Dragonator Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Though, you left out one other option, too. Hinck is the psycho killer. Possible, but I can't really see him killing off DD when people knew he had been talking to her privately, and then claiming that she was the psychiatrist.Or perhaps he brought that up as cover... who knows, I'm not convinced of that theory though.
Dannylonglegs Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 It may be worth noting that the chandelier kill apparently happened during the day (note that the other kills took place on night zero and night one): Although the way Scouty has described his role is very strange. From what I understand, he says that he will be told who the day killer will kill each day and he will be given the choice to save them or not. However, that doesn't explain why he would've been targeting Shadows last night... Wow. I didn't notice that! Great find! In my opinion, this verifies Scouty's claim. If he had noticed that (as he would have had to devise the role claim), he would have brought that to the table earlier. Unless TPRU is his scum-mate which would be super sloppy. ~Insectoid Aristocrat
Hinckley Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Wow. I didn't notice that! Great find! In my opinion, this verifies Scouty's claim. If he had noticed that (as he would have had to devise the role claim), he would have brought that to the table earlier. *orphan dance* Don't you think that Scouty would, notice that do some good? Wouldn't he be watching for, Kills that in the day light score? *tappity tappity tap mop tap tap tap*
Tamamono Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 The "Seer" part in and of itself is unusual and not as described on mafiawiki (which is explained as a werewolf role thingy), so it'd be my guess that' just the name def came up with it. The weak doctor, that was tacked on. I'm not a complete doctor, I don't protect people the immediate night or whatever the typical role is. I'm rather limited in how I protect people. Perhaps that's the "weak" part about it. Though if it is as it is defined on mafiawiki, then that'd be interesting. Difficult to know for sure, though... Oh, yeah, I'd think it would be specified if you would die targeting a scummo. Since your role claim is starting to make sense, I will Unvote: Scouty. I honestly can't read your defense (well, I mean, I can literally read it, but I can't get a read as to your affiliation from it), but I can understand a townie fishing for one of the scum teams, and your claim's been straightened out, so you're starting to lean town in my book. Null at least.
Scouty Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Possible, but I can't really see him killing off DD when people knew he had been talking to her privately, and then claiming that she was the psychiatrist.Or perhaps he brought that up as cover... who knows, I'm not convinced of that theory though. Maybe he's not the chainsaw killer? Maybe he's the one who offed cecilie? He did quote it himself that cecilie's killer could be the day killer...though that didn't make him think my role was true when others did so now...
Hinckley Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Oh, yeah, I'd think it would be specified if you would die targeting a scummo. Since your role claim is starting to make sense, I will Unvote: Scouty. I honestly can't read your defense (well, I mean, I can literally read it, but I can't get a read as to your affiliation from it), but I can understand a townie fishing for one of the scum teams, and your claim's been straightened out, so you're starting to lean town in my book. Null at least. *orphan dance* How can this possibly be? He says that his role does see And it has "a weak doctor, tacked on" - a shocker! Why do you buy this? How on Earth could all you fall, when the truth seems very small? I can't believe you can't see through, The lies he's telling you. Why do you buy this? *tappity mop tappity tappity tap mop tap tap tap tappity tappity tap mop mop mop*
Scouty Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 I told him I was the seer and he immediately revealed my name the next morning. He held off on revealing me before, but me saying I'm a seer made him really eager to get rid of me. I'd be a real danger to someone like chandelier guy...
Tamamono Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 *dancing, etc.* Because it is a weak doctor. Antidote/Firefighter is a weak doctor too - in that it can only stop some kills, not others. It seems to line up now, why shouldn't I believe it?
Hinckley Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Because it is a weak doctor. Antidote/Firefighter is a weak doctor too - in that it can only stop some kills, not others. It seems to line up now, why shouldn't I believe it? *orphan dances* If a weak doctor protects A Scum his life is wrecked! That means that he would die if he targeted a Scummy guy, Think about it, Tam! It's common for Scum to claim Weak doctor so they can claim That they're busy every night and the risk is such a fright They must be Town! Not to mention that he claims weak doctor "tacked on" the names! Seer and weak doctor, Nasty cake by Betty Crocker. Think about it, Tam! *Mop taps a little more stompy. Tappity tappy tap mop*
Tamamono Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 *dance* It almost feels like you're strawmanning here; I remember Foog claimed Weak Doctor in IMHOTEP, and I'm sure other scummos have done the same as well in the past, but that's different from what Scouty's claiming.
Hinckley Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 *rags, waltzing, French Revolution* On my own, wondering where the logic went. How can we Really believe Scouty's story bent. A "Seer" who's also a weak doctor? In a game with a psychiatrist, and a witch with no John Protctor? Why would we have a psychiatrist and a seer? That would mean that they can both be healed...er Are you listening? Cuz this sound like crap to me! Why would we have two killers who have counterparts plus Scummy? So, no vig? Oh what the hell is going on? If DarkDragon Was psychiatrist and could bring psycho on... ...the Town side, then are there even three killers? Because if the psycho would be the vig then who would be the third filler? We cannot, have a vig, A Scum and a psycho killer... at least not one Who could become our vig killer. Think about it, if we believe DarkDragon, then Seer is a megablocks claim even if Cecilie was day maimed! *sighs heavily and waltzes sadly...*
Shadows Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Why would we have a psychiatrist and a seer? That would be odd. Think about it, if we believe DarkDragon, You mean if we believe you and even you claim to have figured it out, unless I've missed somewhere that you've said she directly claimed it. I don't think I missed that, did I? I know she didn't claim it to me. Anyone else she was talking to able to confirm that she claimed it?
Hinckley Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 *waltz, dirty rags, French Revolution* In Bloodbrick I, (pardon me while I metagame) The Scum MO, was never quite the same In that game the Scum chose their MO so, if def is doing that again then there's SK and Mafioso. Scouty said, we haven't seen a day kill yet: I didn't do anything to Shadows. I protected him. More or less. I'm a weak doctor. My role is titled the Seer. I can see anyone who is going to die in the day and prevent their death. The description goes on to say that it's a night action that will be effective the next day. This has gotten me to think that there's a day killer, though there hasn't been evidence of one so far...it's a bit confusing. I targeted you night zero, because, well, you know, the usual, but I was blocked. I tried protecting you again last night, but you can't do the same guy on consecutive nights, so I switched to Shadows. I didn't really know who else. Choosing DD or CM wouldn't have done me any good, since I only protect people the next day, or something like that. Yet, three times told later, he finally sees the game creator... ...said "morning" and suddenly he's excited, If he was looking for a day killer he's really quite short-sighted. *waltzes curiously and cleverly*
Tamamono Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 That would be odd. You mean if we believe you and even you claim to have figured it out, unless I've missed somewhere that you've said she directly claimed it. I don't think I missed that, did I? I know she didn't claim it to me. Anyone else she was talking to able to confirm that she claimed it? Didn't he say something like "I could quote what she said, but I'll sing it instead"? He quoted Scouty... I wonder if DD really did drop any softclaims as to being the psychiatrist.
Hinckley Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 You mean if we believe you and even you claim to have figured it out, unless I've missed somewhere that you've said she directly claimed it. I don't think I missed that, did I? I know she didn't claim it to me. Anyone else she was talking to able to confirm that she claimed it? *waltzes* For Christ's sake, do I have to do everything? How do you play so well, without reading anything? Well, a psycho I think would have a counterpart to stop him, a therapist who needs to find and cure him so that he can then be part of the town. Additionally, maybe, this is just a wild megablocks guess so don't put too much stock in it, maybe the psycho is our vigilante but not until he is cured. Why wait until day 6 for all the crazy theories when we can start now? The sheer volume of your songs makes it almost seem like you were prepared for whatever this is, like you did it to yourself to try to seem innocent. * waltzes in dirty rags and glances at the French Revolution* What is this? You think I pre-wrote all these songs? How would I know what would be said by the throngs... ...of people, now this stinks of desperation. Or are you poking fun at me hoping I'm in consternation? * waltzes and glares at Shadows, waltzing, waltzing, waltzing away*
Shadows Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 For Christ's sake, do I have to do everything? How do you play so well, without reading anything? That quote is enough for you to assume she was the psychiatrist, a theory from someone who is assuming a psycho must have someone who can cure them when that's frequently not the case? Even the wiki says: Psychiatrists are rarely seen at all, but where they do exist, they are pro-Town. and Because of its rarity and specific nature, it should be noted that Psychiatrist is arguably more likely to appear without a Serial Killer in the game than with. Let's not forget the rest of her post ... Is the psycho also our vigilante who needs to be cured?
Scouty Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 ...said "morning" and suddenly he's excited, If he was looking for a day killer he's really quite short-sighted. For once something you're saying that isn't a frantic theory.Yes, I'm short-sighted. I didn't understand my role Night Zero and that small little detail completely passed my scope.
Hinckley Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 *waltzes* Oh my God, you're doing this on purpose, But that's OK, cuz I love to dance like a porpoise. DarkDragon, said a lot about the psycho, and said it was because maybe a therapist could psycho-ho. Then someone, I'm sorry, I can't remember who, said that she was super scared of psychoo. And now, I think it all makes sense That she was the psychiatrist and that's why she was so tense. *waltzes, waltzes, waltzes* That quote is enough for you to assume she was the psychiatrist, a theory from someone who is assuming a psycho must have someone who can cure them when that's frequently not the case? Even the wiki says: and Let's not forget the rest of her post ... Is the psycho also our vigilante who needs to be cured? *waltzes* How 'bout this? Would this be enough for you? After that, just let me know what else I can do... As for my part, I am currently more worried about the psycho than the scum. He needs to be stopped soon, and if there is a therapist to fix him, then he will be able to help the town instead of trying to kill everyone. Well, a psycho I think would have a counterpart to stop him, a therapist who needs to find and cure him so that he can then be part of the town. Additionally, maybe, this is just a wild megablocks guess so don't put too much stock in it, maybe the psycho is our vigilante but not until he is cured. Why wait until day 6 for all the crazy theories when we can start now? Darkdragon being killed is very interesting. Why is it interesting? She and I were talking last night and she said she feared that she was going to be killed that night, and by the SK. She asked if I knew anyone that could protect her; unfortunately I do not at the moment. What I was curious to know was why she thought she was going to be killed, and by the SK of all people. She didn't want to answer that unfortunately as she was a bit paranoid I might be scum. Now it is too late. She did however say that she had been talking to Hinckley during the night. Hinckley, who was keen to vote for her, and apparently says he still would have been. She also mentioned that a lot of what he said to her privately contradicted what he had been saying during the day. Sadly, that was all she wanted to share, perhaps you can enlighten us further Hinck? I would be very interested to know what you talked about to the person you were so very suspicious of yesterday. If she was the Town's psychiatrist, we both know that mentioning it twice was too much, So that is all we have to work on, but I think she drew attention to the task that she was supposed to do. Then there's you You said that she was talking to Yet you blame me and say she blamed me too. So why then if she told you I was SK are you surprised when people say she was focused on the SK?? *waltzes cautiously*
Rick Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 I also think that Hinck's reaction to Scouty is very... odd. If Scouty were truly scum, I would think he would be a lot more cautious than that! Particularly the fact that he spoke to both Shadows and Hinck makes it seem odd since he just needs to find one person that he is 100% sure is scum. At what point did he start talking to Shadows? Before or after Hinck outed him? It may be exactly what Scouty wants us to believe. Granted it wasn't Scouty who shared them, I think Hinck did Scouty a favor. Those PM's are something we normally never get to see. I'm not ready to cast a vote, as I feel under the weather (for real) hopefully some more has developed when I wake up, but for now I'm leaning towards,shit, I'm not sure. You're leaning towards shit? Again? As someone who always wants to be Jesus, I would have expected a little more caution from him. Yes, Hinck is more careful usually. It seems one of the reasons he outed Scouty is that he added the part about the day killer to his claim, which Hinck thought didn't make sense. His role may make sense, but I hope Scouty is able to explain/understand it better. What's the weak part about it? What do you mean by 'seeing' who's going to die in the day? He may actually be doing what Foog did in IMHOTEP though: trying to sell a scum role as a town role. OH. WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT. MORNING. NOT NIGHT. AND IT'S A DIFFERENT MO THAN STABBY STABBY SWORD KILLER AND CHAINSAW FREAKSHOW. KEEN EYE TPRU! I find it hard to believe that someone who apparently protects people from day kills would not notice that Cecilie was killed in the morning. Why is the MO important? Do you only protect from one kind of kill? Should we even be calling him a watcher anymore? How he's describing his actions isn't how a watcher would act... Can you explain do you mean by this? Yes, I'm short-sighted. I didn't understand my role Night Zero and that small little detail completely passed my scope. You're no noob. If you didn't understand your role, you should have asked def for clarification right away. How do you even know who to target if you don't understand what you're doing?
def Posted January 17, 2013 Author Posted January 17, 2013 Among the squabbling and interpretive dancing, Dannylonglegs has a question. "Who put oats in my pockets last night?" Suddenly a stampede of black stallions race through, trampling Danny, much like they might do to an insect.. They continue, mashing his body, pulping his bones and organs into a viscous stew. The final horse pauses, tips him over, and stamps on his face, just in case. Danny is no longer. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I swear, that killer is so zany! They asked me for some spiced oats last night, but there was simply no way of knowing what they had planned. Well, anyway, I suppose you want to know Danny's affiliation. He was.... wait, I can't tell you until tomorrow. EB rules. Sorry." "You have about 31 hours to make a lynch decision!"
Dragonator Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Oh great, a day kill. Odd that we found out the affiliation of Cece on the day that she was killed (morning of day one), but not the affiliation of Danny. Is that inconsistent or am I missing something? The different time of day is certainly odd... although it could be done as soon as the killer makes his choice... Hmm.
Shadows Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 At what point did he start talking to Shadows? Before or after Hinck outed him? It may be exactly what Scouty wants us to believe. From the quotes, it appears he spoke to Hinck, it turned into an argument, he wrote me, then Hinck exposed him and seeing that, I shared what I had, which was at the point of being weird, but not absolute yet. I would have preferred to try to get him to talk, but once I read the conversation he had with Hinck, it seemed pointless. "Who put oats in my pockets last night?" *snip* "I swear, that killer is so zany! They asked me for some spiced oats last night, but there was simply no way of knowing what they had planned. And now this. I took the chandelier as a night kill since it happened in the opening before we could do anything, where we would normally see results, not new actions. Now this one says the action causing it took place at night (oats in the pocket), but the result was during the day, almost like a poisoner. Then he says 'zany', and it certainly was, which seems more psycho than anything else. I don't know what to think now. I officially retract every goddamn theory I've had about which killer is which, his sig is right, this host is a madman.
Zepher Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Well, that at least makes Scouty a little more credible. I guess it doesn't really say anything about his affiliation since we don't know which kill belongs to which team, but the case against him seems weaker now that we know he wasn't lying. Again, I feel Hinckley is drumming up a lot of hullabaloo over nothing in the hopes of lynching a townie who was playing a dangerous but intelligent strategy, because the next day he can be "well, look, I was wrong" and still seem somewhat credible.
Rick Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Odd that we found out the affiliation of Cece on the day that she was killed (morning of day one), but not the affiliation of Danny. Is that inconsistent or am I missing something? The different time of day is certainly odd... although it could be done as soon as the killer makes his choice... This seems to be the 'chandelier' MO from yesterday then and in both cases the killer seems to have made their choice at night. On day one because the chandelier dropped first thing in the morning and now the oats that were put into Danny's pockets overnight it seems. So I too am wondering about the different timing of the actual kill and the revelation of the target's affiliation as well. From the quotes, it appears he spoke to Hinck, it turned into an argument, he wrote me, then Hinck exposed him and seeing that, I shared what I had, which was at the point of being weird, but not absolute yet. I would have preferred to try to get him to talk, but once I read the conversation he had with Hinck, it seemed pointless. But why contact you? Care to elaborate on that Scouty? And now this. I took the chandelier as a night kill since it happened in the opening before we could do anything, where we would normally see results, not new actions. Now this one says the action causing it took place at night (oats in the pocket), but the result was during the day, almost like a poisoner. Then he says 'zany', and it certainly was, which seems more psycho than anything else. I wasn't prepared to read too much into it yet on day one, but def mentioned the psycho killer right after Cecilie got crushed by the chandelier. I don't know what to think now. I officially retract every goddamn theory I've had about which killer is which, his sig is right, this host is a madman. See? We're all paying attention. Well, that at least makes Scouty a little more credible. I guess it doesn't really say anything about his affiliation since we don't know which kill belongs to which team, but the case against him seems weaker now that we know he wasn't lying. Again, I feel Hinckley is drumming up a lot of hullabaloo over nothing in the hopes of lynching a townie who was playing a dangerous but intelligent strategy, because the next day he can be "well, look, I was wrong" and still seem somewhat credible. Considering there is a reference to a day killer in his role, I still wonder why he didn't seem to notice Cecilie's kill took place during the day on day one and why he didn't ask for clarification of a role he didn't and still doesn't seem to understand.
CMP Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Considering there is a reference to a day killer in his role, I still wonder why he didn't seem to notice Cecilie's kill took place during the day on day one and why he didn't ask for clarification of a role he didn't and still doesn't seem to understand. That's what's getting me here. I still think his approach was a pointless risk, but frankly, if he was scum, I would expect a roleclaim better than this, unless he was just clumsy in thinking one up. I was going to vote a while ago, now I'm rethinking. It's all somewhat believable now with that day kill, but...
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