The Pearl - Day Two

[def]

Sorry, repeatedly asking, and complaining about asking isn't 'hammering,' it's just going on about something not particularly relevant.

Mary is a so-so candidate for lynch. She's not clear. Perhaps the lynch on Jordan was to save her. Don't know. I find your behavior today worrisome, as with the push for the lynch on Jordan.

You're awfully aggressive today, simply from a little, light accusation.

[Hinckley]

Yeah, it's not very good. You're, like, totally not memorable, like, at all.

I feel honored to have one, even if it does point out my idiocy.

Sorry, repeatedly asking, and complaining about asking isn't 'hammering,' it's just going on about something not particularly relevant.

Mary is a so-so candidate for lynch. She's not clear. Perhaps the lynch on Jordan was to save her. Don't know. I find your behavior today worrisome, as with the push for the lynch on Jordan.

I cast the first vote for Jordan, yes, but where did I push for her lynch?

As far as your focus falling off of Mary, that is particularly relevant. Especially considering it took you all day to change your vote from a "so-so candidate".

[def]

What focus on Mary? I threw a vote out for her. I didn't push for her lynch whatsoever. I changed my vote for Jordon close to days end, so that dialogue could continue, and before I went to bed.

This is pretty transparent to me, that your sudden suspicions about me surfaced the moment I said you were looking scummy. Convenient timing. Put on a show, distract the crowd...

[Hinckley]

My suspicion remains on Alice for the most part.

Why do you think you're above suspicion in every game? I never said you were pushing for Mary, did I? And yes, your accusation does make me suspicious of you. Especially considering you're clinging to its flimsiness.

As for what you call my "push" on Jordan, here are some relevant quotes from yesterday for everyone's ease of review:

Going to bed soon... To change votes or not change votes. I'm not getting a particularly scummy read on Jordan, though he did over-react. That's been his unpleasant thing, I guess. We all have our demons.

Unless any passionate defenses come up in the next couple of hours, I'll switch up my vote before I pass out and put the nail in Jordan's coiffy coffin.

Actually, I could see this as Jordan's attitude if he were Town. He's been very bitter towards Mafia recently and that may actually be his mindset: "I'm Town. Screw you guys for suspecting me."

I could agree with this, although Alice is looking the most Scummy to me at this point. I've spoken with both lynch candidates in private and don't think it would really hurt to lose either. By your analysis, Phil-if that is your real name-obviously phony, Mary's affiliation could give us the most to work off of. However, if she turns up Town, how much does that really give us? Maybe the early bandwagoners deserve some scrutiny? Maybe... but we've seen Scum show up all sorts of places. So this is likely to help only if analyzed down the road along with other information we pick up along the way. She turns up Town tomorrow, it doesn't really give us a solid lead for Day Two. If she turns up Scum, that would be more interesting, but I'm not sure that defying a bandwagon on Day One is necessarily a scum-tell, although I'm aware I may be biased since my name is on the list of the scrutinized if she is Scum. I am willing to change my vote to her if we all agree we have the most to learn from her death.

What's nice is, say we all change our votes to Alice the Super Scum-meeeeeeh, we still have this original voting pattern to base things off of later, if we remember to keep it in our analysis.

I'm not scattering anything. It's explosive. It scatters on its own.

Well, she has come back and made three summarizing posts and then finally placed a vote. She said she wanted to check things out, but mostly just found more reasons to summarize about the two current lynch candidates. I would think that if she was checking things out, as she claimed, she might find something a little more than just more of what everyone else had already been saying. Although I admit I do not know Alice very well, or if she would normally be likely to analyze player behavior, besides what people are telling her to be wary of.

Lose does not equal loose. Learn the difference please.

This is the theory I came up with watching people's reactions to the two candidates. I couldn't have come to it earlier, since it's based on the behavior up to this point. Did I not also offer that we lynch Mary? I need to check my pockets because I don't want to lose my loose change.

We have a dozen hours, plenty of time to change. I will be sleeping at the day's end, though.

Do you think we should change or do you agree we have the most to learn from Mary's lynch?

I don't think we'll learn anything from any of them until they're all dead, and even then, only if one is scum. We can only learn so much from bandwagons, and usually it's that people can be sheep.

There's certainly enough time to solidify a lynch on one or the other of them, since right now, nobody will be lynched...

How does the Jordan lynch tell us anything about Alice? Because Alice voted for Mary? If Jordan is innocent, then it doesn't tell us that much, though...

I still like the Alice lynch, but I'm keeping my eye on Barbara. I can't tell if her re-telling of events and false accusation is Scummy or if it's her typical self-assured attitude. I hope everyone can see that I was not pushing for a Jordan lynch. I'm not sure why Barbara remembers it that way or wants you all to think that's how it went, but I was clearly most suspicious of Alice's behavior and offered twice to vote off Mary instead of Jordan. That's hardly the way Barbara is trying to get you to believe it happened.

[def]

Sorry, you weren't pushing for Jordan. My mistake.

Of course, I had little focus on Mary as well, so I don't get why you're making that out otherwise, except as a distraction...

[Hinckley]

Of course, I had little focus on Mary as well, so I don't get why you're making that out otherwise, except as a distraction...

I'm not saying you were focused on Mary. You said it several times yesterday that you weren't and even made fun of the bandwagon that formed behind you. My concern was that you were the first to vote for her and today had nothing more to say about it. Phil said it'd be interesting to see her affiliation to see if I or someone else had purposely changed focus to another candidate. And I didn't expect you to completely drop your original suspicion or what happened afterwards, for a suspicion of me that isn't based in anything. I don't mind if you're suspicious, bring it on, that's the only way we'll learn anything, but your accusation was particularly empty, even making false statements to support it.

So, what exactly am I distracting from? I'd like to continue pursuing my suspicion of Alice. One might say that you are trying to distract us from that...

[Captain Genaro]

Alright, Mod Note:

There is no correlation between set numbers and affiliations.

Just when I thought this trip couldn't get any worse, you go and ruin it for me . Oh well, I may as well go and drink my sorrows away. That solves most of the world's problems (or it should).

I'd like to continue pursuing my suspicion of Alice. One might say that you are trying to distract us from that...

So is Alice still top on your list of potential scum?

[def]

One might say that, but they'd be completely wrong. Keep up going after Alice. I have no opinion on her.

[Hinckley]

So is Alice still top on your list of potential scum?

I must just suck at communicating. Didn't I already say that several times?

One might say that, but they'd be completely wrong. Keep up going after Alice. I have no opinion on her.

Thanks for clearing that up. Do you have an opinion on anyone other than me?

[def]

Not really. I'm not an investigator, and I'm having a lot of trouble remembering who said what, a problem of every one of us having the exact same face.

But there is a very small chance that the lynch on Jordan was to save Mary... Maybe. Mary really did drop out when the lynch came on her, which is something she did before as scum, and didn't do as town...

[Hinckley]

Not really. I'm not an investigator, and I'm having a lot of trouble remembering who said what, a problem of every one of us having the exact same face.

I'm definitely having the same trouble. It's hard to make the details of people's hair as well since I seem to be drunk and forgot my glasses. Everything's pixelated.

But there is a very small chance that the lynch on Jordan was to save Mary... Maybe. Mary really did drop out when the lynch came on her, which is something she did before as scum, and didn't do as town...

That is a possibility. We can definitely still lynch her. I told her by PM she should've been prepared for the vig to kill her. A responsible vig would've gone after the second highest vote getter. I'm still worried that if Adam was our vig, he was blocked. Otherwise, even though he was killed, his kill should've gone through.

However, Mary did kind of disappear after the voting started although she answered my PMs. She was suspicious of Diana and Richard...whoever they are. A couple people have mentioned Richard.

So, is Mary more than a so-so candidate now, Barbara? I'm not trying to be a smartass...well not fully, just checking to see, are you saying you now maybe want to lynch her?

[def]

Mary is on the table.

[Hinckley]

That sounds wrong.

At least it's not a pinball machine...

[def]

Mary has always been a little loose with her womanhood.

[Hinckley]

Inappropriate.

[Scubacarrot]

Yeah, you kept talking about this correlation, and to me, it just seems to be a distraction. This looks like scummy behavior to me, but I still can't explain why you would tell us you knew who the vig was. So maybe I shouldn't look at you...

...but at the person who was completey fine with that 'theory'. Yeah, I'm highly suspicious of you now. You didn't make it up, but you endorsed it, which is totally, like, scummy behavior.

I was fine with that theory. It has around the appropiate number of scum, and it was not impossible. I don't know what you expect me to say to that, really.

[Dannylonglegs]

Well, hasn't this discussion been lively. I seem to have a hang-over from all that crazy furry-stuff that went on last night. Or that could have just been a dream. I remember some fox-guy who mixxed booze and a bitchy sheep-girl and a total jerk of a bear who ruined the party. Maaan, that was one hell of a night. Tropical night sounds fun! I could go for a Pina-Colada.

Anywho, I'm not sure what to make of the arguing going on between Jonathan and Babs. Overall though, Jonathan's posts today seem a bit strange. First he made all-sorts of 'blunders' in his posts, and then he proposed that bizarre previously discounted and potentially manipulative theory which really reminds me of what happened in Excalibur 1. I'm quite surprised that Jonathan believed the theory was possible, but I don't know his relationship with Bob. I don't know if it's really all-that incriminating, but it's certainly something I'll have to consider more closely before placing my vote. In the time being, I think I'll nap off this hang-over real quickly.

[TheBoyWonder]

Mary has always been a little loose with her womanhood.

Ill Have you know, I'm like a nun compared to some on this ship

Anyway, Diane still troubles me. It's a gut feeling. And if we do have an investigator/Rolecop, I implore them to test me out. Or, If they have,tell someone trustworthy to tell us all.

[def]

Anywho, I'm not sure what to make of the arguing going on between Jonathan and Babs.

What you should take from it is that I thought he was suspicious, at which point he needed to know why my focus had gone off of Mary, and I was all of a sudden suspicious. A lot of distraction, a lot of misdirection. But the key point is that he had never brought me up once until after I brought him up. No, he didn't like that one bit, did he...

Ill Have you know, I'm like a nun compared to some on this ship

I never saw a nun do what you were doing last night. You looked like you were full of the father, son, and the holy ghost No ma'am, that was pretty loose.

[ADHO15]

However, Mary did kind of disappear after the voting started although she answered my PMs. She was suspicious of Diana and Richard...whoever they are. A couple people have mentioned Richard.

Presumably that was simply because I was one of the main people hammering on at her yesterday and calling her out as a liar, and then one of the first to vote for her. I can't imagine she was pleased with that.

But a little extra concentration would go a low way, Johnathan. Like Paul said, there have been a lot of slip-ups today and you saw what Jordan's mistakes and forgetful attitude cost him... we would hate to lose any more innocents over such flimsy reasons.

@Babs: how did you get that incriminating picture of me?!

[Sandy]

So let me get this straight: Barbara and Jonathan were having a heated argument about whether Alice or Mary was the more likely one to be scum. And it was not even a matter of defending either one, just arguing which one was more suspicious. Is that really something to be fighting over?

One has to ask, where are Alice or Mary on this? Mary has barely said a word today, and Alice has not even spoken yet. Unless they come up with something really convincing, I'm ready to vote either one out.

[def]

So let me get this straight: Barbara and Jonathan were having a heated argument about whether Alice or Mary was the more likely one to be scum.

No, I thought Jonathan was being a little scummy, so he decided he thought I was being scummy for thinking so, and wanting to know why I wasn't going after Mary today.

I was never strongly accusing Mary in the first place on day one, so I didn't get why he kept bringing it up

I'm not sure what to think about him at all. He was way over-defensive and aggressive at my FOS, and he kept going on about the set numbers meanings even though it was not going to be a way to solve this. It's not a good sign.

[badboytje88]

Well good morning to you all. Actually bad morning to you all. I'm a bit late to the party, had a drink to much at the furry love party last night. Quite shitty to have lost, what appears to be, our vigilante so early in this game. I also have to say sorry to Susan, looking back on my vote yesterday, it was wrong of me to base my vote on your passenger number. Unless you are scum, then I did good.

I should like to see this theory cleared as soon as possible, if only to prove my own innocence. Mary would see to be a prime suspect for this, but if she is as scummy as she seems then...

If need be, I would present myself up for this test, if only to help the town. I hope it doesn't come to that, though.

That's a nice offer!

And yes, I do believe Bob may have actually set the game up for the set numbers to be clues to affiliation. I've even said after he "cleared it up" that it's something a host would do if they tried to add something they thought was clever and it backfired on them. Bob claiming they have nothing to do with each other still doesn't convince me. Looking at the ratio of Town:other sets and the fact that we have three dead Townies who all had Town sets... it's more than worth discussing and exploring. Especially considering the host shouldn't have intervened at all to explain the meaning of the set numbers.

I do have to say I agree with you. If I were hosting this I and the set numbers did relate to the persons affiliation I would try to save the game by doing the exact same thing as our host did.

So suspicion is on Mary, as it was yesterday, maybe it's time she speaks up a little.

[def]

If I was the host, something I would do is give hints to the variety of players. For example, giving out puzzle pieces to players, I would give out the number of pieces of townies, but distribute them randomly, so there is a meaning, but no clue to people's identities.

It will be interesting to see in the end whether the host was telling the truth, and it will probably be kind of bad if he wasn't. Hopefully that's not the case.

[Rufus]

I think Mary remains a good lynch candidate for today; the reasons I stated yesterday still apply, to an extent (I'll explain more shortly), and she hasn't exactly been vociferous since. I recall Jonathan saying he'd spoken to both Mary and Jordan, and didn't find much to implicate them; perhaps he could elaborate?

Looking at the lynch pattern from yesterday, there was a straight run of 9 votes for Mary before a rather sudden shift. The early voters were: Barbara, me (Phil), Richard, Bill, Diane, George, Thomas, Jordan, and Bristol.

Then a number of people posted without voting, or voting elsewhere: Scott, Lauren, Michael, and Jonathan, who started the lynch against Jordan. Later, Diane and Bristol changed their votes to Jordan from Mary. The people who posted around the time of the change, without immediately voting, include Paul, Matthew, and Alice - although Alice later voted for Mary.

If Mary is scum, then we should look at the people who voted later in the Mary bandwagon, and especially those who later changed their votes, and it would also put Jonathan on the spot a little. Those who posted, but avoided voting until later should also be under scrutiny. Of course it remains possible that Mary is town, thus rendering the whole analysis rather invalid.

About Alice...

It is interesting that we now have confirmation that the numbers are related to a building challenge later on. Bang goes my theory that they were just little 'Easter eggs'. I'll have to do some research into what this 'Star Wars' is.

As for Mary, I have known her on several occassions to make mistakes, sometimes this means she is a bad person, and sometimes not. This situation, I am not sure what it means. If she got the number wrong but didn't realise, that would be one thing, but having it linked to such an obscure set, would you not recheck it carefully? I know I would.

Likewise Jordan's admissions of forgetfulness about his name and not finding the passenger number initially. My passenger card was very easy to follow. Everyone can be forgetful at times but he's taken that to the extreme. We need people on board who are fully committed to rooting out the thieves, so bottom line, I think either would be a suitable lynch given what we have to go on so far.

It is indeed a common scum mistake to post like this. It's dithering without voting, and often seen where there is a scum bandwagon forming. In this case, however, we now know that Jordan was town, so I don't see why Alice wouldn't simply hop onto the Jordan bandwagon (3 votes already at this stage) if she were trying to save Mary.

The fact that she later voted for Mary also detracts from the idea that they are scum together. Mary could be scum; Alice could be scum; but I doubt they are both scum.

So is Alice a dithering scum or an indecisive townie? Initially, I thought the latter, but I was reminded of this famous quote from the fantasy saga 'Ragnarok Now':

I would like to add that they both might be town, and they're squabbling while the scum are taking advantage of all this confusion. But of course, what choice do we have? This is the only way to get answers, and I see no better options at the moment.

The question is, which one to vote for? As others have pointed out, Danr could be innocent accidentally defending Bergulf who is a follower of Loki, as we've seen just recently in one of the legends. Conversely, Danr could be scum trying to to look innocent by defending the innocent Bergulf. Maybe he had expected us to lynch Bergulf anyway, and then he would come up as looking innocent after all was said and done.

They could both be scum, with Bergulf trying to distance himself from Danr. We take a chance either way, but I would like to wait to see if anything comes up before I place my vote. I don't feel certain about either of them, but what choice do we have?

Here the Norse hero 'JimButcher' dithers between lynching either of two townies. He was, of course, scum. I'm coming round to the idea that Alice is too.