Rufus Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 I'm still uneasy about this. Barbara's could be lying, but her claim is so convoluted and unnecessary that I can't believe it's entirely fabricated. So far, her story has been consistent, but it would be increasingly difficult to maintain consistency as the game progresses, and all that would need to happen for the whole house of cards to come crashing down is for her to be investigated. That being said, if she really is neutral, we don't necessarily have to believe everything she says. Barbara's tracker contact intrigues me. I wondered if it were an invention, although the manner of her revelation implies that she hadn't at that stage figured it was a different tracker, so again there's a ring of truth. If it were an invention, why? As a counter-claim, to make Jonathan's tracker look more suspicious? It's a possibility, but again supposes that Barbara is lying about the whole thing (and is actually scum), because otherwise, why bother? It could be to back up her claim (and nothing to do with Lynette/Pierre), but if so it's just another lie that could be disproved later. Assuming Barbara is telling the truth, then we have the problem of how or why her tracker got the 'unsuccessful' result of her action. Host discretion perhaps? Barbara herself has explained one possible reason, that it was to prevent her role being automatically assumed to an SK or something, so throwing her a lifeline. As for Pierre, his response has been surprisingly level-headed, and there's little evidence of hesitation in the quoted conversation (ie., no protracted consultation with team-mates; there's only an hour between initial contact and claim, with lots of conversation in between). Two things are odd: his willingness to trust Jonathan ('I don't find you suspicious') and his choice of Scott as a target. If you were going to lie about a role, then claiming tracker is a relatively safe claim, especially when you claim a target that can't disprove your result because they are dead. What makes it a risky claim is the possibility of a counter-claim. How did Pierre know that Jonathan hadn't been in touch with another tracker already? Then there's the claim itself: I'm the tracker. The tracker, not a tracker. Pierre seems confident that there won't be a counter-claim. Gah, this is difficult, but we have to clear this up, one way or another. Wacky though her story is - perhaps because of it - I'm inclined to believe Barbara, and, in for a penny, in for a pound and all that, I may as well believe the whole sodding lot. Which means Pierre must be lying. Unvote: Mary (BoyWonder) Vote: Pierre (CallMePie)
Hinckley Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 Why do people know I'm a third party? Because I said so. Why do people know I targeted Scott? Because I said so. Why did I say so? Because I have a harmless third party role that will only be supported by any watcher/tracker/blocker/whatever the town hits me with. But, feel free to throw a lynch at me anytime. I won't win, but I will be free of repeating the details of my bizarre role. You had much more incentive to say you targeted Scott since you were caught doing so by a tracker. If that's the case though, then the result seeing part must be true or he would've come forward to bust you. If the tracker is real at all.
Palathadric Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 1. Each player will be given a character to play. That character will be aligned with either the Innocents or the Thieves. To win the game, the Innocents must vote or kill off all the Thieves, while the Thieves need to outnumber the Innocents. Additionally, keep on the look out for other factions. Each character was given a sort of “bare-bones” description. Expand on your character a bit, give them their own tropes and play with them. Honestly, though, looking at it from this perspective, no matter if Barbara is "scum" or "neutral." She is a thief and is therefore one of our targets. Right or wrong? I'm not sure. I do still feel a bit uneasy voting off Pierre, because as Phil said his responses have been very level-headed and in general more town-tells than scum-tells to me. There are the oddities though. Babs role just seems a bit too strange for my liking. It doesn't seem like it either helps or hinders either the town or scum and leaves her with no incentive to help either side. She needs to steal the ruby/diamond/whatever/sparkly thing from the scummy theives, but her doing so, from what I can see, doesn't hinder them any. Would Bob really come up with a role like this? I suppose it's possible, but still...
def Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 You had much more incentive to say you targeted Scott since you were caught doing so by a tracker. If that's the case though, then the result seeing part must be true or he would've come forward to bust you. If the tracker is real at all. NO I DIDNT, because I told your source before all this stuff came up. You have had no clue about my business from the start, just paranoid ramblings. But thanks for more of your input. Honestly, though, looking at it from this perspective, no matter if Barbara is "scum" or "neutral." She is a thief and is therefore one of our targets. NO. My third party role is MASTER CRIMINAL. My ACTION is jewel thief. Got it? Need to have it repeated? Ask the host if you are more confused now.
Palathadric Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 "Master Criminal?" Scum Godfather! Whatever, dudess, you're still a robber and a criminal at that!
def Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 "Master Criminal?" Scum Godfather! Whatever, dudess, you're still a robber and a criminal at that! Awesome. Thanks for letting us know your value to the game
TrumpetKing Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 Now, I've never played mafia in Bizarro World where you apparently learned, but I want to tell you something about the SK. The Serial Killer is likely to do a few things. 1) kill other players and 2) work hard to appear like they didn't, and that they are town. Maybe the SK's you're accustomed to do differently. I didn't say anything that looked like I learned in "Bizarro World". In fact, I know I didn't learn from Bizarro World. Ask my two schhol teachers if you so wish to hear where I learned. Dianne, you think Pierre's story is plausible? Plus you tried to fish me for info on the tracker I've talked to today (which I didn't give)? Sorry, but if Pierre comes up scum, you are 95% likely to be scum. I don't think his story is plausible anymore. It seemed to make sense then. Now I'm just a jumbled mess, but I feel like I'm grasping what everyone else is saying. Basically, Pierre kind of freaked out and claimed tracker, an easy claim, when Hinck messaged him asking him why he was out. That seems pretty scummy and was I believe the same reason I voted for him earlier. I was fishing for info on your tracker? That is a very very harsh way of putting it. I told you to tell somebody who you trust, in case the scum or a possible still living vig killed you. You then rudely said that you didn't trust me, as if you skimmed what I had said. I then explained what I said above again, to which you responded "Oh, alright. I know how to play my own game. " Right now, you are acting like a serious dick. I at least know you aren't lying about being neutral, since it isn't town. Unvote: Mary (TheBoyWonder) Vote: Pierre (CallMePie)
MagPiesRUs Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 I'm still not confident in the Mary lynch. I can't imagine the scum lying so blatantly about their passenger numbers. It's been cleared up that the numbers don't relate to allegiances, which means the scum team likely have a good mix of different numbers. Thus, I imagine the scum would be would've realised there was no correlation and wouldn't have bothered lying about which numbers they received. It's just far too risky. I feel this tracker business should be cleared up. I can't imagine we'd have two trackers on this ship, so one must be lying. I'm inclined to believe Barbara's tracker, since their "unsuccessful" result is less fake-able and supports Babs' role claim. As has been said, Pierre's claim just seems a little too convenient. Vote: Pierre (CallMePie)
Piratedave84 Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 I just answered you. You yell at Bristol for voting for who she thinks is Scummy and then tell me to do it. Is Bristol supposed to vote with the group and I'm supposed to vote for who I think is the most Scummy? No, I'm making a point in sticking to my vote for Mary. You even quoted it and yet you ask again. I'm sarcastically sticking to a stupid vote. So many people are trying to distract us from actual discovery by suggesting I'm trying to save my Scum buddy Mary, so let's lynch her to get that theory out of the way and we can start pointing the finger at the people who are really trying to cause distractions. SNIP The way I intended for the message to be was more in the lines of you both should be voting for the person you feel is scum rather than "with the group". That having been said, I understand why you are voting as you are and I respect it; it is true that the "fluff" is distracting from the main issue. Your aggressiveness raises an eyebrow. Don't make me pull out the Antoine Dodson emoticon again. SNIP Yeah it's possible that it does but I still cannot believe that people are willing to vote for Mary when we have a much more suitable lynch candidate in the form of either Barbara, Pierre or even the unknown "tracker". IMO if mary was really scum, she would be trying aling with her team to save her megablocks more ardently than she is; watch this, should she be lynched she will flip town. Mary's attitude towards her lynch make me believe she is Vanilla. All that being said, I will again change my vote to Pierre, I think Stacy made a very good point and I am willing to change my vote back if it means we can get answers. Pierre's lynch would enable us to sort out whom between Jonathan and Barbara is telling the truth and to then scrutinize the "liar" tomorrow. Unvote: Alice (RumbleStrike) Vote: PIerre (CallMePie)
def Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 I don't think his story is plausible anymore. It seemed to make sense then. Now I'm just a jumbled mess, but I feel like I'm grasping what everyone else is saying. Basically, Pierre kind of freaked out and claimed tracker, an easy claim, when Hinck messaged him asking him why he was out. That seems pretty scummy and was I believe the same reason I voted for him earlier. I was fishing for info on your tracker? That is a very very harsh way of putting it. I told you to tell somebody who you trust, in case the scum or a possible still living vig killed you. You then rudely said that you didn't trust me, as if you skimmed what I had said. I then explained what I said above again, to which you responded "Oh, alright. I know how to play my own game. " Right now, you are acting like a serious dick. I at least know you aren't lying about being neutral, since it isn't town. Contacting me about my contact with a tracker is fishing. Just because you say, "I don't mean tell me," doesn't make you not fishing. And me stating so doesn't make me a dick. Seriously. And me letting you know I know how to play is a polite thing to do. I didn't tell you, "Oh, alright. I know how to play my own game. " as you put in quotes, literally going against the meaning of quote marks, in order to make me look more dick-ish, I wrote, and I quote, "No worries then, I know how to play, thanks " I was being friendly and polite to someone who was fishing, and/or giving unneeded advice. Take it as being friendly and polite. No need to start a squabble over misinterpreted emoticons. As it is, I've heard some word in the last hour lightly clearing you, so I'll stay off your back for now, and you'll have no need to call me a dick in the near future. Sound fair, or am I still being a dick?
Piratedave84 Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 Hello town? is everyone asleep? As it currently stands we will not accomplish a lynch today .. which would be a bad thing ... If my calculation are right, we need one more vote before the day ends to lynch PIerre ... anyone ... anyone?
Bob Posted February 19, 2013 Author Posted February 19, 2013 Vote Count: Mary / TheBoyWonder: 7 (Captain Genaro, ADHO15, The Legonater, Rumble Strike, Hinckley, Ferrik, badboytje88) Alice / Rumble Strike: 1 (Nightshroud99) Pierre / CallMePie: 10 (Capt. Redblade, Dannylonglegs, Sandy, def, Palathadric, Scubacarrot, Rufus, TrumpetKing67, TinyPiesRUs, Piratedave84 ) Michael / badboytje88: 1 (Peanuts) With 21 players, a majority of 11 votes is needed for a lynch. ~5 hours remain in the day.
Sandy Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 If my calculation are right, we need one more vote before the day ends to lynch PIerre ... anyone ... anyone? Gah, only one more vote needed! This makes me even more confident that we're on the right track, since so many people are holding back their votes. Getting no conviction would be a major setback to the Innocents, after all. We'd have to go through all of this again tomorrow.
The Legonater Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 And so the final pieces fall into place. I've still got a bad feeling about Mary, but this will do us better. And if Pierre turns up innocent, then I guess Babs is guilty. Unvote: Mary / TheBoyWonder Vote: Pierre / CallMePie
Dannylonglegs Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 I'm glad to see we're doing the smart thing and Lynching Pierre. Even if it means losing our Tracker, we'll find out more from this then we will from Lynching Mary. If he Turns up innocent, I think that's points towards Mary and Jon (although more for Jon then Mary, I think. If Jon was covering for her today with his reveal, then he was being very obvious about it, and she'd have to be the godfather or some very powerful scum role for him to do it so blatantly. I think it's more likely that he's not connected with Mary. Also, it'll be almost confirmed that the second tracker's scum.) But if he turns up scum, that makes me allot less suspicious of Babs also being scum, as she was the one to bring up the second investigator in the first place. All in all, I think this is the right choice.
Hinckley Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 I've had no time to catch up today. Swamped. Bad phone access. unvote: Mary (TheBoyWonder) vote: Pierre (CallMePie)
CMP Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 Wish there was something more I could do, but I suppose not. As they say in France, adios.
Nightshroud99 Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 Unvote: Mary (BoyWonder) Vote: Pierre (CallMePie) woops, wrong quote unvote: Alice (Rumble Strike) Vote: Pierre (CallmePie)
Peanuts Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 Your vote does count and it may j Sorry about that!!! Why vote for michael if you don't think he should be lynched!? How does that make sense? "Hey! Look at me voting for this guy who I'm suspicious of but we should not lynch!! Let's sceutinize him but not vote for him!" WTF! Votin is not mandatory and if you are just gonna vote "but not to get a lynch" then withhold your vote! ^ that by the way was a double post ... And this is a triple post!!! As said above... WHYYYYYY! Why not vote for who you think is scum rather than stick with the group! I voted for someone I think is scum, you know. I just said that the two tracker claims are more important, as they are more substantial. So why wasn't I voting for Spanish Waiter Guy? As I said, I wanted to hear from other neutral thieves, before I trust someone who claimed such a role. Right now, no matter what affiliation Waiter Guy has, lynching Neural Non-Thief Mastermind Girl still sounds like a good idea to me. We can't trust her, and she still could be an SK. I think it's possible Spanish Guy said the truth and is one of us, but we'll find out tomorrow, that's for sure. I'll stick with my vote for now, as once again, there's no point in voting with the group once a majority is reached. And I know my vote at that point could have led to a lynch of Michael Guy, but really, I would have liked that. I'm more suspicious of him than of Weird Number Girl. Spanish Waiter Guy is basically dead, and wheter or not he's scum depends a lot on wheter or not Neutral Girl said the truth, and maybe she did, maybe she didn't. I'm not sure. But who cares, it's a risk we can take, as someone said, the tracker is basically useless now that he's found out.
Piratedave84 Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 I voted for someone I think is scum, you know. I just said that the two tracker claims are more important, as they are more substantial. So why wasn't I voting for Spanish Waiter Guy? As I said, I wanted to hear from other neutral thieves, before I trust someone who claimed such a role. Right now, no matter what affiliation Waiter Guy has, lynching Neural Non-Thief Mastermind Girl still sounds like a good idea to me. We can't trust her, and she still could be an SK. I think it's possible Spanish Guy said the truth and is one of us, but we'll find out tomorrow, that's for sure. I'll stick with my vote for now, as once again, there's no point in voting with the group once a majority is reached. And I know my vote at that point could have led to a lynch of Michael Guy, but really, I would have liked that. I'm more suspicious of him than of Weird Number Girl. Spanish Waiter Guy is basically dead, and wheter or not he's scum depends a lot on wheter or not Neutral Girl said the truth, and maybe she did, maybe she didn't. I'm not sure. But who cares, it's a risk we can take, as someone said, the tracker is basically useless now that he's found out. But PIerre was not a "dead man" at the time of the original post and at that time your vote did matter; besides what makes Michael so suspicious to you? Who is to say that there are other neutral thieves? the fact the the self-proclaimed thief said so himself .... hardly convincing argument IMO! Also the fact that Pierre is scum or not depends much more, if not entirely, on wether or not Jonathan lied .... not Barbara ... well maybe Narbara as a part in it but not merely as much as Jonathan ... Also ... 500th post!!!!!
Peanuts Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 But PIerre was not a "dead man" at the time of the original post and at that time your vote did matter; besides what makes Michael so suspicious to you? Who is to say that there are other neutral thieves? the fact the the self-proclaimed thief said so himself .... hardly convincing argument IMO! Also the fact that Pierre is scum or not depends much more, if not entirely, on wether or not Jonathan lied .... not Barbara ... well maybe Narbara as a part in it but not merely as much as Jonathan ... Okay, sorry if I was confusing, my comment consisted of two parts, one where I said why I voted for someone who wasn't my primary candidate for lynching, and one where I said why I kept voting for him. He wasn't a dead man back then, but now he is. Also, I never said I was convinced of Mastermind Girl's claim to be one of many. In fact, I wanted to state I was not. If I had been I'd voted for Spanish Guy from the beginning; I just wanted to hear from other thieves so I know there are other thieves, and that she said the truth about that, almost clearing her from being an SK. I don't think Theory Guy lied, he was too forward for being scum, and the conversation with Spanish Guy obviously existed. There's not much else he could have lied about (unless I'm missing something, in which case, pelase tell me). No, in my opinion it depends on wheter the second claim actually existed or if it was made up by an SK trying to save himself.
Bob Posted February 19, 2013 Author Posted February 19, 2013 Vote Count: Mary / TheBoyWonder: 7 (Captain Genaro, ADHO15, Rumble Strike, Hinckley, Ferrik, badboytje88) Pierre / CallMePie: 12 (Capt. Redblade, Dannylonglegs, Sandy, def, Palathadric, Scubacarrot, Rufus, TrumpetKing67, TinyPiesRUs, Piratedave84, The Legonater, Nightshroud99) Michael / badboytje88: 1 (Peanuts) With 21 players, a majority of 11 votes is needed for a lynch. Therefore, Pierre / CallMePie has been lynched. Please do not post and please get your night actions in.
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