I had already given all my thoughts on the topics being discussed.

My puzzle piece.

As for the first day vote - we all must vote, but I don't find the case for either candidate very compelling. Flare... what, ran for mayor, said lots of fluff, was extra-extravegant? That's not scummy to me, just someone being silly. Nearly everyone says fluff the first day. Really, boiled down, this is probably 3 pages of useful conversation, 4 pages of fluff, and 4 pages of bitter arguing over nothing much because that's how Day One always goes. Have I mentioned that I don't like Day Ones? But I still like all you people!

If it came down to it, I'd probably vote Big Cam. I've got to agree, his level of activity vs. his level of contribution are not helpful. First day lynches rarely lead to scum, but they do help trim the fat. Scum or dumb. Sorry if that's not a very nice attitude, but its generally how I feel Day One.

[def]

Vote Tally:

Flare 5 (Pandora, CorneliusMurdock, Trumpetking x 2, Tamamono)

Ineligible to vote: CallMePie, Adam, Hinckley, Scouty, Alopex, Flare

[CMP]

Oh....yeah.

Well.....it was a symbolic vote.

[badboytje88]

As stated by Hinck previously it would be most interesting to vote for Flare. So I will join in the vote: Flare

Some people questioned why I choose Adam for mayor. My choice was purely based on looking the part, and Adam looks realy smart in his sexy suit. So I choose him.

[Flare]

I DO have a puzzle piece:

I know that doesn't prove that I am innocent, but it just seems to me that it is worthwhile to mention it.

What I find interesting is that first everyone is voting for me as mayor, without a real reason, and now everyone is voting for me to be lynched, without a real reason. Why are you guys ganging up on me?

And yes, I was just being silly with that first post.

If you're going for someone for saying silly things, then I would recommend Big Cam. Stop going poop already.

Trumpetking67, it seems to me that you keep switching sides. At first you're voting for me as mayor and a strong supporter, and when the tides change you were quick to switch sides to keep on the good side of the crowd. If I could vote, I would vote for you to be lynched.

[Tamamono]

As stated by Hinck previously it would be most interesting to vote for Flare. So I will join in the vote: Flare

Some people questioned why I choose Adam for mayor. My choice was purely based on looking the part, and Adam looks realy smart in his sexy suit. So I choose him.

While I do agree that Flare is the optimal lynch today, why are you voting for someone just because it'll be "interesting".

Also, it appears badboy's been hit by the day-thread lover gimmick action. :hmph:

[Nightshroud99]

I am suspicious of everyone who has gone after Big Cam, no one's voted for him yet, sure, but the accusation isn't warranted in my opinion. It is a good target for scum to make though.

Yes he's screaming about fecal matter and his mother, but there is no real reason he'd be doing this. This game is different, the overlord has said this several times, perhaps Big Cam can't say anything useful today. It's be extremely stupid for a scum to act out like this, or brilliant maybe, but all and all useless.

[Dragonator]

Don't worry guys, I'm awake. Cards really bore me... I'm not particularly lucky.

I have a puzzle piece I can add to the pile.

Yes my piece has a weiner.

As for the voting so far... not sure why Flare is on the chopping block. He was nominated by Hinck, putting him in the spotlight, and now he's our easy day one lynch that nobody will feel guilty about? Put it down to metagaming, but I find it weird that Hinck would want to elect some random he has no reason to trust. I would find it more likely that the scum would want a townie up there, so that they can then try to convert or kill that person later depending on what would be more beneficial. Trying to put one of their own up there would be far too risky in my view, for very little gain.

[CMP]

Looks like every piece is accounted for. No liars there, it seems...

[Rick]

Sorry about the quote thing. I just copied it from my own quote because I did't want to go back and requote you. I could have just clicked the quote and gone back that way, but I've been really busy with housework recently (I've been taking down a rotting gazebo all day.), so I sort of forgot I could do that.

I still think the skelli-head's the scum killer, and the chandelier, the Psycho, but I agree, there's no point in more speculation such as this.

Yes, it would be much easier! Unfortunately it would be bizarrely stupid to lie about something so readily provable. Additionally, if the Scum were trying to conceal the puzzle pieces, why even lie? Just wait until you've solved the puzzle on your own and then post it, or post it the next day. Also, you know me, I don't like lying. I'm not sure how finally building the puzzle could be useful to the Town at this point, but I don't see the harm in it.

I'm not sure what Analysis to derive from behaviors in regards to the puzzle-pieces. I'm sure the scum wouldn't put forward all their pieces at once, maybe saving them until after they solved the puzzle (and I'm sure the scum solved it. They'd have to be off the ball not to have clinched it. Unlike the riddles and fun nonsense in Forest 2, the clues are in the hands of the few (well, technically a majority of individuals, but I digress.), and not immediately available to the many.) Moreover, revealing them at the exact same time (I'm assuming 3 or so Scum--enough to warrant the name team.) would be unlike the scum, who strive to always avoid associating. Plus, time-zone differences and whatnot. It's likely that at least one member of at least one of the scum teams did not receive a puzzle piece, so maybe we could look for today's lynch from within that net? What's that called? Rule of 5-6s? It's a long shot though. Also, the first few to post their pieces should not be ruled out as potential scum, because while the scum may have their own 2-3 pieces, we can be sure that they couldn't solve the puzzle with simply those. They probably did not receive connecting pieces, but it was probably randomly selected.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

Why is there so much markup in your post ('size'-changes)?

Judging by the fact that nobody's claimed to be invincible (which would be to the town's advantage; especially if it's someone who's likely to be investigated), it's likely that a scummo got invincibility for tonight.

Why do some of you keep pushing for the one who got immunity to come forward? If it's a townie, in my view, it'll only help the scum. If it's an attempt to appear scummy, which we're supposed to do to not help the scum find each other, then well done.

I'd actually be suspicious of those just revealing their pieces now - if they're scum they realize that there's no reason not to reveal their pieces now that it's been solved (Adam and Alopex are the only ones, right?)

Indeed, I can follow along with not wanting to 'help the scum' on night zero as a strategy, but I don't understand why people didn't just post their piece at the start of day one.

Although Flare turning up Scum would heavily incriminate me, I have to agree with your logic here. I find it interesting that two votes for Flare followed mine. Everyone seems to have had reasons, but as I've stated, I found other behaviors DarkDragon exhibited weird, although you defended her, and Zepher is being typically nonsensical, but I thought his reasoning was a little weaker (it's a tool to get the sheep more involved).

WIFOM, I know, but I don't think scum would - knowingly (remember there are two groups here) - nominate one of their own on day one and put them in the spotlight. The votes following yours have me more worried though. I'm not saying they were trying to elect one of their own, but I can see them benefiting from having a relative noob in the position of mayor. Perhaps, as others have suggested, to convert him when the time comes.

I agree with you Hinckley that Flare's response to your vote was really strange, having not seen any previous behavior from him in these situations it's hard to say if that's normal for him or not though. When I voted him for mayor it was because he was on the short list of what I'd consider new players and the fact that I know him from Heroica, so I know he does pay attention to the games and read things...and he didn't do anything crazy in Heartlake like some people on that list. Anyway, I hadn't even seen your vote for him when I wrote mine.

Even though there were 7 minutes in between your (short) posts and Hinckley's post (Hinck even managed to post again before you posted)? Relevant posts quoted for Hinck's convenience:

Nice. And no, don't elect me mayor, for megabluck's sake. I say we make someone that nobody would want to kill by metagaming the mayor.

mayor: Flare

This makes a lot of sense. I completely agree.

Mayor: Flare

I really don't see the point in this. The puzzle is solved, and it hurts my eyes.

Yes, I had a piece and didn't post it. I didn't think it was a good idea to post it on night zero for all the reasons already stated by many others.

Why not post it earlier today then?

As for the first day vote - we all must vote, but I don't find the case for either candidate very compelling. Flare... what, ran for mayor, said lots of fluff, was extra-extravegant?

He didn't exactly run for mayor initially.

If it came down to it, I'd probably vote Big Cam. I've got to agree, his level of activity vs. his level of contribution are not helpful. First day lynches rarely lead to scum, but they do help trim the fat. Scum or dumb. Sorry if that's not a very nice attitude, but its generally how I feel Day One.

I can imagine he has been hit by a role-playing action, but I doubt that he's not allowed to say anything useful. How about this, if he's not allowed to say anything useful today he can reply to this post with something about poo, if he's just messing about, he can reply to this post with something about pee?

[Darkdragon]

Even though there were 7 minutes in between your (short) posts and Hinckley's post (Hinck even managed to post again before you posted)? Relevant posts quoted for Hinck's convenience:

Yes. How long were you writing your post? Sometimes things get missed while creating the post, it's pretty common and not just in these types of situations. Also, for Hinck's convenience? That's a strange thing to say.

Why not post it earlier today then?

Because I thought it was silly, but decided to go ahead and do it today (this current 24 hours timespan). It really doesn't matter, and I still think it's silly that we were all "forced" to post them, but whatever. The only post-solving piece posting that has me worried is the one from Big Cam a bit after the start of the day, everyone who posted after the whole "I know it's over but lets all post anyway so we can make lists" conversation probably posted whenever they got the chance to and saw no rush in doing so.

[Alopex]

Yep, there is only one piece missing and that was Cecilie's.

[Rick]

Yes. How long were you writing your post? Sometimes things get missed while creating the post, it's pretty common and not just in these types of situations. Also, for Hinck's convenience? That's a strange thing to say.

I always make sure to read up on everything that's been written before I hit post and yours was only a short reply to Piratedave84. I embedded the quotes in response to this post by Hinck:

Who started this trend? Can't you just quote the actual posts instead of linking to them? I know we can't multiquote from a closed topic now, but can't you copy the text and put it between quote tags?

Because I thought it was silly, but decided to go ahead and do it today (this current 24 hours timespan). It really doesn't matter, and I still think it's silly that we were all "forced" to post them, but whatever. The only post-solving piece posting that has me worried is the one from Big Cam a bit after the start of the day, everyone who posted after the whole "I know it's over but lets all post anyway so we can make lists" conversation probably posted whenever they got the chance to and saw no rush in doing so.

Hmmm, I still think your timing's odd. If you just think it's "silly", surely there's nothing keeping you from posting it as soon as you can? We all know you're online all day. It seems you only posted when it became apparent that no one was lying about not having a piece.