Eurobricks Mafia Day Two: Moonlight Medicine

[Hinckley]

*waltzes*

All alone,

wondering how it came to this.

Scouty's words

are weird and he's not singing his.

I doubt him

I think I made that clear

But if I were a Scummy-Scum

why would I blow apart his idear?

To vote me,

You have to think I'm the pscyho

So vote me,

if you think I go kekeke-ko

But listen

one last time to me please

If Scouty is not Scum then

Why did he say "well done" to me?

I'm not backing down.

Listen to me, clearly.

If you're opposite my side, then well done, I guess. If not, then you will be shooting yourself in the foot. Would you like to know who I am and how I'm not the scum killer?

The watcher

Why does Scouty trust him?

When we see

We all would like to bust him

We all see

how the watcher would switch sides,

so why do you not question

Scouty's trust of him?

I thought that

he maybe claimed his role to

DarkDragon

and that's why she sought the psycho.

But Scouty

says he doesn't know why

so I still think she could be psych

and why then would we have a seer?

Again, why,

if Scouty is the seer,

would he tell me so easily

when the psycho could be me?

*waltzes, waltzes*

[Hinckley]

We probably don't. You're the only one ranting and raving about the psychiatrist. No where in her post does she say, Oh ya, I'm the psychiatrist. it was just a wild theory.

*waltzing, sadly, rags, etc*

Hey poopy,

Why would she say it?

She's not stupid,

She wouldn't come out and bray it.

Still careless,

to even hint a bit at it,

but why would you dismiss it so

when she could he hinting at it?

Hinckley, why are you putting so much faith in her guess?

Well, let's see...

The psycho killer killed her.

Well some killer did

and she feared the psycho killer

The answer

that I would like to know is

Why are you so quick to dismiss

that the role she had could be this?

We don't know

Which killer is which

The MOs

and Scouty's claims make me twitch

Who's who?

The questions start to brew.

And figuring it out makes me shout

with all the craziness about.

Maybe it was the horses, either way this proves there are day kills, so Scouty's reasoning is making more and more sense, while your theory is,....... well never really did make sense.

How is this?

You say my theory never made sense?

Elaborate

what was it in the pretense?

It makes sense

or why would I insist?

The holes in his claim still show

and that makes me persist.

*waltzing, interpretive waltz for some flavor, rags, shooting, cholera, death, waltzing*

[def]

Vote Tally:

Hinckley 13 (Zepher, Tammo, Shadows, Big Cam, Pandora, TrumpetKing, Piratedave, Nightshroud, JimButcher, Alopex, CallMePie, Rick, Adam)

Scouty 1 (Hinckley)

Yet to vote: Scouty, badboy, iamded, DarthPotato, TinyPies, Dragonator

Just under 17 hours left in the day.

[badboytje88]

I know it's not needed for the lynch but I too will

Vote: Hinckley

Sorry Hinck but Scouty's story just makes more sense than yours.

[Hinckley]

*waltzes*

Scouty, why

Did you edit out that one message?

At least

It looks like you re-dressed it.

The one that

Appears in the same size font

That your response is typed in

But the quotes have smaller font.

*waltzing*

[DarthPotato]

Vote: Hinckley

When Hinckley made that one post in the Night 1 thread, saying that Dragonator and Shadows could be trying to unite the two scum teams by getting HInckley to contact them, could he have been hinting at something towards them? Like he wanted them to contact him about the two teams because he thought they were scum? Here's the post too (I had to copy/paste it because you can't quote posts from locked threads):

"It's possible that either Draggy or Shadows is so focused on me or so suspicious because they think they know my Town and Scum tells so well that if they keep pushing me they'll see which side I'm on and can unite the two teams. I just thought it was odd that they pushed so hard for the vote during the day and I'm sitting here analyzing more of their behavior and they're not answering to it at all. Maybe they were just looking for my Scum tells so they could feel confident in contacting me and uniting the two teams. Or they think by displaying their own Scum tells, I would contact them and try to link up."

[Shadows]

When Hinckley made that one post in the Night 1 thread, saying that Dragonator and Shadows could be trying to unite the two scum teams by getting HInckley to contact them, could he have been hinting at something towards them? Like he wanted them to contact him about the two teams because he thought they were scum? Here's the post too (I had to copy/paste it because you can't quote posts from locked threads):

It wouldn't surprise me, he's always obsessed with us as a pair even more than he is with us individually. If that was his intent, we can see how well that worked out for him. I can't speak for Draggy, but anyone who gives me any indication that they're scum is only going to get you on my radar for lynching, as it almost did with Scouty and his pm.

On the subject of Scouty, it might be a good time to suggest investigating him tonight in an attempt to make sure we aren't being duped. If he turns out town, then his role claim would also be true, which would at least temporarily clear me as well (a weak doctor is a combination of protector and investigator and will die when targeting any non-town and that is the role he's both named and described). Obviously either of us could be converted after that, assuming that's possible to do to us, so any result for anyone on any day is always temporarily valid, but it's better than nothing.

Sadly, this is going to be one of those check and recheck kinds of games where we can't ever trust anything for long.

[JimBee]

On the subject of Scouty, it might be a good time to suggest investigating him tonight in an attempt to make sure we aren't being duped. If he turns out town, then his role claim would also be true, which would at least temporarily clear me as well (a weak doctor is a combination of protector and investigator and will die when targeting any non-town and that is the role he's both named and described). Obviously either of us could be converted after that, assuming that's possible to do to us, so any result for anyone on any day is always temporarily valid, but it's better than nothing.

Sadly, this is going to be one of those check and recheck kinds of games where we can't ever trust anything for long.

Are you just assuming this? To me it sounds like Scouty is explaining his role, known as Seer, as something that can protect the target from day kills. While this may be less powerful than a regular doctor in some cases, I don't think we can jump to the conclusion that he will die if he targets scum, as per mafiawiki's definition of a weak doctor.

[Dragonator]

It has certainly been an interesting day, and I feel we have made progress. Now that we've clarified Scouty I'm pretty confident he's telling the truth, even if the truth is pretty bizarre.

I do find it somewhat interesting how easily people have jumped on Hinck after this though. Not without good reason it seems, but the badwagon does seem to have formed very quickly. I don't think his song and dance helped much, but I think he may have just jumped the gun somewhat on Scouty. Or perhaps it was a ploy to try and distract us from what we were discussing earlier? Who knows. At this stage the lynch is pretty much confirmed anyway, and I do think we'll learn something from his death.

My concern at this stage is that a lot of the discussion around other people has been lost in the mix today. Not sure if that was done intentionally, but it has happened. We have a lot of lurkers, and I think we'll likely find some of our scum amoung those lurkers that have just followed along hesitantly. I guess we'll at least have lots to analyse come tomorrow.

Since I need to vote I'll throw mine on the pile: Vote: Hinckley.

[Shadows]

Are you just assuming this? To me it sounds like Scouty is explaining his role, known as Seer, as something that can protect the target from day kills. While this may be less powerful than a regular doctor in some cases, I don't think we can jump to the conclusion that he will die if he targets scum, as per mafiawiki's definition of a weak doctor.

I went by the full page on weak doctor, which is what he told me he was. It's one thing to assume we're being taught a lesson about metagaming each other and quite another to assume the host would literally mislead the person being assigned the role. I think that's a silly theory, and one that other PRs could verify for themselves by seeing if their roles correspond with what they're called.

That said, verifying that he is town, even though it's a temporary confirmation, would at least tell us that we weren't misled by him. Obviously there's no way to be sure what the host is pulling on us, especially in light of the way the kills have been timed.

[Scouty]

I've been saving my vote for somebody else I suspected (and I felt voting for Hinckley would not be my place to do so since the lynch option was between him and me, I don't want to just do retaliatory votes...). I haven't found someone else who I suspect that I'd want to place my vote for yet...my mind has been sort of occupied .

Anyway, since we're required to vote, I'll Vote: Hinckley, though if there's anyone else I'd rather have my vote for, I'll just unvote and vote for them.

[JimBee]

I went by the full page on weak doctor, which is what he told me he was. It's one thing to assume we're being taught a lesson about metagaming each other and quite another to assume the host would literally mislead the person being assigned the role. I think that's a silly theory, and one that other PRs could verify for themselves by seeing if their roles correspond with what they're called.

That said, verifying that he is town, even though it's a temporary confirmation, would at least tell us that we weren't misled by him. Obviously there's no way to be sure what the host is pulling on us, especially in light of the way the kills have been timed.

Okay, so Scouty claims to be a weak doctor? I must have missed this somehow... in any case, I agree with you, it would be at least a temporary confirmation that he was telling the truth. But I wouldn't put too much trust in any "investigations" he has. I'm not sure he is actually a Weak Doctor.

[Hinckley]

Obviously either of us could be converted after that,

The funny thing is that I can't be converted

*waltzes*

No, you can't.

You've already told us that.

Did you forget?

Or is this a recant?

*waltzing*

[Hinckley]

and I do think we'll learn something from his death.

*jazz square, grape vine, tappity tap, top hat*

Come on babe,

what will you really learn?

*tap tap* When you see I'm Town?

Tell me what you'll see

when you lynch me.

*tap tap* Then you see I'm Town.

Since I need to vote I'll throw mine on the pile: Vote: Hinckley.

I'll Vote: Hinckley, though if there's anyone else I'd rather have my vote for, I'll just unvote and vote for them.

Weird that you two

voiced the loudest boo

yet you held your vote

until the last boat

What were you waiting for?

Why not place your vote before?

It's cause you know I'm Town

and don't want me around.

You know *tap, tap* I'm *tap, tap* Town.

I went by the full page on weak doctor, which is what he told me he was. It's one thing to assume we're being taught a lesson about metagaming each other and quite another to assume the host would literally mislead the person being assigned the role. I think that's a silly theory, and one that other PRs could verify for themselves by seeing if their roles correspond with what they're called.

That said, verifying that he is town, even though it's a temporary confirmation, would at least tell us that we weren't misled by him. Obviously there's no way to be sure what the host is pulling on us, especially in light of the way the kills have been timed.

Oh! I like to see the shady Shadows blame

The game host!

He! just loves to blame the weirdness of games

on The game host!

Oh, the weak doctor was "tacked on"

You blame the host, but Scouty quacked on

The "Seer" part in and of itself is unusual and not as described on mafiawiki (which is explained as a werewolf role thingy), so it'd be my guess that' just the name def came up with it. The weak doctor, that was tacked on. I'm not a complete doctor, I don't protect people the immediate night or whatever the typical role is. I'm rather limited in how I protect people. Perhaps that's the "weak" part about it. Though if it is as it is defined on mafiawiki, then that'd be interesting. Difficult to know for sure, though...

How could a role be

just a "mention", you see?

It's not *tap, tap* the *tap, tap* host.

There's also mention of "weak doctor", as I've said. Nothing else besides the puzzle piece is mentioned.

I've been saving my vote for somebody else I suspected (and I felt voting for Hinckley would not be my place to do so since the lynch option was between him and me, I don't want to just do retaliatory votes...). I haven't found someone else who I suspect that I'd want to place my vote for yet...my mind has been sort of occupied .

Anyway, since we're required to vote, I'll Vote: Hinckley, though if there's anyone else I'd rather have my vote for, I'll just unvote and vote for them.

Scouty now,

why would you disavow

from retaliatory?

You have the most reason

charged me with treason.

What's your story?

Okay, so Scouty claims to be a weak doctor? I must have missed this somehow... in any case, I agree with you, it would be at least a temporary confirmation that he was telling the truth. But I wouldn't put too much trust in any "investigations" he has. I'm not sure he is actually a Weak Doctor.

Come on folks,

can you not read the songs?

*tap, tap* What the heck?

I'm trying so hard

to channel The Bard.

*tap, tap* so, what the heck?

I didn't do anything to Shadows. I protected him. More or less. I'm a weak doctor. My role is titled the Seer. I can see anyone who is going to die in the day and prevent their death. The description goes on to say that it's a night action that will be effective the next day. This has gotten me to think that there's a day killer, though there hasn't been evidence of one so far...it's a bit confusing. I targeted you night zero, because, well, you know, the usual, but I was blocked.

I tried protecting you again last night, but you can't do the same guy on consecutive nights, so I switched to Shadows. I didn't really know who else. Choosing DD or CM wouldn't have done me any good, since I only protect people the next day, or something like that.

So you see,

A claim of weak doctor,

a typical Scum claim

convenient claim to doctor

If he dies,

we'll think he targeted Scum but,

in the mean time he targets

people, making targets up:

I imagined things to be so very complicated. That there was more than meets the eye. Tell me it's not worth trying? And with a role like mine. A weak doctor, what does that entail? What does that tell?

The "Seer" part in and of itself is unusual and not as described on mafiawiki (which is explained as a werewolf role thingy), so it'd be my guess that' just the name def came up with it. The weak doctor, that was tacked on. I'm not a complete doctor, I don't protect people the immediate night or whatever the typical role is. I'm rather limited in how I protect people. Perhaps that's the "weak" part about it. Though if it is as it is defined on mafiawiki, then that'd be interesting. Difficult to know for sure, though...

There's also mention of "weak doctor", as I've said. Nothing else besides the puzzle piece is mentioned.

That's a damn good point TPRU. Maybe that has something to do with it... although I still don't really understand. Weak doctor? What does that even mean, like protecting from one particular killer or something?

Oh, I love this Town!

I'll gladly die!

To bring the Scum down!

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall *tappity, tappity, tappity* Thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooose *tappity, tappity, tappity* Scuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum!

*tappity, tappity, tappity, tap, tap, top hat flip, tappity tap*

[Shadows]

*waltzes*

No, you can't.

You've already told us that.

Did you forget?

Or is this a recant?

*waltzing*

It means I believed it when I said it, but am starting to doubt everything in this damn game.

[Scouty]

Oh, the weak doctor was "tacked on"

You blame the host, but Scouty quacked on

How could a role be

just a "mention", you see?

It's not *tap, tap* the *tap, tap* host.

Ok, pal, sit your pants down. I've asked def for further clarification and he has obliged, most graciously.

I am a weaker version of the doctor role. I can only protect people from day kills. The seer role (seer=weaker doctor) is modeled after the "antidote" role (though def thought "weak doctor" would be an easier comparison to make to understand the role, since the "antidote" is a role made in EB and not in the mafiawiki).

So there it is. I'm not a "weak doctor", and thus that means that Shadows is not verified by my targeting him. Not to say he's not trustworthy (he's got a nice smile), he's just not verified through my role.

Weird that you two

voiced the loudest boo

yet you held your vote

until the last boat

What were you waiting for?

Why not place your vote before?

[...]

Scouty now,

why would you disavow

from retaliatory?

You have the most reason

charged me with treason.

What's your story?

I've said this before, I'm sure, but I'll repeat it here. I did not know if you were a town who wanted to turn a "scum" over, a scum trying to get rid of me, or the psycho killer. I've been told that you can't be the psycho killer, so I can strike that off the list. That just leaves me of believing you as town or scum. All this time I've debated with myself, all this time you've been talking about and information has come and gone. My affiliation needle is going back and forth with you. I couldn't place my vote on you until I was sure, or at least more certain. To do so would only be out of retaliation for your attacks on me. I looked for other suspects that I could vote for, but so far my mind has just been occupied on you and me and the arguments here. I placed my vote because we are required to. The day is drawing to a close and I wont be awake for when it closes, so I'd rather get it in now.

[Hinckley]

Ok, pal, sit your pants down. I've asked def for further clarification and he has obliged, most graciously.

I am a weaker version of the doctor role. I can only protect people from day kills. The seer role (seer=weaker doctor) is modeled after the "antidote" role (though def thought "weak doctor" would be an easier comparison to make to understand the role, since the "antidote" is a role made in EB and not in the mafiawiki).

So there it is. I'm not a "weak doctor", and thus that means that Shadows is not verified by my targeting him. Not to say he's not trustworthy (he's got a nice smile), he's just not verified through my role.

*jazz hands*

It's good of def to,

verify for you,

*tap, tap* how your role works.

I see that you wrote

that def said there's no antidote

*tap, tap* on mafiascum

Poison Doctor

Poison Doctor Alias: none Alignment: any Role type:

• Protective
  
• Linked
  

Choice:

• Night
  

A Poison Doctor is a role that prevents players from being affected by poison. In roles where there is no Poisoner, it is a Named Townie.

Usually, but not quite always, the Poison Doctor's action only works on the Night that the Poisoner targets its victim. Check with the moderator if you are unsure.

Aside from the notion of saving a player from an impending kill, Poison Doctor bears no relation to Doctor.

Poison Doctor is usually Town-aligned.

Use and Power

Because it only protects against a single type of kill that does not manifest itself immediately, Poison Doctor is slightly weaker than Firefighter, which is noticeably weaker than Doctor.

It strange of def to

make a boo-boo

I guess he didn't read

not condemning, I concede...

But, this second part

stabs me in the heart

Why no *tap, tap* one *tap, tap* sees...

I've said this before, I'm sure, but I'll repeat it here. I did not know if you were a town who wanted to turn a "scum" over, a scum trying to get rid of me, or the psycho killer. I've been told that you can't be the psycho killer, so I can strike that off the list. That just leaves me of believing you as town or scum. All this time I've debated with myself, all this time you've been talking about and information has come and gone. My affiliation needle is going back and forth with you. I couldn't place my vote on you until I was sure, or at least more certain. To do so would only be out of retaliation for your attacks on me. I looked for other suspects that I could vote for, but so far my mind has just been occupied on you and me and the arguments here. I placed my vote because we are required to. The day is drawing to a close and I wont be awake for when it closes, so I'd rather get it in now.

Oh! You didn't know if I was Scum or Town,

but you roleclaimed

Oh! You say mentioned two other members of Town

when you roleclaimed.

Oh, you know I'm not the killer!

So, why you being such a pill sir?

You think I'm Twat or Scum,

But think about it, chum,

Why would Scum *tap, tap* out *tap, tap* you?

There are many suspects

for you to check

I listed *tap, tap* a *tap, tap* few!

When you were trying to

see if I was a Scummy-do,

Why did you roleclaim?

If you're the only way,

to keep day killers away,

Why did you roleclaim?

If the watcher dude

had a Scum attitude

why did you trust him?

You didn't claim to him,

although you trust him

Why no claim to him?

You never said Town,

you kept saying friend,

you said opposite side

you brought Shadows in

You edited a quote

and ignored the notes

when we asked *tap, tap* you *tap, tap* why.

*tappity, tappity tap tap*

Oh, I love this Town!

I'll gladly die!

To bring the Scum down!

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall *tappity, tappity, tappity* Thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooose *tappity, tappity, tappity* Scuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum!

*tappity, tappity, tappity, tap, tap, top hat flip, tappity tap*

[Shadows]

So there it is. I'm not a "weak doctor", and thus that means that Shadows is not verified by my targeting him. Not to say he's not trustworthy (he's got a nice smile), he's just not verified through my role.

Fair enough, it isn't as if we could rely on any result for more than a day anyway.

Oh! You didn't know if I was Scum or Town,

but you roleclaimed

That would worry me more if people didn't seem to roleclaim to you all the time when they can't know what you are. I'd be more worried if he'd claimed to me first.

[Scouty]

unvote: Hinckley

I'm no longer confident in voting for Hinckley. We've been having some heated talks and I just can't vote for him. He's town. The scum know this. I wouldn't be surprised if the scum helped propagate the bandwagon. So many have voted for Hinck, after all. There are several people I'm looking at who have "pinged" my radars. They are Tammo (You were quick to vote for me and I didn't understand your reasoning very much), Zepher (as much as I appreciate your support, I can see it as scummy, supporting either of us would be good, since the debate/argument/catfight was so polarized that your support to either side would put you in a good light...though that is only speculation), JimB (you summarized the day and placed your vote for Hinck as everybody else was doing it, on top of suspicions raised from the previous day), and Rick (this one I'm much less sure, but I feel your behavior today was suspicious. I'm looking at it through a scum perspective and I would say it's behavior a scum could make...again, more speculation). I apologize if I'm wrong on any of you, but I'd prefer to voice my suspicions than let them go with me to the grave.

As we're required to vote (I dislike this rule), I'm going to Vote: JimButcher, just because I couldn't yesterday since Banana Sphinx stole our votes and my suspicions still continue.

[def]

Vote Tally:

Hinckley 16 (Zepher, Tammo, Shadows, Big Cam, Pandora, TrumpetKing, Piratedave, Nightshroud, JimButcher, Alopex, CallMePie, Rick, Adam, badboy, DarthPotato, Dragonator)

Scouty 1 (Hinckley)

JimButcher 1 ( Scouty)

Yet to vote: iamded, TinyPies

About eight hours left in the day.

[Hinckley]

*trumpet flourish*

*dons twenties-era, raggedy costum and dances a jitterbug*

Now we see the

day's work coming

to fruition

What a day!

I agree to

unvote: Scouty

verify him

another way!

*tappity, tappity, jitterbugity-do*

[Rick]

Hey poopy,

Poopy doesn't seem to be in the mood to reply. Even without all the poo-talk, he hasn't been much more helpful today than he was yesterday.

On the subject of Scouty, it might be a good time to suggest investigating him tonight in an attempt to make sure we aren't being duped. If he turns out town, then his role claim would also be true, which would at least temporarily clear me as well (a weak doctor is a combination of protector and investigator and will die when targeting any non-town and that is the role he's both named and described). Obviously either of us could be converted after that, assuming that's possible to do to us, so any result for anyone on any day is always temporarily valid, but it's better than nothing.

You seem very keen to stress you're not converted or at least prove you aren't. It makes me wonder how you could be so sure you couldn't be converted earlier.

At this stage the lynch is pretty much confirmed anyway, and I do think we'll learn something from his death.

If he's town, I doubt we learn much from his death.

My concern at this stage is that a lot of the discussion around other people has been lost in the mix today. Not sure if that was done intentionally, but it has happened. We have a lot of lurkers, and I think we'll likely find some of our scum amoung those lurkers that have just followed along hesitantly. I guess we'll at least have lots to analyse come tomorrow.

If Hinck turns up town, I think we should definitely be looking at the people who have been trying to turn this into a Scouty versus Hinck day, perhaps in an attempt to divert attention away from other suspects.

Ok, pal, sit your pants down. I've asked def for further clarification and he has obliged, most graciously.

I am a weaker version of the doctor role. I can only protect people from day kills. The seer role (seer=weaker doctor) is modeled after the "antidote" role (though def thought "weak doctor" would be an easier comparison to make to understand the role, since the "antidote" is a role made in EB and not in the mafiawiki).

The traditional "seer" is a Cop, not a Doctor role. The first thing you mentioned when asked for clarification on your role was that you could "see" who was going to die in the day. I know you can't quote your Role PM, but could you paraphrase how the "seeing" aspect comes back in your role description? The same goes for the "weak doctor" aspect.

Would you also mind sharing your reservations on the watcher? I've asked twice before. The last time right before you posted, so you may have missed it

I apologize if I'm wrong on any of you, but I'd prefer to voice my suspicions than let them go with me to the grave.

I guess it's good that you call me scummy, as we're all supposed to be a little scummy. If it's because I've been questioning your role all day, then, yes, some of those concerns still stand. But, as I said before, Cecilie's kill wasn't clearly a day kill to someone unaware of the existence of a day killer, so that means you knew there was a day killer (as you claimed to Hinck before Danny's death today). If Shadows wasn't protected, you're basically cleared of being the day killer yourself. In that light, it would be interesting to know if someone else was seen targeting Shadows. Did the watcher see someone else?

[Hinckley]

*20's, swing, charleston, ambiguous setting, jazz*

In comparing

notes with Scouty

we found someone

we both suspect

It may be too

late fore tide change

But with info

I'll be direct

Hey Pandora,

Thanks for helping

a little too helpful

For me to trust!

You were consistent

Every instant

Talking to find

If you could trust!

I told you I’d

Contact suspects

You never checked in

On the busts!

You told me to

Reveal Scouty

Later you said

I was unjust!

You said if I

turn up Townie

Scouty is lynched!

Why is that?

Why would Scouty

be Scum if I

am a Townie

Explain that.

I think that's a

Scum perspective

Hinck vs. Scouty

Opposites spat

If the case is

based on Scum tells

other Townies

do not see

It won't matter

if I'm Townie

they still see Scouty's

honesty.

vote: Pandora

I am sorry

your behavior

cautioned me.

You were the one

contacting me

most of any

all day

If Town acts Scummy

who's the nicest?

That was you

in a way.

You were helpful

but somewhat prying

telling Scouty

everything.

So if someone

was trying

to pry and connect

that would be you.

I know I could

be wrong but

Scouty thought that

you were Scummy too.

With me, you'll lose,

someone important

but I still feel

I should go

Think about it,

It will clear up

many things that

the Town should know

If I'm wrong a-

bout Pandora

One dead Townie,

and about Hinck you still won't know

I have other

suspicions

I have told you,

read again.

When you see I

am a Townie

you can figure

them out then.

*jitterbug, swing, kick, turn, kick, kick, 20's dance break, sax solo*

[Scouty]

The traditional "seer" is a Cop, not a Doctor role. The first thing you mentioned when asked for clarification on your role was that you could "see" who was going to die in the day. I know you can't quote your Role PM, but could you paraphrase how the "seeing" aspect comes back in your role description? The same goes for the "weak doctor" aspect.

I interpret the "seeing" as purely role play and no true significance to the meaning of my role. I think we can establish that the labels here are a little misdirected...But still, I think that the "seeing" bit is that I see my target getting killed in the future and I make the heroic leap to save them. Or I just see them sitting around doing nothing in the future, and I thus do nothing to prevent it. It's a seer in that I look into the future to prevent the death of people during the day.

Would you also mind sharing your reservations on the watcher? I've asked twice before. The last time right before you posted, so you may have missed it

I more or less trust him. At least enough to the point that I want to give him a chance to prove himself. I think I've said this before.

I guess it's good that you call me scummy, as we're all supposed to be a little scummy. If it's because I've been questioning your role all day, then, yes, some of those concerns still stand. But, as I said before, Cecilie's kill wasn't clearly a day kill to someone unaware of the existence of a day killer, so that means you knew there was a day killer (as you claimed to Hinck before Danny's death today). If Shadows wasn't protected, you're basically cleared of being the day killer yourself. In that light, it would be interesting to know if someone else was seen targeting Shadows. Did the watcher see someone else?

Ah, you're right, we are all supposed to act scummy. Before talking with Hinck and all this mess, I thought about the day killer and was waiting on day one for one to happen. I was looking for it to happen in the middle of the day, like Danny's, and not in the morning like Cecilie's. So, I totally overlooked that fact, even with the knowledge that there could be a day killer (from as much as I could guess about a day killer in my role)

[Rick]

I interpret the "seeing" as purely role play and no true significance to the meaning of my role.

Sorry to keep going on about this, but the first thing we've heard of your role claim today came from a PM to Hinck.

I didn't do anything to Shadows. I protected him. More or less. I'm a weak doctor. My role is titled the Seer. I can see anyone who is going to die in the day and prevent their death. The description goes on to say that it's a night action that will be effective the next day. This has gotten me to think that there's a day killer, though there hasn't been evidence of one so far...it's a bit confusing. I targeted you night zero, because, well, you know, the usual, but I was blocked.

Here you suggest you can see 'anyone' who's going to die at the hands of the day killer and, if you see 'can' as also applying to 'prevent' (that's an if), have the choice to prevent their death or not. It's why I've been asking if you could indicate more clearly how exactly the 'seeing' aspect comes back in your role. I understand that so far you haven't effectively protected anyone from the day killer, and there's only a slim chance you will, but you seem to suggest now that if you target the victim of the day killer you will 'see' that they were targeted. Given your description, I don't understand what's there to 'see'. Your results so far have just been 'unsuccessful' and 'successful' and have not specified whether Shadows was targeted for a kill or not?

I more or less trust him. At least enough to the point that I want to give him a chance to prove himself. I think I've said this before.

I remember you saying you trust him, but you also expressed your doubts about whether he indeed was a watcher. That's what I've asked you to clarify.

Furthermore, can the watcher clear you of being the day killer, i.e. did he see anyone else target Shadows on night one?