TrumpetKing Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Overreacting much!!!! Funny you should say that; was it I who asked others for their numbers first? No, My enquiry was based on someone else's theory, I merely compiled the results. As for diverting the conversation ... You just brought the attention to yourself and then redirected it towards me .... talk about diverting the conversation you're acting weird ... Thank you for your reaction, you have now been nominated as my main suspect!!!! PING!!! I do apologize, I thought that it was you that had made the suggestion. It appears upon further analysis that it was Michael (badboytje88) that had made that statement. As for over-reacting, I personally don't think that I did, but three people saw it that way, so I guess my tone was off. However, your reaction to my accusation was a bit strange, I feel. Not one that deserves a vote quite yet, but one that I'll keep in mind. Who mentioned the head shaving, again? Betty would love to volunteer. Really, I feel as if Mary has had the most to hide. Why the hell would you not have used your correct number anyways? I feel Mary has some stuff to hide, and she really needs to speak up if she wants to really convince us that she is town. But seriously, it was pretty obvious that you were lying after it was brought up that your set had no pieces and the words "building contest" came up. Vote: Mary (TheBoyWonder) As for the building contest, crap. I of course, get stuck with a huge set, perhaps I can find a way to microbuild, it just depends on how the contest rules turn up.
The Legonater Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 We don't yet know if these numbers have any significance whatsoever, let alone if the sets they (may) represent point to anything in particular. As I've pointed out, the only pattern I've noticed is that crew members have lower numbers, which also happen to be CITY sets. I find it highly unlikely that CITY means not scum, or that would mean that all the crew are innocent, which would break a fundamental rule of mafia. This is one of the main things that gets me about the whole idea of voting based on the numbers. Furthermore, I should think Mr. Bob would be more subtle than to leave obvious clues as to identities with such numbers. I'm not saying there is not importance with these numbers - there must be, else there would be no reason for us to have them, and that building contest only seems to be the tip of the iceberg. In any case, Mary has been acting very scummy. Thus I Vote: Mary (TheBoyWonder)
Captain Genaro Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 I understand why you felt my mistake was suspicious. But if I was Scum I would of either gone with the correct number or invented one. As it is, we don't know whether people were lying, or that the ones who witheld information were scum waiting until more information was revealed. You have to understand why we are suspicious. You tell us that your number is 9696 and only tell us that you confused a "9" with a "7" once we learn that the numbers willl be part of a building contest. It seems like you didn't want to reveal your number out of fear and made one up without checking to see if it was a set. Vote: Mary (TheBoyWonder) I also find it strange that Richard has 6455. All of the sets except for this one seem to be recent. Since we are going to have a contest with these sets, it seems odd that the cruise company would have given someone such an old set. Am I crazy or does anyone else find this to be odd?
ADHO15 Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 I also find it strange that Richard has 6455. All of the sets except for this one seem to be recent. Since we are going to have a contest with these sets, it seems odd that the cruise company would have given someone such an old set. Am I crazy or does anyone else find this to be odd? I do too. At least it is not the only Space-themed set. I guess we shall have to wait until said contest to find out the reason.
def Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 How do you spell 'bandwagon?' E-u-r-o-b-r-i-c-k-s
Tamamono Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 How convenient Right, dude? You may now vote. With 24 players, a majority vote of 13 is required. Stacy took the stage. "I'm looking at the schedule of events for future days, and it appears the numbers correspond with sets that the passengers will use for a building contest. Details on that will come later I assume." she said. Un-swag; I'm low on pieces right now. If there is a significance to the numbers, it's reasonable to assume the scum will have compared theirs and spotted it. If they then feel there is a need to lie about their numbers, would they pick a number at the centre of the pack, with the risk of accidentally choosing someone else's number? I think it's more likely they'd pick an outlier. So, if there's any mileage in looking at the numbers, we should look for someone who's chosen a number unlikely to be held by anyone else, with a correction if it looks like no-one believed the one they first chose. Ring any bells?? Vote: Mary (TheBoyWonder) Actually, I don't know if I should reveal this theory, but it's likely that the scum have already figured it out: what if the sets correspond to our roles somehow? If that's the case, I'd expect the serial killer (if there is one) to have a completely out of left field number - much like Mary's. Either way, the fact that she "misread" her number, giving her an actual set is incredibly unsettling. Had it been a nonsensical number I would have been a little more inclined to believe her (plus, if she lied about her number, she'd have definitely looked up the set before posting it as her "number"). It seems to me that she accidentally revealed something about her role/affiliation that she didn't want anyone to know about, and then covered it up by making up a new set number. Vote: Mary (TheBoyWonder) Lynch all liars, and there's definitely a lie in all of this.
Peanuts Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Why, if you were Innocent, would you not have gone with the correct number? If you really made a mistake, this isn't indicative of being either scum or town. Your 'mistake' looks more like an invention that you then had to revise, which you've said yourself is what you'd have done if you were scum. However... We don't yet know if these numbers have any significance whatsoever, let alone if the sets they (may) represent point to anything in particular. As I've pointed out, the only pattern I've noticed is that crew members have lower numbers, which also happen to be CITY sets. I find it highly unlikely that CITY means not scum, or that would mean that all the crew are innocent, which would break a fundamental rule of mafia. If there is a significance to the numbers, it's reasonable to assume the scum will have compared theirs and spotted it. If they then feel there is a need to lie about their numbers, would they pick a number at the centre of the pack, with the risk of accidentally choosing someone else's number? I think it's more likely they'd pick an outlier. So, if there's any mileage in looking at the numbers, we should look for someone who's chosen a number unlikely to be held by anyone else, with a correction if it looks like no-one believed the one they first chose. Ring any bells?? Vote: Mary (TheBoyWonder) I have to say, what Spikey Hair Guy says makes sense, that the scum would try and choose a set number that, like, nobody else would have, with the ability to correct herself, if necessary. That, and her defensiveness makes her, like, the best candidate for lynching we have today. Vote: Crazy Weird Number Girl (TheBoyWonder) There's some others I'm slightly suspicious of, but nobody has stood out as much as her.
Scubacarrot Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 I'm pretty sure that isn't accurate, Babs. Jordan, do you still want to explain yourself, I'd appreciate it. Also Bill, your explanation was the same as what you already said, with an added apology: You apparantly missed it. I will repeat myself: If you are looking for the number, it is impossible to miss it. I'd like to point out Jordan is going out of his way, after long consideration, not to answer to either me or Stacy when attention was raised at him. Not want to dwell too much on this, but that's what he likes to do when he's up to no good. (I'm a fan)
Adam Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 If there is a significance to the numbers, it's reasonable to assume the scum will have compared theirs and spotted it. If they then feel there is a need to lie about their numbers, would they pick a number at the centre of the pack, with the risk of accidentally choosing someone else's number? I think it's more likely they'd pick an outlier. So, if there's any mileage in looking at the numbers, we should look for someone who's chosen a number unlikely to be held by anyone else, with a correction if it looks like no-one believed the one they first chose. Ring any bells?? I had not considered this; you make a good point. However, though most numbers seem to be between 3000 and 5000, there are several other outliers. Looking at the list that Richard compiled, those outliers are Richard himself (6455), George (7093), Thomas (8188) Diane (9468), Alice (9491), and of course, Mary (9696), with the possible addition of Betty (5980). All of those outliers are passengers, and all of those numbers correspond to non-City sets. Several of those numbers were posted before people started asking questions about them. If I were a Thief, I would definitely try to pick an outlier, but I would also try to pick a City set. The fact that all of the outliers are non-City strikes me as odd. While I don't feel confident voting for Mary, I'm waiting to hear her response to all this. Speaking of which, damn, dat bandwagon.
Tamamono Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 I'd like to point out Jordan is going out of his way, after long consideration, not to answer to either me or Stacy when attention was raised at him. Not want to dwell too much on this, but that's what he likes to do when he's up to no good. (I'm a fan) I'm not going to lie, I actually completely forgot my name was Jordan this game. When I say Stacy's "Michael Jordan and the third guy" post, I glazed it thinking it wasn't relevant to me. I'll answer them now: At this point it just seems so random. Mary's number is standing out, being a non retail set and all. Could it just have to do with sets that Mr. Bob owns? Is there a way to find that out? Most sets are also City, would it be so easy as City = Town? City = Vanilla townie maybe? I'd still like an explanation from Jordan and Bill. It's pretty impossible to check to see if you have a number and not seeing it, there really isn't much information there. So that was a lie. Another embarrassing confession: I actually didn't check my role PM for the number when the numbers began to be revealed. I actually thought that God was PMing them to us at that moment, and didn't see a new message. When I saw that everyone seemed to have a number, I went back and checked my PM and double checked, and then saw my number. As others has pointed out, a smart scum has lied about their number after viewing this discussion, making their number represent the theme with the most answers (and thus making the odds-one-out stand out even more). So I'm looking at the people who claimed their number was a city-set rather late in the discussion, such as Michael, Jordan and Paul. See above on the late claim. I have a theory on why we all have CITY sets, but I honestly think outing it out loud would help scum more than town.
Scubacarrot Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 I'm not sure if that's what we're supposed to believe, honestly. That's two pretty dumb mistakes. Surely a teen pop star like you would have the brains not to make those? In all seriousness, if both of those things are true (and you are town), could you please make less mistakes? Makes it all a lot easier for everyone but the scum.
CorneliusMurdock Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 So now Jordan can't even remember his name. I thought I was absent minded. I am, right? What was I saying? Anywho, I think Mary is scummy but I don't see the point in hopping on the bandwagon right now. I would like to hear from the people that are oddly quiet today. Jonathan, for example, seems to want to lurk. I think he's confused himself with that guy in the spacesuit. Vote: Jonathan (Hinckley) I thought we agreed once upon a time that lurkers only hurt the town. So speak up and stop being one already.
Scubacarrot Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 For now I will vote: Bill (Capt. Redblade). I have a pretty meta-gamey reason why I think what exactly I said. The scum like to lie as little as possible, because every lie could be caught, right? Let's say he was right when he said he didn't saw in his PM that he had a crew number. Let's say he checked and didn't see it. How could that happen? We have established that you either have to be very dense to miss it, or not check, or lying. Since we also know that everybody that goes on cruises is at least moderately intelligent, the first option is out. So what happened? He did check his PM, only his PM, was a group scum PM, that did not have the individual information on it, the part including the number, at least.
Tamamono Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 I'm not sure if that's what we're supposed to believe, honestly. That's two pretty dumb mistakes. Surely a teen pop star like you would have the brains not to make those? In all seriousness, if both of those things are true (and you are town), could you please make less mistakes? Makes it all a lot easier for everyone but the scum. If you don't want to believe me, that's cool, I understand. I certainly wouldn't believe you if our positions were reversed, so I'm not going to waste time getting pissed off about it. Hopefully my actions throughout the rest of the game will prove to you that I actually am town. And yeah, I was a bit busy, but things are leveling out now, so hopefully my mistake making days are over.
Scubacarrot Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 I meant what HE SAID, obviously. Water in my ears, it confused me.
Dannylonglegs Posted February 12, 2013 Posted February 12, 2013 Wow, this bandwagon escalated quickly. First, I'd like to say that the building challenge would probably be like the ones in Red Moon 2, the TV show, where a number of pieces were displayed and the contestants had to guess the correct set they belonged to, or else were thrown off the island (into Hell). I doubt Bob would assume we all have pieces, especially since he almost didn't host another cruise after Excaliber for similar reasons. Second, I'd like to say that the only thing dumber than reporting a false ticket number is seriously considering that ticket numbers would lead us to the scum. I'm really serious. When's the last time that a scum team was revealed by "clues" we were given from the start? Frankly, I didn't even think there was any import to the numbers. I thought it was just a fun character info bonus (but I guess it'd be strange for crew to get numbers too.) I agree with Stacy that those who looked very hard for clues in the numbers are somewhat suspicious. It should be obvious that there's no such thing as clues in character info (or sleeping) during mafia. This especially goes for those who participated in Eurobricks-Mafia, the online game that some of us here played. (My avatar was "Dannylonlegs" by the way. ) The puzzle was the same. Did the scum receive pieces? Yes. Did some Townies not? I didn't. Ugh. That said, it's not a bad thing that we all came-out (for the most part) with our sets. It may make the game easier. It certainly helped get a conversation going. It may even have (hopefully/if we're really lucky/doubtfully) tripped up some scum. Now, on to the bandwagon of Mary. Mary's been oblivious in the past. In fact, that seems to be one of her defining traits in some aspects. Does this clear her of suspicion to me? Certainly not. Does this explain her actions better than "she lied because she was worried that her number meant she was scum?" In my opinion, yes. Keep in mind, I'm not saying I don't think she's scum. I'm saying this'd be a bizarrely stupid slip-up if she was scum. If she lied, she did it on her own, because no scum team would have OKed such a bad lie. They would have at least made sure it was an actual set, better yet, a Town set. As others has pointed out, a smart scum has lied about their number after viewing this discussion, making their number represent the theme with the most answers (and thus making the odds-one-out stand out even more). So I'm looking at the people who claimed their number was a city-set rather late in the discussion, such as Michael, Jordan and Paul. I started late because I was really busy chucking out the contents of my stomach into the cruel unforgiving sea. I can't help it that my set was a Town set. Honestly though, at that point it would have made little sense for a scum to lie anyways because it was already pointed out that there were some non-Town sets.
Capt. Redblade Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I originally overlooked the number in my role PM, and it wasn't until after the number conversation started that I thought to go back and double-check. Mea culpa. For now I will vote: Bill (Capt. Redblade). I have a pretty meta-gamey reason why I think what exactly I said. The scum like to lie as little as possible, because every lie could be caught, right? Let's say he was right when he said he didn't saw in his PM that he had a crew number. Let's say he checked and didn't see it. How could that happen? We have established that you either have to be very dense to miss it, or not check, or lying. Since we also know that everybody that goes on cruises is at least moderately intelligent, the first option is out. So what happened? He did check his PM, only his PM, was a group scum PM, that did not have the individual information on it, the part including the number, at least. I looked at my PM twice: once when I received it - which is when I overlooked the number - and again once most of the numbers were public. I did not know the importance of the numbers the first time, indeed no one did, so it didn't register in my mind. Once it was established that the numbers had some significance, I checked again and saw it. I find it amusing how your accusation seems to contradict the assertion that precedes it; your thoughts are that I "have to be very dense to miss it, or not check, or lying." If you're willing to entertain the third option, even if only for a second, why do you automatically assume I'm lying? Furthermore, voting for a purely metagame reason seems somewhat counterproductive when we have a potential lead in our midst.
def Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Paul, I totally agree that the ticket numbers shouldn't lead to any clues, but I can think of two situations where the designer purposely went against that (hogwarts and yakuza), so faith in randomness depends on your faith in the designer.
Dannylonglegs Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Paul, I totally agree that the ticket numbers shouldn't lead to any clues, but I can think of two situations where the designer purposely went against that (hogwarts and yakuza), so faith in randomness depends on your faith in the designer. Huh, well I didn't play in either, so I guess I could be wrong, but still, even if it's Faith in Designer, I don't think Mr. Bob would reveal the scum team in "clues"--especially after what happened on the first Excalibur cruise, when we hit that ice-berg and the whole cruise ship Flipzed. That said, if it has been done before and I was simply unaware, I suppose that could explain why some would look for clues in this game, but still I think it's rare enough that most of us shouldn't default on looking for "Clues." Most Hosts would be appalled at the idea of giving away the entire Scum team with ticket numbers on day one, and I'm surprised so many jumped at the idea.
def Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I don't think it will reveal scum at all, but there could be roles or secret factions that need to find pieces or something. Who knows? I personally don't see the point of everyone sharing info that is private, and that we don't know the relevance of, when it's possible there are some who do know and it may be useful to them. It's possible some here have made themselves a night action target simply by revealing their sets. Again though, who knows? Maybe they were only window dressing. In the first Bloodbrick, five different rooms were assigned randomly, but that was for the purpose of giving hints and clues that wouldn't be too overly revealing. Let's give it a day to see if there's any meaning behind them.
badboytje88 Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 At somewhat the start of this day, I said the following: Would it be terribly shallow and unwise to base the day one vote on the set numbers? Because so far I really don't like the sound of Skeleton Tower or Vampyre Castle... Which is terribly shallow and no game host in his proper state of mind would do something so obvious as giving the members of team scum ‘evil’ looking/sounding LEGO set numbers. After that the following happened: Richard (ADHO15) agreed with what I had to say. His so claimed number is an old space (town) set. Susan (TPRUS) claims to be something I never knew existed. Bristol (Peanuts) refuses to give us her number. Why? I don’t know! After that it was announced that the numbers were for a building contest. All three of these people strike me as odd. Richard agreeing with me so easily, while the claim I made should never be a valid point to vote someone off. Not even on day one. Susans set is just weird. Did she chicken out because her real set number was the number of an ‘evil’ looking/sounding set? How the heck are we supposed to use that set in the building contest? So just admit it. You changed your set number and now that action backfired on you! Bristol refuses to share her set number. Again, why not share what you know. Afraid of getting lynched? Out of these three Susans case strikes me as most odd. So I shall Vote: Susan (TinyPiesRUs)
Hinckley Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I have a lot to catch up on, but let me jump the three page gun here: Until we know the sets mean nothing, I'm going to keep mine private. It would be crazy for them to have something to do with alignment, since it would be silly, plus pretty easy to fake-claim. My worry is that there might be a sub-group that might be identified by them. Honestly, for no other reason than that I can't see any other reason except that they're random. Give me a day, at least. We won't solve any mysteries by revealing ticket numbers on day one, I think. Wouldn't it be ludicrously short-sighted of our host if every one with a Town set was "Town" and the other factions had other faction sets. Please tell me that's not it... That's the only thing you've said today, Jonathan - just a number. Are you feeling okay? Fine, yes. Why? How are you? I feel we may be reading too much into these numbers. Mary's passenger number (9696) seems to indicate that they don't correlate with lego sets. Any 4-digit number you can think of is bound to have a lego set that corresponds with it. While it is interesting that a lot of our numbers are linked to new recent sets, there are enough exceptions to the rule to suggest that this may just be a coincidence. Let's test it: 5932 Hmmmm... 5932 How about 1026?
TrumpetKing Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I don't think it will reveal scum at all, but there could be roles or secret factions that need to find pieces or something. Who knows? I personally don't see the point of everyone sharing info that is private, and that we don't know the relevance of, when it's possible there are some who do know and it may be useful to them. It's possible some here have made themselves a night action target simply by revealing their sets. Again though, who knows? Maybe they were only window dressing. In the first Bloodbrick, five different rooms were assigned randomly, but that was for the purpose of giving hints and clues that wouldn't be too overly revealing. Let's give it a day to see if there's any meaning behind them. There is a relevence to it, Bob said that we were going to have a building contest based off of our numbers
Hinckley Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Hmmm... 1026 While the idea that random 4-digit numbers will indicate some LEGO set, the coincidence that they're all pretty recent is intriguing. I would imagine we're onto something and your denial of that is intriguing, indeed. Ping. That's right, mother-megablocks, ping. I don't like saying it either but it gets a point across.
Nightshroud99 Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Hmmm... 1026 While the idea that random 4-digit numbers will indicate some LEGO set, the coincidence that they're all pretty recent is intriguing. I would imagine we're onto something and your denial of that is intriguing, indeed. Ping. That's right, mother-megablocks, ping. I don't like saying it either but it gets a point across. Who're you pinging??
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