TrumpetKing Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I haven't accused everybody, Mary. Calm down. Take some deep breaths. And my accusations are anything but random. I believe that I have given everything reasoning here, and it might not make sense to you, but it does to me. I suppose it would be better to word things in a way that make sense to everyone, but at least I, unlike Michael, know the difference between "loose" and "lose". Lauren, the benefit to the scum would be keeping another scum alive, as I have said, as neutrals typically don't look very town, especially in the form of a Serial Killer. Although, I do suppose you have some points in saying that the scum don't need to care about neutrals, especially that I now see upon further look at the rules, it seems they don't have to do with each other, except according to Barbara, they automatically win if they steal the diamond once. Timothy (Palathadric)- I talked about how Bab's mentioned that I was asking who the other tacker was yesterday, in case Pierre was scum or Barbara died. I can see why the scum would want neutrals gone, because they don't want the damn diamond stolen! Unless they get it back when the neutral dies. I never once said that revealing the name of the other Master Criminal would make a valuable townie unsafe. I said keeping the name of the tracker secret would help keep a valuable townie safe. Lauren's reason for wanting the name was "you know, just in case". How is that a reason???? And I believe if a scum killer loses their godfather, the action gets passed down? I might just be thinking of EB mafia, where Shadows got badboy's role because he had a special inheriting role after badboy died. That's where my thoughts were coming from. Metagaming that is actually most likely wrong. Do I need to say it again, people??? I know I'm getting defensive here, but neutrals can help the scum!!! I don't mean literally, because a neutral won't go up to the scum and say: "Hey, you wanna work together and be in an alliance?" ! The help is unintentional! The death of a neutral would allow the scum to remain at a steady number, and in most cases where neutrals are SK's, the scum can worry less about the death of one of their own.
Palathadric Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 If the pictures are anything to go by though, and it's true that Matthew was the vig, which I suppose is a possibility, then it seems to me that the neck-snapper who killed Matthew and Paul is the SK and Pierre, was the one who killed CM and the one from today had a different weapon because the scum killer was changed due to Pierre dying. Now enough random picture speculation.
Rumble Strike Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 ]As it is, I looked for it on Alice, she didn't have it, which somewhat clears her (remember, I'm not an investigator). The tracker looked in on Mary, and she didn't target anyone, which mostly clears her. There you go town, two suspects (one of Jonathan's, I might add), have been shown to be merely lazy, and not scummy. I may have more info if/when the other Master Criminal shares their results with me. Thanks for revealing this, Babs. It should take the suspicion off of me and Mary and on to other people, such as Michael, who as Bristol said, has been very quiet so far this trip and doesn't make a lot of sense when he dies say something.
TrumpetKing Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Also, I believe other people here have said neutrals help the town more, but they can say it without being scrutinized? Is that really fair? At all? I don't think so. At this point, I don't think I should be lynched. I think others are more scummy, and Barbara said that she has heard things that clear me, but if you feel that I'm some sort of "dead weight" to the town, then you can lynch me. There won't be any hard feelings at all, and things have apparently came up to clear me. I might not agree with you, but if you feel the need to get rid of me, then go ahead.
def Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Kills get passed along with scum. Other roles shouldn't, but they sometimes do. That should only be in the case that town roles are passed along too. But really, only the scum kill should be passed along.
Palathadric Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Timothy (Palathadric)- I talked about how Bab's mentioned that I was asking who the other tacker was yesterday, in case Pierre was scum or Barbara died. I can see why the scum would want neutrals gone, because they don't want the damn diamond stolen! Unless they get it back when the neutral dies. I never once said that revealing the name of the other Master Criminal would make a valuable townie unsafe. I said keeping the name of the tracker secret would help keep a valuable townie safe. Lauren's reason for wanting the name was "you know, just in case". How is that a reason???? And I believe if a scum killer loses their godfather, the action gets passed down? I might just be thinking of EB mafia, where Shadows got badboy's role because he had a special inheriting role after badboy died. That's where my thoughts were coming from. Metagaming that is actually most likely wrong. Do I need to say it again, people??? I know I'm getting defensive here, but neutrals can help the scum!!! I don't mean literally, because a neutral won't go up to the scum and say: "Hey, you wanna work together and be in an alliance?" ! The help is unintentional! The death of a neutral would allow the scum to remain at a steady number, and in most cases where neutrals are SK's, the scum can worry less about the death of one of their own. Ah, I misunderstood what you were saying and thought you brought up a random situation from your past and then moved on and continued talking about Lauren. Lauren wanted the name so that it would help us to close down on the scum and therefore benefit both town and neutral alike. it's not a great reason, but frankly I don't think the Master Criminals getting killed would really make much of a difference to the scum. They need to get as many people out of the way as possible whether they are town or neutral. Also, I believe Shadows was a cultist in the game mentioned and not scum which was why the godfather role was passed down.
TrumpetKing Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 No, he was scum. I played in it, and ended up getting killed in the conclusion. By him and the other scum members. And what you just stated was another scum-benefiting aspect of the neutrals. The scum need to get as many people out to win, and killing neutrals just helps, though you could say that any town or neutral death is beneficial. A name isn't needed if somebody can just report the tracker's results.
Palathadric Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I don't believe the tracker and the other Master Criminal are the same thing, Diane, and as far as I can tell no one has asked for the name of the tracker recently, but I've had enough of this pointless matter.
TrumpetKing Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 *Sigh* I asked yesterday when I was talking to Barbara to tell somebody he trusted who the tracker was. It was discussed yesterday in thread. I never said at all that the tracker and the other Master Crimnal were the same. You may be getting things confused I did say that I don't want to know who the tracker was anymore, but before that I said that I presumed after Lauren asked that Barbara said she didn't want to give any information, that that included the person's name. I was talking about two separate people.
def Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Scum need to outnumber town. Neutrals have zero connection to that.
Palathadric Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 You're pretty distracting yourself, you're trying to paint Jonathon as someone he isn't, subtlety planting the idea he is acting irrationally and manic. Quite the manipulation, while remaining calm yourself. As Jonathon has asked, but in my own words now, what makes you holier than thou? Nothing wrong with playing aggressively, your passive aggressive behavior is pretty good. And no, you didn't reply to everyone right away. You were not answering Jonathons' questions early on, he had to keep pestering you, and in retaliation you started pushing the angle that he is acting manic and aggressive. Participating huh? I don't know much about that, I never post at all, everyone else makes sure to post a lot. In fact, some people like to post nothing of substance and use their status to ride out and opposition they may receive. I wonder who that is? Vote: Alice (Rumble Strike) Alice hasn't changed my opinion of her. Anyone forgetting about the bandwagon that very quickly formed against Mary? Who started that one? Babs (def) and Phil (Rufus) And, damn, folks this is the kind of thing Jonathon always seems to do. Why is his acting so strange this game? Can someone please explain this to me, in the simplest way possible please. >inb4 being called a idiot. I typed it up oddly. I don't think you're strange at all. You seem yourself. >inb4 is 4chan internet lingo. You wouldn't like it. You must new to these games of life, it's a common tactic and doesn't signify much. Unvote: Mary (BoyWonder) Vote: Pierre (CallMePie) woops, wrong quote unvote: Alice (Rumble Strike) Vote: Pierre (CallmePie) I found Holly a bit odd all throughout yesterday. She seemed to be buddying up to and trying to defend Jonathon for no real reason. She was the last to switch her vote for Pierre and did so at a time when there was no real reason to do so. Furthermore she has said nothing really helpful. Maybe it's just me. There is also Michael who we all know well and then of course Betty who has added almost nothing at all. You complained that Lauren was asking for the name of the Master Criminal and then said that we didn't need to know the tracker's name if we just got his results. Nobody asked for the trackers name today, so I don't think there is any reason for you or I to go on with arguing about it.
TrumpetKing Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 The thing with Holly, is that she voted for Pierre so late. Unless the scum had lost hope upon Pierre, I can';t see why they'd want to be the last person to vote for their own, other than to appear town. But still, at the expense of one of their own? That doesn't make sense to me, even if the person was that close to a lynch.
TheBoyWonder Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 There were others who could of voted for Pierre. At that time, at least one scum would of been late to the bandwagon.
TrumpetKing Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Why would the scum hop on a bandwagon of their own? I've seen it happen where they voted for them at the beginning, then took their votes back, but never have I seen scum vote for their own as the final vote needed for a lynch.
Rumble Strike Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 At that point they could see the writing was on the wall.
Rufus Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 By my count, Holly was the 13th person to vote for Pierre, with George being the hammer vote on 11 and Jonathan on 12. Holly's vote was rather rushed. There were a flurry of votes towards the end. I had noticed Holly lurking a lot, reading the thread but not posting. That sort of thing is fine if a detailed analysis comes of it, but I've yet to see that from Holly. I noticed she was very defensive of Jonathan. Other than to make both of them look a little scummy at the time, I don't know what to make of that, since Jonathan was Innocent.
TrumpetKing Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 You say that as if I hadn't mentioned it. I don't understand why scum would just give up hope like that. Yes, they were that close to a lynch of their own, but I don't think they would have given up. Although, anything that had come up after the bandwagon became extremely heavy would have seemed scummy, so there is a point there.
def Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Better scum will just stick with their vote, for better or worse, since it's harder to analyze. Less skilled scum will join the bandwagon to appear town. And, some sheepish town will join the bandwagon after the vote is locked just because they like being part of a group. ~~~~~~ I can just picture Jonathan now, up in heaven, screaming at you through his computer to lynch me *\(^o^)/* (can't do proper emoticons on the phone)（≧∇≦）
Captain Genaro Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 You say that as if I hadn't mentioned it. I don't understand why scum would just give up hope like that. Yes, they were that close to a lynch of their own, but I don't think they would have given up. Although, anything that had come up after the bandwagon became extremely heavy would have seemed scummy, so there is a point there. My guess is that we will find scum in the following two positions. First, there would have been the scum who voted early on for Pierre, such as Paul. They might not have expected the bandwagon to gather enough support to lynch Pierre and were hoping that they could use the defense " I was one of the first to vote for a scum" if they were ever accused. There could also be scum towards the end of the lynching process. They probably saw the direction that the lynch was going and wanted to be one of the final votes. They knew Pierre would by lynched and they want to look good by having one of the convicting votes. With 13 votes, 3 people would have had to change their votes to save Pierre. If 3 scum had voted for Pierre, they were in a position where they could not change their votes, it would look too suspicious. This is all just a guess. I'm going to spend some time reviewing what Holly said yesterday. I think that it's strange for Holly to have been defensive of Jonathan but waited so long to have voted for Pierre. If she trusted Jonathan why didn't see help him attempt to get Pierre lynched? Unless I'm mistaking, she also did not really voice any defense for Pierre. Sorry if this is a bit rushed. I really need to be somewhere and don't have time to polish my thoughts.
Nightshroud99 Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 By my count, Holly was the 13th person to vote for Pierre, with George being the hammer vote on 11 and Jonathan on 12. Holly's vote was rather rushed. There were a flurry of votes towards the end. I had noticed Holly lurking a lot, reading the thread but not posting. That sort of thing is fine if a detailed analysis comes of it, but I've yet to see that from Holly. I noticed she was very defensive of Jonathan. Other than to make both of them look a little scummy at the time, I don't know what to make of that, since Jonathan was Innocent. I was defensive of him because I could tell he was innocent and just playing like how he does. I didn't really pay attention to my timing; I voted for Pierre so I could lynch him. I don't do synopsis of the day, scum do that, I never see any point and skim over them when people do. That's all I will say for now, I am now trying to find out who is a real townie. Unfortunately Jonathon is dead. If he wasn't there would be a strong development right now because he knows how to lead the town and I, sadly, do not have that sort of charisma.
Palathadric Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 I noticed she was very defensive of Jonathan. Other than to make both of them look a little scummy at the time, I don't know what to make of that, since Jonathan was Innocent. It's possible that she was trying to "buddy up" to Jonathon, in order to appear innocent like him, or something. Or to make him appear to be scum if we were to lynch her. These both would seem to me, though, to be only something that less skilled scum would do, as Babs said, so I'm not sure. I don't think I'd put it beyond Holly though. I can just picture Jonathan now, up in heaven, screaming at you through his computer to lynch me *\(^o^)/* (can't do proper emoticons on the phone)（≧∇≦） Interesting that you say that because Jonathon did say, before he died that we should lynch you. However, he said that if you didn't kill Scott, then likely someone is trying to frame you. Oddly, it almost didn't seem like he thought Pierre would come up as scum.
def Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Oh, I know what Jonathan wrote, and it's all part of his bad playing. He was so over-confident, narcissistic, and still paranoid, that he hurts town as much as he helps. Why was I suspicious? Because I thought he was suspicious. Ironic that he accused me of thinking I was above suspicion. It's good that I claimed my role publicly rather than let him control my personal information. If I'd placed trust in his plays yesterday, all town would know was that he thought I could be lying and actually the SK, and his dying message that I killed him... When actually, I helped lynch Pierre and have helped clear a few townies today. Why, one might think Jonathan was a bull-headed cock! Let this be a lesson to you all in the future: when you put your life in his hands, you may be a casualty of him crazy whims... so people, don't go confess your biznez to him on day one! ☆〜（ゝ。∂） Anyway, the other master criminal cleared Lauren last night. We will have to start being more cautious of these MC clears until we know that there are no more MC, but, statistically, Lauren should be town. Again, if there are any other Master Criminals out there, get in touch with me! We can get the diamond sooner, share it, and we all can win! Ask the host! You only need it one night! Work with us!
Palathadric Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Well, that's good news. If the Master Criminal's results are actually indications of a person's scumminess (and as of yet we have no reason to believe that they aren't) then that could turn out pretty well for us because it's almost like having two investigators.
Scubacarrot Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Sorry if this has been said before, but who did the other master criminal target on night one?
def Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 They targeted Dianne and were unsuccessful. So, it looks like Dianne, Lauren, Mary, and Alice are not scum. They could be the SK, but they are probably not scum. Plus the tracker, and the claimed day investigator and their day two target, and my MC, and me... Looks like half the group is clear. This is about the point the the scum start pooping their pants. If you're not part of those nine above, you need to get active, and make yourself part of the town... But really, what do I care, I'm neutral ☆*:.｡. o(≧▽≦)o .｡.:*☆
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