Captain Genaro Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 While I feel that there is a strong case for both candidates, I am sticking with my vote for Mary. Some people have claimed that Mary has a reputation for being absent-minded. This should not be an excuse to allow her to go free. We cannot allow people to get away with scummy trip-ups simply because they have a history of making mistakes Some people say "she can't be scum. They would never have allowed her to get away with such a major mistake." If she really makes mistakes, as some of you are claiming, isn't it possible that she made this mistake as scum? When she posted her first number (9696)it is possible that she was a lazy-scum who forgot to double check the number. Before I posted my number, I took a second look at it to make sure I didn't make a mistake. I don't see how anyone could have gotten such an obscure "set" and not double checked their number. It seems like someone had something to hide and chose an obscure number as a way to avoid the possibility of stealing someone else's number. That said, I have no issue with lynching Jordan if we cannot get Mary. I can understand forgetting your name, but then not going back to the PM to check who you are? And not bothering to double check to see if you have a crew/passanger number? This seems scummy to me but I still feel like there is a stronger case for Mary.
TrumpetKing Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 You also continuously stated that you would flip up town and we would be sorry. Ping!!! I used common sense, actually. Should you flip up town, I will be fine with being lynched. I have tried my best to be helpful here, and have found similarities in your behavior now and and in previous games. Just because I have been a strong supporter of lynching you in absolutely no way means that I am a thief. I imagine if you turn up town, and I survive the night, I will most likely be lynched or investigated. However, If you are saying that I am ignoring common sense, then you are the one lacking common sense. I am telling you how your post appeared. Let me paraphrase how it sounded to me, slowly and loudly for you. "Well, I originally had no number. But then, I checked back and there was a number there. Ooops."
Palathadric Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Uh, oh! Jordan's going all " " on us. That is never a good sign. The only people at this time that I really feel worthy (if you can really call it that) of being voted for are Mary and Jordan. The arguments against them are not convincing, but we never have much to work off of day one. I think Betty made a good point that if Mary really is a evil thief and did lie about her passenger number, than likely enough the truth of the matter will return to bite her in the future, so for that reason, I think I may just. Vote: Jordan (Tamamono) I don't feel strongly about this, but then again I don't feel strongly about much. Unvote: Crazy Weird Number Girl (TheBoyWonder) Vote: Forgets-his-name Guy (Tamamono). What's with the nonsensical voting. I'm sure you know that it's against the rules that Admiral Bob laid out to vote in this manner, so why do you do it? He may have accepted it before, but no reason to push your luck. Oops, and it seems like in all my talking I forgot to bold my vote. Vote: Jordan (Tamamono) Although, from a second skim, it doesn't seem like Bob actually demanded that we bold our votes. I do have to agree with Thomas that Mary's absence and quietness is rather disturbing and unsettling, and despite it being somewhat typical of her, still it should not go unnoticed. I still think though, that if she really is a thief who lied, then her slip-up will backfire on her. You also continuously stated that you would flip up town and we would be sorry. Ping!!! I used common sense, actually. Should you flip up town, I will be fine with being lynched. I have tried my best to be helpful here, and have found similarities in your behavior now and and in previous games. Just because I have been a strong supporter of lynching you in absolutely no way means that I am a thief. I imagine if you turn up town, and I survive the night, I will most likely be lynched or investigated. However, If you are saying that I am ignoring common sense, then you are the one lacking common sense. I am telling you how your post appeared. Let me paraphrase how it sounded to me, slowly and loudly for you. "Well, I originally had no number. But then, I checked back and there was a number there. Ooops." Maybe I didn't read back properly, I don't know, but honestly I don't see how you come to these ridiculous conclusions. And if you're basing your vote against him on his saying that he had no number, than that seems pretty ridiculous to me. For all we know, Admiral Bob may have forgotten to give out numbers and then added them to the PMs later. Of course, there is the possibility that he forgot to give them to the scum team, for one reason or another.
Capt. Redblade Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 That was in there because that's what your buddy Jordan did, believe it or not. So you put Option B in there because it's what you believe Jordan did, but you wouldn't even consider that I did the same? I'm still confused.
Dannylonglegs Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 While I feel that there is a strong case for both candidates, I am sticking with my vote for Mary. Some people have claimed that Mary has a reputation for being absent-minded. This should not be an excuse to allow her to go free. We cannot allow people to get away with scummy trip-ups simply because they have a history of making mistakes Some people say "she can't be scum. They would never have allowed her to get away with such a major mistake." If she really makes mistakes, as some of you are claiming, isn't it possible that she made this mistake as scum? When she posted her first number (9696)it is possible that she was a lazy-scum who forgot to double check the number. Before I posted my number, I took a second look at it to make sure I didn't make a mistake. I don't see how anyone could have gotten such an obscure "set" and not double checked their number. It seems like someone had something to hide and chose an obscure number as a way to avoid the possibility of stealing someone else's number. I'll respond to this because I'm certainly one of those who did as you say. I'm don't mean that I don't think Mary could be scum when I say that I don't think that her mistake is a sign that she's scum. I'm still as suspicious of her as I am of everyone at the moment, but I don't think that her mistake had anything to do with being scum. Just think about it. Assuming she's scum, she's either under the assumption that the numbers do mean something, or she's not assuming anything at all. In the first case, we are assuming that her claim is a lie. If that were the case, then wouldn't she have at-least chosen a Town set? Or an actual Set? If she were trying to conceal the Death Star, since the leading hypothesis at the time was that Town sets meant Townie, then she would have chosen a Townie set. I think we can safely rule out the chance that she was lying, because it would have been a really really bad lie. Secondarily, If we're then assuming it was an accident, still assuming she's scum, then it's an accident she could have made even more easily as a Townie. For that reason, I think she A. made a mistake in reporting the wrong number, and B. might be either Scum or Town with no real preference to one or the other. I agree that it's dumb to post a wrong number. I copied mine straight from my PM. Uh, oh! Jordan's going all " " on us. That is never a good sign. I noticed that too. I'm convinced it's his scum-tell, though I hate using that word. (I also hate the word "ping" because I feel it concentrates the no-explanation-needed-ness of "scum-tell' into one small word which is the onomatopoeia of an annoying noise. I'm fine with "tripping my scum-dar" though.) It seems that Jordon has popped up as a rival to Mary for the popular vote, and I think this lynch is closer to the target. Frankly, Mary's Lynch, though I don't agree with the case, could give us more to look at in terms of vote-analysis due to the celerity with which it developed, I will be placing my vote on someone I actually feel may be scum. That is to say, I'll Vote: Jordan (Tamamono). I think that the mistakes he made are less in-character, and while I don't think he's one to blatantly lie (although even then, his appears more like lie-material than Mary's, complete with the Town set), his behavior towards his accusers has not been as I'd expect it to be if he was Town. If he's scum, it may be an indication that the scum share a group PM which would lead to him not noticing his number. To top things off he's displaying his smilie-scum behavior.
Hinckley Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Learning Mary's allegiance might be useful for this reason, or Jordan's for the same. If we think there may be something in the ticket numbers, then lynching Mary might be a better way to find out, though I doubt roles will be revealed on death. Like always, I would advocate a lynch: it's our best weapon, and when a reasonable suspicion has been raised, we should follow it through, otherwise we'll always be wondering, and it's the only way we'll learn anything at all from today's voting. Great analysis. Any reason you don't cast a vote one way or another? What do you mean that roles wouldn't be revealed at death?
CorneliusMurdock Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Great analysis. Any reason you don't cast a vote one way or another? What do you mean that roles wouldn't be revealed at death? He's already voted for Mary. Pretty sure he means that we won't be told if those who are dead had night actions.
Hinckley Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Um......this bandwagon effect is making me uneasy about both lynch candidates here. He's already voted for Mary. Pretty sure he means that we won't be told if those who are dead had night actions. Oh, did he? Thanks. I've been a bit scattered.
CorneliusMurdock Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Oh, did he? Thanks. I've been a bit scattered. No problem. Just don't scatter that explosive diarrhea over here.
Hinckley Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 To my mind, Mary's lack of concrete response to the accusations against her - whilst not exactly reeking of scum - don't smell of helpful townie either, and if we are to lynch someone based off evidence that isn't concrete then I think she's the best bet. Having said that, the rapid early bandwagon that formed was more typical of a townie lynch than a scum, in which case the early bandwagoners might deserve some scrutiny. If Mary is scum, then the people who derailed the bandwagon should be looked at: Scott and Lauren were the first to vote elsewhere, but neither strike me as especially scummy; Michael seemed to confuse Mary with Susan, and Jonathan was the first to vote for Jordan. If Mary is scum then I'd be inclined to look at Jonathan, and possibly Diane who jumped bandwagons later. If she's scum. I could agree with this, although Alice is looking the most Scummy to me at this point. I've spoken with both lynch candidates in private and don't think it would really hurt to lose either. By your analysis, Phil-if that is your real name-obviously phony, Mary's affiliation could give us the most to work off of. However, if she turns up Town, how much does that really give us? Maybe the early bandwagoners deserve some scrutiny? Maybe... but we've seen Scum show up all sorts of places. So this is likely to help only if analyzed down the road along with other information we pick up along the way. She turns up Town tomorrow, it doesn't really give us a solid lead for Day Two. If she turns up Scum, that would be more interesting, but I'm not sure that defying a bandwagon on Day One is necessarily a scum-tell, although I'm aware I may be biased since my name is on the list of the scrutinized if she is Scum. I am willing to change my vote to her if we all agree we have the most to learn from her death. What's nice is, say we all change our votes to Alice the Super Scum-meeeeeeh, we still have this original voting pattern to base things off of later, if we remember to keep it in our analysis. No problem. Just don't scatter that explosive diarrhea over here. I'm not scattering anything. It's explosive. It scatters on its own.
Nightshroud99 Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Where has Alice gone, by the way? I know she said she was summarizing things, scummy behavior to leave and not say anything.
Hinckley Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Where has Alice gone, by the way? I know she said she was summarizing things, scummy behavior to leave and not say anything. Well, she has come back and made three summarizing posts and then finally placed a vote. She said she wanted to check things out, but mostly just found more reasons to summarize about the two current lynch candidates. I would think that if she was checking things out, as she claimed, she might find something a little more than just more of what everyone else had already been saying. Although I admit I do not know Alice very well, or if she would normally be likely to analyze player behavior, besides what people are telling her to be wary of.
Bob Posted February 14, 2013 Author Posted February 14, 2013 Vote Count: Mary / TheBoyWonder: 8 (def, Rufus, ADHO15, Capt.Redblade, The Legonater, Captain Genero, Tamamono, Rumble Strike) Susan / TinyPiesRUs: 1 (badboytje88) Jordan / Tamamono: 10 (Hinckley, Waterbrick Down, Scubacarrot, TrumpetKing67, Piratedave84, CorneliusMurdock, Sandy, Peanuts, Dannylonglegs, Palathadric) Diane / TrumpetKing67: 1 (TheBoyWonder) Alice / Rumble Strike: 1 (Nightshroud99) With 24 players, a majority of 13 is needed.
Captain Genaro Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 What's nice is, say we all change our votes to Alice the Super Scum-meeeeeeh, we still have this original voting pattern to base things off of later, if we remember to keep it in our analysis. I just reviewed everything that Alice said. While I agree that it looks somewhat scummy, do you think it wise to try and lynch her right now with so little time left? You have waited until the last minute to offer this up as an option. Besides, I think that Mary and Jordan are better candidates for lynching. This is not to say that we should allow people to get away with not contributing, but let's not risk loosing a potentially valuble lynch today.
Hinckley Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 I just reviewed everything that Alice said. While I agree that it looks somewhat scummy, do you think it wise to try and lynch her right now with so little time left? You have waited until the last minute to offer this up as an option. Besides, I think that Mary and Jordan are better candidates for lynching. This is not to say that we should allow people to get away with not contributing, but let's not risk loosing a potentially valuble lynch today. Lose does not equal loose. Learn the difference please. This is the theory I came up with watching people's reactions to the two candidates. I couldn't have come to it earlier, since it's based on the behavior up to this point. Did I not also offer that we lynch Mary? I need to check my pockets because I don't want to lose my loose change.
def Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 We have a dozen hours, plenty of time to change. I will be sleeping at the day's end, though.
Hinckley Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 We have a dozen hours, plenty of time to change. I will be sleeping at the day's end, though. Do you think we should change or do you agree we have the most to learn from Mary's lynch?
def Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 I don't think we'll learn anything from any of them until they're all dead, and even then, only if one is scum. We can only learn so much from bandwagons, and usually it's that people can be sheep.
CorneliusMurdock Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 One thing worth noting is that Alice was one of the first to provide a number and that hers was not a Town set. Whether that means anything, I don't know. They were specifically listed as passenger numbers, so as staff, you may not have one. When she tells Bill that he might not have a number, she uses plurals when referring to the numbers. Did she see a role PM with more than one number in it? It might be too late to get the vote around to her (I'll be taking a short nap in a little while myself), but she voted for Mary over Jordan (Maybe waiting to see if it would be possible to turn the tide away from Jordan), so I'm just as glad to be rid of Jordan if it comes down to it.
Hinckley Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 There's certainly enough time to solidify a lynch on one or the other of them, since right now, nobody will be lynched...
TrumpetKing Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 There are some interesting points about Alice. I feel like she could be a better Day two lynch when we really know a bit more, unless the vig gets her tonight. That would make tomorrow's lynch a lot easier, because I feel like a lot is surrounding the two of them. (Alice and Jordan) I feel like if Jordan gets lynched, then we can learn a bit about Alice as well. I don't see the point in turning the lynch around, we are so close to a lynch that I ddon't want to change my vote.
Hinckley Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 There are some interesting points about Alice. I feel like she could be a better Day two lynch when we really know a bit more, unless the vig gets her tonight. That would make tomorrow's lynch a lot easier, because I feel like a lot is surrounding the two of them. (Alice and Jordan) I feel like if Jordan gets lynched, then we can learn a bit about Alice as well. I don't see the point in turning the lynch around, we are so close to a lynch that I ddon't want to change my vote. How does the Jordan lynch tell us anything about Alice? Because Alice voted for Mary? If Jordan is innocent, then it doesn't tell us that much, though...
Scubacarrot Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 With 11 (?) People voted for Jordan, we need two more to have a lynch. I think we should have a lynch, I'm not against no lynches per se, but depending on what happens at night, we will probably play the game on the scum's terms. The lynch looks like it's going to be Jordan's, He has disappeared, again. Both candidates are suspicious to me, honestly. I really don't think Jordan's attitude (You have one, dude), is one of a towny. He was threatening the town before he was in danger of getting lynched, and continues with the "You'll see, I can't wait to flip town!" That's not particuarly town behaviour. Mary I feel should also be contributing more than she is now, if she's town. She keeps making short statements that say: "It was a mistake." "What the other guy did was worse." I don't know what to think... What I mean to say is, people, please make sure we get a lynch. I will be busy for a lot of the remaining day, but keep in mind we need 13 votes to lynch, and it's currently 8/13 for Mary and Jordan respectively. Also, there are two people that haven't voted yet. Why is that? Those two are Matthew and Susan.
Nightshroud99 Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Unvote: Alice (Rumble Strike) Vote: Jordan (Tamamono) I also agree that someone needs to get lynched.
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