Scouty Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Like I said before, Hinck and I had a very heated discussion and I feel that he is town. Even when we were discussing this last attempt to save his life, he still held reservations on Pandora, that she could be town and that we could be paranoid and rushing our choices of who to vote for. If he was scum, he'd have posted this saving grace with little hesitation. Like Hinck said, we've checked our notes and I really think that Pandora could be scum. If she's town, then I'm sorry to say, but I think Hinck is more important in what he has than Pandora, if she is just a vanilla townie. It sounds awful, I know, but if we're faced with a town loss today, I'd rather it not be Hinck's life... Then again, she can also be scum. Here's my reasoning on why I think she is. Among several other people, Pandora contacted me looking for clarification on my role. Overall she's been pretty town in her PM to me, so I at least opened a little to her. She's been quite helpful, really. Though, there's some things in there that concern me. For one, I showed her the watcher's PMs (name scratched out, of course) of his clarification of why he said he watched me when he really watched Shadows. I wanted her opinion on this. Pandora thinks the watcher is scum. She seems sure of it. I know that the watcher very well could be scum, but I still had belief that he's town. Plus, several others I've talked to, think that the watcher is town. Then a thought came to me. If she's scum, she'd want me to doubt the watcher. The other instance was when she was the only one I told about the clarification that I'm only a weaker doctor before I said so in the main thread. I said I wasn't sure if I should keep that fact hidden, to deprive the scum of the knowledge and somehow use the misinformation of "weak doctor" doctor variant to my benefit. She gave vague advice and told me to do whatever I could do to protect myself. One more instance is that she felt that I should (as did I and it was my idea, too) to share the name of the watcher to somebody I trust. She made note that I shouldn't pick her (which is a towny thing to do). Now, in a game where we're supposed to look Scummy, as Hinck's said, here's Pandora looking towny. To me, by comparing our notes together (something I'm sure Pandora would not expect Hinck and I to do after our squabbles), we can see that Pandora is up to something by contacting me and hinck and other people, too. Again, I apologize if I'm wrong, and I'm really very sorry that this is happening so very late and giving hardly anybody a chance to think about it or for Pandora to defend herself adequately...but it's a choice that I'm making that we have to save Hinck and I think Pandora is the best option to take his place. If we can't get the votes to flip the lynch, then we'll at least have tomorrow to debate with Pandora and Hinck's confirmed, dead body to work off of. I'd just rather save Hinck, that's all Unvote: Jimbutcher Vote: Pandora It's 4:30 a.m. now, I'm going to bed , it's up to you on what you want. I've made my case.
Scouty Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Sorry to keep going on about this, but the first thing we've heard of your role claim today came from a PM to Hinck. Here you suggest you can see 'anyone' who's going to die at the hands of the day killer and, if you see 'can' as also applying to 'prevent' (that's an if), have the choice to prevent their death or not. It's why I've been asking if you could indicate more clearly how exactly the 'seeing' aspect comes back in your role. I understand that so far you haven't effectively protected anyone from the day killer, and there's only a slim chance you will, but you seem to suggest now that if you target the victim of the day killer you will 'see' that they were targeted. Given your description, I don't understand what's there to 'see'. Your results so far have just been 'unsuccessful' and 'successful' and have not specified whether Shadows was targeted for a kill or not? It's nearly 5 a.m., so please do forgive me if my brain is interpreting your questions incorrectly ! I don't have the choice to prevent the death or not. I don't know why people keep saying that...I don't recall saying something like. I just protect people like a normal protector would. Nothing complicated about it. The only thing is, is that I protect the person I chose the previous night from being harmed by a day killer. The seer stuff is just detail that has no significance than just to make it interesting/justified how I could protect people in the day. Like, with my cool seer powers, I see into the future and, gasp! A man is being trampled by elephants! So, with such foreknowledge, I'm there on hand to push the poor man away from the hoofs (is it hoofs? from elephants? I don't know, it's 5 am :P ) and save him. I don't know if there'd be a discrepancy if I protected a scum or a towny. But, and here's the detail that I think is throwing you off, my seer powers don't work on a broad spectrum, I have to pick a specific person at night to look into their future and see if they are going to be killed in the day or not. There is no choice but my choosing a specific person I want to protect the night before. Just like a protector/doctor. As for results...well, it's only been two nights/two days, and the first night I was blocked. That I was told so, and as a result of the block I was unsuccessful, obviously. I got no message that I was successful or not after targeting Shadows, but I assume I was successful, in that he's not dead now and I didn't need to take action to save him.I remember you saying you trust him, but you also expressed your doubts about whether he indeed was a watcher. That's what I've asked you to clarify. Oh, I have no doubt he's a watcher. He accurately caught me targeting shadows, and I believe his clarification on his mix up. I can't be sure if he's scum or town...but I'm giving him a chance to prove himself. Furthermore, can the watcher clear you of being the day killer, i.e. did he see anyone else target Shadows on night one? It's clear that I'm not the day killer. I was blocked Night Zero, when Cecilie died, and was seen targeting Shadows Night One, who is not dead, obviously. He didn't mention if he saw anyone else targeting Shadows. I feel if he had, he would have told me.
Dragonator Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 It's been an interesting day, as I mentioned before. As the day has gradually progressed I've actually been leaning more and more towards Hinck being town. I know, shock horror! He was acting pretty scummy in my eyes, and it has take na while for me to gradually reach this conclusion, just through observation and some brief private sparring with him. I think it is likely too late to save him, but I have the feeling that we've been somewhat misguided into voting for him just because he wanted to out Scouty... Pandora on the other hand, isn't adding up in my eyes. She seems to be doing everything she can to appear how she usually does. The aggression towards Shadows earlier on... it just seemed a little forced. With everything else going on though, it seemed to slip under the rug, as have many other things. What she has said privately to Hinck and Scouty also rings some alarm bells for me, particularly her certainty that the watcher is scum. I don't see any reason why that could be an absolute certainty from what I have read. I think you're right Rick, if Hinck shows up town we don't really learn anything. If he showed up scum that would be a different matter, as it would definitely confirm a few things. But I'm seriously doubting he actually will turn up scum at this point. I urge anyone that is around to vote for Pandora and give our waltzing singer another chance at the stage. I sure hope I don't regret trying to save his megablocks... but I think it;s the right thing to do at this point. Unvote: Hinckley. Vote: Pandora.
Rick Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 But, and here's the detail that I think is throwing you off, my seer powers don't work on a broad spectrum, I have to pick a specific person at night to look into their future and see if they are going to be killed in the day or not. There is no choice but my choosing a specific person I want to protect the night before. I understand how the role works as you explained it, I was simply trying to relate it to your PM with Hinck. I think it was the "anyone" in your PM that threw me off, but I guess that could mean "anyone of your choice". Pandora on the other hand, isn't adding up in my eyes. She seems to be doing everything she can to appear how she usually does. The thing that stood out to me in Hinck's and Scouty's accusations was that she apparently told Hinck that Scouty will be lynched if Hinck shows up Town. I sure hope I don't regret trying to save his megablocks... but I think it;s the right thing to do at this point. Has Hinck claimed to anyone why he's so important to the Town?
Shadows Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Like I said before, Hinck and I had a very heated discussion and I feel that he is town. Given that I suspected him on day 1, I was probably a little quick to continue that way of thinking after being convinced that you were telling the truth, but if I'm going to believe part of your story, I can't ignore the rest. So... Unvote: Hinckley I hope I don't regret this, but if the two of you are pulling something together, it would have to be the most elaborate and ridiculous thing since ... some crap that I pulled at some point. I don't think either of you is that good, don't prove me wrong. To me, by comparing our notes together (something I'm sure Pandora would not expect Hinck and I to do after our squabbles), we can see that Pandora is up to something by contacting me and hinck and other people, too. This is one of the things that makes me feel a little better about unvoting, I've had my own suspicions of Pandora, and a couple of others, since yesterday. At one point I held a theory that has since been proven wrong, and in proving it wrong, it's made a lot of things clearler to me. I have no intention of explaining that, it would only aid the scum, and I'm afraid we've all done too much of that already. Which leaves me to... Vote: Pandora The thing that stood out to me in Hinck's and Scouty's accusations was that she apparently told Hinck that Scouty will be lynched if Hinck shows up Town. And that is particularly troublesome given that there is no logical reason to jump to that conclusion, it's like setting us up for a series of failures and it's a pretty classic scum move, one I did far too many times to the point that I had to stop doing it because it was so obvious. Has Hinck claimed to anyone why he's so important to the Town? Everyone who is part of this town is important to this town. Specifics only help the scum, so let's just stick to the general: we can't afford to make mistakes, we don't know what kind of opposition we're facing and every townie counts. I find the use of "(knowingly)" in the rules to indicate that the balance between town and scum may be a lot closer than we're used to, all hinging on them finding each other. As a result, we need to avoid losses at all costs. While I'm not sure that this vote will achieve that goal, it feels a lot more right after taking the time to read everything and look at the big picture as opposed to all the tiny scenes that played out along the way.
iamded Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 My vote was gonna be for Scouty and his crazy day kill implications, but with the day kill actually happening that changed things a lot huh. I don't believe Hinck to be scum either, so I'll vote: Pandora.
Pandora Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 I told you I’d Contact suspects You never checked in On the busts! What busts? I wasn't aware there was anything to check in on there. You told me to Reveal Scouty Later you said I was unjust! I listed it as an option, that's all. You said if I turn up Townie Scouty is lynched! Why is that? Because everyone else seemed to accept Scouty's clarification of things, and you kept pushing, kept questioning and kept saying you thought things were inconsistent. Thus, in my eyes, if you showed up town it would indicate to me that perhaps you were right all along. The irony is that during our conversations last night I was coming around to the idea you were town, but I asked why you were trying to convince only me and not everyone else. Why would Scouty be Scum if I am a Townie Explain that. Because as of last night you vehemently believed he was, and seemed to be the only one still pushing for him to be lynched. I think that's a Scum perspective Hinck vs. Scouty Opposites spat No, I said I thought you had made the day into a 'you vs Scouty' day. Whether others agree with me is up to them, but others have equally looked back at the day and seen it as a 'Hinck vs Scouty' day. You did mention a couple of other suspects, but you really didn't expand on them or pursue them. It won't matter if I'm Townie they still see Scouty's honesty. Honesty that I was trying to convince you of and you only noticed last night? You were the one contacting me most of any all day If the vote is based on how much we talk, then you are the right candidate today. If Town acts Scummy who's the nicest? That was you in a way. I'm trying to work out what you're saying here, but I'm going to assume that you think that townies will be rude and scum will be sweet? There are a few people who might not see me as very nice, and I already told you that I'm playing the same game I always play because everyone always gets it wrong. As seems to be happening now. You were helpful but somewhat prying telling Scouty everything. I didn't tell Scouty everything, by any means. And if by prying you mean I was asking questions, then yes, of course I was but I was asking you for clarification on events, just as I was asking Scouty for clarification on his role. With me, you'll lose, someone important Same here. Like Hinck said, we've checked our notes and I really think that Pandora could be scum. If she's town, then I'm sorry to say, but I think Hinck is more important in what he has than Pandora, if she is just a vanilla townie. That's actually a very big if right there. Huge, in fact. For the record, again, I am town. Then again, she can also be scum. Here's my reasoning on why I think she is. Among several other people, Pandora contacted me looking for clarification on my role. Overall she's been pretty town in her PM to me, so I at least opened a little to her. She's been quite helpful, really. Though, there's some things in there that concern me. Uhm? For one, I showed her the watcher's PMs (name scratched out, of course) of his clarification of why he said he watched me when he really watched Shadows. I wanted her opinion on this. Pandora thinks the watcher is scum. She seems sure of it. I know that the watcher very well could be scum, but I still had belief that he's town. Plus, several others I've talked to, think that the watcher is town. Then a thought came to me. If she's scum, she'd want me to doubt the watcher. No Scouty, I am not sure of it and never said so, but I do think, based on the conversation you posted, that he might be scum. I told you in private and I'll say it again that the 'clarifications' you received might well have been the result of a scum team realising what one of their scummy number had been spouting in private and seeking to limit any damage from it. It doesn't mean I'm sure they are scum, and the very last message I sent to you said so. The other instance was when she was the only one I told about the clarification that I'm only a weaker doctor before I said so in the main thread. I said I wasn't sure if I should keep that fact hidden, to deprive the scum of the knowledge and somehow use the misinformation of "weak doctor" doctor variant to my benefit. She gave vague advice and told me to do whatever I could do to protect myself. You edited that piece of information into that PM, I can tell by the e-mail notification, and because of that I didn't see it. I'm not saying you did that scummily, but you did do it, hence my 'vague' advice about telling you to find some way to protect yourself, especially considering everybody has pretty much come out and said they believe you. One more instance is that she felt that I should (as did I and it was my idea, too) to share the name of the watcher to somebody I trust. She made note that I shouldn't pick her (which is a towny thing to do). Now, in a game where we're supposed to look Scummy, as Hinck's said, here's Pandora looking towny. I'm going to really struggle to defend myself of being scum, by being accused of being towny. To me, by comparing our notes together (something I'm sure Pandora would not expect Hinck and I to do after our squabbles), we can see that Pandora is up to something by contacting me and hinck and other people, too. What am I up to? I contacted Hinck because he'd been hit with the crappy night action stick and I wanted to understand better what he was saying. I contacted you because I wanted to clarify some things about your role, as apparently so did others. I haven't PMed anyone else, and nobody else has PMed me. So there are no 'other' people. And I have no fear about you and Hinck comparing notes, go right ahead. Hinck's already said it's consistent. Again, I apologize if I'm wrong, and I'm really very sorry that this is happening so very late and giving hardly anybody a chance to think about it or for Pandora to defend herself adequately...but it's a choice that I'm making that we have to save Hinck and I think Pandora is the best option to take his place. If we can't get the votes to flip the lynch, then we'll at least have tomorrow to debate with Pandora and Hinck's confirmed, dead body to work off of. Scouty, you are making a huuuuge mistake, you really are. I'm town, and town doesn't want to lose me. You've put me in an awful position, but if you're willing to give so many other people a second chance, then you should do the same with me. Oh, I have no doubt he's a watcher. He accurately caught me targeting shadows, and I believe his clarification on his mix up. I can't be sure if he's scum or town...but I'm giving him a chance to prove himself. You have the same thoughts on the watcher as I do. That you can't be sure if he's scum or town, which is exactly what I said. Pandora on the other hand, isn't adding up in my eyes. She seems to be doing everything she can to appear how she usually does. The aggression towards Shadows earlier on... it just seemed a little forced. With everything else going on though, it seemed to slip under the rug, as have many other things. What she has said privately to Hinck and Scouty also rings some alarm bells for me, particularly her certainty that the watcher is scum. I don't see any reason why that could be an absolute certainty from what I have read. I'm not certain the watcher is scum, and I never said that. I've been doing everything I can to appear how I usually do? Really? Actually, I've just been playing the same game I always do, because people always get it wrong, and they're never quite sure. Need I remind you of Ragnarok? I can assure you that the aggression towards Shadows wasn't forced; I found inconsistencies and I questioned them - that's what I always do. The thing that stood out to me in Hinck's and Scouty's accusations was that she apparently told Hinck that Scouty will be lynched if Hinck shows up Town. I mentioned it before, but I'll explain again. My exact words to Hinck were: "If you show up town then I would want to lynch Scouty tomorrow". This is after a barrage of PMs from Hinck stating again and again and again why he thinks Scouty's scum. I told Hinck yesterday that I was becoming more unsure about whether he was scum, and with that in mind is it not appropriate to think that the one person Hinck had been gunning for all day might actually be scum if Hinck is town after all? Hinck has now changed his mind and it sounds as if he no longer thinks Scouty is scum, so now that he seems to have quelled his own concerns about Scouty, my view last night is no longer valid. It may not be a viewpoint that others agree with, but it was how I saw it last night. I am town, and lynching me would be very unhelpful. Right now I also believe Scouty and Hinck to be town too, and I'm glad there's now focus on another suspect, but to say that I'm disappointed that it's me would be putting it mildly. I believe there is a very good chance you would want to keep me alive over Hinck, town though I believe him to be.
badboytje88 Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Oh my I am really torn. Do I switch my vote to Pandora do I leave it on Hinck.... I think it is safe to say we can trust the watcher, untill proven that we can't trust him. I somehow just can't believe god would bless team scum with a watcher. That would unbalance this game of life tremendously in favor or team scum. So her doubting that kind of sets off my bells.
MagPiesRUs Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Hinckley and Scouty have both seemed like townies to me throughout the day, which is why I've been hoping a realistic alternative would come up. Personally, I feel like Piratedave would be a good candidate for lynching, especially after he attempted to reconcile with me in private, where he admitted his vote for me was purely vindictive, and not because he found me scummy in any way. However, it is interesting that Pandora has apparently been defending Piratedave in private with Hinckley. It's also interesting that both Pandora and Piratedave have suggested that if either Scouty or Hinckley turn up as town, we should lynch the other one tomorrow. Vote: Pandora I admit that I'm not 100% confident in this lynch, but I feel it's a better choice than Hinckley.
def Posted January 18, 2013 Author Posted January 18, 2013 Vote Tally: Hinckley 14 (Zepher, Tammo, Big Cam, Pandora, TrumpetKing, Piratedave, Nightshroud, JimButcher, Alopex, CallMePie, Rick, Adam, badboy, DarthPotato, ) Pandora 6 (Hinckley, Scouty, Dragonator, Shadows, iamded, TinyPies) Just under three hours left.
Piratedave84 Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Hum..... I am willing to believe Scouty and Hink on this one. They have been arguing in public and private all day and now seemed to have reached a valid conclusion, hence: Unvote: Hinckley. Vote: Pandora.
Pandora Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 I've said it before, I think Hinck and Scouty are both probably town, but you're making a massive mistake in voting for me. If you don't want to vote for them, fine, but not me. Give me better reasons, so I can at least defend myself and prevent this catastrophe. And in response to TPRU, I wasn't defending Dave, I gave my opinion on him, which Hinck had asked for. I have also explained what I said about Scouty, and explained that it's no longer valid.
Rick Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 I've said it before, I think Hinck and Scouty are both probably town, but you're making a massive mistake in voting for me. If you don't want to vote for them, fine, but not me. I think everyone is coming around to the idea they could both be Town. At the same time, I don't really think there is a case against you. Besides the statement about lynching Scouty if Hinck turns up Town, the "case" against you consists of you being "too Townie". And without even knowing Hinck's role (I assume), you seem adamant you're important to the Town, so I think it's too risky to vote you off today. But I'm not really comfortable with leaving my vote on Hinck either, so I will Unvote: Hinckley Given that I'm not comfortable with voting for Scouty, Hinck, or Pandora, and we have to vote, I will place my vote with someone who I think has been acting suspicious all day (I'm sure he'll say we're supposed to act scummy in reply to this). He's hopped on every bandwagon that was forming and his earlier suspicions of Hinck seem to have vanished. He also seems very concerned with being "verified" through the investigation of Scouty and "forgot" he claimed to be unconvertible in the process. Vote: Shadows I realise that if the votes will be close or tied between Hinck and Pandora, I may be forced to chose sides later on anyway...
Hinckley Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 *jazz hands* What a late night time was tight *tap, tap* What the megabluck? unvote: Pandora I'll explain for ya' *tap, tap* I'm a stupid megabluck. I think RIck's vote is right I don't know why my sight didn't choose a vote that better tipped the vote It's a long story and I am not ready So, what *tap, tap* the *tap, tap* megabluck! I'm busy right now but in an hour will say how *tap, tap* I conclude You should unvote for me but don't swap Pandora for me *tap, tap* I have leads accrued I'm getting ready for work, I can explain this quirk I think I will be lynched so my suspicions, I'll cinch. There's time left in the day for me to confess away, I think *tap, tap* I learned *tap, tap* some stuff. *jazz hands*
Shadows Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 (I'm sure he'll say we're supposed to act scummy in reply to this) When I'm scummy, I pick a vote and stick to it without giving any consideration to changes in the situation because literally, they don't matter. I don't think I've acted at all scummy, nor have I intended to as part of some silly attempt to trick the scum out into the open. I'm not a fan of the York method of play. He's hopped on every bandwagon that was forming and his earlier suspicions of Hinck seem to have vanished. As I stated when I unvoted, for much the same reasons as you, I should note, I was still concerned that it wasn't the right decision. I've also expressed that to him and Scouty privately, so no, my suspicion of him isn't gone, it's just that other factors have started to make sense and I'm voting accordingly. He also seems very concerned with being "verified" through the investigation of Scouty and "forgot" he claimed to be unconvertible in the process. When the role Scouty described was being called weak doctor, it did see like a good opportunity to use part of that role for it's intended purpose, but even then I said it wasn't anything more than a temporary indicator, so I think you're overstating that considerably. As for the rest, I explained that to you in private, including the reason why I wouldn't explain it here. To even bring it up again seems particularly scummy in that light, especially since you admitted to already knowing the answer. Vote: Shadows I realise that if the votes will be close or tied between Hinck and Pandora, I may be forced to chose sides later on anyway... You can't decide between them, but are more than willing to vote for either later if you're "forced" to. Very interesting.
def Posted January 18, 2013 Author Posted January 18, 2013 Vote Tally: Hinckley 12 (Zepher, Tammo, Big Cam, Pandora, TrumpetKing, Nightshroud, JimButcher, Alopex, CallMePie, Adam, badboy, DarthPotato) Pandora 6 (Scouty, Dragonator, Shadows, iamded, TinyPies, Piratedave) Shadows 1 (Rick) About an hour and a half left
Rick Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 As I stated when I unvoted, for much the same reasons as you, I should note, I was still concerned that it wasn't the right decision. I've also expressed that to him and Scouty privately, so no, my suspicion of him isn't gone, it's just that other factors have started to make sense and I'm voting accordingly. I don't see there being a case against Pandora based on the publicly available information, so to set aside your suspicions of Hinck, you must know something more. When the role Scouty described was being called weak doctor, it did see like a good opportunity to use part of that role for it's intended purpose, but even then I said it wasn't anything more than a temporary indicator, so I think you're overstating that considerably. As for the rest, I explained that to you in private, including the reason why I wouldn't explain it here. To even bring it up again seems particularly scummy in that light, especially since you admitted to already knowing the answer. As if the scum aren't paying attention. Hinck and I both pointed the inconsistency out earlier. If it's only a temporary indicator, why did you even bring up the point in your suggestion to investigate Scouty? You said conversion should be last on the list, so even if Scouty is investigated and found Town, that doesn't say anything about your affiliation, not even tomorrow. You can't decide between them, but are more than willing to vote for either later if you're "forced" to. Very interesting. I didn't say I can't decide between them, I said that, because I think they're likely to both be Town, I'm not comfortable voting for either of them at this point. But if it's clear that it's down to either Hinck or Pandora, I feel like I have to make a choice.
Pandora Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Unvote Hinckley. I have said I am much more inclined to believe he's town, and I can't in all conscience vote for him to save my skin. My skin is worth saving, though. I have to vote, so I'm going to vote Shadows. I pointed out my concerns with your comments many times, some of which you still haven't addressed since this debacle with Scouty and Hinck evolved.
Piratedave84 Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Hinckley and Scouty have both seemed like townies to me throughout the day, which is why I've been hoping a realistic alternative would come up. Personally, I feel like Piratedave would be a good candidate for lynching, especially after he attempted to reconcile with me in private, where he admitted his vote for me was purely vindictive, and not because he found me scummy in any way. However, it is interesting that Pandora has apparently been defending Piratedave in private with Hinckley. It's also interesting that both Pandora and Piratedave have suggested that if either Scouty or Hinckley turn up as town, we should lynch the other one tomorrow. Vote: Pandora I admit that I'm not 100% confident in this lynch, but I feel it's a better choice than Hinckley. Intetesting; if you are not confident in lynching Hinck, then why not vote for me??? I think I missed a beat here; why is Pandora defending me in private? Hinck, what have you been saying in my back?
Shadows Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 I don't see there being a case against Pandora based on the publicly available information, so to set aside your suspicions of Hinck, you must know something more. Well, I spent part of the night listening to Scouty relay the case he and Hinck had against her and then Hinck sending it to me directly and then Scouty wanting to make sure we all changed our votes. It was all based on things I wasn't involved with, so to see that change at this point is a little surprising. As if the scum aren't paying attention. Hinck and I both pointed the inconsistency out earlier. Yes, you're both morons in that regard, to be blunt. It's why I said that we've helped the scum far too much today, and it just continues. I made my own mistake by exposing what Scouty had said to me and should have waited to see if he would say anything more suspicious, so it's the kind of mistake I can understand, but that doesn't make it any better. If it's only a temporary indicator, why did you even bring up the point in your suggestion to investigate Scouty? You said conversion should be last on the list, so even if Scouty is investigated and found Town, that doesn't say anything about your affiliation, not even tomorrow. Everything is temporary in this game if the scum can convert, but it still has some meaning, and when combined with my unconvertable claim, I had hoped the scum wouldn't bother trying. There we go, let's just give the scum the whole damn game when it's absolutely unnecessary to discuss openly and you already knew all of this. Repeating that it doesn't say anything about tomorrow serves no purpose either, I've already said that as well. I didn't say I can't decide between them, I said that, because I think they're likely to both be Town, I'm not comfortable voting for either of them at this point. But if it's clear that it's down to either Hinck or Pandora, I feel like I have to make a choice. That's actually worse, you think both are likely to be town, but you want to decide which one dies if it comes down to that. My skin is worth saving, though. If it was, you'd be more reluctant to say that, you'd probably try to avoid painting a target on yourself. Typically it's the scum who make claims like that, knowing they won't be killed by their own. I have to vote, so I'm going to vote Shadows. I pointed out my concerns with your comments many times, some of which you still haven't addressed since this debacle with Scouty and Hinck evolved. Make a list of what I could have possibly not answered in your various attacks and I'll get to them tomorrow, if either of us survives. I didn't start the situation between Scouty and Hinck, so perhaps you can forgive the distraction that caused me to miss whatever it was.
def Posted January 18, 2013 Author Posted January 18, 2013 Vote Tally: Hinckley 13 (Zepher, Tammo, Big Cam, TrumpetKing, Nightshroud, JimButcher, Alopex, CallMePie, Adam, badboy, DarthPotato) Pandora 6 (Scouty, Dragonator, Shadows, iamded, TinyPies, Piratedave) Shadows 2 (Rick, Pandora) About an hour left
Rick Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Well, I spent part of the night listening to Scouty relay the case he and Hinck had against her and then Hinck sending it to me directly and then Scouty wanting to make sure we all changed our votes. It was all based on things I wasn't involved with, so to see that change at this point is a little surprising. What part of the "case" against her convinced you to change your vote from Hinck to Pandora? As I said, I don't think there's too much of a case against her. Hinck seems to have come around to that idea now too. Everything is temporary in this game if the scum can convert, but it still has some meaning, and when combined with my unconvertable claim, I had hoped the scum wouldn't bother trying. There we go, let's just give the scum the whole damn game when it's absolutely unnecessary to discuss openly and you already knew all of this. Repeating that it doesn't say anything about tomorrow serves no purpose either, I've already said that as well. You were the one who openly disproved your own claim, so please blame yourself for this one. It was all out in the open. Moron. That's actually worse, you think both are likely to be town, but you want to decide which one dies if it comes down to that. If it's between two lynch candidates and who I both think are Town and my vote can still influence which one of them gets lynched, yes.
Pandora Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Well, I spent part of the night listening to Scouty relay the case he and Hinck had against her and then Hinck sending it to me directly and then Scouty wanting to make sure we all changed our votes. It was all based on things I wasn't involved with, so to see that change at this point is a little surprising. So, your vote for me is based on a case made independently by Hinck and Scouty. But Hinck has just unvoted me, yet you're willing to hold your vote on me. Out of interest, if Hinck, Scouty and I weren't potential lynches, who would you choose instead? Make a list of what I could have possibly not answered in your various attacks and I'll get to them tomorrow, if either of us survives. I didn't start the situation between Scouty and Hinck, so perhaps you can forgive the distraction that caused me to miss whatever it was. I'll get to that, but it'll take some time, there's a lot to wade through.
Shadows Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 What part of the "case" against her convinced you to change your vote from Hinck to Pandora? As I said, I don't think there's too much of a case against her. Hinck seems to have come around to that idea now too. Since it was his case that he was using Scouty to push so hard, I think it's best to leave it to him to explain that, especially since it was all centered around private conversations between them and things he said she lied about or tried to use against him that weren't true. He was very insistent that had occurred and what he said sounded truthful to me. You were the one who openly disproved your own claim, so please blame yourself for this one. It was all out in the open. Moron. Whatever, that's really the important part, not whether or not the scum benefit from knowledge that doesn't need to be advertised in case they missed it, right? If it's between two lynch candidates and who I both think are Town and my vote can still influence which one of them gets lynched, yes. Since both are claiming to be PRs, you must know exactly what each one can supposedly do to be able to decide which is less important to the town. It just gets more and more interesting.
TrumpetKing Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 As with others, Hinck is beginning to appear more townie to me. And I know that the lynch against him won't turn around in an hour, but I will unvote him snyways. If he turns up as scum, I don't care how bad that makes me look, I'm town. It's a risk I'm willing to take. Unvote: Hinckley Vote: Pandora I have been unsure about your affiliation for a while. It might be that I've never played a game with you, but something just doesn't seem right here. I'm not sure that I feel super confident lynching you, but I feel that you are appearing more scummy than Hinck. Oh, and sorry for not being as active today, I've been really busy.
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