Eurobricks Mafia Day One: Let the metagaming begin!

[Nightshroud99]

Now we lost two townies last night with two kills. Going by most typical games of life, that I have read about on my fancy e-reader, there is usually a vigilante, a scum godfather, and a serial killer. The latter not always included.

Obvious information I know, however to reiterate there were only two kills last night. Seeing how Lord def mentioned a bloodthirsty killer, I'm going to assume one of the killings was a serial killer given that it's MO is killing everyone.

That leaves the other kill to either the scum or vigilante. I'm going to guess the latter, why?

Well, the scum are split into two teams and don't know each other. One team of killers (plural!!!) and one team of recruiters. The killing team might have held off because they don't want to kill one of their own; and they also may have more than one kill.

3. What’s the gimmick?

Good question! Here’s the situation. The scum will be broken down into two teams on the same side. One team of killers, and one team of recruiters. They will not know each other, and will at no point be confirmed by the host by any night actions. They will be able to recruit a higher number than average.

There may have been a recruitment last night, and if higher than average means what I think it does (duh) they can possibly recruit twice a night.

This being said, I think the second kill was the vig because he/she has nothing to lose really and has to contend with two scum teams. It's too bad the target was incorrect. My metagaming isn't very good so I can't comment on the choice of targets, other than that they were both not big A-listers of the EB mafia world. I'm assuming there is a vig because if there wasn't I think we'd all be FUBAR.

My conclusion is that we may have gotten off lucky in terms of kills, the death count might have been higher. Though there may also be more scum now because of conversions.

[Piratedave84]

I find it odd that someone who has barely spoken is being elected mayor. You guys have found a reason to justify it but I still find it suspicious.

Yes, yes, this is a giant conspiracy!

If you don't feel comfortable with Flare being mayor, encourage others to vote for you!

If that is the case, then you aren't understanding what I'm saying at all.

No I wasn't but now I do, I read your most recent post after writting mine and now get that you meant the opposite!!!!!; I was off!

Still at this point both theories are valid; we have nothing to go on so all theories are plausible

[Darkdragon]

I'm assuming there is a vig because if there wasn't I think we'd all be FUBAR.

I'm not quite sure you understand what that acronym means.

[Piratedave84]

Now we lost two townies last night with two kills. Going by most typical games of life, that I have read about on my fancy e-reader, there is usually a vigilante, a scum godfather, and a serial killer. The latter not always included. Obvious information I know, however to reiterate there were only two kills last night. Seeing how Lord def mentioned a bloodthirsty killer, I'm going to assume one of the killings was a serial killer given that it's MO is killing everyone. That leaves the other kill to either the scum or vigilante.

It was also said that this game would be unusual, so all bets are off; we can speculate as much as we want but the reality is that we cannot know for a fact what God has planned for us; only time will tell ... hopefully sooner than later!

I'm not quite sure you understand what that acronym means.

Fuc**ed up beyond any recognition

[CorneliusMurdock]

Suspect away, bow-head. You have a better candidate, besides yourself, in the mean time? I don't want to elect an ugly troll with hair from the Sitcom Friends.

Words hurt, you know, shorty. Really, I think you're just jealous of my good looks.

Not knowing anyone else's alignment, no, I don't have any better candidates than myself. But I really don't need any. I'm not sitting in a corner saying nothing, but I'm also fairly transparent. How would we ever know if a lurker was converted?

Besides, if the position was really all that throw-away, why vote for anyone? If it's important enough to vote for, it should be someone who will pay attention to what's happening and can at least attempt to figure things out on their own.

And I pledge to all o my consituents that I will not be swayed by either Hinck or Shadows privately. I've most definitely learned from my mistakes.

Mayor: CorneliusMurdock

[Darkdragon]

Fuc**ed up beyond any recognition

yes, i know what it means. In the context of this, situation, it doesn't make sense. Anyway, not really something to argue about. I don't agree with most of what Nightshroud said in his post but that struck me as kinda wacko.

I do think it is futile at this point to make any assumptions of what killer killed what person. If one of them hadn't been town, we could much more easily figure this out but at this point we are just spinning our wheels. Spinning in the mud and wasting our day is exactly wht the scum would want, so let's keep that in mind too.

[Hinckley]

Now we lost two townies last night with two kills. Going by most typical games of life, that I have read about on my fancy e-reader, there is usually a vigilante, a scum godfather, and a serial killer. The latter not always included.

Obvious information I know, however to reiterate there were only two kills last night. Seeing how Lord def mentioned a bloodthirsty killer, I'm going to assume one of the killings was a serial killer given that it's MO is killing everyone.

So, judging by this nonsensical rambling, your definition of MO differs greatly from the real definition. You are also doing a great job of providing a long post with next to no substance. A great three paragraph summary. Ping.

It was also said that this game would be unusual, so all bets are off; we can speculate as much as we want but the reality is that we cannot know for a fact what God has planned for us; only time will tell ... hopefully sooner than later!

We can call him def. He stood up on the balcony. It's just def, not God.

Yes, someone could've been converted. Only certain people can be converted though, so it would be lucky on the part of the converting team. We hoepfully also have a vig, but why would a vig go for either one of those people?

I do think it is futile at this point to make any assumptions of what killer killed what person. If one of them hadn't been town, we could much more easily figure this out but at this point we are just spinning our wheels. Spinning in the mud and wasting our day is exactly wht the scum would want, so let's keep that in mind too.

Brilliant. How do you propose we spend it then that would be productive?

So, Capt. Redblade doesn't even appear to have posted in the Night Zero thread. He'd, therefore, make a great vig target, but I don't think the vig would be so sadistic and chainsaw-y. I stand by the idea that Capt Redblade makes a great serial killer target.

[Scouty]

I don't trust any of you. Wow oh wow. While we lost two town due to killers last night, we might've also lost another to conversion, unless the recruiters chose the wrong target. So we could've lost three people last night...

Hinck, I did it with black backgrounds so I could cut the white out easier. I could've changed it, but too bad . Also, a part of me feels that electing Flare is a scum ploy. It really couldn't be, and it probably isn't, or maybe you'd be unknowingly electing a scum. Or as scum you're choosing a townie to elect. I'm going to stop before it gets too confusing . Anyway, I'm going to wait to hear from Flare before making my choice for mayor, or just go with someone entirely else.

[Darkdragon]

Brilliant. How do you propose we spend it then that would be productive?

Talking is a good idea, as always. Being snarky to people is obviously the way some people have decided to handle the day.

I've already seen too many times where there are two kills on night one (I do realize it was night zero) and the next day is filled with these kind of "oh that must have been the vig and that the scum" etc theories which can send us down the wrong path. Once you get so far, it can be impossible to come back to the right line of thinking, especially for those who have huge egos that can't admit any mistake.

So what can we do? Well, how about we try discussing how many scums there might be? What about discussing how we can combat the psycho? By the way, to all you scums, the psycho is just as much a danger to you as us, so you might want to help with that too.

As for my part, I am currently more worried about the psycho than the scum. He needs to be stopped soon, and if there is a therapist to fix him, then he will be able to help the town instead of trying to kill everyone.

I don't trust any of you. Wow oh wow. While we lost two town due to killers last night, we might've also lost another to conversion, unless the recruiters chose the wrong target. So we could've lost three people last night...

If they did try a conversion and it failed, would that mean that they already know the identity of someone on the other team? That's really worrisome that they could merge or whatever so soon.

[Piratedave84]

yes, i know what it means.

I should have know you did!

So, judging by this nonsensical rambling, your definition of MO differs greatly from the real definition. You are also doing a great job of providing a long post with next to no substance. A great three paragraph summary. Ping.

Ping, indeed!

Nightshroud, what did you mean by "MO"?

We can call him def. He stood up on the balcony. It's just def, not God.

LOL, I'm not sure how to do this .... the setting here is .... unusual ... meta is encouraged, people have their own names .... this will be fun!

Yes, someone could've been converted. Only certain people can be converted though, so it would be lucky on the part of the converting team.

This puzzles me; my thoughts are that anyone that is not scum can be converted however this could also mean that a certain amount of us can be converted which brings the question: What happens if a non-convertable (convertible?) person is targetted?

Brilliant. How do you propose we spend it then that would be productive?

IT'S A DANCE PARTY!!!! Womp! Womp! YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAA

[Big Cam]

Poop stuck, poop stuck.!

Mayor: Flare

I likes the ideas of not normal man being boss.

[Nightshroud99]

Nightshroud, what did you mean by "MO"?

Modus operandi.

I'm not quite sure you understand what that acronym means.

f*cked up beyond all recognition, which is what we would be after a few kills.

[CMP]

So, Capt. Redblade doesn't even appear to have posted in the Night Zero thread. He'd, therefore, make a great vig target, but I don't think the vig would be so sadistic and chainsaw-y. I stand by the idea that Capt Redblade makes a great serial killer target.

Some vigs off the quieter people in order to distance themselves from the scum. But I do agree that the chainsaw doesn't strike me as townie.

I'm okay with electing Flare. I guess he is less likely to be metagamed, and, well, there's no real reason not for him to be mayor at this point. Since we've only got 24 hours to elect one....Mayor: Flare.

So what can we do? Well, how about we try discussing how many scums there might be? What about discussing how we can combat the psycho? By the way, to all you scums, the psycho is just as much a danger to you as us, so you might want to help with that too.

Discussing theories as to the allegiances of the killers isn't productive, but worrying about how many scum there are is, as is publicly asking the scum to help find the probable serial killer?

[Scouty]

Right. I've usually found that speculating on who killed who isn't overly all that productive...at least on Day One, when we have so little evidence to make a certain match.

Speculating on the number of scum is more helpful. My best guess would be that there are 3 guys on both sides. Plus/minus one guy.

[Darkdragon]

Discussing theories as to the allegiances of the killers isn't productive, but worrying about how many scum there are is, as is publicly asking the scum to help find the probable serial killer?

In my opinion, yes. But hey, we all have our own opinions.

[Hinckley]

Talking is a good idea, as always. Being snarky to people is obviously the way some people have decided to handle the day.

I've already seen too many times where there are two kills on night one (I do realize it was night zero) and the next day is filled with these kind of "oh that must have been the vig and that the scum" etc theories which can send us down the wrong path. Once you get so far, it can be impossible to come back to the right line of thinking, especially for those who have huge egos that can't admit any mistake.

So what can we do? Well, how about we try discussing how many scums there might be? What about discussing how we can combat the psycho? By the way, to all you scums, the psycho is just as much a danger to you as us, so you might want to help with that too.

As for my part, I am currently more worried about the psycho than the scum. He needs to be stopped soon, and if there is a therapist to fix him, then he will be able to help the town instead of trying to kill everyone.

If they did try a conversion and it failed, would that mean that they already know the identity of someone on the other team? That's really worrisome that they could merge or whatever so soon.

I wasn't snarky. I called you brilliant. That's a compliment. What great questions you've thrown out with nothing to add of your own. So, tell me, what good does discussing how many "Scums" there are. I think there are six, three and three. There, I discussed it instead of just throwing out a question. You're more worried about the psycho killer? Why? And how do you suggest we focus on him or her? Try to guess who it is and vote them out? OK, tell us who you think it is then. And the Scum should help us get rid of the serial killer, you're right. So, Scum, just reveal yourselves and join the hunt for the Scum. It's just so easy.

But, no, let's not discuss the kills that we've seen. That would be a waste of time...

Modus operandi.

And how would someone's Modus Operandi be "to kill everyone"?? I doubt you understand what Modus Operandi means...

Sorry, but again, DarkDragon, I don't understand how, as a Townie, you would be more concerned about one killer than another, let alone the fact that one of us could be converted at any time. Ping. You got a ping. Congratulations. The only reason I could imagine worrying more about the serial killer is if you are Scum yourself. I admit I could be wrong, but it just sounds weird.

[Piratedave84]

My best guess would be that there are 3 guys on both sides. Plus/minus one guy.

I think there are six, three and three.

Wouldn't 3 recruiters to start with be a bit heavy handed? I aggre with the 3 killers but as far as recruiters, I would be more enclined to think 2 or even one to start with. If the recruiters are able to recruit at a "higher rate than usual", it would take no time to have 12 recruiters and no town; I say 2 recruiters which can each recruit 1 person per night.

: And how would someone's Modus Operandi be "to kill everyone"?? I doubt you understand what Modus Operandi means... .

[Darkdragon]

I wasn't snarky. I called you brilliant.

Right. If you say so, sure. Thanks! I am brilliant, you are 100% correct.

Discussion is what I am saying, don't take my words and twist them into meaning something else. How could I not be more worried about a psycho? Why aren't you? Why do you keep trying to steer the conversation away from him? There are two scum teams, that's a lot of chance for us to catch them rather than one needle in the haystack, so yes I'm worried about him more than scum at this particular moment.

Who do I think is the killer or scum? No idea! That's the whole point of discussing things. Hell, keep discussing the kills from last night and who you think killed whom since that's what you think is more important today. My original point was that there's really no sense to be made from the deaths when we have nothing to compare any of it to. It's like putting a dot on a graph and saying "now which direction is the line going?", it's impossible to figure out without a second dot and anything would be a pure uninformed guess.

Anyway. Carry on with your pinging.

[Hinckley]

Right. If you say so, sure. Thanks! I am brilliant, you are 100% correct.

Discussion is what I am saying, don't take my words and twist them into meaning something else. How could I not be more worried about a psycho? Why aren't you? Why do you keep trying to steer the conversation away from him? There are two scum teams, that's a lot of chance for us to catch them rather than one needle in the haystack, so yes I'm worried about him more than scum at this particular moment.

Who do I think is the killer or scum? No idea! That's the whole point of discussing things. Hell, keep discussing the kills from last night and who you think killed whom since that's what you think is more important today. My original point was that there's really no sense to be made from the deaths when we have nothing to compare any of it to. It's like putting a dot on a graph and saying "now which direction is the line going?", it's impossible to figure out without a second dot and anything would be a pure uninformed guess.

Anyway. Carry on with your pinging.

Well, since a psycho wants to kill everyone, including Scum, I find him less or equally as disconcerting as the Scum. In past metagaming instances, the serial killer has even helped the Town although def said he wouldn't let one win with the Town, so I don't think that's the case. However, thinking someone that also kills Scum is more concerning than the Scum themselves seems Scummy to me. Add to that you addressing the Scum as if you couldn't possibly be one yourself and you're lecturing and admonishing them seems like over-done posturing. But maybe that's just your play style. We've only played together once as Scum, so I'm not really sure how to metagame you.

And you are brilliant, so I'd like to have you figured out sooner than later. So, while I wasn't suggesting we talk about which killer is which all day, I don't think we should tell anyone what not to discuss. All discussions are opportunites to catch someone in a lie. So why stop people from discussing things? And why tell people to just focus on the serial killer? "Hey Scum, help us find the serial killer." "Hey everybody, psycho killers are scary, let's focus on him instead of the two groups of people who can take us out much more quickly." Everything you said was weird.

[Darkdragon]

Everything is a good discussion, even seeing how people react to what I said, and what you said, and what anyone said.

I don't see a problem in suggesting to the scum that they should help locate the psycho (which is not the same thing as a standard SK, but I know you know that). I mean really, what does it hurt to say that? I'm totally open to hear why.

[Rick]

Oh no! People died! Who would have thought? Sucks both of them were town though.

And, oh my, you people talk a lot.

If they did try a conversion and it failed, would that mean that they already know the identity of someone on the other team? That's really worrisome that they could merge or whatever so soon.

I think def implied that not all townies are convertible, which would also fit with the two scum sides having no way to confirm each other.

The quick voting for Flare is a little suspicious to me, especially considering unvoting for mayor is not allowed. I don't trust any of you, but the only townie move I've seen the previous night is Piratedave84 providing his piece of the puzzle together with his thoughts on what might be on the puzzle. While he was googling for the answer himself, his post was enough for someone else to solve the puzzle. Unless he's playing us and he posted after sending in the correct answer (which would be pretty clever), it was a move I don't see the scum make.

And why is Cam trying to get himself lynched by talking poo all day and posting puzzle pieces too late to be useful?

[Hinckley]

It doesn't hurt to say it. But, the perspective is worrying. Why is a psycho more concerning? They kill Scum as well as Town. We should be equally concerned about both, maybe even moreso the Scum. But you said we should discuss things and then offered no insight to any of those things. You said you wanted to find the psycho but didn't want to discuss which one was their target. OK, so without the next dot in the line, how do we focus on the psycho? You said we should focus on the psycho killer, asked a bunch of questions and when called out, can't produce any discussion about these things. If you really wanted to discuss these things, you could start discussing them, but instead have chosen to defend yourself against my questions. So, where's your discussion about this stuff? Help us get into deeper discussion about your concerns instead of just posing questions that you have no input on yourself.

And what is the difference between a psycho and a serial killer? I've never encountered a psycho in a game.

And, oh my, you people talk a lot.

The twist is that Dragonator disguised himself as Rick. Are you going to be worthless as well?

[Darkdragon]

And what is the difference between a psycho and a serial killer? I've never encountered a psycho in a game.

Well, a psycho I think would have a counterpart to stop him, a therapist who needs to find and cure him so that he can then be part of the town. Additionally, maybe, this is just a wild megablocks guess so don't put too much stock in it, maybe the psycho is our vigilante but not until he is cured. Why wait until day 6 for all the crazy theories when we can start now?

So, you do make some good points there about the pics and how can we figure things out. I'll take a stab at it and say I think Cecilie was killed by the psycho. I think the psycho is someone who knows how smart she is and has played closely with her. Scum night one kills are usually metagamed for another reason or not metagamed at all, depending on who the team is, which makes me think the killing scum team is low on "veterans", to put it bluntly.

[Rick]

The twist is that Dragonator disguised himself as Rick. Are you going to be worthless as well?

I offered another option for the mayor vote. Your vote for Flare was rather random, but perhaps it's even more worrying that there were a couple of people who were really quick to agree with you.

So, you do make some good points there about the pics and how can we figure things out. I'll take a stab at it and say I think Cecilie was killed by the psycho. I think the psycho is someone who knows how smart she is and has played closely with her. Scum night one kills are usually metagamed for another reason or not metagamed at all, depending on who the team is, which makes me think the killing scum team is low on "veterans", to put it bluntly.

You sound like you have someone in mind who would want to kill her.

[Scouty]

Wouldn't 3 recruiters to start with be a bit heavy handed? I aggre with the 3 killers but as far as recruiters, I would be more enclined to think 2 or even one to start with. If the recruiters are able to recruit at a "higher rate than usual", it would take no time to have 12 recruiters and no town; I say 2 recruiters which can each recruit 1 person per night.

I don't think all the recruiters are able to recruit. Just one a night. Maybe only one of them is a recruiter and the others have investigative roles to find out who is and who isn't recruitable. They may be called Recruiters, but really they're a group of people working to one goal: recruit people. Like wise for the killing side. Each side has roles tailored to their namesakes, including their title roles. I agree that they can probably only recruit one person a night, whether they are 3 or two...I don't know...like I said, plus/minus one person. But that's the number I'd place it at. Around 5-6 scum total.

Then there is the psycho, so that's 6-7 non-town folk, at least.