The Pearl - Day Two

[Scubacarrot]

Oh and by the way. Barbara really didn't have much reason to lie if she killed Murdock, only if she thought she was tracked or something. And the last time we saw a non-killing neutral? Excalibur. I see it as plausible.

[Rufus]

Of the two trackers, I find Squeaky Lynette the more suspicious. Apparently, she didn't volunteer the information, but admitted it only when challenged.

It is odd that Barbara's tracker got an 'unsuccessful' result on Barbara's action, yes; however, if they were a scum tracker, why then contact Barbara? This story has more of a ring of truth about it.

Of course, we only have Jonathan's and Barbara's word about these.

[ADHO15]

Let's gather as much info as we can before revealing Lynette. There's a slim chance she might be telling the truth, although I doubt it. Just considering she told me she targeted Scott, and I assume she was covering her megablocks in case Scott was watched and I really did know who she targeted. And her reasons for targeting Scott are somewhat lame. Though, I admit, that's subjective...

So why don't you offer her up and we can gage her reaction and hear her explanation? That seems like pretty important info.

[badboytje88]

I shall too Vote: Mary (TheBoyWonder) since I happen to think she is more suspicious than Alice, due to the time she took to place her vote and for not contributing that much when she is accused of something.

For now I shall look back what happened today and see if there's something I need to adress...

[def]

I will vote for Mary, but I'm going to hold off for now so that the discussion can continue... And maybe Mary will actually show up. But I get the feeling she's been so quiet, hoping that other heated debates will eclipse whatever suspicions are left on her.

You don't need to get into fights (and preferably, you don't), but when people are pointing fingers at you, you need to at least deal with people and give them a reason to think you're willing to step up. If you can't participate when your head's on the block, what chance are you going to participate at other times?

For that matter, the number of people who are purely checking in is a concern as well. As of this moment, this is all the posts some people have managed to squeeze in in near 48 hours (one of which being a Sunday, when almost everybody has a day off):

Ferrik 2 TinyPiesRUs 2 TheBoyWonder 2 Rumble Strike 2 Palathadric 2 Piratedave84 2 Dannylonglegs 1

It's likely there are at least two scummies in that list.

[Hinckley]

In terms of my 'personal shit', I'm talking my game stuff. I don't need you outing my role. It's a dick thing to do. And then sending me PMs to explain after... Jesus, ask first, then, if you're sure I'm lying, reveal. No need to megabluck up my game if you don't know what's up. Bull in a Cina shop.

I didn't out your role. You did that. That's what these games are about: discovery. I disagree that I ducked up your game at all. You revealed yourself. And if you are a killer and this ducked up your game, then good. And when I hear there's an admitted neutral who claims to have targeted a Townie who is now dead, I will most likely reveal the story to everyone, every time. Call that being a dick if you want. I just call it my strategy.

So, have any other Jewel Thieves contacted you?

[def]

I will most likely reveal the story to everyone be a dick, every time.

I was upfront about myself to the person who shared my story with you. I honestly think most savvy players would keep it in private. That person I told wasn't compelled to write a play about me for all to see. Bad play, all around.

So, have any other Jewel Thieves contacted you?

Nope. But they might not even be playing, since all they need to do is send in a night action. The votes mean nothing to them, other than not appearing scum.

I don't know if there's even more than one. I was simply told there might

When you tried to drum up a lynch for me/make a case about me/put me in your dumb play without having any contact with me, you forced me to out myself. You might not think so, but that's you incapable of admitting things. I could let you control literally everything, or take control myself by making a defense. I wasn't about to out myself until you did what you did. But you won't accept that you had any involvement megabluck this shit.

[Piratedave84]

Jeez there was a lot to read!!!

Now that I'm caught up and re-read day one as well, I feel confident about voting for whomever Lynette is; However I shall say a few things first:

What I find odd is that nobody seems to be too concerned about the two tracker claims. However, many people are stuck on the idea that I'm supposedly insulting everyone. Geez, you people are all retards.

That was my first thought when I read Barbara's claim of a tracker contacting her; it would be very unlikely that there would be 2 trackers ... well maybe not that unlikely actually, what is both teams had a tracker, a scum tracker (which IMO is Lynette) and a town tracker (whomever contacted barbara)

I would really like to know Lynette's name but maybe wait until tomorrow, it looks like Mary will be lynched today so maybe we can maybe get more info on the "real" tracker tonight.

SNIP

Well, I'd like to think it was skill. But, basically, yes. It was a shot in the dark and she incriminated herself. She claims to have targeted Scott and gotten the result that Scott targeted nobody.

SNIP

Skill? really? I was going to ask you about how you found out she was out of her cabin if she in fact was the tracker; I feel we are maybe missing a piece of the puzzle regarding how you found out about Lynette being out and about but I find your theory generally plausible so I am willing ot overlook this for the time being; but it is odd

What kind of tracker gets your target and your result?

SNIP

I have never heard of such a result being provided to a tracker, sounds like a mix between investigator and tracker which again I have never heard of such a role.

SNIP

For that matter, the number of people who are purely checking in is a concern as well. As of this moment, this is all the posts some people have managed to squeeze in in near 48 hours (one of which being a Sunday, when almost everybody has a day off):

Ferrik 2 TinyPiesRUs 2 TheBoyWonder 2 Rumble Strike 2 Palathadric 2 Piratedave84 2 Dannylonglegs 1

It's likely there are at least two scummies in that list.

Yeah sorry about that, both my wife and my 2 year old were sick with the flu so I had to play nurse for the weekend; YAY!!!

I know I should not be making excuses during mafia and I apologize!

Funny you should publish that list and specifically say that there are likely 2 scum in there; 2 players on that list are pretty high on my list of scummos!

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All that being said; I feel it is unlikely that Mary will turn up scum, i think she is just clueless. My opinion on this matter at this point matters very little and I am not willing/able to defend her but I have a gut feeling she is town and not scum.

Another point is that if Barbara's role is exactly as she stated, there is absolutely no reason for us to ever lynch her; she is no harm to the town and it would better serve the scum to lynch her seeing we would not lynch one of them, my stance on the whole neutral-thief situation is that we should leave Barbara untouched for the time being.

My vote will be better placed for whomever Lynette is. Should Lynette's name not be exposed I will then vote for Alice.

Jonathan; what is the likelyhood of Lynette's adentity being shared seeing that a few of us have asked?

[Dannylonglegs]

I will vote for Mary, but I'm going to hold off for now so that the discussion can continue... And maybe Mary will actually show up. But I get the feeling she's been so quiet, hoping that other heated debates will eclipse whatever suspicions are left on her.

You don't need to get into fights (and preferably, you don't), but when people are pointing fingers at you, you need to at least deal with people and give them a reason to think you're willing to step up. If you can't participate when your head's on the block, what chance are you going to participate at other times?

For that matter, the number of people who are purely checking in is a concern as well. As of this moment, this is all the posts some people have managed to squeeze in in near 48 hours (one of which being a Sunday, when almost everybody has a day off):

Yeah, sorry about that. It's been one of the busiest 2 days-off I've had in a long time. I planned on posting at-least two more comments then I was able to.

Before the discussion comes to an end, I think I'll Vote: Mary (TheBoyWonder). Not because I found her initial actions particularly scummy, but since her silence in the face of a potential Lynch (and how she seems to be riding this new info out) is pretty scummy. If we don't vote off one of the two trackers, she's my back-up.

That said, there's two tracker claims apparently, so someone's got to be lying. Even though this info is coming from Johnathan, who's been acting oddly aggressively today and who tried to make a case out of the numbers, which I find kinda suspicious (not helped by the similarity to what happened in Excalibur), and Babs, a claimed Neutral Jewel Thief Investigator ( ), there's still no reason to lie about the tracker claims--meaning I believe we've had two claims even though those reporting this info are on my list of people I'm not sure about. (Also, the arguing is getting annoying. Please play nice you two. Where's that Heartlake friendship?)

The way I see it, there's a number of ways this could tun out, but either way, these trackers can't be both on the same side.

A. Babs is Neutral, John is Town, Babs' Tracker is Town, John's is scum: This seems to me the most reasonable, or at-least it did until Babs mentioned that his saw his success/lack of success. It's one of the simplest ways this could go down.

B. Babs is Neutral, John is Town, Babs' Tracker is Scum, John's is Town: Just as reasonable as the previous, considering one Tracker only claimed after being afraid of being watched, and the other claims to have seen success.

C. Babs is Scum, John is Town, Babs' Tracker is Town, John's is Scum: This isn't all that unreasonable a theory, Maybe we've caught two already and the Neutral Thief is just a convincing lie.

D. Babs is Neutral, John is Scum, Babs' Tracker is Scum, John's is Town: This seems like an unfortunately plausible solution too, but it would require John to meat-shield his scum Tracker once the real Tracker is eliminated, so it's not my #1 theory.

A and B are my most realistic theories, since they're also the simplest. Of the two, I'm still more partial to 1. We could use the "Day-Investigator" on this tomorrow if no one else can decide, but I think it's best to get rid of the scummiest one, and so far that seems to be "Lynette."

[def]

Please stop voting for Mary, or this day will end before the discussion is hammered out.

[Hinckley]

I was upfront about myself to the person who shared my story with you. I honestly think most savvy players would keep it in private. That person I told wasn't compelled to write a play about me for all to see. Bad play, all around.

Nope. But they might not even be playing, since all they need to do is send in a night action. The votes mean nothing to them, other than not appearing scum.

I don't know if there's even more than one. I was simply told there might

When you tried to drum up a lynch for me/make a case about me/put me in your dumb play without having any contact with me, you forced me to out myself. You might not think so, but that's you incapable of admitting things. I could let you control literally everything, or take control myself by making a defense. I wasn't about to out myself until you did what you did. But you won't accept that you had any involvement megabluck this shit.

Over-react much? I didn't try to drum up a lynch for you. I didn't even give anyone your name. Your opinion about my game play is subjective. You can't control what I do. Learn to accept that things are going to happen in these games that you can't control and you may have more fun. You're just too uptight. The game will be as fun as you make it.

I am, however, surprised that people are still focusing on Mary and Alice, as crazy as your story is, and for that matter, Lynette's story. You don't seem too concerned with Lynette either. She hasn't done much to inspire confidence in private since I first wrote the play either. But, there are two things that continue to bother me about what you ... well, I just refer to her in the third person as her "megabluck this shit" attitude makes me doubt she'll be responding to me at all. The two things that still bother me about Barbara are:

1. Her initial explanation mentions other 3rd-party factions that she needs to get the diamond before they do. Now that doesn't seem to be the case. Her story contradicts itself. At first it sounds like she may be a part of a 3rd-party faction that is racing to get the diamond before another third party faction does. Now, they can all work together. Sounds fishy.

2. When I asked her which tracker seemed more Scummy, she said that the one who tracked her does. That's extremely odd since she hasn't done anything about these suspicions. When I said it was Lynette who was likely to lie about tracking Scott and maybe actually killed him, Barbara came back and said that her tracker offered to be targeted by Barbara tonight to prove that they are Town. So, why has their been no pursuit from Barbara into this tracker that she thinks is the Scummier of the two? Why continue to focus on me, for revealing info that can only help the Town?

I also find it suspicious that Barbara has dropped her suspicions of me. All morning she was calling me Scum. Now, I reveal her story (not her) and now the accusations have all stopped? If you're neutral, Barbara, isn't it still possible I'm Scum? Do you still think I am? Or have your suspicions completely shifted to being pissed that I told your story (anonymously)?

[def]

Other obnoxious crap that I had to deal with came up. I don't think you are clear in any way, until you start lynching scum. For now, Mary is the vote leader, and her continued absence makes her a better candidate.

[Hinckley]

Skill? really? I was going to ask you about how you found out she was out of her cabin if she in fact was the tracker; I feel we are maybe missing a piece of the puzzle regarding how you found out about Lynette being out and about but I find your theory generally plausible so I am willing ot overlook this for the time being; but it is odd

Yes, skill vs. luck. I thought she was acting odd and I specifically thought her odd behavior meant she was hiding something, so I tricked her into revealing that she has a Night Action. I call is skill. Maybe I'm giving myself too much credit?

Jonathan; what is the likelyhood of Lynette's adentity being shared seeing that a few of us have asked?

If everyone wants her revealed, then I'll do it. Barbara's tracker is also weird, though. Especially considering Barbara seems to think she was the Scummier of the two, but only mentioned that when prompted. I agree that they can't be on the same side, but what if Barbara's is the Scum tracker and mine is actually the Scum killer? That's another possibility.

Lynette took quite a while to reveal her role to me. She eventually said she targeted Scott, but it could be because she actually killed him. She wouldn't say "I'm the killer". She thinks she may have been caught targeting Scott so admits to targeting him, but was actually killing him and not tracking. See how they could both be Scum? Or all three of them?

If I hear a majority asking for Lynette's name, I'll reveal it.

[def]

Especially considering Barbara seems to think she was the Scummier of the two, but only mentioned that when prompted.

You are willfully ignoring so many details, it's really :wall:

If there were a scum tracker and a town tracker (though that's unlikely), scum would not have put their tracker on the person they kill. They would want to collect useful information. That makes sense, right? So, if your tracker is actually a tracker, than the one I talked to, who is most definitely a tracker since they knew who I targeted, is scum. But you aren't sure about yours. Got it?

And my role is incredibly clear, though you still can't get it. I have to get the diamond. Other third parties have to too. The scum have it. So if I target scum first, I will get it. If someone else does, I will have to steal it from them instead. Crystal clear. ALL NON-SCUM, NON-TOWN PLAYERS ARE "THIRD PARTIES," EVEN IF THERE ARE FIFTY OF THEM. If we work together, we can just let each other know who has it once we got it, and we all fulfil the win condition, which is simply to have had possession of the thing at some point in the game. THAT HAS BEEN MY CONSISTENT STORY THAT YOUR NOGGIN CAN'T PROCESS.

Good night!

[Piratedave84]

SNIP

1. Her initial explanation mentions other 3rd-party factions that she needs to get the diamond before they do. Now that doesn't seem to be the case. Her story contradicts itself. At first it sounds like she may be a part of a 3rd-party faction that is racing to get the diamond before another third party faction does. Now, they can all work together. Sounds fishy.

SNIP

The way I understood this, both when you explained it in your play and when Barb came out later, is that she (or others like her) only needs to get the diamond in her/their hands to win; there was no notion of race (that I recall) seeing that working together would enable them to steal it from one another and consequently they would all win; this leads me to believe we would never find out if/when the diamond changes hand.

Do I get this right? this is so confusing and odd

Yes, skill vs. luck. I thought she was acting odd and I specifically thought her odd behavior meant she was hiding something, so I tricked her into revealing that she has a Night Action. I call is skill. Maybe I'm giving myself too much credit?

SNIP

Extremely lucky IMO, you went fishing and someone bit!! Kudos on your interogation skills if such is the case!!!

SNIP

Lynette took quite a while to reveal her role to me. She eventually said she targeted Scott, but it could be because she actually killed him. She wouldn't say "I'm the killer". She thinks she may have been caught targeting Scott so admits to targeting him, but was actually killing him and not tracking. See how they could both be Scum? Or all three of them?

SNIP

We must as a diligent town put this theory to the test, the "voyage" is still young and we can still afford a mis-lynch; we must test the claim.

If I hear a majority asking for Lynette's name, I'll reveal it.

I think this may be hard to reach this late in the day; from what I can see, 6-7 people have asked for the identity and 3-4 have pretty much comitted to voting for her; this may not guarantee a lynch but at least it'll start the pressure cooker!

[Hinckley]

OK, crap. The argument was distracting me as well.

These people appear to have asked for Lynette's identity:

1.

Of the two trackers, I find Squeaky Lynette the more suspicious. Apparently, she didn't volunteer the information, but admitted it only when challenged.

It is odd that Barbara's tracker got an 'unsuccessful' result on Barbara's action, yes; however, if they were a scum tracker, why then contact Barbara? This story has more of a ring of truth about it.

Of course, we only have Jonathan's and Barbara's word about these.

2.

So why don't you offer her up and we can gage her reaction and hear her explanation? That seems like pretty important info.

3.

Jeez there was a lot to read!!!

Now that I'm caught up and re-read day one as well, I feel confident about voting for whomever Lynette is; However I shall say a few things first:

4.

A and B are my most realistic theories, since they're also the simplest. Of the two, I'm still more partial to 1. We could use the "Day-Investigator" on this tomorrow if no one else can decide, but I think it's best to get rid of the scummiest one, and so far that seems to be "Lynette."

Hey Scummy, your mark-up is weird. ^

5.

Vote: Unspecified Liar Who Is Claiming Tracker (Unknown) (I'm just kidding, obviously. Just thought I'd clear it up before I get accused of being crazy, but just in case I somehow need to:

6.

I've wanted to know the name of Lynette for some time now.

7.

It is interesting though, if it's true, what you said about the person who claimed tracker and that they panicked when you just mentioned that they may have a night action. That does seem suspicious to me. However, since we don't really have any person to point at directly, I will go for either Mary or Alice I think.

That's seven. Maybe more. If 11 people want to hear it, I'll reveal her and let her fend for herself. It is interesting that not more people are asking for her name. Several people have gone really quiet, making me think they're waiting for something...perhaps Lynette's reveal. The conversation in the last few pages has been dominated by all the same people. Taking me and Barbara and our differing views on Mafia tactics and philosophy out of the conversation and you see about the same 5 or 6 people posting only. Very interesting.

Well to me, both Alice and Mary seem suspicious and as you pointed out both are being voted for more or less for the same reasons. It is really strange to say you have feel that someone is scum but then not vote for some time, until Hinckley asked and then suddenly voting and saying that's "exactly what I was going to do". For me Mary seems more scummy to me because of her silence and how she took some time to vote.

Vote: Mary (TheBoyWonder)

Yesterday, you offered us a useless and long analysis. Appeared helpful, but not much substance. Today, you're sticking to the Alice and Mary thing even though much more interesting info is out there to discuss. Ping.

The way I understood this, both when you explained it in your play and when Barb came out later, is that she (or others like her) only needs to get the diamond in her/their hands to win; there was no notion of race (that I recall) seeing that working together would enable them to steal it from one another and consequently they would all win; this leads me to believe we would never find out if/when the diamond changes hand.

Do I get this right? this is so confusing and odd

Yes, it is confusing and odd. Check my quotes again. I quoted one directly from her conversation with Zangara that seems to mention needing to get the diamond first. Now that seems to have changed. She needs to steal it first before them vs. others can steal it back and they all win. While some people thought it was crazy that Bob would make set numbers clues to our affiliation, I find it hard to believe there's that many roles out there that can inadvertently investigate...in addition to our day investigator who may or may not even be blockable.

[Piratedave84]

Is the neutral-thief really an investigative role? The way I see this is that the first steal perfomed would yes in fact reveal a scum but subsequent steals would not amount to anything especially if the neutral-thieves are working together. This of course is all assuming that 1) the role is real 2) there are in fact more than one neutral-thief.

What happens after the diamond was stolen from the scum? Does the scum win condition include being in possession of the diamond? this last question would also imply that the scum have another "role"; the thief which would in turn yield an investigative ability seeing that every time they would re-steal the diamond they would have targeted a neutral player which if this happens a few times would then means they could easily identify the menbers of the town and focus on killing them rather than "loose" kills on neutral entity which as said before would prove to be more help to scum then town, This setup, assuming that everything I wrote is true, would mean we are up against a scum team and a group of not-town-helping neutrals ... WTF is this is the setup, we are ducked!

[The Legonater]

OK, crap. The argument was distracting me as well.

These people appear to have asked for Lynette's identity:

1.

2.

3.

4.

Hey Scummy, your mark-up is weird. ^

5.

6.

7.

You're missing me in that list.

To be perfectly honest, this is all quite confusing. I should hope at least one more name in the light should clear up matters.

[TheBoyWonder]

Give us the name Jonothan, I know I've been playing like a complete idiot, but this so called tracker seems like a more likely suspect than me or Alice.

And for all you guys voting for me, give me some actual questions, and I will answer them. It seems like you want me to read your minds, I gave a defence yesterday, I've asked for myself to be investigated, but no, it seems nothing will clear me to you but my death.

[Scubacarrot]

Okay, I have to stop you there. Asking for investigation, scummy as megabluck. You asking for the tracker's name makes it seem like you want to kill the tracker before you go out. Enough concerns and questions have been raised. It's not our job to put them neatly together. Do some work, find them and answer them yourself.

[Piratedave84]

Seeing that Mary is very close to a lynch and I don't want to be penalized I shall

Vote: Alice (Rumble Strike)

But as stated before, my "real" vote is for whomever Lynette is.

Hum .... the rules state that:

2. Each day will be played out in its own topic. During a day you will be able to vote to lynch a player. Voting must be done in the following format; Vote: Character (Player). Similarly, unvoting is to be done in the format; Unvote: Character (Player). No other format will be accepted. A majority vote is required to lynch a player, meaning that over half of the remaining players must vote for the same player to warrant a lynch.

And

11. Violation of the above rules will result in a 5-vote penalty against you on your first offense, and the death of your character on your second offense. Your character will also die in the most gruesome and awful way possible. I also won't cry.

Bob can you confirm that voting is in fact NOT mandatory and that failure to vote will not result in penalty votes?

[Hinckley]

Give us the name Jonothan, I know I've been playing like a complete idiot, but this so called tracker seems like a more likely suspect than me or Alice.

And for all you guys voting for me, give me some actual questions, and I will answer them. It seems like you want me to read your minds, I gave a defence yesterday, I've asked for myself to be investigated, but no, it seems nothing will clear me to you but my death.

Well, then Legonater is 9 and you're ten, but your request is somewhat biased. Of course you want the other lynch candidate revealed. I'd like to hear from a trusted ally before I continue. I think there's enough call for Lynette's name to reveal it.

The question is, would Mary sacrifice Lynette for herself at this point? If Lynette is lying, she's likely the killer. Why would Scummy Mary want Lynette voted out instead?

And yes, Mary, you have been playing like megablocks.

[Rufus]

Please stop voting for Mary, or this day will end before the discussion is hammered out.

I don't think reaching a majority will end the day, will it?

Rules:

3. A game day will last a maximum of 72 hours. You may not vote in the first 24 hours. The day will end after those 72 hours. After the day has concluded, a night will commence, which will last a maximum of 48 hours. Night actions must be sent to the host in the first 24 hours of nighttime.

Hmm, it isn't clear.

Bob! Will the day end as soon as a majority is reached, or can we overturn a conviction?

[Capt. Redblade]

Well, then Legonater is 9 and you're ten, but your request is somewhat biased. Of course you want the other lynch candidate revealed. I'd like to hear from a trusted ally before I continue. I think there's enough call for Lynette's name to reveal it.

The question is, would Mary sacrifice Lynette for herself at this point? If Lynette is lying, she's likely the killer. Why would Scummy Mary want Lynette voted out instead?

And yes, Mary, you have been playing like megablocks.

I thought I had already asked, but if I haven't, I am now. Call me #11.

[TrumpetKing]

OK, well, we need to vote, and I am not willing to vote for Mary right now. We need to further the discussion s owe can get some stuff clarified, and voting for Mary will not do us any good. As soon as Lynette is revealed, my vote will change, however.

Vote: Alice (Rumble Strike)