LEGO LotR - general discussion

[Faefrost]

I think that was a wish list that was actually culled from our discussions here. It is in no way real.

One thought that may give us a bit of hope regarding a third wave. Wasn't TABA originally supposed to be a Summer release movie, before it got pushed back? So we may be dealing with a situation similar to the Lone Ranger sets, where Lego based things on the planned movie release dates, and its too late in the game to make major changes? So another Hobbit Wave may be the Summer wave and maybe (we can keep praying) a LotR wave was planned for winter?

[Ultron]

I think this is fake if you ask me. I don't see them making amon hen, especially if it doesn't include any new figs. Big waste of a set and money. Wouldn't even make any money. And with the witch king showdown it says it includes a "Nazgul". I'm assuming they mean a fell-beast because the nazgul are the ringwraiths. That takes away from the credibility. And Gondor soldiers and a troll being the only new figs in a minas tirith set? No way. There'd be denethor or faramir. Same goes with Osgoliath. A ranger is not enough of a selling point. This is fake fake fake fake fake. Lego is usually pretty decent with figs so I say no way

Edited December 11, 2013 by Luna Lovegood

[N7LEGO]

I don't know if the designers could answer , just like they couldn't say if Azog was in a set.

A woman from the customer service told me that Azog would be in a 2013 set 5 months ago so I don't understand why the designers can't

[Alcarin]

Even if that list is true, which i doubt, I'm not particularly fond of it! If there is another wave, I'm almost positive it would be the last! It does cover a lot of needed figs, but there a still a few left out! Faramir, bilbo, to name a few! :/ If that's the list why would they include so many normal orcs? Surely they could swap one for gothmog?

Why do we need Bilbo? You get plenty of Bilbo in Hobbit... old bilbo? I dont care for him... he is just a statue in LOTR anyway... now Faramir... he is important :D

[LegoPanda]

i think we should get some siege of gondor/battle of pellenor field sets, like a witch king and fell beast set or a mumakîl

[Floundie]

Why do we need Bilbo? You get plenty of Bilbo in Hobbit... old bilbo? I dont care for him... he is just a statue in LOTR anyway...

You mean you wouldn't want... THIS?

('shopped)

[Blazej_Holen]

You mean you wouldn't want... THIS?

('shopped)

Where did you get this picture ?

[Floundie]

Where did you get this picture ?

I made it.. not real, sorry. But if they based his fig on the design in the video game, that's what we'd get.

[Blazej_Holen]

I made it.. not real, sorry. But if they based his fig on the design in the video game, that's what we'd get.

And what program did u used?

Or is it MOC?

[Floundie]

And what program did u used?

(Gimp.) I don't think we'll ever see old bilbo in a set though, maybe a visual dictionary or game pre-order exclusive.

[Brickadiergerard]

(Gimp.) I don't think we'll ever see old bilbo in a set though, maybe a visual dictionary or game pre-order exclusive.

Yep. The opportunity for old Bilbo in a set has surely come and gone with the Council of Elrond. Now there was a set which would've been perfect for him - instead of Gimli and the stupid play feature. But it was not to be. Another example of some of the odd choices that were made in wave 2.

[Deathleech]

Yep. The opportunity for old Bilbo in a set has surely come and gone with the Council of Elrond. Now there was a set which would've been perfect for him - instead of Gimli and the stupid play feature. But it was not to be. Another example of some of the odd choices that were made in wave 2.

Old Bilbo would of worked, as well as another Boromir. I know Boromir has been used before but it would be nice to have at least one more set with him and Council of Elrond would of been perfect. I don't see Lego releasing an Amon Hen set so I doubt he will ever be available again. Really Frodo AND Gimli in CoE were pretty lame, I understand why Lego did it (Gimli for the play feature, Frodo since they needed a main character in the set), but it doesn't change the fact only half the minifigs were remotely desirable.

[Fives]

I understand why so many seem to believe that that list for possible 2014 LOTR sets is fake, but there are a few things that point to it possibly being true.

Firstly, there have been plenty times in the past when we have seen long set lists that cover all sets released from all themes over the course of a year. A lot of those other sets listed in that list are real, with the ones that aren't links just waiting until official images are released to link to. While it looks a lot like a wish list (it is, for the most part, the exact sets I would choose for a final wave), there could still be some truth behind it.

Secondly, the minifig choices. Take the Amon Hen set for example: why only Merry? Surely if someone was making a wish list (which usually are a little unrealistic in minifig number), both Hobbits would be included, and possibly even Lurtz. But since we only get Boromir, Merry and two Uruks, it kinda sounds a little more plausible as an official set, especially when you consider the likelihood that the set has four figs and would likely be $25-$30, similar to the Council of Elrond; and at a piece count like that, they could easily pull off the Seeing Seat and a small tree or something.

Lastly, Osgiliath looks like the typical army builder style sets that LEGO seems to like giving us in these Middle-Earth waves. Like both Uruk-Hai Army and Mirkwood Elf Army, we get a decent selection of generic warriors, and the possibility that the Ranger was mistaken and is actually Faramir makes a lot of sense. One named character (secondary or tertiary in importance), and numerous generic soldiers to help beef up the ranks.

And when it comes to the Minas Tirith set, the number of figures and the figures chosen makes sense if it were made by official LEGO designers. You get the essential main characters who are present during the siege, as well as enough orcs to pose a threat, and just as many good guys as Helm's Deep (only difference was Helm's Deep had no generic soldiers for good). A wish list version would likely include a troll, Denethor or a Tower Guard.

All this analysis taken into account points to two conclusions: either this list is real (or has extreme potential to be real), or I'm plagued by wishful thinking. In the end, only time will tell, but I'm hopeful that this may be the farewell wave for LOTR, with a final The Hobbit: TABA wave to conclude the Middle-Earth license come winter 2014.

[greeklad97]

I understand why so many seem to believe that that list for possible 2014 LOTR sets is fake, but there are a few things that point to it possibly being true.

Firstly, there have been plenty times in the past when we have seen long set lists that cover all sets released from all themes over the course of a year. A lot of those other sets listed in that list are real, with the ones that aren't links just waiting until official images are released to link to. While it looks a lot like a wish list (it is, for the most part, the exact sets I would choose for a final wave), there could still be some truth behind it.

Secondly, the minifig choices. Take the Amon Hen set for example: why only Merry? Surely if someone was making a wish list (which usually are a little unrealistic in minifig number), both Hobbits would be included, and possibly even Lurtz. But since we only get Boromir, Merry and two Uruks, it kinda sounds a little more plausible as an official set, especially when you consider the likelihood that the set has four figs and would likely be $25-$30, similar to the Council of Elrond; and at a piece count like that, they could easily pull off the Seeing Seat and a small tree or something.

Lastly, Osgiliath looks like the typical army builder style sets that LEGO seems to like giving us in these Middle-Earth waves. Like both Uruk-Hai Army and Mirkwood Elf Army, we get a decent selection of generic warriors, and the possibility that the Ranger was mistaken and is actually Faramir makes a lot of sense. One named character (secondary or tertiary in importance), and numerous generic soldiers to help beef up the ranks.

And when it comes to the Minas Tirith set, the number of figures and the figures chosen makes sense if it were made by official LEGO designers. You get the essential main characters who are present during the siege, as well as enough orcs to pose a threat, and just as many good guys as Helm's Deep (only difference was Helm's Deep had no generic soldiers for good). A wish list version would likely include a troll, Denethor or a Tower Guard.

All this analysis taken into account points to two conclusions: either this list is real (or has extreme potential to be real), or I'm plagued by wishful thinking. In the end, only time will tell, but I'm hopeful that this may be the farewell wave for LOTR, with a final The Hobbit: TABA wave to conclude the Middle-Earth license come winter 2014.

That makes enough since, especially the bit about the ranger being Faramir since TLG wouldn't release a set without a main character! If the list is tree, we can still hope for a D2C set maybe, as well as a few exclusive figs, only time will tell! If those sets are true, still want old Bilbo, Isilidur, and Sauron! XD

[legomonk]

I understand why so many seem to believe that that list for possible 2014 LOTR sets is fake, but there are a few things that point to it possibly being true.

Firstly, there have been plenty times in the past when we have seen long set lists that cover all sets released from all themes over the course of a year. A lot of those other sets listed in that list are real, with the ones that aren't links just waiting until official images are released to link to. While it looks a lot like a wish list (it is, for the most part, the exact sets I would choose for a final wave), there could still be some truth behind it.

Secondly, the minifig choices. Take the Amon Hen set for example: why only Merry? Surely if someone was making a wish list (which usually are a little unrealistic in minifig number), both Hobbits would be included, and possibly even Lurtz. But since we only get Boromir, Merry and two Uruks, it kinda sounds a little more plausible as an official set, especially when you consider the likelihood that the set has four figs and would likely be $25-$30, similar to the Council of Elrond; and at a piece count like that, they could easily pull off the Seeing Seat and a small tree or something.

Lastly, Osgiliath looks like the typical army builder style sets that LEGO seems to like giving us in these Middle-Earth waves. Like both Uruk-Hai Army and Mirkwood Elf Army, we get a decent selection of generic warriors, and the possibility that the Ranger was mistaken and is actually Faramir makes a lot of sense. One named character (secondary or tertiary in importance), and numerous generic soldiers to help beef up the ranks.

And when it comes to the Minas Tirith set, the number of figures and the figures chosen makes sense if it were made by official LEGO designers. You get the essential main characters who are present during the siege, as well as enough orcs to pose a threat, and just as many good guys as Helm's Deep (only difference was Helm's Deep had no generic soldiers for good). A wish list version would likely include a troll, Denethor or a Tower Guard.

All this analysis taken into account points to two conclusions: either this list is real (or has extreme potential to be real), or I'm plagued by wishful thinking. In the end, only time will tell, but I'm hopeful that this may be the farewell wave for LOTR, with a final The Hobbit: TABA wave to conclude the Middle-Earth license come winter 2014.

Wish list or not your logic makes some sense. I will hope that its true and we get the final wave this theme deserves.

[Dr.Cogg]

If this list is real , then its missing two characters ,Sauron ,the main villain in LOTR and the Balrog, an iconic creature of LOTR.

[Fives]

If this list is real , then its missing two characters ,Sauron ,the main villain in LOTR and the Balrog, an iconic creature of LOTR.

Yes, but LEGO may have reasons for not making them. I honestly am fine with not getting a Sauron fig. Sure, it would be cool, but to me it isn't essential. As for the Balrog, the designers my have had too tough a time coming up with a set that had all the needed aspects of the scene (the creature itself, likely brick built; the bridge with a collapsing function; enough figs to warrant that many pieces, and all of that in a price slot they assigned to it). They might have just not been able to realistically come up with a way for it to be a set in the wave. Sure, take away Amon Hen Ambush and give us just the Balrog, Gandalf and either other Fellowship members or some goblins, and you've got a Balrog set. But without any functions, LEGO may have decided to go a different route.

[Deathleech]

I understand why so many seem to believe that that list for possible 2014 LOTR sets is fake, but there are a few things that point to it possibly being true.

Well to counter that, there is a LOT pointing to the list being fake. First off the guy posting it only had like 1 or 2 posts here on Eurobricks and since then has not made any posts. He has no reputability. He also said the sets already have prices, and gave really odd price points, but usually sets aren't priced that far in advance. He also could reveal all the sets and prices but couldn't reveal pictures he claimed to have? These all seem really like really sketchy details.

As for your reasons the set list might true, I think some are pretty easy to make up and still be believable. For example the minifigure count. Any one with common sense and that has been into Lego for awhile can easily give "realistic" minifigure counts. The $10-13 set has 2 minifigures, the $20 set always has 3 minifigures, the $30-40 has 4, the $50-60 has 5, the $70-80 has 6-7, and the $100 has 9. Of course there are exceptions like if the set includes a large molded figure, or it's an army builder and has 6 at the $30 price point instead of the standard 4, but you get the idea.

[Fives]

I wasn't aware of the history behind the list. I'm gonna message his Tumblr page to inquire about the list. Hopefully he can shed more light on the subject.

EDIT: Never mind. Scratch everything I said. In the Tumblr he states that the LOTR sets are not confirmed. That really bugs me; not that they aren't real, but that he'd include them in a big list of confirmed sets.

Edited December 12, 2013 by Fives

[Mr. Cube]

Polybag with old Bilbo and his writer´s corner in LotR 3rd wave would be nice. And Sauron fig (with Woodys legs) only as a limited promo. In physical form, he appeared only in the prologue, so some exklusive polybag with Sauron (like Elrond) would be accurate. But there is no need to get a set with Sauron, IMO.

Edited December 12, 2013 by Mr. Cube

[AFOLguy1970]

I just cannot see Amon Hen becoming a set, especially if there is only one wave left. One thing Lego likes to do with LOTR/Hobbit is make sets with at least one new exclusive figure in each set to encourage sales. Amon Hen has nothing new to bring to the table. We already have the complete Fellowship. As for the Uruk Hai, this is the most dominant faction currently if you look at all of the minifigures made in the sets. They even outnumber the Mordor orcs. If you have bought one of each set, more Uruk Hai might not be the priority right now. Rohan and the whole Saruman/Uruk Hai story is fairly well represented right now. Gondor is the really big hole and is in dire need of attention. Technically, the Gondor presence consists of two Mordor orcs and a catapult that you get with the pirate ship.

If I were Lego, here is what I would do:

(1) A big set of Minas Tirith's gate and Grond. You could have the troll, soldiers, orcs, and some necessary main characters.

(2) An orc seige tower and a section of Minas Tirith wall that connects to other parts. More orcs, soldiers, and a main character. This would be a good place to have a catapult on the wall. This would be your army builder set, and would allow you to make Minas Tirith as big as you want it.

(3) The Witch King/fell beast vs Eowyn and Merry battle. Maybe have another small section of Minas Tirith in the background that attaches.

(4) An oliphaunt with haradrim. Good guys could be Legolas and a Rohirrim. Yes, I know Legolas is a repeat, but that scene........

(5) Either a scene in Osgilliath with Faramir or a Mt. Doom scene. If Mt. Doom, then two different time periods. Include Sauron, Frodo, Sam, and Gollum.

[Alcarin]

(5) Either a scene in Osgilliath with Faramir or a Mt. Doom scene. If Mt. Doom, then two different time periods. Include Sauron, Frodo, Sam, and Gollum.

And Sauron is action playing with? Those rocks? You cant have 1 figure from 1 timeframe and 3 from the other.... better making osgilliath then!

[deskp]

Polybag with old Bilbo and his writer´s corner in LotR 3rd wave would be nice. And Sauron fig (with Woodys legs) only as a limited promo. In physical form, he appeared only in the prologue, so some exklusive polybag with Sauron (like Elrond) would be accurate. But there is no need to get a set with Sauron, IMO.

Sauron is also in DOS, he should have been in DGB.

[Alcarin]

I just cannot see Amon Hen becoming a set, especially if there is only one wave left. One thing Lego likes to do with LOTR/Hobbit is make sets with at least one new exclusive figure in each set to encourage sales. Amon Hen has nothing new to bring to the table. We already have the complete Fellowship. As for the Uruk Hai, this is the most dominant faction currently if you look at all of the minifigures made in the sets. They even outnumber the Mordor orcs. If you have bought one of each set, more Uruk Hai might not be the priority right now. Rohan and the whole Saruman/Uruk Hai story is fairly well represented right now. Gondor is the really big hole and is in dire need of attention. Technically, the Gondor presence consists of two Mordor orcs and a catapult that you get with the pirate ship.

If I were Lego, here is what I would do:

(1) A big set of Minas Tirith's gate and Grond. You could have the troll, soldiers, orcs, and some necessary main characters.

(2) An orc seige tower and a section of Minas Tirith wall that connects to other parts. More orcs, soldiers, and a main character. This would be a good place to have a catapult on the wall. This would be your army builder set, and would allow you to make Minas Tirith as big as you want it.

(3) The Witch King/fell beast vs Eowyn and Merry battle. Maybe have another small section of Minas Tirith in the background that attaches.

(4) An oliphaunt with haradrim. Good guys could be Legolas and a Rohirrim. Yes, I know Legolas is a repeat, but that scene........

(5) Either a scene in Osgilliath with Faramir or a Mt. Doom scene. If Mt. Doom, then two different time periods. Include Sauron, Frodo, Sam, and Gollum.

And on overall discussion while I would sign those sets NOW i just dont see them happening (all) why you might ask... well mainly because all those would have to be 60$+ set to look as they come from the movie.... otherwise id be severely disappointed...

[Blazej_Holen]

And Sauron is action playing with? Those rocks? You cant have 1 figure from 1 timeframe and 3 from the other.... better making osgilliath then!

Why not?

It will satisfy two scenes all togehter, so why not?