Adam Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I thought logical deduction was something we were supposed to be doing, or was I wrong? Oh no, you're absolutely right; I was merely confused by the phrasing of your previous comment.
Rumble Strike Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 You had time to fully summarize the situation but not to fully check it, huh? It's very common for Scum to summarize and seem helpful when three paragraphs of summarizing what other people have said doesn't really help, but gives the appearance of activity. So, have you had time now? Who are you leaning towards? What have your summaries told you? I look forward to your very thorough analysis, once you've had time to "fully check" everything. Like Babs said, there's not a great deal to go with on Day One, but I do want to go over exactly what happened so I can vote with a clear conscience that I have fully appraised the facts. I am really looking to see which errors are more telling at the time they occurred. If that makes me look suspicious, or like I'm summarizing, or being wishy-washy, then so be it.
Nightshroud99 Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I haven't had the time yet to fully check over everything I want to before casting a vote. Therefore I put up what you accurately decribe as a summary for now. I haven't had the chance to follow everything that has been said recently so I want to make sure I have not reached any inaccurate conclusions based on what we know so far. So ping yourself! Like Babs said, there's not a great deal to go with on Day One, but I do want to go over exactly what happened so I can vote with a clear conscience that I have fully appraised the facts. I am really looking to see which errors are more telling at the time they occurred. If that makes me look suspicious, or like I'm summarizing, or being wishy-washy, then so be it. Your first post is really scummy, it's something scum just seem to naturally do for some reason, god knows I've been in that situation enough times. You feel the need to contribute, even if it's a useless summary. It's that internal fear of suspicion, so you scum make stupid posts. Granted everyone does that, occasionally, but this time it feels different. Yeah, second post you're defending yourself. But why not vote? You can un-vote!! So put one out there, hence why I am going to vote for you. Also that self-defeating attitude "if it makes me look suspicious, so be it." It's like when a scum is defending themselves against a lynch and says "Fine kill me, but you'll find out tomorrow it was a waste." Vote: Alice (Rumble Strike)
Hinckley Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Like Babs said, there's not a great deal to go with on Day One, but I do want to go over exactly what happened so I can vote with a clear conscience that I have fully appraised the facts. I am really looking to see which errors are more telling at the time they occurred. If that makes me look suspicious, or like I'm summarizing, or being wishy-washy, then so be it. Still not voting? Where's that analysis? What exactly about me pinged you back? Just me accusing you? Scum-meeeh.
Rumble Strike Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Well despite casting suspicion on myself just for wanting to vote with all the facts to hand (when I literally couldn't earlier. I won't be apologising for wanting to be thorough, anyway), this is how I see it: On second views, it appears I misread the number. It is actually 9676. Sorry for the mistake. It is an easy mistake to make. I am looking at my passenger card right now, and it really is hard to mistake a 4-digit number like that. The font is clear and plenty big enough to read. And as I said before, on getting a weird set the first time, wouldn't it have been in her best interests to recheck it then? It would still be suspicious but the timing then, and not just after the building contest announcement wouldn't have been a double hit on her credibility. Then we have First Officer Bill claiming not to have a number at all, as well as Jordan. Again, very hard to miss, in my opinion. And Jordan not recognising his own name. I know we have been in similar situations before - my time in Japan I had a lot of similar looking names thrown at me, but you should really have your wits about you in a situation like this. In conclusion I feel my vote is best going to Mary, but the other two should be watched very carefully. Vote: Mary (TheBoyWonder) And no, Jonathan, I was not seriously pinging you back. It was just a retort. I don't find you ping-worthy at this time.
Bob Posted February 13, 2013 Author Posted February 13, 2013 Vote Count: Mary / TheBoyWonder: 9 (def, Rufus, ADHO15, Capt.Redblade, The Legonater, Captain Genero, Tamamono, Peanuts, Rumble Strike) Susan / TinyPiesRUs: 1 (badboytje88) Jordan / Tamamono: 7 (Hinckley, Waterbrick Down, Scubacarrot, TrumpetKing67, Piratedave84, CorneliusMurdock, Sandy) Diane / TrumpetKing67: 1 (TheBoyWonder) Alice / Rumble Strike: 1 (Nightshroud99) With 24 players, a majority of 13 is needed.
TheBoyWonder Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I feel the fact I made a mistake is a lot less scummy than no number.
Tamamono Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 As for Jordan Boober, I think the most interesting part is that he claimed not to have a number at first. I don't know about that, but I got my number at the very beginning (boarding/confirmation). Unvote: Mary (TheBoyWonder) I'm fine with either of them being lynched, but I am starting to see Jordan's lynch as being more accurate. Vote: Jordan (Tamamono) I appreciate your concerns, Diane, but if you look back, you'll see that I explained my original "lack" of a number. Thanks for your effort, though! Come again! Whatever scum tells I see on Jordan are in reactions to accusations, and not into his initial behaviour. We'll see what happens toward the end of day one. What kind of "reactions" wouldn't be counted as "scummy", then? What logic am I supposed to argue with here? The trajectory of the sun and how spending a few minutes in traffic obviously affected my ability to read my role PM? I've given the facts: 1. I skimmed my role PM when I first received it, discounting the number completely 2. When people began revealing their numbers, I thought Bob had been sending them out at that time, and it was only for certain players. I saw no new message in my inbox, so I thought I was one of the ones without a number. 3. When it seemed that everyone had a number, I, confused, checked my role PM and saw that I had missed my number. I then promptly revealed my number. 4. As I'm not completely involved with the game yet (it's only Day 1), the name "Jordan" didn't trigger an "Oh, haha, that's me!" response, so thus I missed Lauren and Sandy's characters' posts to me. Honestly, there's no "good" reaction to a poorly formed accusation. Would you prefer me to get angry and curse you all out? Become selfdefeating and vote myself? Just let me know what you're looking for, I'd be happy to cater to your scumdar in any way I can. So, you're fine with withholding theories, but info should be shared publicly? That theory better be, like, totally awesome. By the way, we don't all have City sets, unless those who claimed otherwise lied. :hmpf: I'd think someone as experienced as you would know what I mean when I say that. When I say I want all the info up on the table, I don't mean anything about roles. You want my theory? Would it be "totally awesome"? I think all the vanillas have CITY sets. Yeah, I'm vanilla. I was hoping to avoid claiming, because the less info scum has about the roles, the better. And when I said "we all", I meant the group of us that has the CITY sets, not everyone. because of his over-all erratical behavior and the reaction to the accusation. I don't get what it is with the reaction. If you people aren't going to give any suitable accusations, what can I do but laugh at your incompetence? Even if he hadn't forgotten his name, he'd be setting off alarm bells for me. I think Mary is suspicious as well, but I think if she were scum, she'd have had her act more together. There's still the possibility that she acted without consulting her team, but I find that less likely. Thanks, Cornelius, thank you oh so much for this helpful post and for your reasoning for your vote on me! Maybe you could elaborate so I could "react" accordingly? Now watch as people jump on my "reaction" to this too. Voting someone off because they forgot their number or name does not hold much water, but we have to start scouring for the truth somewhere. Based on some of his reactions to the accusations, I'm going to Vote: Jordan (Tamamono). The circumstances are different and you know it. Mary claimed a number that gave her a set that came completely out of left field, and then adjusted the number to better suit the fact that we all had real sets. If it had just beenn a forgetting her number sort of thing, yeah, I could understand that, but it's too much of a coincidence that her number led us to a real set that was completely off. I need to face it; once y'all get going, you sure don't stop. As soon as one of you finds one thing "wrong" with my behavior (such as the not checking for a number), everyone jumps on it and treats every word I speak as if I'm saying "I'm scum and am going to kill you and your family in your sleep !". If you're going to lynch me, fine, whatever. I'd really appreciate it if you could give some real reasons for your votes besides the fact that I didn't read my role PM all the way through and the fact that I have "bad reactions".
CorneliusMurdock Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I find your attitude of accusing your accusers of having no reasons to vote scummy, Jordan. Good enough for you? On day one, behavior is all we have to go on. You seem to want to blame us for you making mistakes. You frustrated, scum? And my name's Scott. I remember it. Easy peasy.
Rufus Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 The vote's neatly split. There are, by my reckoning, about 10 hours left in the day. The vote leaders are Mary on 9 and Jordan on 7. I don't have a particularly strong feeling about either, and I won't complain too much if we don't lynch today (but I do think we should lynch), howover I'm going to leave my vote on Mary. To my mind, Mary's lack of concrete response to the accusations against her - whilst not exactly reeking of scum - don't smell of helpful townie either, and if we are to lynch someone based off evidence that isn't concrete then I think she's the best bet. Having said that, the rapid early bandwagon that formed was more typical of a townie lynch than a scum, in which case the early bandwagoners might deserve some scrutiny. If Mary is scum, then the people who derailed the bandwagon should be looked at: Scott and Lauren were the first to vote elsewhere, but neither strike me as especially scummy; Michael seemed to confuse Mary with Susan, and Jonathan was the first to vote for Jordan. If Mary is scum then I'd be inclined to look at Jonathan, and possibly Diane who jumped bandwagons later. If she's scum. Learning Mary's allegiance might be useful for this reason, or Jordan's for the same. If we think there may be something in the ticket numbers, then lynching Mary might be a better way to find out, though I doubt roles will be revealed on death. Like always, I would advocate a lynch: it's our best weapon, and when a reasonable suspicion has been raised, we should follow it through, otherwise we'll always be wondering, and it's the only way we'll learn anything at all from today's voting.
CMP Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I'd think someone as experienced as you would know what I mean when I say that. When I say I want all the info up on the table, I don't mean anything about roles. You want my theory? Would it be "totally awesome"? I think all the vanillas have CITY sets. Yeah, I'm vanilla. I was hoping to avoid claiming, because the less info scum has about the roles, the better. Vote: Jordan (Tamamono). This.....whaaa? You're assuming everyone with a CITY set is vanilla because you have a CITY set and you're vanilla? And you're claiming based on this theory? On Day One? On the assumption that the Captain has dropped this one clue in every single person's PM that instantly leads to every single scum except those without actions? I really hope I'm missing something here.
Bob Posted February 13, 2013 Author Posted February 13, 2013 There's about 23 hours left in this day.
Rufus Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 There are, by my reckoning, about 10 hours left in the day. There's about 23 hours left in this day. D'oh.
Capt. Redblade Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 For now I will vote: Bill (Capt. Redblade). I have a pretty meta-gamey reason why I think what exactly I said. The scum like to lie as little as possible, because every lie could be caught, right? Let's say he was right when he said he didn't saw in his PM that he had a crew number. Let's say he checked and didn't see it. How could that happen? We have established that you either have to be very dense to miss it, or not check, or lying. Since we also know that everybody that goes on cruises is at least moderately intelligent, the first option is out. So what happened? He did check his PM, only his PM, was a group scum PM, that did not have the individual information on it, the part including the number, at least. Well, I think you're suspicious, and I want to get you to talk. And talking you do. Not very counterproductive if you ask me... I don't see any contradiction, read it again, slowly. I understand you want others to think like what I said was wrong, but it really makes sense. If I understand right, you're saying there are three possibilities for why I didn't see my number: A) I'm an idiot, which you rule out; B) I didn't check; C) I'm lying. You then suggest that I did check my PM, which was a group scum PM. If I did check the PM and say I didn't, the inference would be that I was lying, which is what you seem to be accusing me of. It seems to me like you throw Option B out there for the heck of it, then disregard it completely without explaining why. Now, if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me, but do it sloooowly so I can understand.
Scubacarrot Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 That was in there because that's what your buddy Jordan did, believe it or not.
Tamamono Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I find your attitude of accusing your accusers of having no reasons to vote scummy, Jordan. Good enough for you? On day one, behavior is all we have to go on. You seem to want to blame us for you making mistakes. You frustrated, scum? It's attitudes like this that break a town. Rest in peace, sweet village. Vote: Jordan (Tamamono). This.....whaaa? You're assuming everyone with a CITY set is vanilla because you have a CITY set and you're vanilla? And you're claiming based on this theory? On Day One? On the assumption that the Captain has dropped this one clue in every single person's PM that instantly leads to every single scum except those without actions? I really hope I'm missing something here. Don't even try to feign ignorance here. If you were in my position with no information, no real contact, etc. and a number that corresponds to a CITY set, you'd sure as hell make any assumptions you could.
Scubacarrot Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 By buddy I mean he followed the same trajectory as you, if you remember: Say you don't have one and then later changing that. By the way Jordan, it's funny that your big reveal is the same thing I suggested way back as a possibility. And dude, it's a building contest, the captain said so, do you not trust the captain? Any theories about reassignment don't really seem to be relevant anymore, or am I saying something wrong here? It's attitudes like this that break a town. Rest in peace, sweet village. Sooo... If we would lynch you, someone suspicious, claiming vanilla and all, we would have broken the town? I'm not so sure, to be honest. I must say, Mary's contributions do align with what I remember usual for her when she's in an evil mood... I think either lynch would be good. I'm optimistic about this!
Tamamono Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Sooo... If we would lynch you, someone suspicious, claiming vanilla and all, we would have broken the town? I'm not so sure, to be honest. Did I say that lynching me would break the town? Did I? Quote it, buddy, let's hear it. I said that having an attitude like Scott's which writes off every appeal I make as some sort of scum flail is what will break the town. And frankly, I'm right. If Scott and the others are town too (although I bet there are a few scum on my bandwagon), the scum will keep them alive so they can condemn more well-meaning townies to the gallows (or the plank or whatever it is here).
Scubacarrot Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Reassignment should be assignment, of the numbers that is. I think the many hours I spend in the water have taken away my ability to say the right words. It's a real condition, look it up. Did I say that lynching me would break the town? Did I? Quote it, buddy, let's hear it. I said that having an attitude like Scott's which writes off every appeal I make as some sort of scum flail is what will break the town. And frankly, I'm right. If Scott and the others are town too (although I bet there are a few scum on my bandwagon), the scum will keep them alive so they can condemn more well-meaning townies to the gallows (or the plank or whatever it is here). I did not get that attitude from him at all. Just that he wants to lynch you, but alright. And we do have a plank, but you need to be this tall to jump from it, and it only goes into the pool.
def Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 This: Having said that, the rapid early bandwagon that formed was more typical of a townie lynch than a scum, in which case the early bandwagoners might deserve some scrutiny. If Mary is scum, then the people who derailed the bandwagon should be looked at: Scott and Lauren were the first to vote elsewhere, but neither strike me as especially scummy; Michael seemed to confuse Mary with Susan, and Jonathan was the first to vote for Jordan. If Mary is scum then I'd be inclined to look at Jonathan, and possibly Diane who jumped bandwagons later. If she's scum. Yes.
CMP Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Don't even try to feign ignorance here. If you were in my position with no information, no real contact, etc. and a number that corresponds to a CITY set, you'd sure as hell make any assumptions you could. I'm not feigning ignorance, I'm concerned about yours and voting for you for it. This is Day One, a lot of us are in that position. Nobody else seems to be claiming based on such an assumption. I'm sure as hell not.
CorneliusMurdock Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I said that having an attitude like Scott's which writes off every appeal I make as some sort of scum flail is what will break the town. This is an appeal? Thanks, Cornelius, thank you oh so much for this helpful post and for your reasoning for your vote on me! Maybe you could elaborate so I could "react" accordingly? Now watch as people jump on my "reaction" to this too. So sorry to have written it off. I think Phil has a point, however. Getting a lynch today will give us more information for the future. I think Mary's been scummy, too. I'm willing to change my vote before the deadline if that'll get us a lynch.
TrumpetKing Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I appreciate your concerns, Diane, but if you look back, you'll see that I explained my original "lack" of a number. Thanks for your effort, though! Come again! I am highly aware of your explanations. I believe it was you who said that it wasn't on there at first, though? That makes no sense. I (And I am sure everybody else) got theirs at the very beginning. I will keep my vote. Jordan, I just looked back at your previous voyages, and thank you for making me sure that I won't unvote you. During Heartlake, you were lynched on Day 4. During that day, you were brought up as a target, and started acting similarly to the way you are now. You also made a role-claim, to be the mortician. However, you claimed vanilla this time. Claiming vanilla is still a claim, though. I feel much, much more confident having my vote on you now, compared to earlier. Thank you, Jordan!
Tamamono Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I am highly aware of your explanations. I believe it was you who said that it wasn't on there at first, though? That makes no sense. I (And I am sure everybody else) got theirs at the very beginning. I will keep my vote. Jordan, I just looked back at your previous voyages, and thank you for making me sure that I won't unvote you. During Heartlake, you were lynched on Day 4. During that day, you were brought up as a target, and started acting similarly to the way you are now. You also made a role-claim, to be the mortician. However, you claimed vanilla this time. Claiming vanilla is still a claim, though. I feel much, much more confident having my vote on you now, compared to earlier. Thank you, Jordan! Part 1: Diane purposely ignores all common sense to continue voting me. Part 2: Diane looks through my past games to find "similarities" in my behavior to make it look like she's actually using her head in her vote for me. I'm going to be honest here, I can't wait to flip town.
Peanuts Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 :hmpf: I'd think someone as experienced as you would know what I mean when I say that. When I say I want all the info up on the table, I don't mean anything about roles. You want my theory? Would it be "totally awesome"? I think all the vanillas have CITY sets. Yeah, I'm vanilla. I was hoping to avoid claiming, because the less info scum has about the roles, the better. And when I said "we all", I meant the group of us that has the CITY sets, not everyone. Yeah, I'd understand that you wouldn't want to have info about the roles revealed (if you are town), but how was I supposed to know that was your theory? And, no, I didn't want to know your theory, I never asked you for it. I didn't really care, like, at all, because Day One theories are rarely accurate. Especially with the whole "reason why we all have CITY sets", even after it was stated these were for a building contest. And, honestly, I don't think that theory makes sense. It would be kind of a stupid set-up if roles could be deduced that easily, and if your theory was true, that would mean that making our numbers public means making our night actions public (unless the scum are stupid and wouldn't figure that out). So... You wanted everyone to make their number public, even though you thought that would reveal all our important roles (and, of course, the scum roles as well)? What kind of a play is that? Not to mention that the theory is inane anyway. Or that someone else theorized about the same before you, without claiming their role. Also, it's interesting how you made it sound like I forced you to roleclaim; I wasn't even voting for you back then. Considering all this, I'll Unvote: Crazy Weird Number Girl (TheBoyWonder) Vote: Forgets-his-name Guy (Tamamono).
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