Eurobricks Mafia Day One: Let the metagaming begin!

[JimBee]

I voted for Cornelius as mayor, not Flare.

But you did bring it up? Or was that PirateDave? Gah!

Since we're supposed to metagame here, this is almost identical to a Scummy post you made in Rangnarok: "I disagree with lynching (lynch candidate) but I wouldn't mind seeing (lynch candidate) lynched, but I'm not going to vote yet." Ping.

I just don't think either lynch candidate is a good choice. Big Cam because it looks like he may be a victim of a roleplay action, and I think Flare is town whose death won't give us much information. The only other alternatives that I would be willing to vote for are those who were quick to jump on the bandwagons today. Darkdragon, and Zepher, i think it was for the Flare mayoral vote, badboy and Big Cam (although the latter, again, with the RP situation) for the Flare lynch vote, or some others who've been flying under the radar. I want to try to confirm that Big Cam is in fact a target of an action (that makes him useless) before I make a decision. At least I'm being careful with my vote, and not gambling it away.

[Dannylonglegs]

I want to try to confirm that Big Cam is in fact a target of an action (that makes him useless) before I make a decision. At least I'm being careful with my vote, and not gambling it away.

He is. He may talk like a baby, but he dreams like an adult, if you get what I mean. He likes mashed potatoes.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

[JimBee]

He is. He may talk like a baby, but he dreams like an adult, if you get what I mean. He likes mashed potatoes.

Hm? So you're saying that he posts normally in the night threads (we'll have more after Night 0 I assume), and posts nonsense in the day threads? Did I miss where he said this?

[CMP]

He is. He may talk like a baby, but he dreams like an adult, if you get what I mean. He likes mashed potatoes.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

Then can he relay his words through you or something?

[Dannylonglegs]

Then can he relay his words through you or something?

No, give him a potato. I shouldn't have been so cryptic. He explained his situation to me with potatoes. Apparently he can't acknowledge that he's acting like a baby, but he can explain it to people via potato. Tomorrow he'll be all better, so I think we should judge him when he can behave like a grown up, and not vote for him today.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

~Insectoid Aristocrat

[CMP]

Okay....so the action is preventing him from being helpful?

[Dannylonglegs]

Hm? So you're saying that he posts normally in the night threads (we'll have more after Night 0 I assume), and posts nonsense in the day threads? Did I miss where he said this?

He can't say anything about it. He'll be normal tomorrow. I don't know about the night threads, but he was cursed with baby nonsense today by someone. It sounds allot like what went on in Forest 2.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

Okay....so the action is preventing him from being helpful?

Pretty much. With his restrictions he could still be some help, but I imagine it would be allot of work. He can't be normal today.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

[CMP]

I'm guessing that's a 'no'...what an awful night action.

[Dannylonglegs]

Addendum: Unless he wants 4 penalty votes, of course.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

[DarthPotato]

But you did bring it up? Or was that PirateDave? Gah!

Nope, that was Privatedave.

And Trumpetking, I guess I can understand why you didn't make your suspicions heard... but still, I don't know who else I'd give my vote to today.

So someone other than def gave Big Cam the action? So is it possible that more of us could get cursed by something else tonight?

[Dannylonglegs]

Nope, that was Privatedave.

And Trumpetking, I guess I can understand why you didn't make your suspicions heard... but still, I don't know who else I'd give my vote to today.

So someone other than def gave Big Cam the action? So is it possible that more of us could get cursed by something else tonight?

Well, I think there is a role out there that curses someone each night to behave in a peculiar manner during the day for one day. The curse may end at night, at which point the individual with the cursing role can choose another player to be cursed. This is speculation on my part, but it makes the most sense IMO.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

*I'll call the curser a Witch unless that's an actual role, or this is a real role with another name.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

[Piratedave84]

Nope, that was Privatedave.

And Trumpetking, I guess I can understand why you didn't make your suspicions heard... but still, I don't know who else I'd give my vote to today.

So someone other than def gave Big Cam the action? So is it possible that more of us could get cursed by something else tonight?

Brought what up???

[DarthPotato]

Brought what up???

The idea to vote for someone less active as mayor, although I don't think you brought up Flare anyway.

[Dannylonglegs]

Well, I think there is a role out there that curses someone each night to behave in a peculiar manner during the day for one day. The curse may end at night, at which point the individual with the cursing role can choose another player to be cursed. This is speculation on my part, but it makes the most sense IMO.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

*I'll call the curser a Witch unless that's an actual role, or this is a real role with another name.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

Let me make this more clear. My theory is that the Witch curses an individual. Said individual then behaves oddly in the day. The Witch can likely choose a different individual each night. This is my theory, not that the role passes on through the cursed, which is what Big Cam thought I meant, which he and I agree is a misinterpretation.

~Insectoid Aristocrat

[JimBee]

To clarify about my confusion on PirateDave/DarthPotato, Piratedave did bring up Flare as one of several of the quieter ones among us for a mayoral candidate.

On to the mayor business; I propose that we elect someone which is not one of our usual town leaders (Hinck, Shadows, Etc.. we all know who they are) and instead opt to elect a player like Alopex, Flare, Darthpotatoe or someone of the likes.

Thoughts?

I'm guessing that's a 'no'...what an awful night action.

My thoughts exactly... at least we know what's up now. With that cleared up I will

Vote: Darkdragon

...with good reason. Better reasoning than with Flare or Big Cam in my opinion, at least. She's been saying some really odd stuff, such as wanting to discuss an SK/psycho more than a scum killer, claiming one is more of a threat than the other. Really, there's no reason to not discuss anything. I can sort of see where she may have been coming from by wanting discuss something in particular in order to get a read on other people (and their thoughts on the SK, or whatever killer we're assuming it to be), but not saying that discussing the scum kill is a waste of time. Then there's the business with Flare and how she and Hinckley both mayor'd him right away. I still don't understand why you'd use your single mayor vote right away without second thoughts.

On top of that, some noticed that she was online all of yesterday but didn't really say much. I know this is a secondary concern, and something that should not be read into too closely, but I know that when I'm "busy" I'm not clicking on EB at least once every 20 minutes so that I'm on the active user list. Again, not very important, I know, but something worth at least pointing out.

[Darkdragon]

I'm not sure why so many people are saying I never explained my mayor vote, I did earlier in the day. Here's the quote for your convenience.

I agree with you Hinckley that Flare's response to your vote was really strange, having not seen any previous behavior from him in these situations it's hard to say if that's normal for him or not though. When I voted him for mayor it was because he was on the short list of what I'd consider new players and the fact that I know him from Heroica, so I know he does pay attention to the games and read things...and he didn't do anything crazy in Heartlake like some people on that list.

As for today's vote. If Big Cam was cursed with something that makes him act/talk like he is, which I have no doubt about because I have never seen him ever act like this before, I don't think that it should stop him from putting forth something other than just that baby talk. So the fact he is only doing that makes me feel like he's using it as a day one crutch so he doesn't have to help, but on the other hand I have some reservations about voting him because of it. Though without this role play curse thing, maybe he wouldn't be saying anything and his head wouldn't be on the chopping block at all. It's really a tough call because if he is using it as an excuse to not contribute, he'll be living another day because of it but on the other hand if he is just cursed and we lynch an innocent person over that, it will not help us figure anything out and we'll be stuck tomorrow with the same information.

The only other candidate to stand out today is, of course, Flare. I think everything has been covered in regard to his strange actions and words. While I'm not completely convinced that he is scum, I do think that of all the people his lynch will give us the most to go forward with tomorrow.

Vote: Flare

[Piratedave84]

The idea to vote for someone less active as mayor, although I don't think you brought up Flare anyway.

Ah! Yes! See my earlier justification!

As Jim said, I suggested Flare amongst others; my name could also have been on that list (as Darth, Trumpet, Adam, etc); the list was suggestions and not a set list; it was meant as examples.

[Darkdragon]

but not saying that discussing the scum kill is a waste of time.

I never said that. I said that I don't think we should worry about the photos and spend the day discussing what killer did what kill because coming to the wrong conclusion (easy to do with only one photo for each kill) can be more damaging to us than just waiting one more day.

Then there's the business with Flare and how she and Hinckley both mayor'd him right away. I still don't understand why you'd use your single mayor vote right away without second thoughts.

How dare you say I didn't give it any second thoughts, that is a mighty big assumption on your part. It wasn't some flippant vote following someone else and I've already explained my reasons for the vote. I also explained, when I voted, that I agreed that it was a good idea to pick someone from the newer players list as our mayor.

On top of that, some noticed that she was online all of yesterday but didn't really say much. I know this is a secondary concern, and something that should not be read into too closely, but I know that when I'm "busy" I'm not clicking on EB at least once every 20 minutes so that I'm on the active user list. Again, not very important, I know, but something worth at least pointing out.

Well, I'm sure your busy version of life and mine are different, but I won't hold that against you. Yes even when I'm busy I try to keep up with reading things (which was even difficult at times yesterday). You know this though, so it makes me wonder why you bring it up here. I was online somewhere else and extremely more quiet than usual there too, which you probably know, so hmm that makes me wonder what you are up to with that particular point.

[Hinckley]

At least I'm being careful with my vote, and not gambling it away.

Why get defensive at all then? If you look back, we were offered the game before we knew our vote was going to be wagered. I would not have willingly gambled my vote away.

[Pandora]

As for the voting so far... not sure why Flare is on the chopping block. He was nominated by Hinck, putting him in the spotlight, and now he's our easy day one lynch that nobody will feel guilty about?

Well, that wasn't the reason I voted for him, which I kinda said at the time.

<Rant>

You seem to be very upset with people voting for you (for lynch), which is kinda understandable even if you are being a bit ranty in your reply. Except you don't seem to have any issues with me, despite me being the first person to vote for you. I can happily live without arguments, but I find that unusual.

The first retarded post that I wrote, "...Perhaps you started the voting for me because you're trying to get on my good side? Eh? Well you're totally ont my good side never going to succeed with that scheme! I'm way ahead of you! Scummo!" Accusing you of trying to get on my good side as a scum isn't an accusation?

We can live without retardedness too. Sorry, but we really can.

That didn't sound much like an accusation, unless you're feeling particularly sensitive. Your original mention of it was:

Hincks, I think you've cleared yourself up from any accusations of scum. If you were just voting for me for mayor because you didn't know me, then I'm not sure if that was the best idea but fine, no submotives.

It just sounds odd to me that you think there are, or will be, multiple accusations of Hinck being scum.

I will Vote: Big Cam, if only to get in a vote and close the gap a little bit.

Hinckley already kinda responded to this, but why do you feel the need to 'close the gap'? Will 'closing the gap' bring out new information in some way? Given that we don't need to reach a majority, I doubt it, so then why do this?

As for who I'll vote for, Flare has certainly posted very strange comments--stranger than what I'd suspect of her. I'm not sure whether it's how she usually posts or whether it's because she's having a hard time scumming, as was the case last time I played with her. If nothing else comes up, I'll likely vote for her, but my heart's not quite in it yet.

Eh? Has Flare had a sex change?

We have the full first day to discuss and vote. The day won't end if we reach a majority; possibly if we're unanimous, but I can't see that happening any time soon. We can unvote as many times as we wish, if we wish, and votes (for those of us who still have them) are not locked in. I see no reason not to vote. Surely everyone's seen something they aren't completely happy with? Because if they haven't then they're either not paying attention, or deliberately ignoring it. So when people (like darkdragon, for instance) feel uneasy about voting "early" (after a night zero and 24 hours in day one), I fail to understand.

[Hinckley]

To clarify about my confusion on PirateDave/DarthPotato, Piratedave did bring up Flare as one of several of the quieter ones among us for a mayoral candidate.

My thoughts exactly... at least we know what's up now. With that cleared up I will

Vote: Darkdragon

...with good reason. Better reasoning than with Flare or Big Cam in my opinion, at least. She's been saying some really odd stuff, such as wanting to discuss an SK/psycho more than a scum killer, claiming one is more of a threat than the other. Really, there's no reason to not discuss anything. I can sort of see where she may have been coming from by wanting discuss something in particular in order to get a read on other people (and their thoughts on the SK, or whatever killer we're assuming it to be), but not saying that discussing the scum kill is a waste of time. Then there's the business with Flare and how she and Hinckley both mayor'd him right away. I still don't understand why you'd use your single mayor vote right away without second thoughts.

On top of that, some noticed that she was online all of yesterday but didn't really say much. I know this is a secondary concern, and something that should not be read into too closely, but I know that when I'm "busy" I'm not clicking on EB at least once every 20 minutes so that I'm on the active user list. Again, not very important, I know, but something worth at least pointing out.

Ugh, not being able to vote sucks.

Forgive me seeming a bit crazy, but I responded to your first post by phone and once I went back and read everything I didn't realize you made two separate posts (and missed all the posts in between) and now saw you placed a vote. Not sure that made sense, or why I'm pre-empting this statement with babbling, but I am, because it's going to seem like a contradiction.

While I metagamed your statement earlier and suspected you for a moment, I agree with the reasoning behind your vote. I think, if I could vote, my vote would be with TrumpetKing still, maybe I would've switched to Flare by now, but I think I could get behind a vote on DarkDragon. She was the first person I questioned today and the responses were never very satisfactory.

Also, you guys seem to be forgetting that there appears to be two roleplay Actions out there. Big Cam is a two year old pooper and babdoy is in love with Adam.

babdoy! :

[Adam]

This is quite a bit to sort through so I'm taking my time with my responses to the latest developments. Based on the evidence presented thus far, I think it is most likely that Flare guessed the puzzle correctly and sent his answer off to def.

"Qu'est-ce que" is a common phrase in French and is extremely recognizable. Looking at the semi-completed picture that Hinckley put out at the end of Night Zero, the most helpful and obvious words were "1977 hit" and "-ce". It's possible that someone recognized the "-ce" and googled "1977 hit qu'est-ce", which would have brought up "Psycho Killer". However, determining the answer would have been much easier with Flare's piece, which reads "que", another indicator of French (or similar romance languages). Googling "1977 hit que" gets you nowhere, but recognizing the "-ce" and combining it with "que" could easily get you the answer if you have even basic knowledge of French or similar languages.

Of course, it's difficult to make an unbiased judgement of how difficult the puzzle was with X amount of information seeing as we already know the answer. However, it is very safe to conclude that Flare had the most and most useful information by the end of the night. Personally, if I still had my vote, I would vote for Flare: he's one of the top three suspicious players today, and if he did indeed get the puzzle right, then there's a chance he's a scum with an invincible killer role.

Also, you guys seem to be forgetting that there appears to be two roleplay Actions out there. Big Cam is a two year old pooper and babdoy is in love with Adam.

babdoy! :

Is it so difficult to believe that he loves me because of how beautiful my hat is? Or must you insist that I am only lovable if a roleplay action makes it so?

[Hinckley]

Or must you insist that I am only lovable if a roleplay action makes it so?

Yes. I must insist that only the victim of a roleplay Action could find you smexy.

[def]

And as Bob told us in Heartlake, the world evolves around def...

No no no! Not bob. It was Scuba the guy everyone is glad isn't playing this game. His comeback after the humorous malapropism was exposed? "def mixed up your and you're once." No one has ever accused him of being a dashing wit. More of a blunt instrument. (Neither bob or Scuba are playing, so this just for the sake of keeping the facts straight.)

Please read posts 56, 59, 60, 61, 64, 69

http://www.eurobrick...50#entry1452349

Vote Tally:

Flare 6 (Pandora, CorneliusMurdock, Trumpetking x 2, Big Cam, Darkdragon)

Big Cam 1 (Zepher)

TrumpetKing 1 (DarthPotato)

Darkdragon 1 (JimBee)

Ineligible to vote: CallMePie, Adam, Hinckley, Scouty, Alopex, Flare

About 15 hours to go.

[Zepher]

Hinckley already kinda responded to this, but why do you feel the need to 'close the gap'? Will 'closing the gap' bring out new information in some way? Given that we don't need to reach a majority, I doubt it, so then why do this?

Everyone voting for one person will give us zero voting record to go off of. I was presenting another option for a lynch- one that I thought personally hadn't given us much of anything. I don't understand the case against Flare and would rather get rid of someone who has said lots but done little.