Sandy Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 I'd like to hear Lynette's real name as well. We must follow up on this clue, even if it might cost us the Town tracker. It's a 50/50 chance, at least, so if "Lynette" turns out to be scum, we know we can more likely trust the other tracker, and vice versa. What happens after the diamond was stolen from the scum? Does the scum win condition include being in possession of the diamond? this last question would also imply that the scum have another "role"; the thief which would in turn yield an investigative ability seeing that every time they would re-steal the diamond they would have targeted a neutral player which if this happens a few times would then means they could easily identify the menbers of the town and focus on killing them rather than "loose" kills on neutral entity which as said before would prove to be more help to scum then town, This setup, assuming that everything I wrote is true, would mean we are up against a scum team and a group of not-town-helping neutrals ... WTF is this is the setup, we are ducked! These are all questions I've been juggling in my head as well as soon as I heard about Barbara's victory condition. I'm anxious to see how this game will turn out in the end... Bob can you confirm that voting is in fact NOT mandatory and that failure to vote will not result in penalty votes? Nobody was penalized after Day 1 (there were non-voters then, right?), so I don't think voting is mandatory.
Hinckley Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 The majority has spoken. Pierre (CallMePie) can now speak for himself.
TrumpetKing Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Well, it looks like we won't find out for a bit, Jonathan appears to have left for a nap. Ooops, that hadn't shown up when I had typed this.
Hinckley Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 I'd like to hear Lynette's real name as well. We must follow up on this clue, even if it might cost us the Town tracker. It's a 50/50 chance, at least, so if "Lynette" turns out to be scum, we know we can more likely trust the other tracker, and vice versa Lets not forget that Pierre could've been Scott's killer. So if he's Scum it doesn't clear this other phantom result-seeing tracker.
Capt. Redblade Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 The majority has spoken. Pierre (CallMePie) can now speak for himself. Interesting. Pourquoi avez-vous dit un mensonge, Frenchy? (Sorry for my shaky French.)
TrumpetKing Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 I just realized something that really tips me off about Mary. She was a huge topic in Day One, not to mention she was almost lynched, yet she survived the night. Unless Matthew had planned on targeting her if he really was the Vig, then we certainly have a problem with her. However, Pierre's actions during night make no sense. There is one thing that strikes me as incredibly odd after hearing Jonathan's story. Basically, Jonathan said that he saw Pierre out of his cabin, which I believe is a tracker role, please explain this if I'm wrong, so then Pierre freaks out and says "I'm the tracker!!" instead of denying that he was out of the cabin. I'm fairly certain that Pierre is lying here. Unvote: Alice (Rumble Strike) Vote: Pierre (CallMePie)
Piratedave84 Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Interesting. Pourquoi avez-vous dit un mensonge, Frenchy? (Sorry for my shaky French.) Lol! That's actually very good, hyphenated and everything!! Bon travail! I would not have expected Lynette to be Pierre!!! Voici: [\b]unvote: Alice(rumblestrike) Vote: pierre(callmepie) We must test the theory, our due diligence as town is to ensure that traitors and liars are broughg to the gallows! Die scum! And if it turbs out your are not scum....sorry! Lets try this with the proper code: Unvote: Alice (Rumble Strike) Vote: Pierre (CallMePie) Lets try this with the proper code: Unvote: Alice (Rumble Strike) Vote: Pierre (CallMePie)
TrumpetKing Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Voici: [\b]unvote: Alice(rumblestrike) Vote: pierre(callmepie) You do know that there is a "bold" option, and you don't have to get confused about where the "/" goes now, right?
Piratedave84 Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Triple post Stoopid phone!!! Unvote: Alice (Rumble Strike) Vote: Pierre (CallMePie)
Rumble Strike Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 If the theory that Alice is scum is true, then it makes perfect sense that she would vote for Mary over Jordan, because at the time the heat was on Jordan and I think Alice, if she is scum, would’ve known that Jordan was the one who would be lynched at the end of the day, so she made a vote for Mary instead of someone who would be confirmed as a townie (Jordan). Just saying, it’s possible. At the time I voted there actually had been a swing in votes towards Jordan, but I don't think it was clear cut by any means who was going to get lynched. For that matter, the number of people who are purely checking in is a concern as well. As of this moment, this is all the posts some people have managed to squeeze in in near 48 hours (one of which being a Sunday, when almost everybody has a day off): Ferrik 2 TinyPiesRUs 2 TheBoyWonder 2 Rumble Strike 2 Palathadric 2 Piratedave84 2 Dannylonglegs 1 It's likely there are at least two scummies in that list. See, this is the kind of vague accusation that I don't have any problem with. I actually agree that there will be a couple of Scum lurking in the background waiting to see how it all plays out. But it's making a point without being overly aggressive about it. As for Babs's reveal, I am confused. I know, many of us are. I agree with Jack's assessment, that if it plays out like Babs states, then there are several neutrals running round that really don't need to help the Town as long as they find the diamond. My question is, is Babs looking simply for any Scum at all, which will transfer the diamond to her, or is it more likely to be a specific Scum who has the diamond? Because if it's the first, then her odds are obviously a lot better. As for "Lynette", I will await some explanation before switching my vote from Mary.
Capt. Redblade Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Lol! That's actually very good, hyphenated and everything!! Bon travail! Merci! It's been a while since high school French though, so I'm not as polished as I'd like to be. As for "Lynette", I will await some explanation before switching my vote from Mary. I think the best way to get an explanation is to cast le vote, and give him something to answer to, so... Vote: Pierre (CallMePie)
Rufus Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 The majority has spoken. Pierre (CallMePie) can now speak for himself. Pierre has been very quiet during this voyage. Jonathan said that he saw Pierre out of his cabin, which I believe is a tracker role, please explain this if I'm wrong, so then Pierre freaks out and says "I'm the tracker!!" instead of denying that he was out of the cabin. I'm fairly certain that Pierre is lying here. That's what I said: I'd like to hear more about Squeaky Lynette. If she was seen outside her cabin, then she must have been tracked, but yet she claimed tracker. Suspicious, no? Except you put it more clearly. I think you're right; that alone is suspicious as hell. However, at the moment we only have Jonathan's version of events; we probably ought to wait for Pierre's response, just in case Jonathan is pulling a fast one. I doubt it, but it's best to be safe, particularly if there's a possibility the day will end when a majority is reached. If Bob clarifies that it won't, then go ahead and vote, and I'll join you. There's (I think) about 24 hours left in the day.
TrumpetKing Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 It looks like Pierre is using "personal messenger". Perhaps he is panicking and asking his scum buddies what to do?
Rufus Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 He's around; I'll give him a couple of hours.
Piratedave84 Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 He's around; I'll give him a couple of hours. A couple of hours to consult his scum budddies!!!
CMP Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Alright then. Let's start off with the fact that Jonathan first contacted me implying he knew I was out of my cabin. Why were you out of your cabin last night? What were you up to? I was using my night action. I don't find you suspicious, but since last game I've decided to keep that more quiet than I usually do. I'm trying to stop claiming every time anyone asks what my role is. Well, I didn't know anything anyway. Notice I just asked what you were doing. Nobody told me you were out of your cabin. I responded saying I did not trust him with my night action. He replied admitting that he didn't actually know whether or not I was doing anything, just that he assumed I had one due to my overall quiet behavior. So I wasn't claiming to cover to my tracks. He said that he didn't actually know whether or not I had been seen by anyone, so why would I bother lying about my night action and target? He then started asking whether or not I was looking for something, bringing up the neutral jewel thief stuff. -Reasons he thought I had an action- Did you learn anything last night? -Reponse to reasons- No, sorry. Were you looking for something? No? What do you mean? Are you a neutral jewel thief? At this point I hadn't claimed yet. He's handing me a good one on a silver platter, wouldn't a scum want to go with the role Jonathan thinks he had? And this is where a lot of people seem to have the misconception I claimed because I was in trouble, or I was under suspicion, or whatever. Here's reality. OK. I'm writing a play. Can you just tell me what you do? I'm Town. I've been investigated. I may leave that part out of the play, but if you don't trust me, that's fine. It may help corner the Scum or serial killer if you tell me what it is you can do. No pressure, though. Please don't think I'm trying to force your role out of you. I'm having flashbacks to EB Mafia. This is the part where I divulged everything and lost the game. I'm the tracker. And I guess that's my fault for thinking claiming would actually help the town, when instead the tracker gets outed. Whatever. Why, when given the option to either claim or say absolutely nothing, would a scum choose to lie about his role? I wasn't freaking out, I hadn't been seen, or tracked, or whatever. If I was scum, I would be completely in the clear to say nothing. But no, I'm a townie, and a townie who actually wants to get stuff done. So I went and tried and help by claiming and telling him my target. And now here I am. Later, he asked who I tracked, I said CM, for no particular reason other than that I was looking for someone to try and trust, which is what I usually the first thing I do with an informative role. Maybe he wasn't the best choice to track, I'll admit that. Maybe I'm just too bent on telling the truth in these games to know when it's a bad idea. But I know lying won't get anyone but the scum anywhere, and that compiling the information with have is our best chance to survive. Questions? Comments? Concerns? Votes? Unvotes?
Sandy Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Yes, Pierre obviously needs some pressure to make him talk. Although I'm not exactly sure what we are expecting him to say... "Yes, I'm scum. You caught me now."? Unvote: Alice (Rumble Strike) Vote: Pierre (CallMePie) The main point against him is that he confessed targetting Scott, as did Barbara. Unless there was a third person targetting Scott, which seems somewhat unlikely, one of them is the killer. Pierre's silence makes him the more likely culprit in my books, although I could of course be wrong.
CMP Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 The main point against him is that he confessed targetting Scott, as did Barbara. You say that like my life depended on it. Confessed is the wrong word.
Dannylonglegs Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Hey Scummy, your mark-up is weird. ^ I don't know what "mark-up" means in this context, but I was simply saying that if we don't lynch one if the trackers today (which I think we should) that we should at-least investigate one. That was a fall back. I think we should lynch Pierre. If he's Scum, then good for us! If he's Town, then we know which one was really lying, and we've got our target for tomorrow. It'd be a shame to lose a Tracker, but It'd be even more of a shame to let a scum go free, and the story he told sounds pretty fishy, considering he only divulged it after you asked him what he was doing at night. Then again, we haven't heard his side yet, so there is a possibility this is the wrong course of action, but I'll Unvote: Mary (the BoyWonder), for now, and Vote: Pierre (CallMePie). Even if he's Town we'll learn allot from this Lynch, I think, and I want to hear what he has to say for himself.
Sandy Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 And I guess that's my fault for thinking claiming would actually help the town, when instead the tracker gets outed. Whatever. Why, when given the option to either claim or say absolutely nothing, would a scum choose to lie about his role? I wasn't freaking out, I hadn't been seen, or tracked, or whatever. If I was scum, I would be completely in the clear to say nothing. But no, I'm a townie, and a townie who actually wants to get stuff done. So I went and tried and help by claiming and telling him my target. And now here I am. You're making an awfully good point. Why would you tell Jonathan you targetted Scott - a dead man - when you could've easily lied about it and save yourself from getting suspected? Unless you somehow felt Jonathan already knew who you had targetted... Or you made a silly slip-up, which I somehow doubt in your case. If Jonathan verifies these quotes to be truthful, you seem too honest to be scum. That would raise the question whether we innocents would have two trackers on our side... Gah, something in this just doesn't match up... The fact remains that someone killed Scott, and two people confessed to targetting him. We would be all over Barbara by now if she had not told us about this other tracker. Again, who to believe...?
TrumpetKing Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 You are making some good points. As Bristol pointed out, if you were scum, why not just lie and avoid suspection? I really feel like lynching you will be the best, though, because I feel like there will just be a lot more confusion tomorrow if we don't lynch one of the two trackers, and quite frankly, I don't think the other one is coming up any time soon.
Rufus Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Jonathan could have saved us a lot of bother - and avoided revealing a night action - if he'd just paraphrased the conversation more tightly. I'm inclined to believe Pierre's repoinse. Time to get back to what Jonathan is so keen to avoid. Vote: Mary (BoyWonder)
CMP Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 I'm concerned about this other tracker, mostly because the modifier or whatever Barbara says he claims to have seems really odd to me. At the same time, it makes it a little less unlikely we're both town. What kind of confusion do you mean, Diane? You'll probably all end up lynching Jonathan when I come up town.
TrumpetKing Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 If you were kept here, then tomorrow everybody 9or at least myself) will be confused and stressing over these events. I'm actually more inclined to believe you, and my suspicions are slightly back. And now that I think about it, Barbara and Jonathan are slightly pulling away from Mary a bit, perhaps because they finally got the attention off of their scum? Unvote: Pierre (CallMePie) Vote: Mary (TheBoyWonder) Sorry for my votes flying everywhere today, guys.
Sandy Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 Time to get back to what Jonathan is so keen to avoid. Vote: Mary (BoyWonder) You're right. Too many distractions. We can only lynch one person at a time, anyway, so we'll have to see what the night brings us. Unvote: Pierre (CallMePie) Vote: Mary (TheBoyWonder)
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