The Pearl - Day One

[CorneliusMurdock]

You expect me to salute you, then, Bill?

[Bob]

I was going over things in my head again and realized that she said passengers. What about the crew? I was all ready to do some heavy lifting.

Crew included

[TheBoyWonder]

I understand why you all think I am suspicious. But, when I realized it was for a building test thing, I checked. I acknowledged my mistake. I gave my defenses.

However, Diane, when accused over her set number, she went into a rant.

A rant or a defence?

[Hinckley]

I guess I had missed that at first. I had went back and realized what you had said before I had even read your response.

But I don't understand what made you ping, however. Forgive me if I'm just being stupid, but the wording did seem as if you were accusing somebody, IMHO. If you could explain your pinging a little slower for me, that would be helpful, I'm still a little tipsy from the wine earlier.

Because she was dismissing something that should be discussed, even if it is far fetched.

I understand why you all think I am suspicious. But, when I realized it was for a building test thing, I checked. I acknowledged my mistake. I gave my defenses.

However, Diane, when accused over her set number, she went into a rant.

A rant or a defence?

So, do you want to vote for Diane then?

[Scubacarrot]

I looked at my PM twice: once when I received it - which is when I overlooked the number - and again once most of the numbers were public. I did not know the importance of the numbers the first time, indeed no one did, so it didn't register in my mind. Once it was established that the numbers had some significance, I checked again and saw it.

I find it amusing how your accusation seems to contradict the assertion that precedes it; your thoughts are that I "have to be very dense to miss it, or not check, or lying." If you're willing to entertain the third option, even if only for a second, why do you automatically assume I'm lying?

Furthermore, voting for a purely metagame reason seems somewhat counterproductive when we have a potential lead in our midst.

Well, I think you're suspicious, and I want to get you to talk. And talking you do. Not very counterproductive if you ask me... I don't see any contradiction, read it again, slowly. I understand you want others to think like what I said was wrong, but it really makes sense.

I just realized something. We are letting someone that forgot his own name get away with it? He used that as an excuse? Have you ever forgotten your own name? That's just stupid. Hell no. Bill, I still want an answer from you, please. Unvote: Bill (Capt. Redblade) Vote: Jordan (Tamamono)

[TheBoyWonder]

That's exactly what I want to do.

Vote: Diane (Trumpetking67)

[Waterbrick Down]

Alright, so we've got some sort of building contest, I don't think I need to offer any explanation why it would be a good idea to wait till then before we lynch someone. While it is good to have some clarification on how these things probably don't relate to being either "town" or "scum", I think, as others have said, that we can at least look at the behavior of everyone when the confusion began. I think we can safely assume that the thieves didn't know that their numbers would be related to a building contest and we can also conjecture three different possibilities:

1. The thieves do not know what the numbers correlate too.

2. The thieves have believed that the numbers related to affiliations.

3. The thieves have believed that the numbers related to roles.

Now given those three possibilities, we have the main question with which we can analyze the behavior from earlier today.

Would a thief make up a number?

- If situation 2 is the case than it is likely they made up a number once they figured out a pattern (i.e. Town sets = Town affiliation), while they would run the gambit of choosing someone else's number, it was probably better than the alternative if the pattern should be figured out by the confirmation of people's allegiances after death. Thus in this situation, I would venture to guess that the thieves would either hide within the ranks of the town numbers or would simply choose not to reveal theirs.

- If situation 3 is the case than I find it likely they told the truth about their number (unless of course a role like a godfather is associated with something like that mafioso collectible minifigure) or again they chose to not give their number.

- If situation 1 is the case then we are kind of up the creek without a paddle. If they were panicky I would assume the thieves probably tried to pick a number correlating to a "town" set in order to blend in, but this would mean they had to wait long enough to perceive a pattern which means that we'd be looking at "town" sets and thus people who revealed their numbers during the later portion of the day, before the building contest announcement. If however, the thieves were smart and did not want to get caught in a lie later on then they would have revealed their own number.

Given that the thieves were probably trying to figure out the significance of their numbers and if they might give them away, they were probably not among the first to reveal their number. I'd venture to guess that they probably didn't start revealing their numbers (if they did at all) till after Jack collected all of the current data, by this point there was a little bit of a pattern that had developed for them to work off of. That at least helps narrow the field a little bit for perhaps later on. As for Mary, Bill, or Jordan, I find all these instances to be slightly strange but at least somewhat expected given the number of people we have and the potential for such mistakes to occur. Bill seems to have handled himself with a calm composure, no pings there for me, Jordan seems to me to be pounding on Mary pretty hard for a mistake that at least equal to his own (perhaps trying to avoid suspicion), and Mary... let's assume the thieves are at least somewhat rational, they would have told her to either reveal her real set number or make up a number close to an existing city set, I don't see any viable scenarios in which they make the suggestion to just pick any random number (that just happens to be a rather obscure set), thus I can't see her being a thief at least based upon the current argument. Therefore I think Jordan seems a little more viable candidate if any of them are, I can believe mixing a number up more than missing one entirely.

Vote: Jordan (Tamamono)

[ADHO15]

I understand why you all think I am suspicious. But, when I realized it was for a building test thing, I checked. I acknowledged my mistake. I gave my defenses.

However, Diane, when accused over her set number, she went into a rant.

A rant or a defence?

You did not think it was a good idea to check when many of us were commenting on how random and unusual your set was? Instead you just found a link to that set. In my opinion that is almost as careless as forgetting your own name.

Now you are trying to throw the suspicion off yourself and onto someone else. I do not like your defence, and I stand by my vote.

@Jack: I do not think the building contest will happen today, but was planned to be another of these 'themed daily activities'.

[Bob]

Vote Count:

Mary / TheBoyWonder: 9 (def, Rufus, ADHO15, Capt.Redblade, TrumpetKing67, The Legonater, Captain Genero, Tamamono, Peanuts)

Susan / TinyPiesRUs: 1 (badboytje88)

Jordan / Tamamono: 3 (Hinckley, Waterbrick Down, Scubacarrot)

Diane / TrumpetKing67: 1 (TheBoyWonder)

With 24 players, a majority of 13 is needed.

[Rumble Strike]

It is interesting that we now have confirmation that the numbers are related to a building challenge later on. Bang goes my theory that they were just little 'Easter eggs'. I'll have to do some research into what this 'Star Wars' is.

As for Mary, I have known her on several occassions to make mistakes, sometimes this means she is a bad person, and sometimes not. This situation, I am not sure what it means. If she got the number wrong but didn't realise, that would be one thing, but having it linked to such an obscure set, would you not recheck it carefully? I know I would.

Likewise Jordan's admissions of forgetfulness about his name and not finding the passenger number initially. My passenger card was very easy to follow. Everyone can be forgetful at times but he's taken that to the extreme. We need people on board who are fully committed to rooting out the thieves, so bottom line, I think either would be a suitable lynch given what we have to go on so far.

[Hinckley]

It is interesting that we now have confirmation that the numbers are related to a building challenge later on. Bang goes my theory that they were just little 'Easter eggs'. I'll have to do some research into what this 'Star Wars' is.

As for Mary, I have known her on several occassions to make mistakes, sometimes this means she is a bad person, and sometimes not. This situation, I am not sure what it means. If she got the number wrong but didn't realise, that would be one thing, but having it linked to such an obscure set, would you not recheck it carefully? I know I would.

Likewise Jordan's admissions of forgetfulness about his name and not finding the passenger number initially. My passenger card was very easy to follow. Everyone can be forgetful at times but he's taken that to the extreme. We need people on board who are fully committed to rooting out the thieves, so bottom line, I think either would be a suitable lynch given what we have to go on so far.

Ping. Let me paraphrase what you just said: "Both candidates seems Scummy and I'll elaborate on why but not place a vote to perhaps throw off any vote analysis later."

Thank you for your scum-meh post.

[Rumble Strike]

I haven't had the time yet to fully check over everything I want to before casting a vote. Therefore I put up what you accurately decribe as a summary for now. I haven't had the chance to follow everything that has been said recently so I want to make sure I have not reached any inaccurate conclusions based on what we know so far.

So ping yourself!

[def]

I haven't had the time yet to fully check over everything I want to before casting a vote.

Are you saying that we all have thought through our votes? Because that's not what day one voting is about. There has been no werewolf today. You just go on a hunch.

For the record, I think Jordan is a fair lynch today too. But I won't complain if no lynch is reached either. It's hard to tell the difference between scumminess and simple bafflement at how to approach a situation like this.

[TrumpetKing]

However, Diane, when accused over her set number, she went into a rant.

A rant or a defence?

A rant?! I would barely call that a rant, actually. I had just said that if you want to lynch me, I don't care, but just make sure I can defend myself, because I don't see it as fair to lynch somebody for their numbers. That is something that none of us can control, so I would hate to be lynched over that, because I want to be able to put up a strong defense. Does that clear things up?

As for Jordan Boober, I think the most interesting part is that he claimed not to have a number at first. I don't know about that, but I got my number at the very beginning (boarding/confirmation).

Unvote: Mary (TheBoyWonder)

I'm fine with either of them being lynched, but I am starting to see Jordan's lynch as being more accurate.

Vote: Jordan (Tamamono)

[Piratedave84]

Hum .... This is interesting, there are few individual who strike me as odd and maybe a bit scummy but nothing that would guarantee a scum lynch.

Jordan has been genrally clueless ... who forgets their names ... and passenger number .. I don't buy it.

Mary at least has not forgotten her name but still forgot her passenger number, then gave a "wrong" one then a "good" one ... then

Someone made a very valid point that they mau have gotten their numbers in a group PM as is the case for the scum team and have overlooked it initally. I tend to believe this seeing that based on the format of my PM, the number was pretty freaking obvious and I find it very hard to believe that it would have been overlooked.

Diane jumped right to the front and defended herself in redirecting the attention when confronted with what was in fact a non-issue; this however is not of much concern for the time being as she was once in a dream called "Eurobricks Mafia" and crashed and burned hard and fast, such may have been the case here.

SNIP

For the record, I think Jordan is a fair lynch today too. But I won't complain if no lynch is reached either. It's hard to tell the difference between scumminess and simple bafflement at how to approach a situation like this.

So do I hence I shall : Vote: Jordan(Tamamono)

Jordan has been IMO over-roleplaying and generally useless as a participant

That being said what is the contingency for a tie?

[Hinckley]

I haven't had the time yet to fully check over everything I want to before casting a vote. Therefore I put up what you accurately decribe as a summary for now. I haven't had the chance to follow everything that has been said recently so I want to make sure I have not reached any inaccurate conclusions based on what we know so far.

So ping yourself!

You had time to fully summarize the situation but not to fully check it, huh? It's very common for Scum to summarize and seem helpful when three paragraphs of summarizing what other people have said doesn't really help, but gives the appearance of activity. So, have you had time now? Who are you leaning towards? What have your summaries told you?

I look forward to your very thorough analysis, once you've had time to "fully check" everything.

So do I hence I shall : Vote: Jordan(Tamamono)

Jordan has been IMO over-roleplaying and generally useless as a participant

Is there anyone who has been particularly useful?

As for a tie, I'm not sure there would be a lynch, since a majority is required to lynch.

[def]

Honestly, well past my n00b status, I've managed to overlook details in a role, particularly in the first 48 hours. Until my name is in my sig, I'm likely to forget it, and even after, especially when I have a 'name' with zero connection to my 'name.' Not a defense of anyone at all, but I would never go after someone for not knowing those sort of details on day one. Hell, in Heartlake, it was at least day two before I noticed the name my 'lunch' had. I'd read it, but hadn't noticed some details.

Whatever scum tells I see on Jordan are in reactions to accusations, and not into his initial behaviour. We'll see what happens toward the end of day one.

[The Legonater]

Hell, in Heartlake, it was at least day two before I noticed the name my 'lunch' had. I'd read it, but hadn't noticed some details.

Where is Heartlake, and what does this have to do with the present situation?

In all honest, I'm sill not really convinced we've caught on to a scum yet. All of these accusation seem to be based on mistakes or simple flubs. All except Mary or Dianne - the latter of which has been very calm with her defense Mary, on the other hand, has been wildly making accusations and switching her claims. She still gets my vote.

[Tamamono]

I just realized something. We are letting someone that forgot his own name get away with it? He used that as an excuse? Have you ever forgotten your own name? That's just stupid. Hell no. Bill, I still want an answer from you, please. Unvote: Bill (Capt. Redblade) Vote: Jordan (Tamamono)

I don't get what's so hard to understand here. It's Day 1 and my name has nothing to do with my username. Are you seriously going to push on me because I was still learning my character?

I don't have time to fully address all of your concerns, but I'll be back later, so I'll do it then. In the meantime, try not to mindlessly bandwagon me to death.

[Peanuts]

At somewhat the start of this day, I said the following:

Which is terribly shallow and no game host in his proper state of mind would do something so obvious as giving the members of team scum ‘evil’ looking/sounding LEGO set numbers.

After that the following happened:

Richard (ADHO15) agreed with what I had to say. His so claimed number is an old space (town) set.

Susan (TPRUS) claims to be something I never knew existed.

Bristol (Peanuts) refuses to give us her number. Why? I don’t know!

After that it was announced that the numbers were for a building contest.

All three of these people strike me as odd.

Richard agreeing with me so easily, while the claim I made should never be a valid point to vote someone off. Not even on day one.

Susans set is just weird. Did she chicken out because her real set number was the number of an ‘evil’ looking/sounding set? How the heck are we supposed to use that set in the building contest? So just admit it. You changed your set number and now that action backfired on you!

Bristol refuses to share her set number. Again, why not share what you know. Afraid of getting lynched?

Out of these three Susans case strikes me as most odd. So I shall Vote: Susan (TinyPiesRUs)

Are you confusing Mary with Susan?

Anyway, I thought I made clear why I didn't reveal my number, but I can elaborate:

Back then, we didn't, like, know what the numbers were about at all. I didn't think we should share information early on, especially if we don't know its meaning. You wouldn't, like, make your role public, would you? Of course, we have to work together at some point, but not on day one when we have, like, no idea who we can trust. It was helpful that some outed their numbers so we found out what they meant, but there was no need for all of us to do that.

Honestly, Babs, although you're right that we don't ~necessarily~ know what the numbers mean, the more info we have, the easier it'll be to catch liars (ie. scum). I see no reason not to share your number.

See above on the late claim. I have a theory on why we all have CITY sets, but I honestly think outing it out loud would help scum more than town.

So, you're fine with withholding theories, but info should be shared publicly? That theory better be, like, totally awesome. By the way, we don't all have City sets, unless those who claimed otherwise lied.

My vote stands with Crazy Weird Number Girl for now, but I am, like, suspicious of Blonde Forgets-His-Name Guy. Not just because of this comment or because he forgot his name (I can understand why someone would forget his name, it's, like, so bland), but because of his over-all erratical behavior and the reaction to the accusation.

[TheBoyWonder]

Where is Heartlake, and what does this have to do with the present situation?

In all honest, I'm sill not really convinced we've caught on to a scum yet. All of these accusation seem to be based on mistakes or simple flubs. All except Mary or Dianne - the latter of which has been very calm with her defense Mary, on the other hand, has been wildly making accusations and switching her claims. She still gets my vote.

I made one accusation. That was Diane, who initially seemed to be to my view ranting. I made 2 claims, but I made a mistake.

[def]

Where is Heartlake, and what does this have to do with the present situation?

Um, it is a place many of us here were, and it has to do with this situation in that many people had Personal Messages describing things of a personal nature, like 'ticket numbers.' Would you like it spelled out in more detail for you, personally, George? George? Your name is George, right? Like, your name is not Legonator in any way, right? It's George. Would you like directions to Heartlake, George? I'll draw you a map in crayon, if you need one. George.

Where is Heartlake indeed...

[CorneliusMurdock]

I like maps. Can I get a copy of that one?

After watching their reactions to the accusations, I'm going to

Vote: Jordan (Tamamono)

Even if he hadn't forgotten his name, he'd be setting off alarm bells for me. I think Mary is suspicious as well, but I think if she were scum, she'd have had her act more together. There's still the possibility that she acted without consulting her team, but I find that less likely.

[The Legonater]

Like, your name is not Legonator in any way, right?

It's not. I don't even know where you would think of such a ridiculous claim.

[Sandy]

By the way Stacy, earlier you seemed pretty confident that at least one Thief had lied about his or her number. Were you simply working off of a logical conclusion that one of the latecomers who claimed City sets could be lying or did you have physical evidence?

I thought logical deduction was something we were supposed to be doing, or was I wrong?

No, I have no evidence on anything yet, but the discussion about the numbers ended up being quite fruitful. Granted, people have acted pretty much the way I (as the Cruise Director who has done background checks on everyone in a totally non-stalkery way) thought they would, with certain people aggressively pushing others, while others making silly mistakes and getting their behinds served to them because of that.

Voting someone off because they forgot their number or name does not hold much water, but we have to start scouring for the truth somewhere. Based on some of his reactions to the accusations, I'm going to

Vote: Jordan (Tamamono).